00:00Mr. Philp, lovely to see you this morning as ever.
00:02The Sunday Express front page quotes your former colleague David Jones,
00:06who's defected to reform, the latest Tory to do so,
00:09claiming that the migrant deal with France quotes,
00:12won't stop a single boat. Do you agree with that analysis?
00:17Good morning, Camilla. Yes, I do.
00:20Because under this so-called deal, it's really a bit of a gimmick in my view,
00:24only 6% of illegal immigrants crossing the channel will get sent back to France.
00:29The other 94% will get to stay in the UK.
00:33And obviously, having 94% of illegal immigrants staying in the UK
00:36will not act as any deterrent at all.
00:39It's another gimmick, just like Keir Starmer's smash-the-gang gimmick a year or so ago,
00:44which you'll notice he never mentions any more,
00:47because so far this year we've seen record-ever numbers
00:50of illegal immigrants crossing the English Channel,
00:53the highest number in history so far this year.
00:55And I'm afraid this so-called deal, this gimmick last week,
00:59is going to make no difference to that whatsoever.
01:02Well, you say it's a gimmick.
01:03The Tories were constantly banging on about stopping the boats
01:06and smashing the gangs.
01:08And it must have been a gimmick when you were doing it,
01:10because you didn't do either, did you?
01:12Well, not entirely, Camilla.
01:15So, first of all, in 2023, the calendar year,
01:18that was our last full year in office,
01:20we actually got the small boat numbers down by about 30%.
01:24So that was quite a big step in the right direction.
01:26And we then had the second step in the plan
01:28was to basically remove 100% of arrivals
01:32the minute their feet touched the shore using the Rwanda scheme.
01:36And obviously, common sense tells you
01:38that if you've got a 100% or close to 100% chance
01:42of getting removed,
01:43then you're not going to bother attempting the crossing
01:45in the first place.
01:47Something very similar worked in Australia about 12 years ago.
01:50Now, that went through a whole load of legal challenges.
01:52We had to pass a new law through Parliament.
01:54It was ready to go last summer.
01:55It was ready to go at the end of July,
01:57just after the election,
01:58but it was handed to Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper
02:01on a plate.
02:02And what did they do?
02:03They cancelled it just a few days before it was due to start.
02:07And as a consequence,
02:09instead of continuing the downward trend,
02:11immigration across the channel,
02:13illegal immigration has surged by over 40% since the election.
02:17And it's now been the worst year in history,
02:20thanks to their ineptitude.
02:22Auro, there's an interesting expose in the Mail on Sunday
02:25entitled Boat Migrants Crazy Golf Trips On You.
02:29And this is talking about Kent County Council
02:32splurging all sorts of staggering sums,
02:35including £102 on Fortnum & Mason goods,
02:39Disney and Netflix subscriptions worth £10,000,
02:42an Amazon bill of £162,000.
02:45All apparently, according to Zia Yousef,
02:47that was ascribed to the asylum budget.
02:50I was reading the story thinking,
02:51what is this nonsense?
02:53How could this have happened?
02:54And then I realised that it must have happened
02:56under the Conservatives' watch.
02:57Because before the last local elections,
03:00wasn't Kent in control of the Conservatives?
03:05Yeah, well, I don't know when that expenditure was incurred
03:08or whether it was paid by the Home Office.
03:09It could have happened after the last election.
03:11I don't know,
03:12because it's the Home Office that runs the asylum budget.
03:14But everything you just read out, Camilla,
03:16without question, is a total...
03:19OK, well, the year to June of this year,
03:21that's obviously after the last general election.
03:23Yeah, but it's not...
03:24You were in charge until the locals,
03:29which were in May.
03:30So it's mostly on your watch, isn't it?
03:32Well, that was Kent County Council.
03:34Yes, it was Kintori run, isn't it?
03:35And Labour have been running the Home Office
03:40since July of last year.
03:41But frankly, whoever is responsible,
03:43that should obviously never have happened.
03:45That is absolutely outrageous.
03:46And I can tell you one thing,
03:47if I become Home Secretary,
03:48that nonsense will stop completely.
03:49What did you make of Macron saying
03:52that Brits have been sold a lie on Brexit?
03:55I mean, to be fair,
03:57the French president's not wrong, is he?
03:59Boris Johnson kept on banging on
04:00about us taking back control of our borders
04:02and then seemed intensely relaxed about mass migration.
04:09Well, I mean, first of all,
04:10I don't think politicians in any country
04:12should denigrate the results of democratic elections,
04:15whether those are referenda or national elections.
04:17I think any politician of any colour
04:20and in any country should respect elections
04:23when they happen and respect the views of the public.
04:26And to say, oh, they made a mistake
04:27or all that kind of stuff,
04:29I think is actually damaging to democracy.
04:31So I think those words were not particularly well chosen.
04:35Look, on the levels of legal migration in recent years,
04:38I've said it before, Camilla, I've said it to you,
04:40I'll say it again,
04:41they have been far, far too high
04:42under successive governments for very many years.
04:46But in recent years, they've been far, far too high.
04:50So as we've discussed previously,
04:52we need to have a binding annual cap set by Parliament.
04:55I'm not going to stop asking you what the cap should be.
04:57We haven't announced the number yet.
04:59We haven't, you keep asking
05:01and we are going to come up with a number.
05:03It won't be this morning.
05:04We look forward to that.
05:05It'll be at a far, far lower level
05:06than anything we've seen in recent years
05:08because it's been far too high.
05:10We must end the era of mass, low-skilled migration.
05:12It's got to stop.
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