City Council & Public Hearing 7/14/25

City of Kenton

Watch City Council & Public Hearing 7/14/25 - City of Kenton on Dailymotion

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00:00:00Welcome everyone just want to call to order since it is 7 o'clock the public

00:00:16hearing that was announced over 30 days ago and I will turn it over to John if

00:00:22he wants to yes the highlights sure so this the there was the application to

00:00:32rezone 222 West Carroll Street from it basically it reverted again to a

00:00:39residential zone when it ceased to use for school purposes okay so the request

00:00:46is to have that reason to be one which is the neighborhood business district which

00:00:51is again more in line with its use right now as administrative or office use so

00:00:57there's really no proposed change the neighborhood business district does not

00:01:03allow like service station things of that nature it's more restrictive and use so

00:01:09this is really our second hearing we had the hearing before Planning Commission as

00:01:14you'll see in your packet and the minutes it was unanimously recommended by the

00:01:19Planning Commission for approval so we're now here for the second hearing I know

00:01:25we have a representative of the county who has potentially an interest in the

00:01:30property again working with Brad on the filing of the application so I guess does

00:01:37any we can accept any kind of comments from the public including yourself for

00:01:42anyone for or against the application

00:01:47anyone has any comments one last time it's not an auctioneer but yeah

00:02:00I think we should I was going to have them do I think it would be fine during the public hearing if there are no objections we have a motion in support of the

00:02:18fine well there's only commission yeah we probably just ought to do that council no

00:02:35we can do third one new business this is really yes the hearing yeah we'll do it no

00:02:39business yep so we can do that here sure that's true we haven't convened council so a new business I'll bring that up and

00:02:47and then you'll be on David so there's oh I I offered it up and right somebody else

00:02:58could do it you lost your chance I know okay if there are no objections then you

00:03:05will adjourn the public hearing all right unless someone needs a break after that long

00:03:13meeting I call to order city council meeting this evening welcome everyone to

00:03:21the 13th regular session we will begin this evening with roll call

00:03:27president

00:03:28president

00:03:29president

00:03:31president

00:03:33president

00:03:35president

00:03:37president

00:03:39president

00:03:42here

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00:03:46and you with me I'd ask all her able to please stand for the prayer and then

00:03:51please

00:03:53father I pray today for our city employees and officials

00:03:57I pray for these people to lead them through your wise counsel and guidance

00:04:02I pray for them to lay aside selfish desire and petty grievances instead focusing always on

00:04:08the best interests of the people may they lead through humility and with love and unity

00:04:14lord keep our leaders grounded in what is good and true protecting them from the temptations and

00:04:20distractions of power and influence may they know and follow you leading through faith ever working for

00:04:28the good of the people they serve amen

00:04:32I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god

00:04:42indivisible with liberty and justice for all

00:04:50once again welcome everyone

00:04:52we'll move right along here

00:04:56the previous minutes are there any additions or corrections

00:05:00to those minutes

00:05:06hearing none

00:05:08they'll stand approved to submit it

00:05:12don't have much of a crowd tonight

00:05:14but

00:05:16I'm going to go ahead and try to set the stage

00:05:18anyway

00:05:20citizens requesting time to speak

00:05:24indulge me here a minute

00:05:26just a reminder

00:05:28citizens requesting time to speak is a time when

00:05:30individuals

00:05:32whether they be groups

00:05:34representing or individuals representing a group

00:05:36individuals themselves

00:05:38residents

00:05:40non-residents that have work in the city

00:05:42can get on the agenda

00:05:44and be a part of the agenda

00:05:46and

00:05:48we also later in the meeting

00:05:50in the meeting

00:05:52have what we call

00:05:54comments from the public

00:05:56that is where folks

00:05:58do not have to be on the agenda

00:06:00and can speak to the public

00:06:02this is not something I'm going to read at every meeting

00:06:04but I want to read it once

00:06:06and we may make it a part of our agenda

00:06:08in the future

00:06:10citizens requesting time to speak

00:06:12and later in the evening

00:06:14comments from the public are specifically designated

00:06:16for the public to address council

00:06:18and the administration

00:06:20with their concerns

00:06:21compliments

00:06:22and or other questions

00:06:24we welcome and encourage your participation

00:06:26if you wish to speak at a council meeting

00:06:28please keep the following in mind

00:06:30your comments should be factual

00:06:32and respectful

00:06:34of the rights of others

00:06:36before speaking at a council meeting

00:06:38with a specific problem

00:06:40you should have to first address the problem

00:06:42with the appropriate department

00:06:44staff member or the administration

00:06:46or your council member

00:06:48speakers will be limited

00:06:50to a maximum of five minutes

00:06:52noting that council members

00:06:54and the administration

00:06:56may ask for more time

00:06:58if they have questions

00:06:59or desire more details

00:07:00let me let me clarify

00:07:02a little bit there

00:07:04we're not going to have a clock

00:07:05up on the wall

00:07:06that counts down five minutes

00:07:07I am going to pay attention though

00:07:10to that

00:07:12if someone goes along over five minutes

00:07:15I'm going to mention

00:07:16hey you've passed five minutes

00:07:18at the same time

00:07:19we're going to try not to ask speakers questions

00:07:22we're going to give them their five minutes

00:07:24when they're done

00:07:26or at the end of that five minutes

00:07:27council wants to hear a little bit more

00:07:30these seven council members

00:07:32are never afraid to say

00:07:33hey Joel

00:07:34I want to hear more

00:07:36I think we have a pretty good open relationship

00:07:39you guys are going to tell me

00:07:40if you want to know more

00:07:41we'll ask that

00:07:42no one wants to know more

00:07:44and five minutes is eclipsed

00:07:46we're going to ask them to stop

00:07:49until council wants it different than that

00:07:52council will tell me

00:07:53fair enough

00:07:59please address council of the administration as a whole

00:08:02explain your point

00:08:03use your time wisely

00:08:05council and the administration will ask questions

00:08:07if they have any

00:08:08after you're finished

00:08:09rude

00:08:10disruptive

00:08:11or inappropriate behavior

00:08:12will not be tolerated

00:08:14any person exhibiting such behavior

00:08:17will be asked to leave

00:08:19and anytime

00:08:20chief minister is usually here

00:08:21or there is an officer

00:08:22at most

00:08:23right downstairs

00:08:24for a few meetings

00:08:28I may read this

00:08:29but I think we'll make it part of the agenda

00:08:30one thing I'm going to add

00:08:32and I will go ahead and take care of that now

00:08:35as we introduce any legislative item

00:08:42before we ask

00:08:44I ask for a motion

00:08:46I will

00:08:47and I tend to do this from time to time

00:08:49ask if there's anyone here to speak on that agenda item

00:08:53in first, second, third readings

00:08:56I will ask

00:08:57is anyone here to speak on that item

00:08:59if there is someone

00:09:00we'll give them three minutes to talk

00:09:02I know that sounds like a long time

00:09:04but we're setting some

00:09:05some rules here

00:09:06so

00:09:07wanted to

00:09:08have a little give and take

00:09:09so we will give anyone an opportunity to speak

00:09:12sitting out there

00:09:13doesn't have

00:09:14isn't on the agenda

00:09:15to a particular item

00:09:16if that's why they came here

00:09:18that also should help prevent

00:09:20a whole bunch of people

00:09:21from wanting to speak at the end

00:09:23when everything's already done

00:09:26so

00:09:27with that

00:09:29I see we have no one on the agenda

00:09:31so as always

00:09:32there will be time to speak

00:09:33in

00:09:34later on

00:09:35in comments from the public

00:09:36and council

00:09:38tweak this as we go

00:09:41ok

00:09:45communications

00:09:48we have

00:09:49the Chamber of Business Alliance

00:09:51July Economic Development Report

00:09:52development report

00:09:53in your packet

00:09:54I do have

00:09:55no

00:09:56I don't have any other communications

00:09:57anyone else

00:09:58they have no petitions

00:10:02that I'm aware of at this time

00:10:04so

00:10:05we're on to administrative reports

00:10:07Chief Musser

00:10:08thank you

00:10:15thank you

00:10:17I'm good

00:10:18Chief Donnelly

00:10:19yeah

00:10:23just want to let you know

00:10:27we did get the pickup truck back

00:10:29so

00:10:30if you haven't seen it around town

00:10:31I'm sure you will at some point

00:10:32so

00:10:33it's got all the lights and graphics done on it

00:10:35finally

00:10:36so

00:10:37it's out in battle

00:10:38but with that

00:10:40ladder truck is not being in service right now

00:10:41so it's out of service here for

00:10:43time being

00:10:44fixing some stuff that didn't

00:10:47from last year's

00:10:48aerial inspection

00:10:49and

00:10:50found a few new items this year on

00:10:52ladder test

00:10:53so

00:10:54hopefully I can get all that taken care of and stuff

00:10:56but

00:10:57it's kind of one of those to be expected

00:10:59I mean

00:11:00when

00:11:01trucks are getting that old

00:11:02there's just always that wear and tear and stuff

00:11:05and

00:11:06so

00:11:07got that going on

00:11:08but

00:11:09like I said

00:11:10got swimming going on tomorrow night

00:11:11so

00:11:12just

00:11:13and

00:11:14it's

00:11:15not us against PD

00:11:16or that

00:11:17it's

00:11:18all of us adults against the kids

00:11:19I guess tomorrow

00:11:20so

00:11:21we'll see how that works out for us

00:11:24you guys are going to get smoked

00:11:25all right

00:11:29thanks Bruce

00:11:30um

00:11:31economic development

00:11:34anything you'd like to talk about

00:11:35we did have a

00:11:36housing coalition

00:11:37meeting

00:11:39so

00:11:40Holly and several others

00:11:41have put together

00:11:43from

00:11:44the county side

00:11:46some banking people

00:11:47that

00:11:48entertain some developers

00:11:50just kind of getting us

00:11:53ready

00:11:54ready

00:11:55and what they need

00:11:56and

00:11:57what they're looking for

00:11:58as far as property

00:12:00and

00:12:01we do have some realtors

00:12:02involved in that

00:12:03so

00:12:04I'll keep everybody up to date

00:12:05as

00:12:06we keep

00:12:07looking for that

00:12:08we know that's

00:12:09a big need

00:12:11okay

00:12:14any questions for Lynn

00:12:17all right

00:12:18we'll go on to income tax

00:12:19I don't think there's a report there

00:12:21so auditor

00:12:22Daryl anything you want to talk about

00:12:25all right

00:12:26now we'll go to Christy

00:12:27where

00:12:28that's who really matters

00:12:29Christy any I know you got your report

00:12:33um

00:12:34monthly report

00:12:35to the city auditor

00:12:36and the treasurer

00:12:37or to the mayor

00:12:38from the city auditor

00:12:39and the treasurer

00:12:41and you had all your reports

00:12:43received via email

00:12:45any questions on those for Christy

00:12:48okay

00:12:51we'll move on

00:12:54treasurer

00:12:55law director

00:12:56John

00:12:57nothing at this time

00:12:58safety service

00:13:00director

00:13:01nothing

00:13:02Lynn

00:13:03mayor

00:13:04nothing

00:13:05okay

00:13:06reports

00:13:07uh

00:13:08standing committees

00:13:09and scheduling of them

00:13:10finances

00:13:11report in your packet

00:13:12anything you want to add

00:13:13no sir

00:13:14Mr. Chairman

00:13:15nothing scheduled right now

00:13:16no sir

00:13:17management

00:13:19organization

00:13:20and personnel

00:13:21affectionately known as

00:13:22MOP

00:13:25nothing

00:13:26on MOP

00:13:27comment

00:13:28part of

00:13:29okay

00:13:30public utilities

00:13:3116th

00:13:32I guess

00:13:33at 3.30

00:13:34streets

00:13:36alley

00:13:37sidewalks

00:13:38anything

00:13:39on July 30th

00:13:40at 3.30

00:13:42and legislation

00:13:43codes

00:13:44and regulations

00:13:495.30

00:13:50at 4.30

00:13:51okay

00:13:52maybe we can

00:13:55change those to

00:13:57pew

00:13:58sas

00:13:59and I don't know what else we are

00:14:02with

00:14:03okay

00:14:04anyway

00:14:05at least one person left

00:14:07again

00:14:11remind council members

00:14:12if you have time to go to

00:14:13any of the other

00:14:14committee meetings you're not on

00:14:16you're encouraged to do so

00:14:17reports from council members

00:14:19regional planning

00:14:20there was no July meeting

00:14:22parks and rec board

00:14:23that would be

00:14:24she's not here

00:14:26Grove Cemetery board

00:14:27we did approve a

00:14:29company to come in and do the roof on the chapel

00:14:32and they're going to do a few other things along with it too

00:14:34so

00:14:35they should be starting

00:14:37hopefully

00:14:38within the next couple months

00:14:40so

00:14:41alright

00:14:42tree commission

00:14:43yeah

00:14:44they meet the 23rd

00:14:45at 5.30

00:14:46at the

00:14:47Mary Lou Johnson library

00:14:48alright

00:14:50then BKP is

00:14:51we've got a meeting next week

00:14:54I would comment that

00:14:56might be looking

00:14:58hopefully not before the end

00:15:01but I would

00:15:02BKP

00:15:03not that any board isn't

00:15:04but it's

00:15:05pretty important

00:15:06representation

00:15:08might be looking for someone else to

00:15:10serve on that committee

00:15:12at some point

00:15:13mostly just because of a timing issue

00:15:15it's the third Monday of the month

00:15:18at 6

00:15:21I would just throw that out there

00:15:23that we might be

00:15:24needing that at some point here

00:15:27um

00:15:29whole business

00:15:33we put under old business the whole charter discussion

00:15:38and

00:15:39um

00:15:40I told Whitney

00:15:41tonight's meeting there would be a few parts that are a little bit clunky

00:15:44because you know we have an item under second reading

00:15:49that is

00:15:51was

00:15:52we've read once already

00:15:54the initial charter legislation

00:15:56and that was John doing what he could do to get it there in time

00:16:00so we've read it once

00:16:02there is now

00:16:03both a new version

00:16:06an amendment to it

00:16:07an amendment to it

00:16:08is really what we're calling

00:16:09and

00:16:10so you had the whole picture

00:16:12you got a copy in your packet of the red line

00:16:17version of John's

00:16:18and how that amendment got to where it is

00:16:21so we're treating that

00:16:22as an amendment

00:16:24if

00:16:25the six of you are here

00:16:27are okay with that

00:16:28that's why

00:16:29I had us put it in here

00:16:31in old business

00:16:32I don't know if Chad wants to lead this

00:16:34or John

00:16:35we have three items

00:16:37that I think we ought to discuss

00:16:39and then

00:16:41the reading

00:16:42the ordinance is still under the second reading

00:16:45and we could amend it at that time

00:16:47I think would be appropriate

00:16:48so

00:16:49I'll go ahead and tackle like the

00:16:51the charter projected fee

00:16:53based off kind of our last meeting

00:16:55you know

00:16:56you know

00:16:57where John

00:16:58you know suggested we

00:16:59ask

00:17:00Bricker Graydon to

00:17:01evaluate

00:17:02the legislation

00:17:03he'd drawn up

00:17:05I'd also asked him for a projected fee

00:17:09like I said

00:17:10I knew at one time

00:17:11what they had said

00:17:12but it was ballpark

00:17:13so I

00:17:14I asked him in the context of

00:17:16basically holding our hand

00:17:18from beginning to end

00:17:20so

00:17:21in the essence of high dollar end stuff

00:17:26the quote come back about

00:17:28it's going to be between 45 and 55

00:17:3155 being the high end

00:17:33if we have

00:17:35if we use them less

00:17:36obviously it's going to be less

00:17:38but the

00:17:39my approach was

00:17:40to ask them to give me a quote

00:17:43on basically holding our hand

00:17:46from beginning to end

00:17:48John you know

00:17:49kind of acknowledges

00:17:50his limited knowledge on it

00:17:51so

00:17:53it's

00:17:54that was my approach

00:17:55so

00:17:5650 to 55 is where they're at

00:17:59and that's for a year of service

00:18:00basically

00:18:02obviously

00:18:03I know it's a lot of money

00:18:04but we would see a lot of return

00:18:06on our investment in the future

00:18:08for sure just

00:18:09I feel with the charter

00:18:12on

00:18:13things we would be able to do

00:18:14a lot more efficiently

00:18:16so

00:18:18the engagement letter

00:18:19I believe they sent that

00:18:20to John as well

00:18:23I believe he would sign that

00:18:25with

00:18:26you know if we never used him

00:18:27if

00:18:28charter never got off the ground

00:18:29obviously we wouldn't have a bill

00:18:32I think it's kind of

00:18:33just along the lines of

00:18:34formality that say

00:18:35hey if we

00:18:36we move forward

00:18:37obviously we're going to discuss this

00:18:40on second read tonight

00:18:42ultimately

00:18:43we're just going to ask

00:18:45the second read

00:18:46would be

00:18:47allowing the public

00:18:49to decide

00:18:50if they want to form a charter

00:18:52it's not council deciding

00:18:54it's council deciding

00:18:55to give public the opportunity

00:18:58to form a charter

00:18:59so

00:19:01and then the revisions

00:19:02like you said

00:19:03there was red lines on it

00:19:04on what they felt

00:19:07kind of bullet proof

00:19:09anything as far as

00:19:10the board of elections

00:19:11or with the state of Ohio

00:19:12that would

00:19:17make it

00:19:19effective I guess

00:19:20am I missing anything on this John?

00:19:22No

00:19:23the way it was explained to me

00:19:26was

00:19:28a lot of steps in here

00:19:29but assuming for example

00:19:31council did move forward with this

00:19:33in the next couple meetings

00:19:35and

00:19:37the

00:19:38electorate

00:19:39did agree to

00:19:40or did

00:19:42move forward

00:19:43did their part

00:19:45my understanding

00:19:46the way Bricker

00:19:48laid this out

00:19:49at your

00:19:50at your request

00:19:51Chad

00:19:52is this would be pretty much turnkey

00:19:53was the

00:19:55the phrase I use

00:19:56and that's what Emma said

00:19:59for the charter

00:20:00for the charter

00:20:01yeah

00:20:02yeah

00:20:03now what's

00:20:04not addressed is

00:20:05then going back and working

00:20:06through our codified

00:20:07correct

00:20:08which

00:20:09basically it take a third of that book

00:20:11and you throw it away

00:20:12so that

00:20:14will take a considerable amount of work

00:20:16which

00:20:19certain components

00:20:20because again

00:20:22there's no

00:20:24book of law on

00:20:26what

00:20:27specifically

00:20:28a charter can do

00:20:29you're all

00:20:30within

00:20:31the bounds of

00:20:32what has been done

00:20:33what hasn't

00:20:34court cases

00:20:35things of that nature

00:20:36so there's a lot of

00:20:37knowledge

00:20:38when you go to change

00:20:39in the codified

00:20:40but

00:20:41you know

00:20:42obviously we have

00:20:43two elections

00:20:44before we're at that point

00:20:45right

00:20:46two ballot issues

00:20:47that would both have to pass

00:20:48I feel

00:20:49I feel like the codifies

00:20:50and the ordinance

00:20:51are a part of this piece of

00:20:53piece of the puzzle

00:20:54as far as

00:20:56if we were to implement a charter

00:20:58we've

00:20:59we've had many legislation

00:21:01come our way where

00:21:02the codifies

00:21:03and the ordinances was

00:21:04one was from 1968

00:21:06I mean

00:21:07better than 50 going on 60 years old

00:21:10so

00:21:11it's even an opportunity

00:21:14to update things

00:21:15that should have been updated

00:21:16long before now

00:21:17I mean it's

00:21:18it's the same as with

00:21:20what's going on

00:21:21on Detroit street

00:21:22that's

00:21:23obviously a pain

00:21:24for everybody

00:21:25but it's things that should have been

00:21:26done 20-30 years ago

00:21:28we're talking about the same thing

00:21:29in essence with our government

00:21:31we

00:21:32these are things that we need

00:21:33to be proactive about

00:21:35and forward thinking about

00:21:36as a council

00:21:37and not keep kicking the can down the road

00:21:40and

00:21:41get these things up to date

00:21:43and get

00:21:44within the times

00:21:46it's

00:21:47that's just my opinion on

00:21:49as far as all

00:21:50the codifies and the ordinances

00:21:51I know

00:21:52would be a lot of work for you

00:21:53but

00:21:54it's definitely a piece of the puzzle

00:21:56that needs to be addressed

00:21:58as well as

00:22:00other things

00:22:01I mean

00:22:02there's so many other things

00:22:04within

00:22:05government

00:22:06anybody I've talked to

00:22:08is just amazed about

00:22:11the things they may not know

00:22:12that

00:22:14it takes to run the government

00:22:16so

00:22:17I know I've learned a lot

00:22:18in just my year and a half

00:22:19I'm sure everybody up here has

00:22:21it

00:22:22it's a big undertaking

00:22:23and

00:22:24I don't feel like

00:22:25probably any of us

00:22:26really believe that

00:22:28the government runs as efficient

00:22:29as efficiently as it could

00:22:32so

00:22:33this is an opportunity to give

00:22:35the community a chance

00:22:36to create their government

00:22:37and make it

00:22:38as efficient as they

00:22:39feel like it could be

00:22:40so

00:22:41I have talked to a dozen

00:22:43so people that

00:22:45I won't mention anybody's name

00:22:47because I don't want to

00:22:48commit them to it

00:22:49but I've

00:22:50had a dozen people that

00:22:51are quality individuals

00:22:53in our community

00:22:54that want to be a part of the commission

00:22:56and feel like they can contribute

00:22:59in a

00:23:00way that would

00:23:02benefit all of us

00:23:03so

00:23:04I kind of

00:23:05was saving some of that

00:23:06for my

00:23:07second read part

00:23:08but

00:23:09it is

00:23:10it's all part of the conversation

00:23:11so

00:23:13okay

00:23:14so

00:23:15you have

00:23:16the

00:23:17potential

00:23:19guess at the cost

00:23:21you have

00:23:23a copy of the engagement

00:23:24letter

00:23:25and

00:23:26you have

00:23:27a copy of

00:23:28the

00:23:29new

00:23:30ordinance

00:23:31the

00:23:33proposed

00:23:34amendment

00:23:35to the ordinance

00:23:36and the red line copy

00:23:37so

00:23:38when we get to

00:23:39second read

00:23:40we can take more time

00:23:41and talk

00:23:42all we're going to do is

00:23:43ask two things

00:23:44number one

00:23:45does anyone want to move

00:23:46that be amended

00:23:47as stated

00:23:48or

00:23:50any additional correct differences

00:23:52and number two

00:23:53then

00:23:54anyone object to

00:23:55reading it a third time

00:23:59good enough

00:24:00for now

00:24:03okay

00:24:09new business

00:24:11um

00:24:12first off

00:24:13we just had a public hearing

00:24:15which no one spoke

00:24:17and

00:24:18no objection

00:24:19to the proposed

00:24:20changes

00:24:21to

00:24:22that particular

00:24:23address

00:24:24so does any council member

00:24:25want to

00:24:27also move for council to

00:24:29be in favor of that change

00:24:31as stated

00:24:33so moved

00:24:34Mr. President

00:24:35seconded

00:24:36thank you David

00:24:37was that Chad

00:24:38any discussion

00:24:44Sue Foxbroker

00:24:45yes

00:24:46David Beasley

00:24:47yes

00:24:48Steve Walter

00:24:49yes

00:24:50Chad Miller

00:24:51yes

00:24:52Peg Grant

00:24:53yes

00:24:54Honda Tudor

00:24:55yes

00:24:56passes 6-0

00:24:57so

00:24:58and I'll have to have formal legislation

00:24:59then we'll have legislation in two weeks

00:25:01and

00:25:03and

00:25:04and

00:25:05and

00:25:06and

00:25:07and

00:25:08and

00:25:09and

00:25:10all right

00:25:11um

00:25:12secondly

00:25:13under new business

00:25:14uh

00:25:15Robin

00:25:16did call me

00:25:17really wanted to be here tonight

00:25:18but

00:25:19really is under the weather

00:25:21uh

00:25:22anyone want to move a motion to excuse her

00:25:24so moved

00:25:25thanks Sue

00:25:26seconded

00:25:27and sorry I should have warned you

00:25:28and that was

00:25:29uh

00:25:30Peg

00:25:31thanks Sue and Peg

00:25:32uh any discussion

00:25:34okay

00:25:35go ahead

00:25:36David Beasley

00:25:40yes

00:25:43Steve Walter

00:25:44yes

00:25:45Chad Miller

00:25:46yes

00:25:47Payne Grant

00:25:48yes

00:25:49and Sue Fox

00:25:51yes

00:25:52what the terror on your face was worth it

00:25:56thank you everybody

00:25:58that's

00:25:59Robin is formally excused

00:26:00okay

00:26:01we are on to ordinances and resolutions

00:26:03again

00:26:04not something I'm going to read every time

00:26:06but

00:26:07um

00:26:08as I said I will ask if there are any comments

00:26:10about a particular ordinance

00:26:12I will do that before

00:26:14any motion is moved

00:26:16um

00:26:17I will do it in first

00:26:18second and third reading

00:26:20and

00:26:21we ask that

00:26:22someone who wants to speak on that

00:26:24comes to the podium

00:26:25and states their name

00:26:26and

00:26:27city of residence

00:26:28making certain they're from

00:26:29well so we know where they are from

00:26:31for the record

00:26:32uh

00:26:33address their council

00:26:35their comments to council as a whole

00:26:36not individual council members

00:26:38remarks must pertain to the agenda item

00:26:40currently being discussed

00:26:42we have three minutes to do so

00:26:43if you are allowed to provide comments

00:26:45but not ask questions

00:26:47we try to establish a dialogue

00:26:49with specific council members

00:26:50and that's

00:26:51that's both directions

00:26:52stage point

00:26:53move on

00:26:54and then council members will ask questions

00:26:56if they have them

00:26:57so

00:26:58since no one is here

00:27:00unless Mr. Stryker has questions

00:27:02or the chief speaker

00:27:03or the

00:27:04questions

00:27:05yes

00:27:06i'm guessing

00:27:07there will be any

00:27:08so we'll go right on

00:27:09with the first item

00:27:12ordinance number 25-009

00:27:16an ordinance providing for additional appropriations for the year 2025

00:27:21for the city of Kenton Ohio

00:27:23and

00:27:24declaring an emergency

00:27:26um

00:27:27i will just say for my own good

00:27:28someone want to talk about this a little bit

00:27:31yeah i sure can

00:27:32especially the dollar amounts

00:27:33yep

00:27:34okay so the first item the police maintenance of equipment

00:27:38um

00:27:39that is one that we did several meetings back but we did it incorrectly

00:27:44we did it as a transfer and it needed to be additional appropriation so that is just a correction to what you approved prior

00:27:55the next three items are for the repair of our backflow preventer in this building

00:28:02it to repair it is over seventeen thousand dollars and when we did the original budget

00:28:08everything that we do in this building is split fifty percent upstairs so city hall maintenance

00:28:15and then the police pay twenty-five percent and the municipal court pays twenty-five percent

00:28:21well when it ended up in the budget that was not a fifty twenty-five twenty-five split

00:28:27um

00:28:28so we need some additional money so that we can get that backflow preventer repaired

00:28:34uh

00:28:35the next um

00:28:38i'm going to skip fire school because i'm going to let chief discuss fire school

00:28:43uh the telephone fire telephone

00:28:46um

00:28:48i had a meeting with the guys and they were talking about how they use their personal phones to

00:28:54be contacting the hospitals and things like that so we got um

00:28:59some two additional iphones

00:29:01um

00:29:02and traded in some

00:29:04hotspots that he had for ipads um

00:29:07but that'll be to cover the two additional iphones for the rest of the year

00:29:15do you want to hear from him about fire school before we go on please

00:29:19um

00:29:22oh christy i know you need it

00:29:26i don't know what's that happened

00:29:27the other one you said that you needed about fifty two fifty five thousand two hundred fifty

00:29:32one's for dive school and the other is you've got f2 transition

00:29:39so what we've got we've got about five guys and i think he must have said he's got some guys interested in doing dive class

00:29:48so just so right now i think we're at four divers i think four to five active divers between us and pd so

00:29:54currently certified currently certified so we're wanting to add to that so

00:30:01that's why we're trying to get monies for a dive class then we're also going to be short because one of our new hires is fire one certified so

00:30:09we'll put him through fire two class later on this fall so i talked to um

00:30:16mr long over at apollo and he said they've got a level one class going on right now

00:30:21he said they usually have a level two right after that so

00:30:24that's what we're looking at for this fall so

00:30:27thanks

00:30:30any questions on the general numbers

00:30:35okay moving on

00:30:38so for the water systems project engineering we received a grant for twenty thousand dollars

00:30:45from the epa for a water loss audit

00:30:50so that's appropriating that money for that audit

00:30:57we need an additional two hundred and fifty dollars to choice one for the

00:31:03water line that's on clover and lark lane

00:31:07the actual cost is forty thousand dollars we have the line is short two hundred fifty dollars

00:31:12and we want to get that done because we have them on the schedule to do the paving of lark and clover

00:31:19part of the school stuff

00:31:21part of the school

00:31:22well no we're going to do it we're going to wait to do it next summer in june

00:31:26so it was supposed to be done this year but we're putting it off till we get this water on every place

00:31:31um and the last is um seven thousand seventy two thousand five hundred dollars for wrestler engineering

00:31:38the study of the water treatment plant that is a zero percent owda loan so it's just prograting the money

00:31:45but we will get um won't pay for it up front it will pay for it as we as we can

00:31:53um repair the wells so we received a four thousand five hundred dollar grant from the epa for well head protection signage and educational outreach

00:32:05um so that is money we just need to appropriate that money and um having some problems with a couple of our wells

00:32:15uh we need we have a quote for twenty thousand dollars but we're short in that line for repair to well number two

00:32:22um so we need ten thousand five hundred dollars for repair to well number two

00:32:27um and then the last one is the water repair to plant um that was quoted at six million one hundred and sixty thousand dollars

00:32:39for the rehab and repair of the water treatment plant

00:32:43of that half will be principal forgiveness

00:32:47and the balance will be at a zero percent loan

00:32:51which is epa certified bringing our plant up to date yes

00:33:05so of that um total in the water i know it looks like a huge number six um

00:33:12six million two hundred sixty seven thousand seven hundred fifty dollars

00:33:17uh three hundred three million one hundred four thousand five hundred is grant or principal forgiveness

00:33:24and three million one hundred fifty two thousand five hundred dollars is a zero percent loan

00:33:34and last but not least do you remember the term on that loan number of years

00:33:39thirty or forty years but we we really need to be careful because we don't want to be paying for a plant that is not out of commission so that's where i was going yes it's a balancing act yes um

00:33:57sewer repair the system we talked uh at the last finance meeting of borrowing money from the repair to plant or transferring money from repair to plant to with the lining of the sewer out of morningside drive well

00:34:08well the um press at the sewer plant is down and i don't feel comfortable taking any money from that line and transferring it so we were asking for additional appropriations of two hundred and forty thousand dollars for the lining of the morningside sewer

00:34:26the total cost is three hundred sixteen thousand one hundred fourteen dollars and sixty cents so um

00:34:33and i don't think i have have it up in water but also in water and sewer office new equipment we had given money for the folding stuffer machine for angelica well the company no longer offers that so she went to somebody to

00:34:55else and we need four hundred dollars more to cover the increase in the price of a piece of equipment so

00:35:06and what is driving the urgency not questioning it just so everybody knows which one of these items

00:35:14um the lining of the plant we will uh of the line on morningside we'd like to get that done before school starts

00:35:20um because we will be shutting down the left station out there while we we do this so during the day

00:35:29and i ask that because the administration has noted that they'd like this considered tonight if council so desires

00:35:38any questions about it

00:35:52so i move we waive the three red wolf or ordinance number two five dash zero zero nine

00:35:59i'll second that that's moved by chad second by steve there's no discussion so we'll vote and you're voting on whether or not to suspend the rules

00:36:07and the rules

00:36:08pey grin

00:36:09yes

00:36:10honda tutor

00:36:11yes

00:36:12sue foxbroker

00:36:13yes

00:36:14david beasley

00:36:15yes

00:36:16steve walter

00:36:17yes

00:36:18chad miller

00:36:19yes

00:36:20passes six zero

00:36:22i move for the order adoption of ordinance number twenty five dash zero zero nine

00:36:27i second that

00:36:28thank you sue thank you peg for the second any discussion

00:36:31all right

00:36:34on the tutor

00:36:35yes

00:36:36sue foxbroker

00:36:37yes

00:36:38david beasley

00:36:39yes

00:36:40steve walter

00:36:41yes

00:36:42chad miller

00:36:43yes

00:36:44pay grant

00:36:45yes

00:36:46that passes six zero

00:36:48next up

00:36:52yes

00:36:58resolution number zero two seven dash two five a resolution requesting the harton county auditor to certify the current tax valuation of the city of kent and the revenue that would be generated by a 4.60 mil additional levy for fire protection and police protection and

00:37:06certify the current tax valuation of the city of 10 and the revenue that would be generated

00:37:12by a 4.60 mil additional levy for fire protection and police protection and declaring an emergency.

00:37:22I think we know the drill here, but I don't know. Lynn, do you want to explain?

00:37:27This is just so we can try again. We're short 67 votes and it's well worth the shot to try again.

00:37:36And we do have a deadline date-wise.

00:37:41So you should have received the email from me with the update.

00:37:44The only thing, you know, I was out last week. Cindy wanted to get it running, so she or Emma used the one previously.

00:37:51But I had to just change the date and note it's not primary, it's general.

00:37:56So again, that was in the email. So this is our first read. We don't need to amend it.

00:38:00I just want to make sure everyone, if anyone didn't receive that, let me know.

00:38:04But there is no substantive change to that, just the date and the name of the election.

00:38:10So again...

00:38:11Mr. President, I move for suspension of three re-enroll for resolution number 027-25.

00:38:17Second.

00:38:18Thank you, David. Thank you, Chad. One second.

00:38:20No discussion, so we'll vote on suspending the rules.

00:38:22Steve Walter?

00:38:24Yes.

00:38:25Chad Miller?

00:38:25Yes.

00:38:26Peg Wren?

00:38:27Yes.

00:38:27Conditutor?

00:38:28Yes.

00:38:29Stu Fox-Broker?

00:38:30Yes.

00:38:31And David Beasley?

00:38:32Yes.

00:38:33That passes 6-0, so we can consider the resolution now.

00:38:37I think that we adopt resolution number 027-25.

00:38:41I'll second that.

00:38:42Moved by Peg, seconded by Steve. Is there any discussion?

00:38:45So pick my hand over Robert.

00:38:48Okay.

00:38:48David Beasley?

00:38:49Yes.

00:38:50Steve Walter?

00:38:52Yes.

00:38:52Chad Miller?

00:38:53Yes.

00:38:54Peg Wren?

00:38:54Yes.

00:38:55Conditutor?

00:38:56Yes.

00:38:57And Sue Fox-Broker?

00:38:58Yes.

00:38:59That passes 6-0.

00:39:00And Joel, just a reminder for council.

00:39:06So we will provide this certification to Mike Bacon, who's aware we're moving through this

00:39:11process again.

00:39:12He'll provide us a letter of certification, which should be the same amount used.

00:39:16So then we will need a second ordinance to proceed at the following council meeting, which

00:39:23we will need the emergency language and request the wave of the three read.

00:39:27If we do not get those in place and we want to get this on the ballot, we'd have to have

00:39:33special meetings if we couldn't, because we have a deadline of August 6th.

00:39:38So obviously we will not be having another council meeting before that time, other than

00:39:42the last meeting in July.

00:39:44So just a heads up that I'll have that once I get that certification from the county auditor.

00:39:50And that will be in the agenda also for next meeting.

00:39:56Okay.

00:39:57Resolution number 028-25, a resolution authorizing the city of Kenton to apply for, accept, and

00:40:07enter into a water supply revolving loan account agreement on behalf of the city of Kenton

00:40:13for construction of Wayne Street trunk line, phase 2 water replacement, and designating

00:40:20a dedicated repayment source for the loan and declaring an emergency.

00:40:27I don't know if, Cindy, if you want to kind of describe this one and maybe all three.

00:40:30Well, the next two, yeah, the next two, this one and the next one are both for the Wayne

00:40:36Street trunk line.

00:40:38So we're going to put in the trunk line on Perry Street this winter, and this will then

00:40:47turn and go up Wayne Street, and it will give the trunk line a wave that currently runs along

00:40:53the Scioto River, which is impossible to get to, and is failing.

00:40:58So this will run this trunk line down Wayne Street as far as we can go before turning and

00:41:04going back toward the river to the clinic.

00:41:08And again, it's just applying for loans.

00:41:12Any questions about it?

00:41:14Just to first read, any objections to reading it again in two weeks?

00:41:20Okay, that's what we'll do.

00:41:26Resolution number 029-25, a resolution authorizing the city of Kenton to apply for, accept, and

00:41:34enter into a water pollution control loan fund agreement on behalf of the city of Kenton

00:41:39for planning, design, and or construction of Wayne Street trunk lines, sanitary sewer facilities,

00:41:46and designating a dedicated due payment source for the loan and declaring an emergency.

00:41:52Cindy just kind of...

00:41:53This is the sewer piece of the watershed.

00:41:57So, any objections to reading that again in two weeks?

00:42:02If you have questions, please reach out to Cindy.

00:42:05All right, we'll read it again in two weeks then.

00:42:09Go ahead to the next.

00:42:10Resolution number 030-25, a resolution authorizing the city of Kenton to apply for, accept, and

00:42:19enter into a water supply revolving loan account agreement on behalf of the city of Kenton for

00:42:26construction of Barron Street water replacement and designating a dedicated repayment source for

00:42:33loan and declaring an emergency.

00:42:36This is kind of related to the one above, isn't it?

00:42:40Cindy?

00:42:41Yeah.

00:42:41No, this is the...

00:42:43These two are boys on Barron Street.

00:42:45Right.

00:42:46Different street.

00:42:47Different problem.

00:42:48Totally different problem.

00:42:50Okay.

00:42:50So, Franklin Street, where the road is all cut up, that is where our storm sewer collapsed.

00:42:59It comes down from Barron, so this will replace that entire line that's coming down on Barron,

00:43:05and we decided, well, while we got it all tore up, we might as well replace curbs, sidewalks,

00:43:12gutter, street, water line that's running there.

00:43:15So, these two are for the Barron Street.

00:43:20This one and the next one.

00:43:23All right.

00:43:24Same thing goes.

00:43:25Any objections to reading in two weeks?

00:43:28There's your first read, then.

00:43:30Read it again.

00:43:32Next one.

00:43:32Resolution number 031-25, a resolution authorizing the City of Kenton to apply for, accept, and

00:43:40enter into a water pollution control loan fund agreement on behalf of the City of Kenton

00:43:46for planning, design, and or construction of Barron Street storm facilities, and designating

00:43:54a dedicated repayment source for allowing and declaring an emergency.

00:43:57Same thing goes.

00:43:59Any objections?

00:44:00If not, we'll read it in two weeks for a second reading.

00:44:05All right.

00:44:08Items up for second reading.

00:44:09All right.

00:44:10Ordinance number 25-007, an ordinance authorizing the City of Kenton, Ohio, to enter into a highway

00:44:28improvement project with the Ohio Department of Transportation and declaring an emergency.

00:44:34Do you want to remind us which this was, Cindy?

00:44:37So, that's why I was just grabbing this.

00:44:39Yeah, I did.

00:44:40So, this, the purpose of this is to microsurface State Route 309 in the City of Kenton from

00:44:45the CSX Railroad to the west side, on the west side of Kenton to the Allen County line.

00:44:51So, it's just a very small portion, basically, from the railroad to the county home that's

00:45:00in the city limits.

00:45:01So, it costs no, it doesn't cost us anything.

00:45:03There is no cost to the City of Kenton.

00:45:04All right.

00:45:06We can read that a final time in a couple weeks, if that's okay with everyone.

00:45:12Okay.

00:45:12Next one.

00:45:16Oh, that's true.

00:45:18Before we read, well, yeah, no, read, I doubt if the heading changed.

00:45:23Did it, John?

00:45:23It did.

00:45:24Oh, it did.

00:45:24Okay, in your packet, you did see we had the item that we talked about, an old business

00:45:35regarding the charter.

00:45:36You did have red line items, and I guess since the heading changed, potentially changed, if you wish to

00:45:50amend that, we would probably look for that amendment right now.

00:45:54I move we amend it.

00:45:58I second that.

00:46:01Moved by Chad, seconded by Peg, to amend ordinance 25008, as it was read three weeks ago, to the form

00:46:10that was emailed to you this afternoon.

00:46:18Sue Fox Broker.

00:46:19Yes.

00:46:20David Beasley.

00:46:21Yes.

00:46:22Steve Walter.

00:46:23Yes.

00:46:24Chad Miller.

00:46:24Yes.

00:46:25Peg Wren.

00:46:26Yes.

00:46:26Honest.

00:46:28And that passes 6-0, so if you would, would you go ahead and read then that ordinance,

00:46:37potential ordinance as amended.

00:46:38The heading, to be the one that John emailed.

00:46:50Ordinance number 25-00A, an ordinance submitting to the electors of the City of Panton, Ohio,

00:46:58the question of whether a commission shall be chosen to frame a city charter and declaring

00:47:03an emergency.

00:47:04Any questions about that at this time?

00:47:11So, any questions on how it reads?

00:47:14Is that what we're discussing, or just the topic in general?

00:47:18I'm just asking the topic in general.

00:47:19All right.

00:47:20So this is my opportunity, I guess.

00:47:22Yeah, because as far as how it reads, you've already...

00:47:24This is the version we're now reading.

00:47:27And just for the press, there's no substantive change with respect to what we're doing under

00:47:33this ordinance.

00:47:34It's all technical matters and language attorneys, you know, so...

00:47:41And that's why the red line was included in the thing.

00:47:44All right.

00:47:45So this is my stump moment, I guess.

00:47:50So, for me, I challenge council to be forward-thinking and being the council that gives the community

00:48:00an opportunity.

00:48:01It's just giving the community an opportunity to create a government that is more efficient

00:48:07and more tailor-made for what suits our community, not what suits the state.

00:48:13We have so many things in our community that we could address if we had the ability to tailor-made

00:48:20it.

00:48:20I know I've heard questions about whether this is the right time.

00:48:28I've heard questions on, you know, what would the commission be made up of or who, things

00:48:34of that nature.

00:48:35All valid questions.

00:48:37Like I said, I've had conversations with at least a dozen people in the community that

00:48:42I feel would work very diligently.

00:48:46They would know the purpose.

00:48:47They would be driven to get to the end result and work at getting there.

00:48:54Whether it's the right time, when is the right time?

00:48:58All I can say is every one of us up here on council can verify this for yourselves.

00:49:04You can think to yourselves.

00:49:06I make Cindy kind of a gold standard in what we've had in 20 years.

00:49:12And I'm not putting anybody down from the past.

00:49:16I'm just saying, since I've been on council, there's so many projects that are going on

00:49:23in this city that are forward thinking, that we are moving forward.

00:49:28There's a lot of things we still got to address.

00:49:30But we need that type of person to be doing that.

00:49:34If she decides to leave tomorrow, there would be another person appointed.

00:49:40John has said, our real only avenue to replace the city service director as council is basically

00:49:55through the purse strings.

00:49:57We don't vet them.

00:49:58This position, every one of us knows the many hats that Cindy wears just in her position.

00:50:04That position needs to be vetted.

00:50:08I believe through the charter, that needs to be what is created in the charter.

00:50:13It's just one of many things.

00:50:15People ask me a lot of times, what all would I, like outline items that I would change type things.

00:50:22It's not for me to say.

00:50:24I'm just kind of stuck on the fact that we have a city service director that is moving us to the future.

00:50:31She's chasing money four and five years down the road.

00:50:34She's planning projects 10 and 15 years down the road.

00:50:38And that can all change on a dime with a different person.

00:50:42And if we don't have the capability to vet that person, we don't have the capability of directing our city the way that we feel it should be done,

00:50:53we're just hurting ourselves.

00:50:55We are letting ourselves down.

00:50:57And every one of us up here is not serving our community if we don't do the best to put the best foot forward

00:51:04and put the best people in positions, whether it's there or anywhere in the city.

00:51:09We need to have more checks and balances, I think, as far as whether we're elected officials or we're appointed officials.

00:51:16We could have people that are appointed that may not be doing the job, but we don't really have those checks and balances.

00:51:23So when I hear when is the right time, to me now is the right time because we have the gold standard in our safety service director.

00:51:32And once she leaves, I would hope the community would vote for a charter and give us the ability to continue that expectation and that standard going forward.

00:51:44No matter who the mayor would be or whatever, that position Cindy holds is the CEO of over 8,000 people in our community.

00:51:54She's the CEO of a multimillion-dollar budget.

00:51:58She has to be an engineer.

00:52:00She has to be a negotiator with unions.

00:52:04She has to deal with EPA.

00:52:06At the moment, there is no criteria for who holds that position.

00:52:12None.

00:52:14Anybody can hold that position and not even know the first person to call if something happened down at the water plant as far as EPA or anything else.

00:52:22So I challenge council to move forward, put this before the voters, give the voters the opportunity to say yay or nay.

00:52:34We've done our part beyond that.

00:52:36If we give the voters the opportunity to say, and we give them, you know, the opportunity and we explain to them, you know, just like this, this is why we feel we need this.

00:52:49If we educate the community, I feel like this would pass 100 times over.

00:52:54I have not had one conversation with the many people that's approached me, not one conversation where somebody's like, this isn't for us.

00:53:04Everybody I've talked to has been really excited for the opportunity to be a part of it or even excited to see the growth of our city in that form.

00:53:16So beyond that, I mean, you could say we've had this government for 100 years, whatever.

00:53:25I know Peg uses the analogy of, you know, you remodel your house, you don't put the same stuff back.

00:53:31I tend to like the analogy of 100 years ago, everything that came off the assembly line at Ford was identical.

00:53:42Not a one of us drive a Model A.

00:53:45We all have, whether we feel comfortable, we want a four-wheel drive, air conditioning.

00:53:50Everything we, every person's car in here is custom to what they want.

00:53:55You went in and you picked out what you wanted from the dealership.

00:53:58But it's the world we live in.

00:54:00We need to be forward-thinking and have a government that is progressive and grows with the times.

00:54:09So with that, I would ask that we waive the three-read rule on that ordinance to vote to pass it tonight.

00:54:20Based on the premise that the commission would have to have their 25 signature petitions submitted to the Board of Elections by August 20th, which is 75 days before the election.

00:54:36We could read it the third time, but I would move we waive the three-read rule and give everybody that would like to have an opportunity to get their signatures

00:54:45and just to allow them the most time that we can.

00:54:49So that would give them a month, basically, to get their signatures to submit to the Board of Elections to be on the ballot for the commission.

00:55:00That's me.

00:55:01If anybody has anything to add, any questions, I will gladly talk to anybody and everybody about the need for this commission, or the charter.

00:55:11All the research I've done, I would be glad to share with anybody on council, anybody in the community, as far as what I can provide.

00:55:23Ted, you mentioned that this was the wave of the future.

00:55:26What's the percentages of cities, towns, villages in the state of Ohio that currently have a charter?

00:55:32So I wouldn't say it's the wave of the future.

00:55:34A lot of them are created.

00:55:37Sunbury is an example.

00:55:38They're created when they hit that threshold.

00:55:40I know Sid Upperson-Dusky's been around since early 1900, so I don't really have a number as far as what's statutory and what's charter.

00:55:51You would put that out there as it appeared to be a popular move,

00:56:00and I was curious as to what the percentage of municipalities are that are currently participating in the charter.

00:56:07I wasn't trying to portray it, I guess.

00:56:09Okay, I'm sorry.

00:56:10I'm sorry.

00:56:10No, no.

00:56:11I'm glad to be able to clarify.

00:56:15I wasn't trying to portray it as a popular move.

00:56:17I'm just portraying it as a move for our city that would be beneficial.

00:56:24I didn't really look outside the spectrum of what is best for Kent.

00:56:28I sit here as well as you to serve what is best for our citizens, so that's my perspective, Dave.

00:56:35That's not, I wasn't really looking outside.

00:56:37I misunderstood what you said.

00:56:38I would, and I was just trying to look at that.

00:56:44There are a considerable number of municipalities in Ohio that are chartered.

00:56:53At some point, I had a list, and I'm just not finding it.

00:56:57I know we were looking at that when we were looking at comparison of salaries and roles, and I mean, there are dozens and dozens of them in Ohio.

00:57:12I would say I think it's a fair statement that typically they are about our size or larger in population.

00:57:23That's a very general statement.

00:57:28I would say there's hundreds, I believe, at one, I won't swear to it, but I believe I've read somewhere there was at least a couple hundred throughout the city, or the state, I guess.

00:57:42Don't hold me to it, don't quote me, but I think it would.

00:57:44Before we can find that, I know I've seen it.

00:57:51At any rate, we're not going to be the, we're not going to be the very first city.

00:57:58I mean, it's something that's been out there for years.

00:58:06I would think the real close one here, Marysville's a charter.

00:58:10Are you finding it, John?

00:58:12I'm not.

00:58:15183.

00:58:16183.

00:58:17Yeah, and don't quote, this is just a Google search, okay, but that's what it's coming up with.

00:58:23So, you know, and then there's some villages too, but that's kind of a different format.

00:58:32Right.

00:58:32So, okay, we do, I know David, you asked the question, does anyone else have a question they would like to ask Chad?

00:58:45Because we do have a motion on the floor here.

00:58:47I would second the motion.

00:58:49Okay, we have, it's been properly moved by Chad, seconded by Sue, to suspend the three reading rule.

00:58:55You are voting, there's no discussion, you are voting simply on whether you want to suspend the rule or not suspend the rule.

00:59:01So, it does sound like there is time either way, but I also understand Chad explained his reason for submitting the motion.

00:59:09Let's go ahead and vote.

00:59:10Steve Wolfman.

00:59:11Yes.

00:59:12Chad Miller.

00:59:13Yes.

00:59:13Dave Renn.

00:59:14Yes.

00:59:15On the Tudor.

00:59:16Yes.

00:59:18Stu Fox Broker.

00:59:19Yes.

00:59:20David Beasley.

00:59:21Yes.

00:59:23It's been passed 6-0 to suspend the three read rule.

00:59:28Could now entertain a motion on the ordinance.

00:59:34We'll move to adopt ordinance number 225-008.

00:59:38Do I need to say it's amended, or is that?

00:59:41Sure, as amended.

00:59:43That's been done already.

00:59:44But, yes.

00:59:45As amended.

00:59:45Yep.

00:59:47Thanks, Peg, for the motion.

00:59:49Is there a second?

00:59:50On did it.

00:59:51Oh, on did it?

00:59:52Okay.

00:59:53Sorry, on did it.

00:59:54Properly moved and seconded.

00:59:55Any discussion on the motion, or on the ordinance as amended?

01:00:02All right.

01:00:03Chad Miller.

01:00:04Yes.

01:00:05Peg Renn.

01:00:05Yes.

01:00:06On the Tudor.

01:00:07Yes.

01:00:08Sue Fox Broker.

01:00:09Yes.

01:00:10David Beasley.

01:00:11No.

01:00:12And Steve Walker.

01:00:13Yes.

01:00:14That passes by a vote of five to one.

01:00:20That does meet emergency language, right?

01:00:24Is that even in there?

01:00:25It does have emergency language.

01:00:27Okay.

01:00:28It meets it.

01:00:30It's in there.

01:00:32Yep.

01:00:32All right.

01:00:37Move on to third readings.

01:00:39Resolution number 023-25, a resolution authorizing the safety service director of the city of Kenton, Ohio,

01:00:56to enter into a professional service services agreement for a water treatment plant general plan with Wessler Engineering and declaring an emergency.

01:01:06Any, we've read this a few times, but it's been over the course of the last five weeks, any questions for Cindy, Lynn, anything you want, either you want to add on that?

01:01:22Mr. President, I would move on to the adoption of resolution number 23-25.

01:01:27I second.

01:01:28Moved by Sue, seconded by Chad.

01:01:30Is there any discussion?

01:01:34Okay.

01:01:35Honda Tudor.

01:01:36Yes.

01:01:37Sue Fox Broker.

01:01:38Yes.

01:01:39David Beasley.

01:01:40Yes.

01:01:40Steve Walter.

01:01:41Yes.

01:01:42Chad Miller.

01:01:43Yes.

01:01:43Peg Red.

01:01:44Yes.

01:01:46Passes 60.

01:01:51Next up.

01:01:55Resolution number 024-25, a resolution tentatively awarding the contract for the water treatment plant repair and rehab design slash construction to USG Water and Water.

01:02:10Declaring an emergency.

01:02:13Same thing.

01:02:13Any questions for Cindy or Lynn?

01:02:17Anything you guys want to add?

01:02:19This is just tentatively until we get the loan approved or awarded, basically.

01:02:26All right.

01:02:29It's a third read.

01:02:30What are your wishes?

01:02:33Mr. President, I move for the adoption.

01:02:35I'll second.

01:02:36Moved by David, seconded by Steve, I think that was.

01:02:38Is there any, is there discussion?

01:02:43Okay.

01:02:45Sue Fox Broker.

01:02:46Yes.

01:02:47David Beasley.

01:02:48Yes.

01:02:49Steve Walter.

01:02:50Yes.

01:02:50Chad Miller.

01:02:51Yes.

01:02:52Peg Red.

01:02:53Yes.

01:02:53Payment on the Tudor.

01:02:54Yes.

01:02:56That passes 6-0.

01:02:59Any other matters to be discussed tonight?

01:03:02Joel.

01:03:05Yes.

01:03:06I would like to circle back today.

01:03:09Now that we passed the charter initiative to put it on the ballot, I just want to get

01:03:15back to the cost component because I don't want to sign the agreement unless council is

01:03:24behind the financial commitment.

01:03:26So I don't know that we need that tonight, but I would want a roll call from council authorizing

01:03:33me to sign the agreement before I actually sign and submit that to Bricker.

01:03:37Okay.

01:03:38So if you guys want to think about that and we could bring it up at next meeting, I just,

01:03:44you know, we don't need a resolution or ordinance, but I do want to vote before we commit to that.

01:03:51So if people want to think about that, you know, that's, I know.

01:03:57And given the little bit of a cushion in time, obviously we passed, don't want to get the timing

01:04:05and what we've got to get ready for across the street.

01:04:08I would ask that whether it's Chad, you as a sponsor or council in general, I don't know,

01:04:22David, if there's a way finance could talk about this in the next couple weeks.

01:04:29So most of it, I believe, if I'm not, it would fall under next year's budget.

01:04:34And that's my question.

01:04:35One of the things we want to get ironed out, how much of that commitment in that engagement letter?

01:04:45You're not going to have, well.

01:04:47You shouldn't.

01:04:48Let's make certain the engagement letter doesn't say otherwise.

01:04:51Fair enough.

01:04:54I want to make certain that.

01:04:55They don't ask for a retainer of ground.

01:04:57Exactly.

01:04:58And I'm curious if that is not successful on the ballot, what roughly would be our commitment from us?

01:05:10So our commitment is, in essence, kind of like on a month-with-month basis.

01:05:14I think it's in there.

01:05:15So even if we would use them from this time frame, say, going forward into the election of anything,

01:05:22they have like an hourly rate from their high end to their middle and stuff.

01:05:26So just kind of like any attorney, I suppose, they would charge you for your hours used as far as now.

01:05:36I know what we're talking now, right?

01:05:38Right.

01:05:39As opposed to if it was to pass in November and we really had them here, whatever, for every commission meeting.

01:05:46The only legal issues we get into is if there's some procedural issues with the Charter Commission itself.

01:05:57Because, you know, if there's questions about filling, you know, spots or anything,

01:06:04because the substance of the Charter, we're not going to talk about that until the second week in November.

01:06:10Right.

01:06:11Or at the end of the first week, you know.

01:06:13So that's where the bulk comes.

01:06:15And that's why if you look at their estimated timeline, they really estimated no more than five hours in kind of pre-discussion.

01:06:24And that's kind of set forth in their estimate.

01:06:29Well, that might answer my question.

01:06:31I mean, again, we were looking at an engagement letter to echo your point there that had to figure $50,000 to $55,000 in it.

01:06:41So I wanted to make certain that we had.

01:06:43And right now, even if it's five hours at $250,000 an hour, I don't know that we have a line item that comes out of it yet.

01:06:50So even if it's just some communication back and forth with finance, I do think it involves finance to some extent.

01:07:00Sorry, David.

01:07:01I'm not trying to.

01:07:01That's fine.

01:07:02We'd be happy to meet prior to the next meeting, six o'clock.

01:07:06So along that same line, I got two things.

01:07:11So we know the high end was $55,000 just for them.

01:07:17But we need to know what to budget for, too, for next year as far as the legislation and everything else.

01:07:25So the recodification or the rewrite of the codifieds would come at the conclusion of the commission's work, is my understanding.

01:07:35So that would probably even push into late 26, early 27 at the end of the time frame.

01:07:44So we wouldn't change our ordinances until the charter plan is approved.

01:07:53And that would go in front of the voters at the general election in November of 26.

01:08:01Right.

01:08:02And that's what is mailed out to all the voters in the city.

01:08:06So there's the time frame that has to be mailed out by the city.

01:08:10They have the opportunity to review that before their vote.

01:08:15There is a time limit.

01:08:18You have to do it within a year?

01:08:20Yes, within a year.

01:08:22It would have to be on the ballot in 26, or you'd have to go through this process all over.

01:08:29Right.

01:08:31Actually, the commission would have to have the final draft basically eight months from November

01:08:37so that there was that window of getting the Board of Elections, their notice, and things of that name,

01:08:44and getting it out to the public on what was drafted.

01:08:47You don't have a year to formalize the charter.

01:08:50Right.

01:08:51I would really say you're really at seven months to why it's safe.

01:08:55Yes.

01:08:55So then my second question is, how are we getting it out to the citizens about getting the petition,

01:09:03if they're interested, getting the petition and getting on the ballot?

01:09:08How about that?

01:09:10I don't have it in front of me, but I know you can go on to the state of Ohio.

01:09:16You had it, John.

01:09:17What was it, like an I-3 or something like that?

01:09:20The forms, it's in there, and the Board of Elections will have that,

01:09:24although the Board of Elections has not gone through this process here

01:09:27because we don't have any charters.

01:09:30There's 3P or 3Q are the forms.

01:09:343Ps.

01:09:34And you can print them right off the state of Ohio.

01:09:36The difference between the forms is an individual ballot versus a group ballot.

01:09:43So I believe the Q ballot is-

01:09:45Is a group.

01:09:45Right, and the benefit of that is if people have a list of people

01:09:50and they want to submit those, the petition can be for all of them.

01:09:54It doesn't mean you're only voting for all of them.

01:09:57It's whoever is the highest vote-getters of the 15,

01:10:01whether they're on an individual or several different ballots.

01:10:06It's just getting the names on the ballot.

01:10:09So it simplifies the process in the event, you know,

01:10:14a group of people said, these 10 people are going to run.

01:10:17They could just have the petition circulated for those 10 people

01:10:21rather than having 10 individual petitions.

01:10:24Right.

01:10:25So that's the difference between the two.

01:10:27But I guess my point is,

01:10:30how does somebody that doesn't watch these council meetings

01:10:33know that if they're interested in filling out a petition,

01:10:38know that this is out there other than-

01:10:42Tim, Tim, our buddy Tim Thomas.

01:10:46So the six of you here, help me out.

01:10:51Who are the members here that are part of legislation?

01:10:56Myself.

01:10:56Raise your hands.

01:10:57Robin.

01:10:58Robin is our chair.

01:11:00Chad.

01:11:02And-

01:11:03Onda.

01:11:04Onda.

01:11:04Yeah.

01:11:04All right.

01:11:06Who are MOP?

01:11:08Peg, Sue, and I believe also-

01:11:12Oh, Onda.

01:11:13Onda.

01:11:13Okay.

01:11:14That's-

01:11:14And then finance, I know.

01:11:17I'm going to throw out a suggestion.

01:11:19I would like a member of finance,

01:11:21a member of MOP,

01:11:21and a member of legislation,

01:11:23and Chad, you need to be one of these people,

01:11:25to be on a special committee

01:11:29to iron out Cindy's question,

01:11:34the number of the dollars question,

01:11:37and anything else that needs done.

01:11:40Then they should attend the finance meeting on-

01:11:42And that, let's just make that finance meeting that meeting.

01:11:46So it might not be germane only to finance.

01:11:48That's great.

01:11:49All right.

01:11:50So I know there'll be a member of finance there.

01:11:54Chad, if you'll make sure you're there,

01:11:56and then Peg or Onda, or both, if you desire,

01:11:59or any other council member who wants to be there.

01:12:02And you're talking about 6.30 or 6?

01:12:066 o'clock.

01:12:066 prior to the next meeting.

01:12:08That gives plenty of time for conversation and questions.

01:12:11If we get done early, so be it.

01:12:15So kind of to touch base on Cindy's,

01:12:19like what comes to mind is I know every one of us,

01:12:22we go to the Board of Elections,

01:12:24and we get our paperwork,

01:12:26and do our petition through them.

01:12:29I get that part,

01:12:30but how do I even know that this is out there for me?

01:12:32I'm interested.

01:12:34How do I know to go out and get the petition?

01:12:36How are you going to market it?

01:12:38Yeah, yeah.

01:12:39I understand.

01:12:40But even if you could get it off this website yourself

01:12:43and just go from there,

01:12:44or if you actually need to go to the Board of Elections

01:12:47and acquire it there,

01:12:49I mean, that's, I guess, another question I'll need to kind of...

01:12:54They have no idea what this,

01:12:56being on this commission even entails,

01:12:59or why we're doing this, and...

01:13:02Yeah, I'm aware.

01:13:05Okay.

01:13:06I was...

01:13:07I've been aware.

01:13:07Something that could be done on, you know,

01:13:09they do those focus things on the radio station.

01:13:13Sure.

01:13:13You know, and, of course, you have the newspaper,

01:13:18city government, maybe Chad could write something up.

01:13:24So that, you know, people that do Facebook, you know,

01:13:29you could see something.

01:13:31I mean, that's...

01:13:32I mean, how else would you do it besides the press,

01:13:35the radio, and, you know, social media?

01:13:37Those three entities would be the way to get it out there.

01:13:41Also, the fact of, even with the petition,

01:13:46and we've all experienced this up here,

01:13:50you know, it says 25 valid signatures from your electorates.

01:13:56I would advise anybody to get over 30,

01:13:59because the Board of Elections is very meticulous.

01:14:04My grandson signed my petition,

01:14:06and because when he registered to vote, he printed.

01:14:10When he signed my petition, he wrote in cursive,

01:14:14my own grandson got thrown off of my petition for that fact.

01:14:19So I would also put it out there,

01:14:22just because it says 25,

01:14:24it's 25 valid through the Board of Elections,

01:14:28and we've all, I'm sure, up here experienced that.

01:14:30I would advise anybody to get better than 30,

01:14:33just to make sure you have enough.

01:14:36So let's iron out these kind of things

01:14:38in that committee setting.

01:14:40Especially the, again, I'm going to use the term,

01:14:44the marketing aspect of it.

01:14:49Any other questions on that?

01:14:52So since we've passed this,

01:14:54also, in theory, tomorrow,

01:14:56somebody could start their own petition,

01:14:59whether they got it off the state of Ohio,

01:15:01the I-3 or whatever,

01:15:03and filled it out.

01:15:04I mean, it's pretty much just name and date on it.

01:15:07I don't think it's rocket science, per se.

01:15:11I will have this to the Board of Elections by end of the week.

01:15:13However, I have to go in and modify the ordinance to complete.

01:15:18When is that I'm back in?

01:15:21Tomorrow.

01:15:21Okay, because we just need to fill in the blanks.

01:15:23You know, Peg moved on to 2nd.

01:15:26You know, I had in the draft, Robin was there.

01:15:28I just need to make the,

01:15:30the ordinance has been passed,

01:15:32but we need to take that.

01:15:33Before the ordinance has moved, as drafted,

01:15:37it'll have to be signed by you, Joel, Emma,

01:15:41as well as the mayor,

01:15:42so we can get that over.

01:15:44And once we get that,

01:15:45I'll have the revision over tomorrow.

01:15:47We'll need to get the signatures.

01:15:50I mean, we have plenty of time.

01:15:54We do, right.

01:15:55So, and, and, uh, just a reminder.

01:15:58So you've, folks, you've passed this tonight.

01:16:01I understand that.

01:16:02Again, we have plenty of time.

01:16:04And, and I'm not, this is,

01:16:06this is not me predicting, Chad.

01:16:09I'm not saying that at all.

01:16:10I just want to make certain six of you know,

01:16:12this is a big decision.

01:16:14We have until August,

01:16:18I can't remember what day,

01:16:20to remove something from the election.

01:16:23So, if something comes up,

01:16:26and you could rescind this in two weeks.

01:16:30You could read, depends on when that deadline falls in August.

01:16:34My point simply is this.

01:16:35You have time,

01:16:38but it has to happen in the next three weeks.

01:16:41Right.

01:16:41We probably have one more meeting.

01:16:43So, back to the special meeting,

01:16:51special committee meeting,

01:16:53met in two weeks at six o'clock here.

01:16:56So, that,

01:16:58is that what we were just talking about,

01:17:00David, as far as?

01:17:01It, it, it, it's going to be a special committee,

01:17:05either Joel himself,

01:17:07to take chairmanship of it,

01:17:09or appoint,

01:17:10or appoint a chairman.

01:17:12We're going to call it committee of the whole.

01:17:13I'll, I'll be there also.

01:17:15Perfect.

01:17:16Six o'clock,

01:17:17before.

01:17:18Okay.

01:17:19That way it's not all on David.

01:17:21Right.

01:17:22Okay.

01:17:23But let's iron this stuff out there.

01:17:24We've got an hour to get through it.

01:17:26Um, and then we'll move on.

01:17:33Okay.

01:17:34Um,

01:17:35that was another matter, right?

01:17:38Any other matters?

01:17:41Comments from the public?

01:17:45Comments from the news media?

01:17:48You don't know where to start.

01:17:50I've heard more tonight about this

01:17:52than I ever dreamed of here.

01:17:53I see any of us afterwards.

01:18:02Not like you have a deadline or anything.

01:18:07Comments from council members of administration?

01:18:09We will start.

01:18:11Mr. Commissioner,

01:18:12anything you want to add?

01:18:12You know,

01:18:15it just

01:18:15sounds like a big

01:18:17undertaking.

01:18:20I have a lot of questions

01:18:21in my mind,

01:18:24but I'm going to do a lot of research.

01:18:26Being a resident of the city,

01:18:29I'm sure you won't do your

01:18:31free diligence.

01:18:33Do the other things.

01:18:35I don't know.

01:18:36A lot of research

01:18:37and get out to the public.

01:18:38Get out to the public,

01:18:39but within reason

01:18:40it's going to be up

01:18:41to the public now

01:18:42unless council changes

01:18:43their mind

01:18:43in the next two weeks.

01:18:47Christy,

01:18:47anything you want to...

01:18:49Daryl?

01:18:51Chief Donnelly?

01:18:52Chief Musser?

01:18:53Okay.

01:18:54Sue?

01:18:55David?

01:18:56Yes, sir.

01:18:57I did want to take a moment

01:18:58to recognize

01:18:59our two safety chiefs

01:19:01here tonight.

01:19:01I have noticed

01:19:02recently

01:19:03some terrific

01:19:05positive banter

01:19:07on social media

01:19:09for the actions

01:19:10and things

01:19:11that they're involved in

01:19:12in engaging

01:19:12our community

01:19:14and I want to commend

01:19:15them on that

01:19:16publicly.

01:19:17Well done.

01:19:20Please.

01:19:21I've been long-winded

01:19:23enough tonight.

01:19:24I have nothing.

01:19:25Second.

01:19:26I'm sorry.

01:19:28Exactly.

01:19:30Anything, Peg?

01:19:30All right.

01:19:34John, anything to...

01:19:35Cindy?

01:19:40Lynn?

01:19:40Just real quick.

01:19:42SB Street

01:19:43is being closed down

01:19:44at 8 o'clock

01:19:45in the morning

01:19:46in that time frame

01:19:47somewhere.

01:19:49Close to 8 as possible.

01:19:51It shouldn't take us

01:19:53four hours.

01:19:54We didn't put out

01:19:55a time

01:19:56due to the fact

01:19:57it could take longer.

01:19:58So, we'll be

01:20:01in and out.

01:20:03It will be

01:20:03opened back up.

01:20:04It's just a

01:20:05faulty piece of road

01:20:07clear down

01:20:08through the base

01:20:09has went.

01:20:10So, they're repairing

01:20:11the base too.

01:20:12So,

01:20:13we thought it was best

01:20:14just to

01:20:15shut it down

01:20:16for that time frame.

01:20:18Traffic will be

01:20:19directed

01:20:19down Detroit

01:20:21to Perry Street

01:20:22and then back

01:20:23to Maine

01:20:23and then that

01:20:24turn lane

01:20:25will be closed off.

01:20:26So,

01:20:27it's just for the day

01:20:28if not

01:20:29half a day.

01:20:31We have

01:20:31everybody

01:20:32will be working

01:20:33on it

01:20:34at Public Works

01:20:35so they did a good

01:20:36great job

01:20:36planning and preparing

01:20:38for tomorrow.

01:20:42Eliza Street

01:20:43will be shut down

01:20:45during the day

01:20:46for the project

01:20:47Wednesday

01:20:49through Friday.

01:20:52So,

01:20:53hopefully we have

01:20:54some police up there

01:20:55to help try to

01:20:56redirect people.

01:21:00Yeah.

01:21:01It'll be fun times.

01:21:02Here we go.

01:21:03also just a

01:21:07reminder

01:21:08Tim

01:21:09you can get

01:21:11keep pressing this

01:21:12Republic's picking up

01:21:15will be swinging

01:21:16back through

01:21:17next week

01:21:17to get

01:21:18the first round

01:21:19of Monday

01:21:20Tuesday

01:21:21so if your

01:21:21Monday Tuesday

01:21:22pick up

01:21:23week of the 21st

01:21:24they'll pick up

01:21:25if your Thursday

01:21:26Wednesday Thursday

01:21:27it's the following

01:21:28week the 28th

01:21:30so they figured

01:21:31around 200

01:21:32coats still out

01:21:33there

01:21:33empty

01:21:34yeah

01:21:35they gotta be

01:21:35empty

01:21:35they have to be

01:21:36empty

01:21:36I saw full ones

01:21:37today

01:21:38Republic full ones

01:21:40yeah

01:21:40we'll drop them

01:21:42over into your

01:21:42yeah

01:21:43and I don't know

01:21:45what to tell people

01:21:46when they say that

01:21:47other than

01:21:47I don't know

01:21:48what the repercussion

01:21:49Republic will have

01:21:50on that

01:21:51that's between

01:21:52you and

01:21:53Republic

01:21:53so

01:21:54um

01:21:56real quick

01:21:59so if the house

01:22:00was empty

01:22:00like a rental

01:22:02or something

01:22:02and it's there

01:22:03is it just

01:22:05gonna remain

01:22:05there

01:22:06are they just

01:22:06gonna

01:22:06take it upon

01:22:08themselves

01:22:08to grab it

01:22:09or

01:22:09long street

01:22:10they need to be

01:22:11curbside

01:22:11so

01:22:12if you know of one

01:22:13it's in house 50

01:22:14pull it out

01:22:14please

01:22:15okay

01:22:15I moved a lot out

01:22:17hopefully

01:22:17okay

01:22:17I was just

01:22:18wondering

01:22:19also it's

01:22:22it's on the street

01:22:23this week

01:22:25and

01:22:25and we will be

01:22:27closing down

01:22:27we're closing roads

01:22:28like it's

01:22:29our job

01:22:30don't put that

01:22:33in the paper

01:22:34Maine

01:22:34it's not a secret

01:22:36right

01:22:36from Maine

01:22:38to Wayne

01:22:38it's gonna get

01:22:39shut down

01:22:40around

01:22:40on Columbus

01:22:42street

01:22:42so

01:22:43from

01:22:44Heininger's

01:22:45to the

01:22:45Kent times

01:22:46it's the same

01:22:47layout as it was

01:22:48last year

01:22:48so that's

01:22:51the big fundraiser

01:22:54Mark

01:22:54on Maine

01:22:55will be

01:22:55that week

01:22:56also

01:22:56and

01:22:57the big 5k

01:22:58alumni

01:22:59for the school

01:23:00that we helped

01:23:01to do some

01:23:01fundraising for

01:23:02for the kids

01:23:03it's also

01:23:04and we have

01:23:05a pretty good team

01:23:06that's gonna run

01:23:06well we're running

01:23:08we're not running

01:23:09in a relay

01:23:09they are

01:23:10yeah we're gonna

01:23:12walk

01:23:12so

01:23:13if you're not

01:23:15sign up

01:23:15and come walk

01:23:16with us

01:23:17so it's a big

01:23:18week here in town

01:23:19for that kind

01:23:20of stuff too

01:23:20so

01:23:21excited for

01:23:22but we'll find

01:23:24our way around

01:23:24town

01:23:25I think

01:23:27Bob figured

01:23:28it out today

01:23:29that 0.08%

01:23:31of our roads

01:23:32are closed

01:23:32so we can find

01:23:33one around

01:23:33he did the

01:23:39mileage

01:23:39that's not

01:23:40that's all

01:23:40with Facebook

01:23:41since

01:23:41that's all

01:23:45I had

01:23:46okay

01:23:46I think

01:23:49that's it

01:23:50then

01:23:50we will meet

01:23:52again

01:23:52as far as

01:23:54council

01:23:55regular council

01:23:56meetings

01:23:56on Monday

01:23:57July 28th

01:23:587pm

01:23:59we will have

01:24:00a committee

01:24:00of the whole

01:24:01council

01:24:03special committee

01:24:046 o'clock

01:24:06same day

01:24:08right here

01:24:09I would

01:24:11encourage

01:24:12every council

01:24:13member

01:24:13to read

01:24:14that

01:24:15letter

01:24:17of

01:24:18understanding

01:24:19or

01:24:19I forget

01:24:20what they

01:24:20call it

01:24:21Ricker's

01:24:22letter

01:24:24make certain

01:24:25you've read

01:24:26through that

01:24:26and any

01:24:27further research

01:24:28and if

01:24:29nothing else

01:24:30get a hold

01:24:31of Chad

01:24:32and ask him

01:24:32all the questions

01:24:33you can

01:24:33with that

01:24:36I think

01:24:37we're adjourned

01:24:38all the time

01:24:39and ask him

01:24:40to

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