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The National Investigation Agency (NIA) is recreating the scene of the Pahalgam terror attack. NIA teams are questioning zipline operators, including one seen in a video saying 'Allah Hu Akbar' before gunshots were heard.
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00:00Good morning and welcome. You're watching India's Agenda. I'm Pooja Arshali. Thank you for tuning
00:15in this morning. Jammu and Kashmir is our top story. This bulletin first, the headlines.
00:23Behelgaam terrorists were trained Pakistani paracommandos, trained with the precision
00:28strikes that they inflicted on innocent Indians. High level of training, assault rifles,
00:35M4, AK-47 and more. We have details on that coming up.
00:43It's this, it's a rattled Pakistan, clearly with now showing what its military deployment
00:52already is happening, even though India hasn't even said anything on a military strike. Pakistan
00:58fears devastation, rushing to detect Indian airstripe, to move radar systems to the border.
01:09Horrific videos emerge from Behelgaam. This new viral video has sent shock waves across the country.
01:14For the first time, an aerial view of what was unfolding on the ground and people rushed to cover.
01:21The tourist unaware as he's in the air on a zip line about the massacre unfolding on the ground.
01:26Crucial evidence for investigators, but questions being raised as he's claiming that the operator
01:32of the zip line made a comment, a chant of Allah Akbar, even though he hadn't done it till the gunshots were fired.
01:44Sadly, till now, politicians who were all on the same page are starting to give bizarre statements.
01:49The Congress leadership distancing itself from Congress veteran Saifuddin Soz and other Congress
01:55MLAs as well from Maharashtra who've given out bizarre statements. A gag order has been issued.
02:00India making it very clear as the United Nations of what it has to say about Pakistan over Jammu Kishmi.
02:11India calls Pakistan a rogue state, that it fuels global terrorism, says Pakistan misuses international forums
02:18for lies and propaganda.
02:30A week since the Pahalgam terror carnage, N.I. investigation that is on as the teams have taken over the case files right now.
02:53And it is going to be a recreation in Baisaran.
02:57N.I. is questioning some of the zip line operators, especially one who has been seen in a video
03:05saying, Allah Akbar, before the zip line begins and after the gunshots can be heard.
03:10The zip line operator is under the lens he's been questioned as well.
03:14N.I. is also meanwhile gathering technical evidence from the attack video.
03:18And it's not just about one zip line operator or one tourist.
03:22The N.I. teams are consistently tracking as many eyewitness and survivor accounts as they can.
03:27Shreya Chatterjee joins me for the latest on that.
03:30Shreya, tell us what is the reason for the recreation?
03:34What is on agenda for the N.I.A. and why are they also questioning the zip line operators, the vendors, the shopkeepers who are present there?
03:47Well, you know, first and foremost, Pooja, this is also something that will be a part of a case that will be trying in the court.
03:53So that's the reason why the piecing together of evidence is extremely crucial for the National Investigative Agency.
03:59Also, remember during the first instance when they visited the crime scene, there is a possibility that you missed the gaps in between the chaos.
04:07So when you go in for recreating the scene, which is using your 3D mapping, your ballistic reports, even sometimes your laser things,
04:16there is expert, I mean, recreations that are done.
04:20So all these things are done to piece together evidence.
04:22Also, witness statements will be corroborated simultaneously with that.
04:26That's exactly what the news is trickling down, that this recreation of scenes started yesterday and it will be going on for some time now
04:33because they need to understand the vulnerable spots as well, where exactly and how this entire thing was carried out.
04:39So that is the reason why all these people will be questioned, including that zip line operator,
04:43because irrespective of the fact, what turns out, that's a very crucial piece of evidence that's finally surfaced.
04:48And the NIA will definitely try and get as much as they can a clarity based on both witness statements and also scientific recreation strategies
04:57to understand what exactly transpired, because this is not just going to help them in investigation,
05:02but also make a watertight case against the perpetrators of this crime.
05:07Remember that the country is looking at further investigations and the details to come out to, to really understand,
05:14despite this massive security grid, so much transformation in the valley, what happened?
05:18Shreya, tell me more about how they are looking at, of course the incident has happened, but to piece together in Baisaran,
05:25there are several teams of the NIA officials presently in the Kashmir Valley.
05:29And what will be specifically, do you think, their strategy?
05:33Are they looking at terrorists? Are they looking at sleeper cells?
05:37Are they looking at how to ensure, possibly, that this will not be repeated ever again in Kashmir?
05:47Well, that's exactly what is going to be the issue, because you know, once you understand the style of attack,
05:51because let's be clear that this was a very specific style of attack that was used to carry out to cause fear,
05:57cause terror amongst people and tourists, something that Kashmir hasn't seen really probably in long, long time.
06:03And that's exactly why the National Investigative Agency's first important thing would be to put the evidence together.
06:10As Pooja, you know, we've been hearing all the news trittled down.
06:13There are multiple witness accounts. There was a chaos that was carried out in Baisaran Valley
06:18when that terror attack was there. So witness statements also need to be corroborated with evidence.
06:24It cannot just be what the witnesses are saying.
06:26So that is the reason the recreation becomes extremely crucial.
06:30Simultaneously, once you identify the attack, it's also about how you can prevent them future.
06:35Because remember, we've also got understood about this fact that there are certain unguarded places in Kashmir,
06:40which will now be off the bound for tourists. But that's not going to be the case forever.
06:45So ensure that how these places need to be guarded, how the protection needs to be improved,
06:50that will also be depending largely on understanding this attack.
06:54And that's exactly what we are seeing the National Investigative Agency do right now.
06:58And we are not making any conjecture because this is the tourist who recorded the video.
07:08He has also raised a question. He's the one basically saying that there were,
07:13according to the video and according to him, that if the gunshots were heard,
07:16he was saying Allahu Akbar, which we later realized watching the video.
07:19And we also realized that he didn't say that before to our other family members who took the zipline.
07:25So how do you think possibly the NI is looking at the survivors as much as possibly who was present there on the spot?
07:33Because these are Pakistan terrorists sure, but there is been sadly the element of even if minuscule,
07:40but was there any local support?
07:46Pooja, you know Kashmir for all these years, we've covered the instances that has happened.
07:50It's impossible that such a kind of terror attack could have happened without local support.
07:55But that does not mean that you alienate an entire community.
07:58It's why putting the evidence on the perpetrators is extremely crucial.
08:03That is why our investigative agency is not just going on hearsay.
08:07They are going there, doing the hard work, recreating the scene.
08:11Yes, there can be questions on a security failure, but now everyone in the system is working together
08:16to ensure that we actually try and solve this issue once and for all.
08:21That's why that recreation of scene is extremely crucial.
08:23Our investigative agencies don't just go on hearsay, they go on hard facts.
08:27That's exactly why we see the NIA toiling on the ground, putting the piece together with 3D mapping,
08:33with laser technology, with anchor recreations of scene.
08:36All these things will be done over the couple of days.
08:39And be rest assured, having covered the NIA, I can say that this is going to be a watertight case
08:43and an example will be set one last time for the perpetrators hiding behind in Pakistan.
08:48And I can tell you that in these NIA teams are senior experienced officials
08:54who know Jammu Kashmir very well and be rest assured that they'll be getting to the bottom of this
08:59with the probe and we'll find out who was involved and how.
09:03Shreya, thank you very much for now.
09:05Because remember the teams from NIA have been recording statements of the victims, the survivors, the eyewitnesses and suspects.
09:13The NIA seeks to piece together the sequence of events, gather more information and importantly evidence
09:19to have a timeline on what exactly happened.
09:22India today has accessed the line of questioning as much by the NIA and what are the eyewitnesses for example being asked,
09:29especially the tourists of course here.
09:31When did you travel to Kashmir? What time did you reach?
09:34These are basic, this is to understand the timeline.
09:36Most of these tourists remember were on the last phase, on the last day in fact of their visit
09:41and that's why many of them did not expect what was unfolding barely minutes into that incident.
09:47Where were you exactly when the terrorists arrived?
09:51And for example, if you're with your family, what language did the terrorists come and speak?
09:57This could be very crucial.
09:59Now understand that someone from other states may not pick up on the nuances,
10:03but the language, the tone, the dialect, the accent can be of crucial evidence
10:08if the eyewitnesses and survivors are able to point it out to the investigators.
10:12It will help them understand precisely what part of Pakistan or if there was a local support here with regard to terrorists.
10:19Did you notice any sort of specific marks?
10:22And it's important for the viewer watching this.
10:25These are, remember, otherwise may look very minuscule, unimportant details,
10:30but these details help investigators heavily when it comes to probe.
10:34Did you see any sort of mark on the face, any details?
10:38Did you see weapons they carried?
10:40What did they look like?
10:41What were they speaking to you?
10:43How did you respond?
10:44What did they ask?
10:45More facial features, appearance, clothes, details that can help piece together for investigations in this case.
10:52I reiterate here that as a responsible channel, we're not putting out any details that can hamper the probe,
10:58but also important ones to help you understand how investigations are proceeding.
11:03And God forbid you are ever in this situation to try and point out details that can help the cops piece it together.
11:10Meer Fareed is joining me from Srinagar for the latest on that.
11:13Fareed, in many ways, it will be like a needle in the haystack for the investigators.
11:19The fact is, a week later, terrorists are at large.
11:21A lot of responses have come in, including going after active terrorist properties.
11:25But to be able to put together the timeline, to be able to go after the terrorists, how is the NIA proceeding with it?
11:31Well, Pooja, you know, NIA has a different role in this.
11:39They have to unearth the complete conspiracy.
11:42And NIA has the experience of many such terror cases where they start from scratch.
11:47They have their own protocol.
11:48They have their own ways of going about investigation.
11:52And that, obviously, is painstaking.
11:54It will take a long time.
11:55Our sources say there's a big NIA team in Pahlgam.
11:58And every day, they are touching one aspect of this particular case.
12:03Be it the spot visit, as we've been saying, the crime scene, to get evidence from there.
12:08Or talk in detail and ensure that each one of the people who were there, the locals, the service providers, the ponywalas,
12:19everyone has been spoken to, their details gathered.
12:22And each day, new people are summoned for questioning.
12:25So it is going to be a long investigation.
12:28But as far as short-term goals are concerned, there are separate operations that are ongoing.
12:33So this has to be dissected in different ways, where NIA will take over the probe, has taken over the probe,
12:41and is going to unearth this complete conspiracy each and every angle of this.
12:46On the other hand, you have short-term goals of eliminating the Falcon Squad of TRF and against whom the forces,
12:53the security forces army, is on their hot trail.
12:56And then you have the third layer of local police, local investigators, trying to unearth the OGW networks,
13:03the people who may have provided logistics, help, and not only for Pehel Gham, but overall,
13:10if there are people in the system who are out but are acting as OGW's help support staff or support system for these Lashkar and Jayash Carter,
13:21so they also need to be taken care of.
13:23So it is happening at multiple levels.
13:25But as of now, NIA is a huge dream in Pehel Gham and trying to gather each and every aspect evidence of this case.
13:33And then you have the operational side where in Pehel Gham and the surrounding areas, the jungles, everything is being scanned,
13:43not a spot being left by the security agencies as they search and as they go on the hot trail of the Falcon Squad or the people who executed this attack.
13:52All right, Fareed, the very important responsibility on the shoulders of the NIA officers who are presently in Kashmir,
14:00who are tracking, piecing together what happened, to really find out, despite all the efforts,
14:05how did the Baisaran massacre happen on 22nd April.
14:09We'll be tracking that and leaving it to the agencies to decide what precisely is the reality on what happened on the ground.
14:16I have more news coming.
14:22For anyone who has any doubts, Pakistan is not stopping.
14:27But it's a responsibility of the government now to ensure that Pakistan's actions, its efforts to disturb Kashmir again should not be successful.
14:36Intelligence chatter is being picked up that there will be more surge.
14:40On the target could be the police personnel, the minority Kashmiri pundits who continued to be targeted.
14:48Remember, whether it was in the 1990s or even after the abrogation of Article 370, there was clear target for and against Kashmiri pundits.
14:56Non-locals, whether it was a banker, Vijay Kumar, whether it was a labourer from Uttar Pradesh, were targeted once they were identified as non-locals.
15:07Now, remember, this is not to sound alarming, I reiterate, but it is important to understand that Pakistan is not done with one massacre.
15:15They'll infiltrate more terrorists, they'll activate their sleeper cells to try and harm more people.
15:22Terrorists, there are small weapons already with some of the sleeper cells and terrorists on the ground.
15:28The plot will be to target other employees in the valley as well.
15:33So, do expect that there could be a heightened security, there could be restriction in movements as well.
15:40And please understand that it's at a time like this that the security forces will be on the job to ensure no such incident happens again in the Kashmir Valley.
15:50Arvind Oja, joining me for the latest on that. Arvind, these days, you are reporting on Kashmir Valley.
15:57How do you see this intel note?
16:00And the pattern of Pakistan, it will be further?
16:06How do agencies spoil it?
16:08How do agents file, help them?
16:09How do you see this attack?
16:11How do agents file?
16:12How do agents file?
16:13This is a download of India Today.
16:14Again, there is a copy of India Today.
16:15And the idea of India Today.
16:16This one has a copy of India Today.
16:17In April, it is a copy of India Today.
16:18For you recall, the fires of April.
16:19It is a terrorist government that the attack on the region.
16:20After the attack, a terrorist terrorist terrorist that has been tracked,
16:25it has a little arms.
16:27And it is non-locals.
16:28As in Kashmir and non-locals, the non-cashmirists can be used by the 싶
16:32गिंट नोकल में यह भी बताया गया था कि जो रेलवे के आफिसर्स है।
16:54आपको बताऊं कि 12 दिन पहले जम्मू कश्मीर पुलिस ने एक ऐड़ वाइजिरी जारी कि पुलिस करें कि molecules
17:01The government of the police, this is the police, the police to be alerted for the police.
17:06In the case of advisory, you see that the military's house is now in the case of the IED.
17:15The terrorist's house will be exposed to target killing.
17:19In the case of the internet, India Today has access to ISI's intelligence agencies,
17:28In Jammu Kashmir, the non-Kashmiri, non-local police, CID, railway officer, the terrorist can make a small arm from small arms.
17:43That's why Pooja got alert.
17:58It's available to many, have actually done that in the past few years, so there will be more caution that we can expect.
18:05Senior officers in the Jammu Kashmir police, in the agencies, have revealed that the kind of massacre that was carried out is not simply by a young, radicalized terrorist who's possibly recently taken up guns.
18:31These were trained army commandos, or at least that so appears, with regard to the manner in which the strategy was carried out and the way people were butchered.
18:4223 Hindus, 2 Christians and 1 local Kashmiri Muslim too.
18:45Latest findings do reveal that terrorists by the name of Hashim Musa, as the details are emerging as the agencies believe, was not just a terrorist, so to say.
18:56He was a regular member of the Pakistan army and had training in combat.
19:01And that you see in the manner in which the carnage was carried out.
19:05He was trained to use M4 assault rifles, for example, clearly evading capture right now.
19:11Intel report reveals that Pakistan could be planning more attacks.
19:14They will want to activate more sleeper cells.
19:16Because why should there be peace and normalcy?
19:18Why should there be, not just tourists, but why would Kashmiris not be in chaos and commotion that Pakistan could misuse all these decades?
19:25How are Kashmiris going on about their life with peace, with normalcy and a good future?
19:31The valley becoming fortified again.
19:34Remember, there could be restriction on movements.
19:36There have been some tourist spots that have been immediately shut in the aftermath.
19:40And areas from where boots on the ground had reduced.
19:43But with that massacre realization that Pakistan is going to use any loophole.
19:47India, remember, also has deployed certain strike units, special forces as well, to combat any of these terror attacks.
19:54But you can expect a heightened security in the days to come.
19:58At the Dull Lake, Gulmark, Srinagar and more.
20:00Congress is charging at the government with posters, words and more.
20:13But did they think this through?
20:17There is a poster that they appear to be throwing as a jibe to Prime Minister Modi.
20:24Now, what is so odd about this poster?
20:27Observers are immediately pointing out that while the poster says Gaya, which is missing, absent, targeting Prime Minister Modi.
20:36But what is the most eerie sort of visual that comes to your mind?
20:41Look at the Pakistan diplomat who showed a Sar Tanse Juda slaughter gesture to the Indian protesters.
20:49The Congress party, without showing a face, only a body, says Gaya.
20:54Who are they referring to?
20:56Observers say it is a jibe at the top leadership of the government, that it's Gaya, it's missing.
21:02But many are asking, didn't the Congress party think this through?
21:06Isn't this a messaging of, with a headless body, basically meaning the Sar Tanse Juda, which we know radical extremists are known to not just say, but do.
21:16And as recently, as a Pakistan diplomat, made that.
21:20And BJP is charging already at the Congress party.
21:24BJP's supporters and workers are saying this is a dog whistle.
21:29Appeasement of politics.
21:30They are inciting violence.
21:32Congress says Prime Minister Modi failed to take responsibility.
21:35We are only pointing that out.
21:37BJP says, you are supporting Sar Tanse Juda.
21:40Joining me now, Aishwarya Palewal for the latest on that.
21:43Aishwarya, tell me more about this poster.
21:46What is the BJP saying?
21:47How is the Congress defending it?
21:49Well, you know, Pooja BFC, now the Congress party ultimately had to come out with a gag order.
21:57They are now asking their leaders not to speak anything.
22:00In fact, the CWC came out with an official statement.
22:03The Congress President, Malika Arjun Kargay, the leader of the opposition, Rahul Gandhi,
22:06they are now telling the leaders to make sure that you stick to the statement,
22:09the initial statement that came in from the Congress party.
22:12But we are seeing this finger pointing and the tug of war taking place between the BJP and the Congress.
22:17With regards to Congress's poster, the BJP now saying that this exactly has been what you have been doing.
22:23Your policies are always supporting Pakistan and supporting terrorism.
22:28So a big charge being made by the BJP, especially with regards to the posters that are coming in.
22:32And we are also seeing how some of the Congress leaders, in fact, are saying that if Pakistan says
22:36that they are not involved in the terror attack, then we should take their word for it.
22:40So with regards to that, Congress also internally now trying to make sure that they somehow
22:44stop their leaders from making these kind of statements.
22:47The BJP obviously picking on these statements.
22:49And now with regards to this poster, pointing fingers at the Congress and saying
22:52that you have always supported terrorism.
22:54Shwira, tell me more about this political bickering.
22:57Now, of course, there will be understandably, there will be questions posed to the government at the center.
23:01What happened? What is the strategy?
23:03And that the opposition can do.
23:05But when it comes to bizarre statements, even questioning the survivors,
23:08showing a headless body, saying gaya in the backdrop of a slaughter gesture by Pakistan diplomat.
23:15Tell us about the political bickering that started, which appeared for a week, was not happening.
23:24Well, you know, we did see, Pooja, how all the opposition parties were very, very measured.
23:29And we did see the opposition parties, especially, you know, giving out a very measured response,
23:34telling the government that we are standing behind you.
23:36And almost for a week, we have seen that happening.
23:39But now the biggest opposition parties of all, the Congress party, some of the leaders making these kind of statements,
23:43these kind of posters coming out.
23:45The government, Pooja, understands what has happened.
23:47And that's the reason why you are seeing the NIA now looking into it.
23:50And since the attack, we have seen how houses are being blown up.
23:54A list of terrorists has been made.
23:56The government making sure that they do everything in their power.
23:59The Prime Minister has been very, very clear that we will not let this go.
24:02On all the platforms, India is now pointing fingers at Pakistan,
24:05making sure that the global community now looks at Pakistan and asks Pakistan the question
24:10why they have become a safe haven for these kind of activities.
24:14So those things are being done by the BJP.
24:16But yes, the opposition, especially the Congress party, coming out with these kind of posters,
24:21it definitely is raising fingers.
24:22The BJP saying that you have always supported terrorism.
24:25And what you are doing now is also just a glimpse of your policies.
24:29Tell me more about this, Ashwarya, about this video that we are looking at.
24:32Because I'm trying to ascertain, is this by a state unit of Congress that has put out,
24:39what is the AICC saying about it?
24:42Was this officially approved by their social media chief
24:45to be able to put out?
24:47Because they say we are only asking Modi for a responsibility, accountability.
24:51He is missing in action.
24:52BJP says really a headless body at a time when the massacre has happened,
24:57where people were shot on the head and then a gesture of slaughter by park diplomats.
25:01So how is the AICC, the senior leadership of the Congress, responding to all of this?
25:06Well, Pooja, let me tell you, at the moment, the Congress party is mum.
25:13A gag order, obviously, has been placed.
25:16The Congress party believes that there is only one official statement.
25:18The statement that was discussed at the CWC, that's the official statement
25:22that Malika Arjun Kargay, the Congress president, came out with.
25:25But yes, these kind of posters, ill-timed, best to say.
25:28But some heads will definitely roll because the Congress understands what this means.
25:32And they have been very measured, standing behind the BJP.
25:35But we are seeing, at least for the past 24 hours,
25:38some of the Congress leaders have been making these kind of comments.
25:41If you remember, Pooja, Shashi Tharoor also gave out a very measured response.
25:44But within the Congress party also, some of the people were not happy
25:47with what Shashi Tharoor had said.
25:49So we are seeing those kind of tug-of wars taking place in the Congress party.
25:53Heads definitely will roll.
25:55Malika Arjun Kargay, the Congress president, LOP Rahul Gandhi,
25:58let me tell you from what we are understanding,
25:59very, very upset with these leaders, making these kind of loose comments
26:02because what has happened is very, very unfortunate.
26:04I say this, Aishwara, I can see, I can confirm,
26:06this was officially by the INC India handle,
26:09which is, remember the national unit,
26:11so it's not like a state unit or some supporter worker had put it out.
26:14This visual was officially put out by the party handle.
26:18And remember, like Aishwara is pointing out,
26:20Shashi Tharoor, Asad Udunawaisi of the AIMIM,
26:24staunch in opposition to Modi government,
26:27but made very measured statements when it came to, at least, the politics of India.
26:32However, in the backdrop of how Vijay Waditwar, the Congress MLA, has made a comment,
26:37Siddharth Amaya's minister and one of the leaders in Congress has made a very bizarre comment.
26:42Remember, you can question the government,
26:43but to be questioning the survivors,
26:46their trauma, their accounts,
26:49and placing that at a time with a poster of a headless body,
26:53was there enough research not done,
26:55at least in the background of how people have been shot in the head,
26:58literally, in front of their family members,
27:01and then put it out?
27:02Or is this fair game?
27:03Viewer, I leave it to decide.
27:05About, do you think that it's simply a poster pinning responsibility,
27:09or there were many ways possible,
27:11even the opposition to us,
27:12that what is the Modi government doing about it?
27:15Who will be held accountable?
27:16So, the BJP says,
27:18this is a deliberate attempt to throw a jibe.
27:22It's a throat-slitting gesture.
27:23It's a dog whistle for voting appeasement.
27:26Congress is inciting violence on Modi.
27:28Congress says,
27:30we are only asking Prime Minister Modi,
27:32who failed to take responsibility.
27:35We are also putting out for you,
27:37what Congress MLA, Vijay Waditwar, also said,
27:41and in many ways,
27:42remember,
27:43all of this has been quoted,
27:44even by Pakistan handles.
27:46A Pakistan leader endorsing Congress's Gaia post,
27:56not something that Pakistan leaders,
27:59that Congress would have liked right now.
28:02That a Pakistan leader,
28:03former minister,
28:04remember,
28:04this is not ordinary leader,
28:06Fawad Hussain has been a former minister in Pakistan,
28:09a senior minister,
28:10in fact.
28:10that he decides to repost on social media,
28:14reposting,
28:15basically also showing a certain endorsement.
28:18He then appreciates the naughty Congress.
28:22A jibe when the country is in mourning.
28:25Aishwarya,
28:26I bring you in here.
28:28Pakistan is clearly tracking,
28:30whether there are influencers,
28:33there are leaders,
28:33who are making some comment,
28:35that they are readily picking up on.
28:38And it's happened,
28:38Fawad Hussain,
28:39very active on social media,
28:40SITEX,
28:41picks on this.
28:42Do you think BJP is going to absolutely jump on this?
28:48Well,
28:49definitely,
28:49you know,
28:50we will see the Bharti Janta party,
28:51pointing fingers,
28:52and saying that these are exactly the kind of statements,
28:54that should not be coming from India.
28:56And see,
28:56Pakistan,
28:57Pooja,
28:57obviously,
28:57on all the global platforms.
28:59In fact,
28:59they went ahead and said,
29:01that you should be asking the army,
29:02where was the army?
29:03That is what Pakistan is saying,
29:04that you cannot be blaming us.
29:06Completely spooked,
29:07Pooja,
29:08if that's a word that I can use for Pakistan,
29:10at the moment,
29:10they are completely spooked.
29:12But yes,
29:12the one question,
29:13that we are seeing coming in from Pakistan,
29:15now that they are asking India,
29:17that if your own leaders are saying like this,
29:19then you need to look at what exactly is happening in India,
29:21because Pakistan does not want the global spotlight,
29:24to be on what's happening there.
29:27They are spooked,
29:27and we are seeing these kind of statements,
29:29coming in from the top leaders.
29:30They in fact are telling the world,
29:32that India might try to make sure,
29:34that somehow incursions happen.
29:36Internally also,
29:37Pakistani leaders have been making statements,
29:39telling the people,
29:39that it is India that is at fault,
29:41and saying that India should actually be asking questions,
29:44they should be looking at the loopholes,
29:46instead of pointing fingers at Pakistan.
29:48So this definitely is something,
29:49that the BJP does not want coming in,
29:51from any political party,
29:52from any leader,
29:53especially given the number of people,
29:55who were massacred on 22nd of April.
29:57Alright,
29:57so this is what has come in,
29:59a Pakistan leader,
30:00also now appreciating,
30:02sharing these images,
30:03and this remember,
30:05is a realization in many ways,
30:09about how careful,
30:10some in the opposition,
30:12also have to be.
30:14So that is what has happened,
30:15and this remember,
30:17is at a time,
30:18when political bickering,
30:20is going on.
30:20Now,
30:21there is a gag order,
30:22remember though,
30:23to not make bizarre comments.
30:25Questioning Prime Minister Modi,
30:26or the Modi government,
30:27is an understandable opposition strategy,
30:29that will happen.
30:31But,
30:31can you really put out,
30:32a headless body at a time,
30:35when people have been shot in the head,
30:36when Sartan Seh Jooda,
30:38slaughter gestures are being thrown out,
30:40by Pakistan diplomats,
30:43no less,
30:43an army officer,
30:44no less,
30:44and where Pakistan,
30:45remember with its radical extremists,
30:47have been known,
30:48to target,
30:50individuals,
30:52innocent people,
30:53even soldiers,
30:54with regard,
30:55to these torture,
30:57that we have reported,
30:58in the past as well.
31:00So that is what has happened,
31:01we are staying on,
31:02with this big story.
31:03Tell me more about,
31:05what the BJP is saying,
31:06on this Aishwarya,
31:08because BJP,
31:09even though there has been,
31:10as like you are rightly pointing out,
31:12Rahul Gandhi,
31:13and Malika Arjun Khadgi,
31:14are not happy,
31:15with the comments,
31:15that are coming in,
31:17and with the bizarre statements,
31:18even questioning survivors,
31:19by some of the leaders,
31:20like Saifuddin Sos,
31:21and Vijay Waditwar.
31:22But despite all of this,
31:24some faux pas,
31:25comes at a time,
31:26from Congress.
31:27How do you think,
31:27the BJP will escalate that,
31:29especially?
31:34Well,
31:34BJP has always been,
31:36looking at Congress,
31:36and saying that,
31:37you should see,
31:38what happened,
31:38when you were ruling.
31:40We at the moment,
31:41are trying to make sure,
31:41that we minimize the damage,
31:43and also,
31:43we will give a befitting reply.
31:45If you remember,
31:45Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
31:47was in Bihar,
31:48he spoke in Hindi,
31:49and then especially,
31:49to give the world,
31:50a message,
31:51that India will not,
31:52let this go.
31:53Spoke in English,
31:54and said,
31:54that we will go,
31:55to the ends of the world,
31:56to find out,
31:57who did this,
31:57and this time,
31:58we will not leave,
31:59any single person.
32:00All the people,
32:01from the starting,
32:02of,
32:03you know,
32:03who began,
32:04with this,
32:05the people who were there,
32:06who killed them,
32:07everyone,
32:08will now be looked at,
32:09and that's the reason,
32:10why we are seeing,
32:10these kind of lists,
32:11also being made.
32:1214 of the people,
32:13now,
32:13at government target agencies,
32:15are closing in,
32:16so all those are the things,
32:17that the government,
32:18at the moment,
32:18is looking at,
32:19but when these kind of statements,
32:20these kind of pictures,
32:21come in from the Congress,
32:22it actually gives Pakistan,
32:24some kind of breathing space.
32:26They are now,
32:26picking it up,
32:27and saying,
32:28that we had seen,
32:29how Gadeke,
32:30sirse seeng gaya hai,
32:31but now,
32:32what we are seeing,
32:32and this is what,
32:33a Pakistani minister is saying,
32:34that now we are seeing,
32:35that it is Prime Minister Modi,
32:36whose face,
32:37whose bureau face,
32:38has been removed,
32:39by none other,
32:40than the Congress party,
32:41so this definitely,
32:42will be the beginning,
32:43of big war of wars,
32:44between the BJP,
32:45and the Congress,
32:45Congress yes,
32:46definitely will have to,
32:47find a way,
32:48to damage control this,
32:49the gag order,
32:50already in place,
32:51but now,
32:51without any statements,
32:52Pakistan leader,
32:54he has been a PTI leader,
32:56he was a former minister,
32:57as well in the government,
32:58and he has,
32:59made a very objectionable,
33:00statement though,
33:01a jibe,
33:02a joke,
33:03and then has given a hashtag,
33:04a naughty Congress,
33:07BJP is attacking,
33:08this post,
33:09by the INC India,
33:11social media handle,
33:12and BJP says,
33:14Congress neetahs,
33:15are like Pakistan's,
33:16sleeper cells,
33:18viewers,
33:18political bickering,
33:19has started for a week,
33:20all politicians,
33:21were all on the same page,
33:22but Congress and BJP,
33:23are at it this time,
33:24and it's not simply,
33:25about questioning,
33:26the government,
33:26it's taking turns,
33:28to a level,
33:29where perhaps,
33:29it's not only embarrassing,
33:31but Pakistan,
33:32is picking on this,
33:33the BJP,
33:34has now put out,
33:35that poster,
33:35in turn,
33:36BJP says,
33:37Congress neetahs,
33:38are acting like,
33:38Pakistan's sleeper cells,
33:39they are giving cover fire,
33:40for Pakistan terrorists,
33:42it's a new low,
33:43at a time when,
33:44remember,
33:44the country should be united,
33:46now what has happened is,
33:47look closely on the screen,
33:48what the BJP did,
33:49not wasting any time,
33:51has picked on the faces,
33:52from the Congress,
33:54whether Maharashtra,
33:55Jammu Kashmir,
33:56or including,
33:57from Karnataka,
33:58that they have made,
33:59bizarre comments,
33:59like questioning,
34:00survivor accounts,
34:01at least,
34:02two to three leaders said,
34:04including Vijay Vaditwar,
34:05and the one,
34:06from Karnataka,
34:08I don't believe,
34:09Hindu religion was asked,
34:10I don't think,
34:11the terrorists,
34:11have the time,
34:12to stand there,
34:13and ask for a religion,
34:14they were just simply,
34:16targeting,
34:17and simply,
34:17were firing,
34:18if it was simply,
34:19firing,
34:20remember,
34:21specifically,
34:2123 Hindus,
34:22and two Christians,
34:23wouldn't have died,
34:24survivors have maintained,
34:25that their religion was asked,
34:27then,
34:27Saifuddin Soz,
34:28who had said,
34:28if the Pakistan,
34:29as a nation,
34:30are saying,
34:31that they haven't done,
34:33this massacre,
34:33we should take the word for it,
34:34we should continue talks,
34:36that's why,
34:37the congress leadership saying,
34:38hold your horses,
34:40this is not the time,
34:41to be giving out the statements,
34:42all these faces now,
34:43Aishwarya,
34:44on a poster,
34:46saying PR agents,
34:47so BJP also,
34:48remember,
34:48BJP government,
34:49is also facing the heat,
34:50over what happened,
34:52in Pahlgaam,
34:52but it's the political,
34:53bickering between,
34:54congress and BJP,
34:55we are at it again,
34:56what is the need of the hour,
35:03that's something,
35:03that all the political parties,
35:04should be asking,
35:05the need of the hour,
35:06is to make sure,
35:07that we stand behind,
35:08India,
35:09that we stand behind,
35:10what the government,
35:11is doing,
35:11because the idea,
35:12is very very clear,
35:13to give a befitting reply,
35:14to Pakistan,
35:15everyone knows,
35:16in our country,
35:17globally,
35:17everyone knows,
35:18that it is Pakistan,
35:19that's the state,
35:20that is behind,
35:20this terror attack,
35:21that has taken place,
35:2226 innocent people,
35:24who were out there,
35:25they were killed,
35:26because of terrorism,
35:27they were singled out,
35:29Hindus were being,
35:30looked at,
35:30they were being asked,
35:31to recite the Kalmas,
35:32all these things,
35:33this is the need of the hour,
35:35but these kind of posters,
35:36these kind of statements,
35:37actually show,
35:38that India is not united,
35:39and this is exactly,
35:40Pooja,
35:40what Pakistan also,
35:41at the moment,
35:42is looking at,
35:42that's why you are seeing,
35:44Favad Khan,
35:44so quick at picking it up,
35:46congress handle,
35:47and retweeting about it,
35:48and saying,
35:49that you know,
35:49we have seen a lot of things,
35:51but seeing this,
35:51for the first time,
35:52Prime Minister Modi's face,
35:54has been removed,
35:55by the Congress party,
35:55the BJP,
35:56let me tell you,
35:57will not let this go,
35:57but also,
35:58this points fingers,
36:00at the opposition parties,
36:02they need to be measured,
36:03in their response,
36:03they need to be quiet,
36:04at the moment,
36:05and seek answers,
36:06yes,
36:07definitely seek answers,
36:08but at the appropriate time,
36:09at the moment,
36:10the focus,
36:10should be to make sure,
36:11that each and every perpetrator,
36:13is killed,
36:13and justice,
36:14is given to those 28 families.
36:16It's not just about,
36:17Fawad Hussain Chaudhary,
36:18it's also about,
36:19all Pakistan leaders,
36:20and Pakistan social media,
36:22on online,
36:24social media handles,
36:25are indulging,
36:25in a misinformation warfare,
36:27and I say that,
36:28because viewer,
36:29Pakistan has nothing better to do,
36:31they are tracking,
36:32how Indians are reacting,
36:34so,
36:34if there are,
36:35certain objectionable statements,
36:37that are coming in,
36:38Pakistan is amplifying it,
36:40to say,
36:41look,
36:41India did it,
36:42look,
36:42India is lying,
36:43look,
36:44Indians are lying,
36:45look,
36:45Modi government,
36:45has done this,
36:46and therefore,
36:47perhaps,
36:48it's very pertinent,
36:49that there may be,
36:50political question,
36:51and answers,
36:52and accountability,
36:52that will be asked,
36:54but,
36:55do the netas,
36:56at least,
36:56have to be a little more sensitive,
36:58when you're talking about,
36:59people,
37:00who were shot in the head,
37:02women and children,
37:02who watched their fathers,
37:04who watched their family members,
37:06butchered in front of them,
37:08I leave this to you,
37:09to the viewer,
37:10to decide,
37:11is this an apt image,
37:12about,
37:13referring to,
37:14as clearly it appears,
37:15the top leadership of the government,
37:17a headless body,
37:18saying missing,
37:20and then BJP comes in,
37:21with congress is equal to,
37:23Pakistan's PR agents,
37:32and why this is concerning,
37:34remember,
37:34this isn't just about,
37:35a headless body,
37:36there's a lot of background,
37:38a pattern to it,
37:39not only about,
37:40the gory details,
37:41of the massacre on the ground,
37:43but also,
37:43with a Pakistan diplomat,
37:46holding,
37:47one of our officers images,
37:49and then to the Indian protesters,
37:52out on the streets,
37:53outside Pakistan commission,
37:54this is from London,
37:56gestures of clothes,
37:57written,
37:58gestures of slaughter,
38:00remember,
38:01there is a certain,
38:02dignity that comes,
38:03with a diplomatic position,
38:05especially when you're,
38:06from the army,
38:07irrespective,
38:07even Pakistan army,
38:08or Indian army,
38:10there is a dignity,
38:10that comes,
38:11to individuals,
38:12of that stature,
38:13but,
38:16when you can,
38:17show a slaughter,
38:18a gesture like that,
38:19and then a poster,
38:20like this comes in,
38:22it begs a question,
38:24are those,
38:24in social media team,
38:26of Congress party,
38:27not thinking this through,
38:29Sardar,
38:29R.P. Singh is joining me,
38:30from the BJP,
38:31on the phone line,
38:33R.P. Singh,
38:33let me ask you this,
38:35what is wrong,
38:35with this poster,
38:36asking that,
38:38your leadership is missing,
38:39is Gaya,
38:40that's why,
38:41the Congress party,
38:41has put out this poster,
38:42asking questions,
38:43to the Modi government,
38:44well,
38:46this clearly shows,
38:47their intent,
38:48that they are supporting,
38:49a particular community,
38:50Sartan Sajoda community,
38:51which chanted,
38:52the slogan of Sartan Sajoda,
38:53and they are trying to,
38:55send a message to them,
38:57that we are with you,
38:58and also,
38:59that one hand,
39:00they say that,
39:00we are with the government,
39:01in the meeting,
39:02they categorically,
39:03said they are with the government,
39:03another hand,
39:04the leaders,
39:05come and openly,
39:06support Pakistan,
39:07so for them shows,
39:08so for them shows,
39:09this is a important thing,
39:10that let's accept,
39:11the version of the Pakistan,
39:14if they are saying,
39:14that they are not involved,
39:16let's accept,
39:16that they are not involved,
39:17other leaders,
39:18Siddhar Ramayya,
39:19and others are raising questions,
39:21one of the leaders,
39:21from Himachal,
39:23is saying that,
39:24this is all being,
39:26done with,
39:27mutual understanding,
39:30so this clearly shows,
39:31that what is the real intent,
39:33I mean,
39:33they are,
39:34the supporters of Pakistan,
39:35they are people,
39:36who do double speak,
39:38one hand they say that,
39:39we are with the government of India,
39:40on the other hand,
39:41they hold the dagger at the back,
39:42and then,
39:43whenever the instructions come,
39:44they hit the,
39:46the government of India,
39:47or they hit the,
39:47the intent of the government,
39:50Siddhar Ramayya,
39:50he is saying the,
39:51party president,
39:52Malika Arjun Khadge,
39:54LOP Rahul Gandhi,
39:55seem to be reportedly upset,
39:57with these bizarre comments,
39:58that are coming in,
39:59they say that,
40:00it is clearly not,
40:01what the congress party,
40:02is saying,
40:03officially,
40:03then what do you think,
40:04is happening?
40:06Well,
40:07as I said,
40:08they have,
40:09one side,
40:10they say,
40:11they are supporting the government,
40:13and other side,
40:13people like Sos,
40:14say that,
40:15let's accept the version of the Pakistan,
40:17as,
40:17he has a proper brief from Pakistan,
40:20on what is happening,
40:22and this,
40:22and this,
40:23poster of their,
40:24or this tweet of their,
40:26clearly shows that,
40:27what they intend to do,
40:29when they,
40:29are being quoted,
40:31this tweet has been quoted,
40:32by the politicians,
40:34and the people,
40:35in social media,
40:35in Pakistan,
40:36their leader's statement,
40:38has been quoted,
40:39by the leaders in Pakistan,
40:40I remember,
40:41after,
40:42the abrogation of C-77,
40:43the next day,
40:44Mr. Raul Gandhi,
40:46went on record,
40:46and said that,
40:47there's bloodbath,
40:47which is happening in Kashmir,
40:49and the same was quoted,
40:50by Imran Khan,
40:51in the UN Assembly,
40:52so,
40:53this is their,
40:54ongoing habit,
40:55I mean,
40:56they,
40:56one hand,
40:57one hand,
40:58they would say,
40:58that we support the government,
40:59of India,
41:00or we support the India,
41:00another hand,
41:01they speak the language,
41:02of Pakistan,
41:03I mean,
41:03they are holding dagger,
41:04at their back.
41:05All right,
41:06R.P. Singh,
41:06BJP spokesperson,
41:08thank you,
41:08for your views,
41:10remember,
41:10it's one aspect,
41:11to question the government,
41:13or the ruling party,
41:14another to question,
41:14survivors who are in trauma,
41:16and to Vijay Vaditwar's point,
41:18there are,
41:19literally,
41:20from Pune,
41:21from Maharashtra,
41:22the survivors,
41:23who have said,
41:25that there was,
41:26religion asked,
41:27karma was asked,
41:27to be recited,
41:28Islamic verses,
41:29and when,
41:30of course,
41:30the victims could not,
41:32they were shot dead,
41:32what is happening,
41:33with some of our leaders,
41:34what is with this insensitivity,
41:37listen in now though,
41:38to what senior leaders,
41:39of the congress party,
41:40are saying right now,
41:41we are going to be,
42:13There is now a demand that has come in from the Congress party to have a special parliament session
42:40where solidarity, unity, collective voice can come in and a discussion on what happened in Pahlga.
42:48But two Congress leaders, in fact I would say three, have led to a lot of headache for the senior leadership.
42:55Remarks have triggered an uproar in political circles.
42:58Senior Congress leader from Jammu Kashmir, who is literally a Congress veteran, Saifuddin Sos,
43:02appears to say that if Pakistan claims they have no role, we should take their word for it.
43:07Then there is Vijay Vaditwar, who is even questioning the survivor accounts of that,
43:13that there was clearly communal overtone here.
43:16Sources are telling us that the senior leadership, Malikar Junkhargay Party President, LOP Rahul Gandhi,
43:22have given out a gag order, also adding that CWC resolution has been cleared,
43:27that's only party's official stand and to not make these bizarre objectionable comments.
43:31Malikar Junkhargay even responded to questions on Congress' patriotism being questioned by the BJP.
43:37He said Indira and Rajiv Gandhi have sacrificed their life for India.
43:42Congress doesn't have to elaborate on patriotism.
44:01As we know theатели of the war, we have to maintain the support of the army as well.
44:11Now we are from a long time alone.
44:14Congress does not have to elaborate on the rights of this issue.
44:18अकलेश यादव, राहूल गांदी और सिद्धर अमय्या और ये तेजस्वी यादव ये सब ऐसे लोग हैं जब जब कोई भारत पर हमला होता है या भारत की फोजों पर हमला होता है तो ये आतंकवादियों के साथ खड़े हो जाते हैं
44:41कॉंग्रेस के कुछ नेता तो आईएसाई के साथ खड़ें चीन के साथ खड़ें और चीन पाकिस्तान के साथ खड़ा है ये दुरभाग गया इस लोगत अंतरका
44:51इसी स्थिती में नेताओं से प्रार्थना है कि कम से कम राजनेतिक बयान मत दीजिए अभी समिक्षा का वक्त नहीं है अभी पीडित परिवार के साथ खड़ा रहना और देश की जनता की जो उमीद है कि परतिकार हो जिन लोगों ने ऐसी दुशासिक घटना की है उसको जम
45:21हम नहीं उतारते हैं हमारा कोई रवया आज तक कांग्रेस पार्टी का राष्टर के हीत में कभी भी सौप्ट अप्रोच नहीं रहा वोई कांग्रेस पार्टी की प्रधान मंतरी थी इंदिराजी जिसने पाकिस्तान के दो टुकडे कर दिये पर उसके नाम पे फौज की बा
45:51टिये ग्ली टेक्टी का वसे कांग्रेस फच्टी का डास लिए झालंवा बाचांग्रेस विड़ाग्रमािन पार्टी का चींटू पर लेय चौका यूज कघजमेंवार से लिए पी झालनी डिका लित अर टोर्टी का की बाने इत।
46:16It's not even been a week since Pakistani terrorists killed 26 tourists in Kashmir's
46:24Pahlgaam.
46:25Every survivor had the same horror story to tell.
46:32Non-Hindus were specifically targeted.
46:35But some congressnetas still choose to believe that this hunting of Hindus by terrorists
47:01couldn't be possible.
47:31Then there was veteran congress leader Saifuddin Sos who was more worried about the fate of
47:45Pakistan.
47:46Whatever the condition, whatever the situation on surface, dialogue and discussion has to
47:55take place.
47:56So many countries of the world can help us.
48:00Even the United Nations, they will help us to open the dialogue and discussion.
48:05Pakistan can be told clearly that you can't have it both ways.
48:13Karnataka chief minister also triggered outrage.
48:16Karnataka chief minister also triggered outrage.
48:20The back-to-back statements by congress leaders provided fresh ammunition to the BJP.
48:41The back-to-back statements by congress leaders provided fresh ammunition to the BJP.
48:48The back-to-back statements by the
49:18qq.
49:19The back-to-back statements by the
49:47The Congress has distanced itself from the controversial comments of its netas.
50:09What we have said, there have been security lapses, there have been intelligence failures.
50:15However, we need unity, we need solidarity, we need a collective will, we need a collective
50:22response and we need constant communication between the government and the opposition.
50:31At a time when India is seething and demanding action against Pakistan and its terror proxies,
50:38shouldn't the country's politicians unite?
50:43Bureau Report, India Today.
50:55No Supreme Court relief for the former Gujarat top cop.
50:58The Supreme Court denied bail to former IPS officer Sanjeev Bhatt.
51:02Sanjeev Bhatt has been serving a life term in a 1990 custody death case.
51:08Supreme Court though has expedited Bhatt's plea against the life term.
51:12Also, so this remember has, and this is not just simply an ordinary case, this has had
51:18political overtones.
51:20Also, while it was a very serious case of custody death in 1990 and in the past few years since
51:28the arrest there have been bails that have been denied for the former IPS officer.
51:34But it had been, especially with regard to BJP and opposition, political bickering on this
51:42as well.
51:43A legal correspondent Anisha Mathur joins me for the latest on that.
51:46Anisha, go ahead, what is the reasoning this time, give us details.
51:54The court has declined to grant bail or suspend the life sentence that was imposed on a former
52:11IPS officer Sanjeev Bhatt.
52:13So, remember this is a custodial death case that dates back to 1990 when he was the additional
52:20assistant superintendent to police in Jamnagar, where about 140 odd people had been taken
52:26into custody when riots had broken out in Jamnagar after L.K. Advani's Yatra.
52:32Now, one of these persons who was taken into custody, Prabhuda Vaishnani, he succumbed to his
52:39injuries.
52:40He allegedly was injured due to assault in the jail while in police custody and he died
52:47about 18 days after he was arrested.
52:51Following that, an FIR was registered against Sanjeev Bhatt and several other police personnel
52:57and in 2024, the Gujarat High Court had upheld the life sentence against Sanjeev Bhatt and other
53:06police personnel.
53:07Today, after almost a year of hearing, the Supreme Court has declined bail but has said
53:12that the appeal against her conviction will be heard in an expeditious manner.
53:17Anisha will be tracking all the latest on that.
53:19I think.
53:20I think.
53:21I think that I do think it's a good thing.
53:22I think it's a good thing.
53:23I think that that's going to be a good thing.
53:24I think that's I agree with you.
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