00:00...is the former political editor of The Sun, Trevor Kavanagh.
00:02Trevor, good afternoon. Thank you for your company.
00:05Sorry, it's under these circumstances, actually,
00:07because looking at those pictures from the channel there
00:09with Nigel Farage, Mark White,
00:11hearing the potential detail that's been leaked
00:13about this Starmer-Macron briefing,
00:16which will come imminently on this show,
00:18it's all a bit depressing, isn't it?
00:19Well, it's very depressing, actually.
00:21I mean, this is the so-called coalition of the willing,
00:24but in fact it's the coalition of the clueless and the credulous.
00:28I think that Macron has no idea what to do about the migrants,
00:32but he's very happy to see them paddling off to British shores.
00:36And Starmer simply doesn't care, really.
00:39I mean, deep down, the idea that he would smash the gangs
00:41was always a joke.
00:43He had never had any intention of seriously tackling this problem.
00:48And we have four more years of this at the rate of,
00:51what is it now, 80,000 so far,
00:53and that's going to balloon over the coming years.
00:55Nothing that they're talking about today
00:57and what they're about to announce will have any impact on that number,
01:01that invasion of people who are illegal,
01:04and that's the important thing to remember.
01:06They're illegal the moment they set foot on these shores.
01:08Well, they are.
01:09So they are, I mean, Donald Trump, President Trump,
01:11and his administration in the US
01:13dealt with this quite well at the start of their term.
01:16They said these people are, by definition, illegal.
01:20They're in the country illegally.
01:21But, Trevor, the Downing Street spokesman released a statement
01:25this afternoon calling them irregular migrants.
01:28So when the government of the day hasn't even got the balls,
01:33the guts or, let's say, the competence to describe these people properly,
01:36what hope do we have of solving the problem?
01:38Well, we have no hope at the moment.
01:40We will have no hope while this government's in office.
01:43And it is the policy and practice of the left always
01:46to rename anything that's unpopular
01:49so that it seems like a different problem
01:51and they change the ground rules so that the counting is impossible.
01:55It's, I think, actually, it's a calculated attempt
02:00to change the face of Britain.
02:02And I was, 20 years ago, when I was political editor
02:05and I was talking to Tony Blair
02:08when he opened the floodgates to immigrants from Europe,
02:11I asked him if he was aware of the changing face of Britain
02:14and he basically described me as a fascist.
02:17Yeah.
02:17But I've been proved right.
02:19Trevor, they still would today.
02:20They would.
02:20You're suggesting it's intentional
02:22and I can see why you'd say that.
02:24I mean, when you see the levels of incompetence,
02:27you've got, I just said to you off air,
02:28when you have strange men, thousands of them,
02:31from faraway lands, nobody knows who they are,
02:34where they're from, getting hold of dinghies
02:36from the French equivalent of Tesco,
02:38coming across the English Channel,
02:40and not only that, but the land of milk and honey
02:43that awaits them, the freebies,
02:45the bus passes into town,
02:47the spending money from the home office,
02:48the dentistry, the NHS, the Wi-Fi, so on and so on.
02:51We see it all over social media.
02:52They boast about it.
02:53They almost troll Brits and Britain
02:56with the fact they're here.
02:57When you see all that together,
02:59it's hard not to think that it's just beyond
03:03something to do with competence, isn't it?
03:06Well, I think it's very easy to believe
03:08it's something beyond incompetence.
03:11I mean, we date back to that comment
03:13by one of the Labour Party researchers
03:15who said that this was to rub the nose
03:17of the Tory right in the issue of migration.
03:21And that is exactly what's been happening ever since.
03:24This is a calculated attempt to divide the country
03:27in many, many ways, not just on immigration,
03:29but on various other grievances.
03:31So who's behind it then?
03:32It's a...
03:34NGOs?
03:35I hesitate to say that it's any single entity,
03:37but it is the sort of left, the divisive left,
03:41who use issues like trans and sexuality
03:43and colour and race, religion in terms of Islam
03:48as a way of dividing the broad mass
03:51of common-sense citizens from those
03:53with something to gain from that division.
03:56Of course, if Sir Keir Starmer was here,
03:58if somebody from the government was here,
03:59they'd say, of course, this isn't intentional.
04:02They'd probably call you a conspiracy theorist,
04:03and me, and probably some viewers at home
04:05who go along with that concern.
04:07They've said tonight in a statement,
04:09the leaders agreed, tackling Macron and Starmer,
04:11they've agreed that tackling the threat
04:13of irregular migration, irregular migration,
04:15and small boats is a top priority for this government.
04:19But the devil's in the detail with this deal, isn't it?
04:21It's coming imminently, this press conference.
04:23Apparently, Trevor, we will only be able
04:26to return 50 migrants a week, which is 800 for the year.
04:30Bear in mind, you probably get 800 to 1,200 a week anyway.
04:33So it seems rather pointless.
04:36Well, I think the broad mass of your viewers
04:38will have the sense to see that this is nonsense.
04:41It's a confidence trick.
04:43It's basically a slap in the face for the British public
04:46who are not given a say in the way that their country
04:49is being governed for the next four years
04:51and has been for the last 12 months.
04:52And it will get a lot worse.
04:55And, you know, Nigel Farage made a lot of very good comments
04:58then when he was talking from that boat in the channel,
05:01watching these people coming across in very large numbers.
05:04It's costing us 800 million a year,
05:07or 800 million to the French.
05:09It's costing a billion a year in housing
05:11for migrants in hostels.
05:13It's costing a huge amount of money in welfare
05:16for unemployed migrants once they're here.
05:19And it is dwarfing the issues.
05:23It is the single issue.
05:25And it's not going to be solved either by this government
05:27or indeed by its successive government.
05:29It's costing a huge amount of money in the country.
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