00:00What do you make of this plan, these return hubs across the EU? We're talking this morning about
00:06Kosovo, Britain asking Kosovo to take small boat migrants and rejected asylum seekers.
00:12What do you make of this plan? Will it work to stop the small boats?
00:17Well, I know people were very frustrated that we didn't get the Rwanda plan operational as quickly
00:22as we would have liked, as I would have liked. But we did have in place a plan with a third
00:27country to take migrants as a deterrent, which even the National Crime Agency has said is vitally
00:32important. So whilst I welcome any efforts to create an alternative deterrent, which Labour still
00:37have not done, what they should have done is make an attempt to operationalise and use that Rwanda
00:42policy that we had in place. A key difference between what Labour have talked about doing and
00:46what we plan to do, we plan to say if you come here, you go to a third country and they process
00:52your asylum claim. What Labour have talked about, in my understanding so far, is taking people to be
00:57processed somewhere else. There are real disadvantages to that approach because they're still caught up in
01:02all of the law and the processing that we have to run, just being done elsewhere. The benefits of
01:08the Rwanda approach was that it would have been the Rwanda government making the decisions about who
01:12did or didn't secure asylum. I think that's the better approach. It's the more reliable approach.
01:17And I really do regret all the things that Labour have turned on, whether it's taxes on hardworking
01:22people, taxes on farmers, taxes on schools, all these things that they've done that are so damaging.
01:27I wish the one change they would have made was to make an attempt to get that Rwanda policy working.
01:32It worked for Australia. The same approach. Australia said, if you come here, we'll take you
01:36somewhere else and you don't get to stay. They saw more than 90% drop in crossings. We could have
01:40that same result here, I think. Yeah. And
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