00:00Boy, there's some chaos in the NBA.
00:03How's your boy Jay Crawford doing after last night?
00:05I imagine sick.
00:07Well, it's funny you should ask.
00:11We definitely have an interaction.
00:16I said, are you okay?
00:20That was brutal.
00:21Laughing.
00:22Most Cleveland thing ever.
00:24I replied, in any sport.
00:26Yep.
00:26He said, one man team tonight.
00:28And then I listed some of the other downfalls in Cleveland history.
00:36Because if you live in Cleveland, you are very familiar.
00:41Did Charles Aggie come up?
00:43Indians against the Marlins.
00:46Yeah.
00:48Cavs against the Bulls.
00:50Craig Elo.
00:52And Browns against Denver twice.
00:54That's brutal, dude.
00:55Think about that.
00:56If you have lived through.
00:59Now, the only thing is, it's only game two.
01:02Right?
01:02But.
01:04It's game two.
01:06And you should be 1-1 right now.
01:08Correct.
01:09At the worst.
01:10You got a 50-piece from Spida with all his guys out on your floor.
01:15And you lose.
01:17That's a killer, dude.
01:18And how they lost.
01:20It's how they lost.
01:22It's not that they lost.
01:23It's how they lost.
01:24How they lost.
01:26Was it?
01:27They were up seven with 50 seconds left.
01:34Now, to be honest, if you had a little chili pepper on it, at that point, you're thinking,
01:43hang on for the win.
01:45I got five and a half.
01:46Right?
01:49At no point in time, in those 50 seconds, did anyone ever think the Cavs would actually lose.
02:02Crazy.
02:03It was crazy.
02:05And then, I don't, listen, I don't know what the hell happened to Minnesota.
02:12They were awful yesterday.
02:15Awful.
02:16I mean, I know he gets piled on a lot, but it's deserved.
02:22But Rudy Gobert should be embarrassed with himself.
02:24Like, I couldn't imagine being that imposing a figure and still allowing Draymond Green to take your lunch money like this consistently.
02:32It's so embarrassing what he did.
02:35Now, mind you, look, it's Ant's team.
02:38He stunk yesterday.
02:40Anthony Edwards was awful.
02:42They lost Steph Curry.
02:43I don't know when he's coming back.
02:45It didn't look good.
02:45And, and think about this.
02:49Now, the only way you can lose to the Warriors is 90s basketball.
02:57A bunch of middies, a bunch of taking it to the rim, a bunch of free throws.
03:02That's the only way you can lose.
03:04And you supposedly have the best deterrent at the rim in the league.
03:09Nah.
03:10That's, that, I, when, when Steph got hurt, I'm like, oh, this is going to be.
03:14Nah, he's, listen, Rudy Gobert is a peacock without feathers.
03:18Like, he's useless, dude.
03:19He is.
03:22Nobody was calling him Shaq.
03:25Who?
03:26Because, listen, y'all were calling him Shaq.
03:29Dude, well, that's the thing that was embarrassing about it, though.
03:31Like, this guy is one of the all-time, like, you know in the playoffs, Rudy Gobert is kind of useless.
03:37It's just what it is.
03:38Because they can, they scheme him out of games.
03:40That's what made what he did against the Lakers so shocking.
03:43Is that he looked like Wilt.
03:46And, you know, Ant's talking about, yeah.
03:48He's like, you guys, you guys talk bad.
03:50I'm like, look, Ant seems like a great teammate.
03:52But yesterday, you watched it in the first 10 minutes of this game.
03:55You're like, I can't believe Draymond Green is punking this guy again.
03:58He's half his size.
03:59Right.
04:00It's crazy.
04:01But I was asking Marcos a question, all right?
04:02Because we talked about this a couple weeks ago.
04:04And I asked him a very, I said a very stupid thing then.
04:07Because sometimes we do our own little show.
04:09Right?
04:10Huh.
04:11You're admitting to saying something stupid.
04:12Why don't I get that admittable?
04:15I don't know.
04:16Too much pride on my part.
04:18Well, I'm going to give you my stupid point right now.
04:20Okay.
04:21Because I said the stupid thing to him, right?
04:24And we were, like, talking.
04:25I don't remember what point.
04:25Do you remember what point of the season it was, Marcos?
04:27It was probably, like, three weeks to go, maybe.
04:30Yeah.
04:30Like, three weeks to go.
04:31And I said to him, Tyrese Halliburton is not that much better than Tyler Hero.
04:37If he's better than you.
04:38Tyler Hero, Tyrese Halliburton, I think I'd take Tyler Hero.
04:41And I'm thinking to myself.
04:44And I'm, like, watching last night.
04:45Because this guy, he's stones.
04:48That's just what he is.
04:49But he's awkwardly.
04:50He looks awkward doing it.
04:52He's stones, Leroy.
04:54Like, this guy is such a killer.
04:57Right?
04:57And he's just, like, everybody in the league is calling him the most overrated guy.
05:01Even yesterday, you saw that Donovich was scared.
05:04He's trying to get Cleveland to stop chanting overrated.
05:06He's, like, stop doing that.
05:07Stop.
05:07Stop.
05:07Stop.
05:08And he's getting this disrespect kicked on his name.
05:11Now, mind you.
05:13These guys grew up together.
05:15Tyler Hero and Tyrese Halliburton.
05:17They ain't crabbed together.
05:19This was them on their team.
05:20Wait, wait, wait.
05:21Hold on.
05:22Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
05:24Tyler Hero was taller than Halliburton?
05:28Looks like it.
05:29I mean, I don't know perspective on that.
05:30But they're the same height.
05:32No way.
05:34They're the same height.
05:34Halliburton's taller than Tyler Hero.
05:36Same height.
05:37Because he looks like a spider with his long arms and legs.
05:40He's not.
05:41Like, I thought that, too.
05:42He's not.
05:43I mean, Tyler Hero's got T-Rex arms.
05:44He's 6'5", 6'5".
05:45I think Tyrese Halliburton is 6'5", 6'8".
05:48So it's longer.
05:50Right.
05:50But they're the same height.
05:51And that's why I was like, you know, what's he got that Tyler doesn't got?
05:57I'm just trying to figure it out.
05:58Like, what does he got that Tyler don't got?
06:01Right?
06:02Now you know.
06:03It's just.
06:04But, like, do you understand what I'm saying with that?
06:07Like, it's a strange thing.
06:08These guys, they grew up together.
06:10They're the same age.
06:11Right?
06:12Tyler got drafted a year earlier.
06:14Tyler comes in.
06:15Bat out of hell.
06:16Into the league.
06:17Tyrese Halliburton.
06:19He's traded from the Kings for Sabonis.
06:23He's such an idiot.
06:24I can't believe you like that guy.
06:25Still good, man.
06:26It was a decent trade at the time.
06:28At the time.
06:29You know.
06:30You don't even have De'Aaron Fox anymore.
06:33Stupid Kings fan.
06:34Anyway.
06:35Tyler Hero comes in the league like a bat out of hell.
06:39He's talking all this bleep.
06:40You know.
06:41Like, just.
06:42Just.
06:42Six.
06:43You know.
06:43Then he goes to six man of the year.
06:45Tyrese Halliburton gets the trade from the Kings.
06:47Because they're going to De'Aaron Fox.
06:48They're going to bring in Sabonis.
06:49Looks like a great trade for the Kings at the time.
06:52And now Tyrese Halliburton is sitting here.
06:54He's two wins away from eliminating the one seed.
06:57He was in an Eastern Conference final last year.
06:59Where the Heat and the Pacers had the same record.
07:01He did lose Jimmy Butler in the play-in.
07:03But he's still gotten to the Eastern Conference finals.
07:05You can't take it away from him.
07:06Right.
07:07And.
07:08I'm just trying to think, Leroy.
07:09Like, he stinks at defense.
07:11He's not a great guy getting to the free throw line.
07:14But, like.
07:15Like, there's just something about Tyrese Halliburton.
07:17Where it's like.
07:18Shot on the line.
07:19Tyler Hero.
07:20Worst clutch player by percentage this year in the NBA.
07:24I mean, Tyler Hero.
07:25Excuse me.
07:25Tyrese Halliburton.
07:2610 for his last 11 in the final two minutes.
07:28Like.
07:29He's just.
07:31Stones.
07:31And I'm like.
07:32What?
07:33Why?
07:34Why is there this gap there with them?
07:36Because I look at him.
07:37I'm like.
07:38Okay.
07:38Tyrese Halliburton is a little bit more of a pure point guard.
07:40He gets his teammates involved.
07:41Like, what does he have that Tyler don't have?
07:45I can.
07:46I can.
07:47Boil it down to this.
07:52If I mention.
07:53Tyler Hero.
07:55To a group of NBA fans.
07:57They'll go.
07:58Good player.
07:59All-star.
08:00Right.
08:00If I say Tyrese Halliburton.
08:03Hate him.
08:04Can't stand him.
08:05When you have a guy like that.
08:07That means that he has pretty much eaten your soul at one point.
08:13Yeah.
08:13And we tend.
08:15Everybody hates this dude for no reason.
08:19Hate him.
08:20Because he has buried you at some point.
08:24And that's the difference between the two guys.
08:27That.
08:29When you hate somebody as a fan of another team.
08:32Is because you fear them.
08:36Is because you're terrified.
08:38That if that guy goes off.
08:41We don't have a chance.
08:43So when he goes into all these arenas.
08:45And he goes and plays all these games.
08:48And he hears all these chants.
08:51Right.
08:52And then buries you.
08:55And talks trash.
08:56Now.
09:00You know the difference.
09:02Between Tyrese Halliburton.
09:05And Tyler Hero.
09:06Because.
09:07Think about.
09:08Let's put it this way.
09:1040 from Tyrese Halliburton.
09:13Is like getting shot with a Uzi.
09:16Right.
09:1740 from Tyler.
09:18Is like getting hit with a slingshot.
09:21Because it doesn't necessarily mean.
09:23That he broke your back.
09:25Right.
09:25Shmithan saying Tobin.
09:26Your high is cheap crack.
09:27If you think Tyler Hero is anywhere close to Tyrese Halliburton.
09:30Halliburton made the Olympic team.
09:31Tyler even get a tryout.
09:34I just want to be clear.
09:35Shmithan.
09:36I'm not.
09:37I know weeks ago.
09:38I did say that.
09:39But I'm like.
09:39Obviously very clearly.
09:40We sit here today.
09:41Tyler Hero getting smacked in the teeth.
09:43Worst playoff.
09:45Loss in NBA history.
09:47Tyrese Halliburton.
09:48Two wins away from his second straight.
09:49Eastern Conference Finals.
09:50Very clearly.
09:51I'm not saying.
09:52I was wrong for even.
09:53Entertaining that to Frogboy.
09:56But you understand.
09:57Like if you put the players in a vacuum.
09:59Right.
10:01You would be like.
10:02You look at their numbers.
10:04You look at.
10:05Their height.
10:06You look at.
10:07What they do.
10:08It's like.
10:09They're.
10:09They're pretty parallel.
10:11No they're not.
10:12But they.
10:13But they are.
10:13They are.
10:14Like skill set.
10:14Well I'm just saying.
10:15Skill for skill Leroy.
10:16They are.
10:17Okay.
10:17Okay.
10:17But.
10:18But.
10:18But very clearly.
10:19But there is that X factor.
10:21Because like here's the thing.
10:23Tyrese Halliburton.
10:24No matter what.
10:26Is going to be the man in Indiana.
10:28Like we know this.
10:29Whatever Indiana does.
10:30However far they get.
10:31Even if Indiana tweaks things.
10:33And.
10:33And I will say.
10:34Like yes.
10:35Indiana has a better.
10:36A better roster.
10:37It's not an overwhelming roster.
10:38It's a better roster.
10:40You know.
10:40But no matter what.
10:43Tyrese Halliburton.
10:43From here on.
10:45Probably until he retires.
10:46Is the man in Indiana.
10:48And what we're talking about.
10:49This whole offseason.
10:50And what we're going to talk about.
10:51This whole offseason.
10:53Is going to be talking about somebody.
10:55Who can be the man.
10:56Because Tyler and Bam can't be the man.
10:59And I'm just.
11:00I'm.
11:00And it's interesting.
11:01Because.
11:02When they came into the league.
11:05Tyler Hero.
11:05Took off.
11:06Yes.
11:06He got to be a big player.
11:08On a good team with Jimmy Butler.
11:10Tyrese Halliburton got traded off of a Kings team.
11:13But I'm like.
11:13Well what.
11:14What happened.
11:15Like where did it go.
11:16Is it because.
11:17Indiana was so thankful to have Tyrese Halliburton.
11:20He was treated like the man.
11:22And.
11:23It's just.
11:23It's.
11:23It's just been that.
11:25And he's had that responsibility.
11:26And Tyler Hero is just getting this now.
11:27In year six.
11:28Where Halliburton has been this since year.
11:30Since year two basically.
11:32Um.
11:33I.
11:34This is.
11:34But very.
11:35Very clearly.
11:36There's a separation there.
11:37This is the other issue.
11:39That.
11:39We seem to overlook.
11:41Tyrese Halliburton's role.
11:44wherever he's played.
11:46Has been pretty consistent.
11:49That.
11:50And.
11:50And.
11:50And he does a really good job.
11:52And.
11:52I think it's.
11:53Uh.
11:53Luis Benito.
11:55In the chat.
11:56Said it best.
11:56He feeds everybody else pizza.
12:00But that last slice is for him.
12:03Whereas Tyler.
12:04We put more on him.
12:07To be the scorer.
12:10And not necessarily the facilitator.
12:13So.
12:13He has to be more than just a point guard.
12:16Right.
12:17Because we need his scoring.
12:19So.
12:20The roles are a little bit different.
12:22But.
12:24At the end.
12:27I mean.
12:28Just.
12:29Just watching him.
12:30Like.
12:31He.
12:31But here's the funny thing.
12:34He not only made the three.
12:36He got the rebound.
12:38Yeah.
12:39He went and got the home rebound.
12:41They let him dribble behind the three point line.
12:44And then shoot a three.
12:46Wait.
12:47Can anybody.
12:48Like.
12:49Do something.
12:50Huh?
12:51So.
12:52Yeah.
12:54Um.
12:55That was.
12:56Like.
12:57That was.
12:58That was.
12:58That was so cutthroat.
13:00What he did.
13:01Oh my goodness.
13:02I don't.
13:02I really.
13:03I don't know.
13:03The whole way.
13:04I really don't know how Cleveland recovers from that.
13:07Max Drew saying recover from that.
13:09Dude.
13:09Max Drew.
13:10Oh God.
13:11He took it rough yesterday.
13:12We'll play that sound a little later for you.
13:13Rest.
13:14Woo.
13:15I mean.
13:16Again.
13:16I go back to.
13:18Telling.
13:18You guys.
13:19What it feels like.
13:21Right after.
13:23And to have to answer questions.
13:26When you want to put your fist through a wall.
13:28Right.
13:29It's.
13:30It's a tough thing to ask.
13:33Not an athlete.
13:35A human.
13:36And for some reason.
13:39We think.
13:40That.
13:41An athlete is not.
13:43Human.
13:44You better be ready to answer our questions.
13:46Because you're required to.
13:48And.
13:49I.
13:50Being in that situation.
13:52Never take the human part away from the athlete.
13:55And so.
13:55I can sympathize with him.
13:58You know.
13:59I understand.
14:00And when I saw him answering the questions.
14:03I'm like.
14:04Yeah.
14:04I know what that feels like.
14:06Right.
14:06But people don't.
14:08Everybody else just looks at it as.
14:10You know.
14:10Something different.
14:11I look at it as.
14:13Man.
14:13That's human.
14:14Like.
14:14I could.
14:15Take any one of you.
14:17And put you in that situation.
14:18To where you're just.
14:20Almost heartbroken.
14:22Right.
14:22And then say.
14:24Now.
14:24You're required to answer questions.
14:25About what you just went through.
14:28It's not going to be so friendly.
14:30It's not going to be so happy.
14:32Right.
14:33So.
14:34Yeah.
14:34I like.
14:35I just look at that differently.
14:37I mean.
14:37I look at him.
14:37And I'm like.
14:38Man.
14:38I feel your strues.
14:39I feel your pain.
14:41I know what that feels like.
14:42Right.
14:43But I don't think a regular person understands it.
14:47I don't know how they come back from it dude.
14:49I mean.
14:49You got to.
14:51You got to win four out of five now.
14:52When that's happened to you.
14:54You do.
14:55You've won 60.
14:56What did they win?
14:5660 games?
14:58Oh.
14:58That's out the window now.
14:59It doesn't matter now.
15:00No.
15:01But.
15:01But here's what you have to do.
15:04You have to go to a place.
15:06Mentally.
15:08Even though it's a huge deal.
15:12You have to go to a place mentally.
15:16Where.
15:17You can say.
15:19We've won 10, 11 games in a row.
15:22And it didn't matter who we were playing.
15:24If we just play our style of basketball.
15:28And see it through till the end.
15:30And we can get through this.
15:32But.
15:33If you go into the next game.
15:36Thinking about how you blew the last games.
15:39In that arena.
15:40With that Rockers crowd.
15:42You have no chance.
15:44If you go into the next game.
15:44I'll see you again.
15:46I'll see you next time.
15:47For now.
15:48To the next.
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