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Aishwarya Dwivedi, wife of Pahalgam terror victim Shubham Dwivedi, has spoken out following ‘Operation Sindoor,’ expressing pride in the Indian Army for targeting terror camps in Pakistan, including Muridganj and Bahawalpur.
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00:00as the government and the opposition gets set to discuss the Pehelgaam terror attack and Operation Sindur,
00:09the victims, the families, they are looking at how India responds to Pakistan and the world when it comes to that terror attack.
00:20Shubham Dvivedi was a 31-year-old businessman from Kanpur.
00:24He'd been married to Aishanya Dvivedi on the 12th of February this year.
00:29And Shubham was sadly shot dead by these terrorists in Pehelgaam.
00:34The couple were in Kashmir, along with nine family members.
00:38This was a week-long holiday.
00:40They'd visited Sonmarg, they'd visited Gulmarg and then they reached Pehelgaam.
00:44And Aishanya had recounted how they sought help from locals in Kashmir,
00:50asking them to escort her elderly parents to safety.
00:54But they refused.
00:55They said, we are not your horsemen.
00:59And they did not help.
01:01Aishanya Dvivedi now joins me on this special broadcast.
01:05And Aishanya, thank you very much for speaking to India today.
01:09When this debate happens in Parliament,
01:12what is it that you would want our members of Parliament to discuss
01:18when it comes to the Pehelgaam terror attack and Operation Sindhoor?
01:23Are there questions in your mind, Aishanya?
01:24The first question is, what they are doing and what they will do about the terrorists?
01:34Because it is something which is eating India, eating the world.
01:40And it's growing like something.
01:42It's growing every day.
01:44It's growing in every corner of the world.
01:46And we need to come together to do something about it.
01:49First is that.
01:50And the second, what are they doing about the 26 people?
01:54As you also know, as I have been telling it out loud everywhere,
01:58that I want a martyr, martyr symbol for him.
02:04But here I request that, and I also am waiting for the day that they'll give some respect.
02:12They'll honor the 26 people.
02:14They honor these 26 men who died.
02:17They honor these 26 Indians, these 26 Hindus who actually died due to this terrorist,
02:25due to this terrorist attack.
02:27And third, they should do something against Pakistan.
02:29Pakistan, now it's high time, Pakistan should stop anything against India.
02:36They should be scared as hell to do anything, to even think about anything doing against India.
02:43They should do something like that.
02:45But when you have a former home minister of India,
02:49when he says, where is proof that this was Pakistan,
02:54it could be homegrown terrorists.
02:55Or when some congress leader says, were terrorists airdropped?
02:59Were they airlifted?
03:00Us sameh aapke man mein kya utta hai?
03:03That is there, are we giving a clean chit to Pakistan?
03:06Are some people in our country giving a clean chit to Pakistan?
03:10I don't know why.
03:11When it comes to terrorists, everybody say it's Pakistan.
03:15But there are few people in our own country.
03:18I don't want to say that it's political things, it's this or that.
03:22Coming down, it's India, it's one nation thing.
03:26If somebody is doing this, saying, they asked that there,
03:32are you Hindu, are you Muslim?
03:34They did that.
03:36And also there are few Pakistan terrorist camps,
03:40I don't actually know the right names.
03:43They are taking the responsibility of this.
03:45Still, there are few people in India who are saying,
03:48it's not Pakistan, give a proof.
03:50When this will happen with them, I think then they will get the proof.
03:54I think then they will understand that it is a terrorist attack
03:58and it has been done by Pakistan.
04:01Waiting for this to happen, it hurts.
04:04It hurts like something.
04:05When somebody says, how can somebody from their own country do this?
04:10No, it's them.
04:12It's Pakistanis, they are doing it.
04:14Terrorism means Pakistan.
04:16You're absolutely right.
04:20Terrorism means Pakistan.
04:21And India is a victim of terrorism from Pakistan for decades.
04:25It's surprising that we have leaders who...
04:27And still people come and say this.
04:28Still people come and say it.
04:30It's a give proof.
04:31How to give a proof?
04:32This is a big proof.
04:34It's been done to 26 people.
04:35We are speaking it.
04:37It is a proof.
04:38That is true.
04:40You've suffered.
04:41You were there.
04:42You saw what happened to Shubham.
04:45And yet we have people, you know, who speak like that.
04:48Does this then end up helping Pakistan?
04:50Instead of taking hard action against Pakistan,
04:52instead of entire country speaking in one voice,
04:55does India look divided, Aishanya, to you?
04:57Look, right now, I know that the actual leaders who are standing,
05:03they are the ones who are standing against Pakistan.
05:07The people who are saying these things,
05:09their voice will not even matter.
05:15What kind of a debate would you want in parliament?
05:18What would you want to come out of this parliamentary debate
05:21so that Pakistan knows it dare not attack our country?
05:24Or what is it that you want, Aishanya?
05:25Whatever debate it should be,
05:29it should not be political first,
05:32which I really request.
05:34It is not politics.
05:35It is Indian.
05:36It is us.
05:37It is us.
05:38As a nation, we should stand united.
05:40It is very important to realize that
05:43the 26 people died there.
05:45These 26 people are martyr.
05:47They need to understand.
05:49They need to talk about this.
05:50They need to talk about the respect they want to give
05:52to these 26 people.
05:54We as a family are sitting at our home
05:57with all the hopes that they will give some respect.
06:00They will come out and say,
06:02yes, we respect these 26 people
06:04and this, this, this we are doing for them.
06:06And when this happened on the 22nd of April
06:11and then when the Indian armed forces,
06:14they went and hit nine terror training camps,
06:17including at Bahawalpur and Mureedke.
06:19I am sure you were watching it on television.
06:21I am sure you heard of it.
06:23What went through your mind and heart
06:25that time, Aishanya?
06:26Look, I have always, always had faith in Indian army.
06:32Our army is very, very strong.
06:35If they go there,
06:38they can finish Pakistan in seconds.
06:40I have that much trust in our Indian army.
06:43What they did,
06:44they were very much devastated after the incident.
06:48I even had word with two, three army members
06:52right after the incident.
06:53They were so angry.
06:55They were so angry.
06:57And they did it.
06:58They showed it to us.
07:00They did their part.
07:01Now it's the government.
07:03Now it's the,
07:04it's this nation who needs to do their part.
07:06They need to,
07:07they need to show that,
07:09yes, these 26 lives matter.
07:11They will do something with the,
07:14for the people.
07:15Because now,
07:16I,
07:17what is happening nowadays
07:18that people forget.
07:20People are forgetting.
07:21Sadly.
07:22And I don't want,
07:23don't want anyone.
07:25Why am I,
07:26I do not have this much courage
07:28that I come up every time
07:29on a camera and talk.
07:31I'm not somebody who speaks.
07:33I'm not somebody who is,
07:34who has been known to this.
07:36But I'm coming,
07:36because I don't want people to forget this.
07:39I don't want people to forget Pahlgaam.
07:41I don't want people to forget Shubham.
07:44He is a martyr
07:45and a people should say it.
07:47I'm just waiting for the government
07:49to do something.
07:50I'm waiting for the day
07:51to get over with a relax
07:53that yes,
07:54something good came out of this debate.
07:56Something for the people
07:57came out of this debate.
07:59And when,
08:00you know,
08:01so when we were reporting
08:02Operation Sindur,
08:04first,
08:05it was the targeting of
08:06nine terrorist training camps
08:08including at Mureetke and Bahawalpur.
08:10And then,
08:10when Pakistan tried to hit back
08:12the targeting of
08:1311 Pakistani airbases
08:15including the use
08:16of BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles
08:18or targeting of,
08:20you know,
08:21their main airbases,
08:22Noor Khan,
08:23Raheem Yahr Khan,
08:24Rafiki,
08:25you know,
08:26Mushaf,
08:26Bolari,
08:27in Sindh.
08:28did that,
08:31in your view,
08:32send across that message to Pakistan
08:34that India will hit terror at source?
08:37It did.
08:39It did.
08:39It did.
08:40And the best thing is,
08:42I'm really proud
08:44that I'm an Indian.
08:45I'm really proud
08:46that I,
08:47that I am home
08:48and there's Indian army
08:51standing there.
08:52They will protect us.
08:54the way they respond
08:55to every single,
08:57every single drone,
08:59every single attack
09:00from Pakistan.
09:02This is how you fight.
09:04This is the way
09:04you should fight.
09:05Not by killing
09:06the innocent.
09:08Pakistan,
09:09they,
09:09they are losers.
09:10actually my words,
09:12they are losers.
09:13They do not know
09:14how to do it.
09:15They do not know
09:16that,
09:17in Hindi,
09:18we call Kair.
09:20Kair.
09:20Kair is Pakistan.
09:22I agree.
09:22That's why
09:24our country
09:25attacks
09:26those people
09:27who are
09:28who are
09:29doing there.
09:31We are going to
09:31go there,
09:32going to go there.
09:33You attack
09:34there.
09:35You attack
09:35people.
09:36No Kair.
09:37No Kair.
09:38You have to fight.
09:38You have to fight.
09:38You have to fight like that.
09:40You have to fight
09:41on the streets.
09:41You have to fight
09:42in this way.
09:43Because they will
09:44know they will not
09:45save.
09:45They will not
09:45leave the Indian army.
09:48That's why
09:49they fight
09:49in this way.
09:51But today,
09:52my question is
09:53just this.
09:54Today,
09:54the debate
09:55is happening.
09:55Today,
09:56the debate
09:57is happening.
09:59Whatever
10:00is going to
10:01happen,
10:01I don't know.
10:02But I am still
10:03having a faith
10:04that something
10:06good will
10:07come out of this.
10:08This 26
10:09jane
10:09will not
10:10go out of this.
10:10They will
10:11do something
10:12out of respect.
10:14They will
10:14martyr.
10:15We are
10:16standing.
10:16We are
10:17standing for
10:18martyrs.
10:19And I want
10:20something to
10:22good come out
10:23of this.
10:23Some respect.
10:24Something.
10:25We as
10:26family are
10:26waiting.
10:26I don't
10:27know.
10:28I don't
10:29know.
10:30when Pakistan comes to clean shit, it feels bad?
10:33Absolutely sir, why not?
10:36Perhaps it doesn't happen with them,
10:38that's why they don't understand them.
10:40Perhaps they will understand when someone comes to their home.
10:44And that's why I'm saying, sir,
10:47because I don't want someone to become someone else.
10:50I don't want someone to go 26 years back.
10:54I don't want someone to be in India.
10:57That's why I'm saying.
10:59I don't have any strength in my mind.
11:01But my reason is that this terrorism should stop.
11:07What did we have to kill more Pakistan?
11:10We have to kill more.
11:12We have to kill more.
11:14This is absolutely true.
11:17But we have to go strategically,
11:20which is the right thing.
11:22We have to understand some things in India.
11:24And we, you and me, are a smaller part of it.
11:27The Indian army is a bigger part of it.
11:29They know when to attack, what to do, what strategies they have to make.
11:35And accordingly, they do it.
11:37I am not going to question them.
11:39I am never going to question the Indian army.
11:42They are selflessly doing it.
11:44So, if they have a decision to stop.
11:48Or to stop.
11:49To come back.
11:50Or whatever it is.
11:51I am standing with them.
11:52I am standing with the Indian army.
11:54All the armed forces.
11:56They will do.
11:57They don't like it.
11:58They don't like it.
11:59They are very angry.
12:00They have that aggression in them that they can finish Pakistan.
12:14They do not like us.
12:16They do not like any Indian going through this.
12:19Do you have a message for Prime Minister Narendra Modi?
12:22I believe you have spoken to him also about Operation Sindur.
12:26Do you have a message?
12:28Yes, sir.
12:29I just want to request two things.
12:31There is no message.
12:32Just two requests.
12:33First, do something bigger and a bigger picture against terrorism.
12:39And second, I am waiting in my house with a confidence that for these people, for Shubham Devedi, something good will come out of today's debate.
12:52The respect we as family want for Shubham.
12:55The respect the nation want for Shubham.
12:58The respect the world want for Shubham.
13:00These 26 people.
13:02I am waiting.
13:03I am just waiting today.
13:05I hope you do not have to wait much longer.
13:07There are some who say that, you know, we are not playing bilateral cricket with Pakistan.
13:12Lekin multilateral cricket, Asia cup ho, world cup ho.
13:17Multilateral cricket se too ham khelna hain padeega Pakistan ko.
13:22Aap ko kya lagta hai?
13:23Why do you have to play?
13:24Who has said to play?
13:25I mean, are they doing it to you in a gunpoint?
13:29Are they doing?
13:30It was a gunpoint.
13:32It is not on your gunpoint to play cricket.
13:35You can do it.
13:36You can do it.
13:37You should do anything with Pakistan.
13:39You should do anything with Pakistan.
13:41And if they don't do it, it's a disrespect for these 26 people.
13:46It's a disrespect for the nation.
13:49I don't think anything comes before the nation.
13:53You should do anything with the nation.
13:55You must just do it.
13:56You cannot record both for himself.
13:58What is this?
13:59Playing with our own emotions.
14:01This is wrong.
14:02I've heard this news and I am boycotting this.
14:07And I want everyone of you guys to stand up against this.
14:11all the nations should come up
14:13and stand against this
14:14boycott India-Pakistan match
14:16they should
14:17in the first hand
14:19they should have also only boycotted it
14:21they should have taken that stand
14:23that we will not play with Pakistan
14:24they have hurt us
14:26we don't want to do anything with them
14:28and in cricket we have so much strength
14:31that we should actually have Pakistan
14:32out of ICC
14:33at least that should be India's effort
14:36should you try to do it in your view
14:38exactly sir
14:39exactly, you should try to do it
14:41what you want to say
14:44Pakistan involved
14:45that this is not a bad thing
14:47it is not a bad thing
14:49in a way
14:50you have to understand our emotions
14:513 months, you have to forget it
14:54you have to forget it
14:55you have to forget it
14:57what you remember
14:59I am a sick
15:01I don't remember that
15:03nothing you remember
15:043 months
15:06if you were forgetting it
15:08Pakistan
15:08to match with Pakistan or to include them,
15:11I don't know what will do.
15:14It's very, very hurtful.
15:17It's very hurtful.
15:21Shania, you joined me on India today
15:23and I'm very grateful to you for speaking to us here.
15:27And I know it's very tough,
15:28but I know you're fighting for a bigger cause.
15:31You're fighting to ensure that we Indians are safe
15:34from Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror.
15:38Thank you very much, Shania, for joining me here.
15:40Thank you. Thank you so much.
15:41On India today.
15:43I now want to quickly cut across and listen in to Kiran Rajiju,
15:46Parliamentary Affairs Minister.
15:48Okay, he's likely to speak in just a moment.
15:51I'll get you that.
15:52I want to now throw it open for a wider discussion.
15:54I have Mahima Singh, spokesperson of the Congress Party joining me.
15:57R.P. Singh represents the BJP.
15:59I have Sushant Sareen, Senior Fellow at the Observer Research Foundation
16:03and also Air Vice-Marshal P.K. Srivastav,
16:06you know, a defense analyst who joins me on this special broadcast.
16:11And R.P. Singh,
16:12the Congress Party is launching a frontal attack,
16:17not just on operational failures, intelligence failures,
16:22also, sir, on foreign policy failures of the Narendra Modi government,
16:27which led to Pehelgaam.
16:28These are areas where the government will have to answer on massive failures, sir.
16:33Well, Gaurav, they have all the right to ask all the questions they want to ask
16:37about Oppression Sundur, diplomacy,
16:40or as per them, Oppression Sundur was a failure.
16:43So they can ask that question in the parliament
16:45and the defense minister will answer all that.
16:47But giving clean chit to Pakistan,
16:51speaking on behalf of Pakistan,
16:54this doesn't behold for any Indian politician.
16:58How can any Indian politician,
17:00for any Indian leader from any political party,
17:03or for a party which says that they are 128-year-old party,
17:06do this to the Indian nation,
17:08by saying, giving a clean chit to Pakistan,
17:10by saying that those terrorists were homegrown terrorists?
17:13And then not one leader, two leaders,
17:16and probably by the end of the day,
17:17more will speak on the same line.
17:20That's the problem.
17:21That's the issue.
17:22Because India's stand has changed
17:26after the Prime Minister Modi has taken over as a Prime Minister.
17:29But earlier, the same DNA used to reflect
17:31in all the opportunities
17:34where we had opportunities to revert back to Pakistan.
17:38I remember 26-11,
17:40when Fully Major,
17:43then the Air Force Chief,
17:45asked the Prime Minister,
17:48shall we attack?
17:49He was told not to.
17:50And as mentioned in the Obama's book,
17:53that it was to avoid
17:54some sort of a which will develop here,
17:57nationalism which will build up here
17:59because of the attack,
18:00and that will benefit the opposition.
18:03I mean, opposition means that time BJP.
18:04So, if the parameters are
18:07that you have to
18:09cut down on the opposition...
18:12Give me a moment.
18:13Give me a moment.
18:14I want to get Mahima Singh to respond.
18:15Give me a second.
18:16Give me a moment.
18:16I'm getting Mahima Singh to respond
18:17to a very serious charge that you've levelled.
18:20Mahima Singh,
18:21the BJP alleges Congress ka haat Pakistan ke saath hai.
18:25That Congress is actually defending Pakistan,
18:28giving a clean chit to Pakistan's state-sponsored radical Islamist terror, ma'am.
18:31Ma'am, I think you're on mute.
18:40I request you to unmute yourself.
18:42Jai Hind, I said this is as ridiculously frivolous as it gets.
18:51Hearing the BJP spokesperson speak right after
18:54a widow of one of the victims of those 26 men
18:59who died at behest of our security lapses,
19:03which, by the way, Kiran Rijiju has admitted in the past,
19:06which, by the way, the LG of Kashmir, Mr. Manoj Sinha has admitted.
19:11Now, the BJP spokesperson was saying,
19:13Gaurav, that, you know, a clean chit is being given.
19:16Who is giving the clean chit, I think,
19:18has been made very clear by, you know,
19:20the widow of the victim.
19:23Shania Dvivedi spoke very clearly when she said,
19:26who is allowing this cricket, the cricket matches to happen?
19:29The BCCI is under control of Amit Shah's son, Jai Shah,
19:33directly, can they not boycott it?
19:34It's just been two months and they are, you know,
19:38we are hearing that cricket because it's a huge business.
19:40It's a huge, huge nexus there.
19:43And the government cannot directly confront it.
19:45The government has not come clean on two very crucial issues.
19:48And let me name them plainly and bluntly here.
19:52The government is not coming clean on
19:53where are those four, five perpetrators,
19:56culprits, terrorists of this attack.
19:59These 26 families ought to know.
20:01The entire nation ought to know.
20:02And why has Mr. Modi not rebutted
20:05when Michael Corrilla of the Americas
20:08come out and says that Pakistan
20:12is a phenomenal partner in counter-terrorist operations?
20:16So who is giving clean chit,
20:17cricket happening with Pakistan
20:19at behest of Indian government?
20:21And, you know, the America is speaking again and again
20:25and hyphenating India and Pakistan,
20:27rather calling Pakistan a phenomenal,
20:29phenomenal partner in counter-terrorist operations.
20:33So who is allowing that?
20:34Who is not rebutting that?
20:35Who is in a position to rebut that?
20:37It is the government.
20:38Now let the BJP spokesperson respond to these queries
20:40of the Indians.
20:42Fair enough.
20:42Quickly respond RPC to these,
20:45particularly these two points
20:47before I bring in Sushant Sareen
20:48and A. Vice Marshal Srivastav.
20:50Well, it seems that the Congress leaders,
20:53we are Chinese hearing machine, hearing aid.
20:55Because they don't hear clearly
20:56what the MEA has said on record.
20:57More personal comments, please.
20:59I never intervene.
21:01Hearing aid here.
21:02Maybe he wears a hearing aid.
21:03I never intervene.
21:05I never intervene.
21:05So do not say hearing aid.
21:07Maybe you are at an age where you wear a hearing aid.
21:10Do not say this.
21:11One by one.
21:13One by one.
21:14So you don't want to hear.
21:15That's why you don't want to hear the truth.
21:17It pinches the...
21:18When I show you the mirror,
21:20it hits you hard.
21:21Go ahead without making any personal remarks.
21:24Ma'am, please.
21:25I mean, I'm not...
21:26Did I told you?
21:27I said all congressmen.
21:27Do not make personal remarks.
21:29Do not make personal remarks.
21:30I'm saying it on record.
21:31Because you have signed an agreement
21:33with Communist Party of China.
21:35Your leader has signed an agreement
21:36with Communist Party of China,
21:37which is not in public till date.
21:38And he was hobnobbing with the Chinese ambassador here
21:42when Garawan was happening.
21:43So don't tell me about all that.
21:45So I'm saying again,
21:46that you are wearing the Chinese hearing aid.
21:48That's why you don't hear what MEA said.
21:50Do not make those personal remarks.
21:52I'm warning again.
21:53I'm warning again.
21:54It is the Deputy Chief of Army Staff,
21:56Lieutenant General Rahul R. Singh,
21:58who said that we were battling China
22:00on July 4th, 2025.
22:03It is the Army,
22:04Deputy Chief of Army Staff,
22:06General Rahul R. Singh,
22:08Pakistan today morning.
22:10Who gave a treaty to Pakistan today morning?
22:13Or who gave treaty to Pakistan yesterday?
22:17Give me a moment.
22:19One at a time is the best way to move forward
22:21so that our viewers can hear both sides of the story.
22:24But Sushant Sareen,
22:25two aspects here.
22:27One, perhaps you've got a glimpse
22:28of what we will hear in parliament.
22:31Battle line is very clearly drawn.
22:32But when leaders say that,
22:37you know,
22:37where is the proof that Pakistanis were involved?
22:39This may well have been homegrown terror.
22:41Or when Imran Masood,
22:42so first Chidambaram and then Imran Masood
22:44of the Congress Party,
22:45when he says were terrorists airlifted or airdropped,
22:48even if they came in from Pakistan,
22:50it shows our borders are weak.
22:52Is that in a way
22:53kosher charge being leveled at the government
22:57or is there merit
22:58that it's giving Pakistan a clean shit?
23:02Look, there are different elements
23:05to the entire thing.
23:06There is a certain case
23:08that can be made
23:09that how come these terrorists have come
23:10despite the security grid around the border.
23:14But then,
23:15Gaurav,
23:16you know,
23:16unlike most of the Indian MPs
23:19who never have bothered to go to the borders,
23:22never really bothered about national security
23:24in the way they should have.
23:25And even when they go for these conducted tours,
23:28they're given kid glove treatment
23:30and they don't see the hardships
23:31of the terrain along the border.
23:34And given the kind of LOC
23:35that we have with the Pakistanis,
23:37if some infiltration does take place,
23:40it cannot entirely be avoided.
23:42Okay, so there is an element of that
23:44which comes into play.
23:46But I think it's also a fair question to ask
23:48that how come there are these four perpetrators
23:51who've carried out such a heinous crime?
23:53Where the hell are they?
23:54Why haven't we got a...
23:55And again,
23:57there is a certain explanation for that
23:59because the terrorists
24:01seem to have changed their tactics,
24:02the kind of equipment they're using.
24:05The Indian security forces
24:06haven't been able to,
24:08quite clearly,
24:09they haven't been able to get a fix
24:11on how to intercept those conversations,
24:14how to electronically monitor
24:15some of those conversations.
24:17And this is where the Chinese angle
24:18also comes in
24:19because a lot of those services
24:21which they're using
24:22are the Chinese services
24:23and Chinese equipment.
24:24And we haven't been able to quite
24:25break through into that.
24:26So, there is that lacuna which is there.
24:30Now, I would really wish
24:32and I think it is important
24:34that the opposition parties
24:35raise serious questions,
24:37including, and I hope,
24:39they pin this government down
24:40on the issue of
24:42at one level saying
24:44Operation Sindur
24:45is in the pause mode.
24:47And because it's in the pause mode,
24:49we will go and hug
24:50the Pakistanis in Dubai.
24:52We gave up our rights
24:54to host a tournament in India.
24:56We are hosting it in Dubai
24:57so that the Pakistanis
24:58can come and play.
25:00If this is not surrender
25:01to the Pakistani cricket board
25:03by the superpower of cricket,
25:05which is BCCI,
25:06and the government
25:07turning a blind eye to it,
25:09then what is?
25:10So, my point is
25:11that the Congress party
25:12or the opposition
25:14can pin the government
25:15on substantive issues.
25:17My other hope is
25:18that if they were,
25:19rather than create noise,
25:21if they were to come up
25:23with a very sincere,
25:25honest,
25:26and even if those
25:27are very scathing observations
25:29on how we can improve
25:32our national security,
25:33I think the nation
25:34will gain from it.
25:35But if this is just going to be
25:37silly, petty, foolish,
25:39point scoring
25:39for political purposes,
25:42then I think
25:42then the very purpose
25:43of this debate
25:44will be defeated.
25:45So, I would hope
25:46that the opposition comes up,
25:48they should pin the government
25:50down on many things.
25:52They should ask questions
25:53of the government,
25:54but at the same time,
25:55ensure that whatever
25:57they are doing
25:58is for the betterment
25:59of the country.
26:00Absolutely.
26:00I'll just take half a minute.
26:02If you want to score points,
26:04look, as far as
26:05foreign policy is concerned,
26:06either you say that
26:07we will not act
26:09against any country
26:10until we develop
26:11an international consensus
26:12that we can go
26:13and act against that country
26:14and unless we get
26:16permission from the powers
26:17that be,
26:18we never sought permission
26:20from America
26:21when we did Kargil,
26:22but we sought permission
26:23from the Americans
26:24and from the Pakistanis,
26:26I dare say,
26:27because that is what
26:27Pursheed Kasuri
26:28writes in his book,
26:29when 2611 happened.
26:31Now, I don't think
26:32a country like India
26:33needs to take permission
26:34from any other country
26:36in the world
26:36before it acts
26:37to defend its own interests.
26:39So, I think
26:40if there's a reason
26:41and a well-argued debate,
26:44we will all be
26:44the better for it.
26:46Otherwise,
26:46it's just noise
26:47in parliament,
26:48which is a normal thing.
26:49Let's sincerely hope
26:50and pray
26:51it's not noise
26:52and there is
26:53an intense debate
26:54because the nation
26:55must know
26:56what's happening
26:58when it comes
26:58to our national security,
26:59when it comes
27:00to Pakistan's
27:00state-sponsored
27:01radical Islamist terror
27:02and India's strategy
27:03to deal with it.
27:04Yes, Operation Sindur
27:05was an absolute game-changer
27:07in the manner
27:07in which Pakistan was hit.
27:09But as Sushant Sareen
27:10very rightly points out,
27:11two months later,
27:12you're playing cricket
27:13with Pakistan
27:14even if it's
27:15an international match
27:16and when you are the host,
27:17you're playing it
27:18in the United Arab Emirates.
27:20Is that the way
27:21to deal with
27:22the state-sponsor
27:23of radical Islamist terror?
27:24When you tom-tom
27:25from the top of the world
27:26that a victim
27:27and perpetrator of terror
27:28cannot be equated,
27:29R.P is saying,
27:30these are questions
27:31that you must answer
27:32and your government, sir.
27:34But for a moment,
27:34I want to quickly
27:35cut across
27:35and listen in
27:36to Kiran Rajiju.
27:37Big, big statement
27:38coming in.
27:40The Narendra Modi government
27:41has hit back
27:41at Congress
27:42alleging
27:43a pro-Pakistan
27:44line of the Congress.
27:46Parliamentary Affairs Minister
27:48Kiran Rajiju says,
27:49don't speak
27:51Pakistan's language.
27:52This is Kiran Rajiju
27:53to the Congress Party.
27:54Kiran Rajiju
27:55to the opposition,
27:56respect India's
27:57armed forces.
27:58Don't harm
27:59India's interests.
28:00Remember,
28:01P. Chidamram,
28:02former Union Home Minister,
28:03had said there is no proof
28:04of Pakistan's role
28:05in Pahal Gaam.
28:06Listen in to Kiran Rajiju.
28:07I'll get you more
28:08on this story.
28:10Today,
28:11the Lok Sabha
28:12will take up
28:13the discussion
28:14on Operation Sindur.
28:17This is in response
28:18to terrorist attack
28:19in Pahal Gaam.
28:20So,
28:22when the Parliament
28:22is taking up
28:23the discussion
28:24on Operation Sindur,
28:27my request
28:28to the opposition members,
28:29especially
28:30the Congress Party,
28:32not to do anything
28:35to harm
28:38India's interests
28:39and also
28:41not to speak
28:42Pakistan's language.
28:43When the Parliament
28:48Affairs Minister
28:48says,
28:49do not speak
28:50Pakistan's language,
28:51it is serious.
28:53Before I bring in
28:53Mahima Singh
28:54for a quick response
28:55on this,
28:55Air Marshal
28:56Srivastav,
28:56is there merit
28:57in the Parliament
28:58Affairs Minister
28:59saying,
29:00do not speak
29:00Pakistan's language?
29:02When there is
29:04merit in
29:05P. Chidamram
29:05saying,
29:06one,
29:07where is proof
29:07these are
29:08Pakistani terrorists?
29:09Two,
29:10why haven't
29:10they be caught
29:11as yet?
29:11Or as Imran Masood
29:12says,
29:13if they came in
29:14from across the border,
29:15it shows
29:15your weakness.
29:19Kaurav,
29:21Jai Hind,
29:21and thank you
29:22for being on the show.
29:24I would just like
29:24to say that
29:25instead of giving
29:26Pakistan a clean
29:27chit,
29:28which is a
29:29confirmed and
29:30known offender
29:31in this area,
29:32they have been
29:33carrying out
29:34various activities.
29:35We have to
29:35catch the whole
29:36thing in a
29:37different way.
29:37If not Pakistan,
29:39then who?
29:40Initially,
29:40TRF claimed
29:41their responsibility,
29:42then they backed
29:43off.
29:44Pakistan has
29:44played on
29:45their deniability
29:46and we
29:47could not
29:48respond to
29:49so many
29:50attacks of
29:50them because
29:51if you keep
29:53giving the
29:53proofs,
29:54like we call
29:54them for
29:55Patanko
29:55strike,
29:57we call
29:57them for
29:5726 by
29:5811,
29:59release nowhere.
30:00The idea
30:00of this
30:01operation was
30:02to put a
30:03sense of
30:04fear in
30:05the minds
30:06of terrorists
30:06that yes,
30:08wherever you
30:08may be,
30:09you may be
30:09behind ISI
30:10lines,
30:11you may be
30:11behind under
30:12the protection
30:12of Pakistani
30:14army,
30:14you may be
30:15in Pakistani
30:15Punjab,
30:16we'll come
30:17and hit you
30:17and that's
30:18a new
30:19normal and
30:20new message.
30:21As a veteran,
30:23I would say
30:24I would be
30:24very happy
30:25if my
30:25parliament
30:26debates about
30:27the defense
30:28budget.
30:29If my
30:29parliament
30:29debates about
30:30what kind
30:31of structural
30:32changes we
30:32need to
30:33bring in
30:33so that we
30:34can put in
30:35our AI
30:35into our
30:36weapons,
30:37we can
30:37put in
30:37unmanned
30:38systems into
30:39our army,
30:40navy,
30:40air force,
30:41we can
30:41grow on
30:42space
30:42spectrum,
30:43we can
30:43grow on
30:44EW
30:44spectrum,
30:45we can
30:45go on
30:45cyber
30:45spectrum.
30:46And we
30:47really have
30:48a gap.
30:48If you
30:49really ask
30:49me,
30:49we have
30:50a gap
30:50on human
30:51intelligence,
30:52what kind
30:52of budgets
30:52we are
30:53allocating?
30:54We need
30:55to talk
30:55about the
30:56security
30:56architecture.
30:57Is it
30:58efficient
30:58somewhere?
30:58It's
30:59great.
30:59We must
31:00find out
31:00do we need
31:02to bring
31:02in,
31:03I heard
31:03through the
31:04newspaper,
31:04that we
31:05are bringing
31:05in Rudra
31:05brigades.
31:07They are
31:07very useful.
31:08We are
31:08going to
31:09bring in
31:09inorganic
31:10soldiers,
31:11robo-sentries.
31:12We are
31:12deficient.
31:13You see
31:13fifth generation
31:14aircraft,
31:15the stealth
31:16aircraft,
31:16we are
31:16struggling
31:17for
31:17aero engine.
31:18I is
31:19the nation
31:19in mission
31:19mode to
31:20bring out
31:20an aero
31:21engine and
31:22we can do
31:23it.
31:23I am
31:23telling you
31:23we can
31:24do it.
31:24So you
31:24are saying
31:26let the
31:26debate be
31:27substantive
31:28and not
31:29frivolous.
31:29Focus on
31:30real
31:30security
31:31architecture.
31:32Security
31:33architecture to
31:34make India
31:35safer.
31:35More breaking
31:36news coming
31:37in.
31:37Congress
31:37MP Karthi
31:38Chidambaram
31:38has jumped
31:40to his
31:40father's
31:41defense.
31:41He is
31:42hit back
31:42at those
31:43who are
31:43saying that
31:44his father
31:44took a
31:45pro-Pakistan
31:46line.
31:47Karthi
31:47Chidambaram
31:47has hit
31:49back at
31:49the BJP
31:50saying that
31:51they are
31:51right now
31:52trigger happy
31:52and jumpy.
31:54So that's
31:54a jibe at
31:55the BJP.
31:56Karthi
31:57Chidambaram
31:57is telling
31:57the BJP
31:58watch that
31:59entire
31:59interview and
32:00then judge
32:01not on the
32:01basis of a
32:02couple of
32:03lines.
32:03So RP
32:04is saying
32:04don't be
32:05trigger happy
32:06and jumpy
32:07is what
32:07Karthi
32:08Chidambaram
32:08is telling
32:09the BJP.
32:13Gaurav,
32:13you can also
32:14play this
32:14interview and
32:15it's very
32:16clear.
32:16He said
32:16that they
32:19can be
32:19homegrown.
32:20How do you
32:21know that
32:21they were not
32:22homegrown?
32:23What do you
32:23mean by that?
32:24I don't know
32:25what exactly
32:26Mr. Karthi
32:27Chidambaram
32:27mean.
32:28The fact is
32:28that in
32:28interview is
32:29very clear
32:29and he
32:31has said
32:31that how
32:32do we
32:32know that
32:32they are
32:32Pakistani
32:33and not
32:34homegrown?
32:35So give
32:35me another
32:35second.
32:36And it's
32:36not the
32:36first time.
32:37I mean,
32:37it's the
32:38same as
32:38the
32:38gentleman who
32:39spoke about
32:39the
32:39separate
32:40terrorism.
32:41So there's
32:41a DNA
32:42behind it
32:43and there's
32:43a DNA
32:44of the
32:44Congress
32:44which speaks
32:45again and
32:45again
32:45safeguarding
32:47Pakistan
32:47interests.
32:48Remember
32:48after
32:48application
32:49of
32:50C70
32:50and
32:5035A,
32:51Rahul
32:52Gandhi
32:52said
32:52there's
32:52a blood
32:53bath
32:53which is
32:53happening in
32:54Kashmir
32:54and he
32:55was quoted
32:55by no
32:57less than
32:58Imran Khan
32:58in UN
32:58Assembly
32:59saying that
33:00Indian
33:00leaders say
33:01so what
33:02do we
33:02do?
33:03So that's
33:03how
33:03Congress
33:05Party is.
33:06The grave
33:07charge once
33:07again.
33:08Mahima Singh
33:08you want to
33:08quickly respond
33:09that if
33:11a Congress
33:11leader and
33:12a senior
33:12Congress
33:13leader who's
33:13been Home
33:13Minister of
33:14India,
33:15if he uses
33:15words to
33:16the effect
33:16that where
33:18is proof
33:18that these
33:19are Pakistani
33:19they could
33:20be homegrown
33:20terrorists,
33:21if that is
33:22not giving
33:22a clean
33:22chip to
33:23Pakistan,
33:23what else
33:24is madam?
33:26Don't you
33:27think that
33:27might be a
33:28question very
33:29well rising
33:29in the hearts
33:30of many
33:30Indians when
33:31these terrorists
33:33have just
33:33disappeared into
33:34thin air and
33:35the government
33:36did not know
33:37where did they
33:37come from and
33:38refuses to
33:39comment on
33:40the BJP,
33:45the Prime
33:46Minister,
33:46the government
33:47refuses to
33:48acknowledge and
33:49address the
33:50existence of
33:51these terrorists
33:51and the Prime
33:52Minister comes
33:53to the
33:53Parliament on
33:54the opening
33:55day and
33:56says the
33:56operation was
33:57successful as
33:58if it has
33:58been culminated.
34:00Let me
34:00remind you
34:01today on
34:02your show
34:02that just
34:03a day ago
34:04your channel
34:05and many
34:05others reported
34:06the very
34:07controversial
34:08meeting of
34:09the US
34:10Secretary
34:10Marco Rubio
34:11with the
34:12Pakistan Deputy
34:13Prime Minister
34:14Ishak Dar
34:15where he
34:16again reiterated
34:17what General
34:18Michael
34:18Corrilla had
34:19said.
34:19He again
34:20said that
34:20Pakistan is
34:22a phenomenal
34:23partner in
34:23counter-terrorism
34:24operations and
34:26that is how the
34:26US is going with
34:27Pakistan.
34:28We are holding
34:28matches with
34:29Pakistan.
34:30Then who is
34:30giving the
34:31clean chit?
34:31Then who is
34:32standing with
34:33Pakistan?
34:33Then who is
34:34not looking
34:35terrorism in
34:36the eye?
34:37Pertinent point
34:38before I get
34:40Sushant Sareen
34:41and Air Vice
34:41Marshal
34:42Srivastav to
34:42weigh in on
34:43this.
34:45Anurag Thakur
34:46has just
34:47responded to
34:48this.
34:49So let's
34:50listen in to
34:50my colleague
34:51Piyush in
34:51conversation with
34:52Anurag Thakur.
34:54PJP
34:55Samtara
34:55Anurag Thakur
34:56is for
34:56this time
34:56to talk
34:57about
34:57the
34:57Prime Minister
34:58Pichan
34:59Namram
34:59which
34:59is the
35:00Home
35:00Minister
35:01today
35:01has given
35:02Pakistan
35:02clean chit
35:02and said
35:03that
35:03the
35:03Ushabit
35:04Pakistan
35:05Pakistan
35:08A
35:08Pakistan
35:08Rakhul
35:11occupied
35:11Congress
35:12के
35:12नेता
35:12Pakistan
35:13का
35:14पक्ष
35:14और
35:15उनके
35:15पक्ष में
35:15दलील
35:15रखने
35:16के तयार
35:16हो जाते
35:17Congress
35:18Party
35:18के
35:19पूर्व
35:19मंत्री
35:20हो
35:20वो
35:21एक
35:22और
35:22ये क्याते
35:23कि
35:23आतंगबादी
35:24भूमरे
35:25और
35:25भारतिय
35:26संसत
35:26भूमरे
35:27तो
35:27संसतोंके
35:28दुला
35:28अतकवादियों
35:29से कर देते
35:29अपने
35:30संसतों
35:31पर
35:31पर
35:31पर
35:35लेकिन
35:37पाकिसान
35:38को
35:38ख्लीन
35:38चट दे
35:38जिते
35:3926
35:40गयारा
35:40के
35:40हमले
35:40में
35:41इंका
35:41मूँ
35:41नहीं
35:41खुलता
35:42है
35:42पाकिसान
35:44के
35:44खिलाब
35:44कोई
35:44I don't know.
36:14Badi baat bhaarath bhaarath abha dose yer nahi, dose deega.
36:18This is a view, Mishra.
36:19I'm asking quickly your response to what Anurag Thakur is saying.
36:25Congress giving a clean shit to Pakistan 0.1, 0.2.
36:29Bharat abh dose yer nahi, dose deega Pakistan ko.
36:33It is filthy rich of the BJP to accuse the opposition of standing with Pakistan
36:38or speaking the Pak language.
36:40One, it is the BJP who is not acknowledging the core issue here, Gaurav.
36:45Kiran Rijiju, when this operation happened and when the opposition backed the government,
36:49came out and said, yes, lapses have happened.
36:52Intelligence failure was acknowledged by not only Kiran Rijiju,
36:56but Manoj Sina, LG of Jammu and Kashmir later on.
36:59You know, a deputy chief of army staff, Rahul Singh has come out and said
37:06that we were battling China, both in hardware and software.
37:09The BJP can, you know, make tall claims here and make these filmy slogans and dialogues
37:16here to entertain themselves and their cadres, but they will need to address the core issue
37:21at the end of the day.
37:22They evaded the special parliament session that we were demanding.
37:26They have, the prime minister has never shared the all party meets that we were demanding
37:31him to chair.
37:32It has never happened.
37:33And even now, the BJP is only busy building optics and its narrative.
37:39It is refusing to acknowledge that those terrorists are missing.
37:43It is refusing to say.
37:44If you, if you notice, Gaurav, and this is the last point I'm making now,
37:48the prime minister, has he ever spoken about those four terrorists?
37:51Has any BJP leader spoken?
37:54They don't name it.
37:55That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
37:56Okay.
37:57They don't exist.
37:58The threat remains, but that very pertinent point you raised, Sushant Sarin, before,
38:01you know, I bring in M.A.
38:02Shri Aastav.
38:04Sushant Sarin, the point that's being raised about this Pakistan-U.S.
38:08tango, what Jalil Khurrila said, he of course was given a Pakistani medal, but what Marco Rubio
38:14is also talking about, the intelligence cooperation with Pakistan and this so-called India-Pakistan
38:20hyphenation or re-hyphenation, is that a failure of our foreign policy?
38:27Yeah, Gaurav, you know, the problem with India is that we don't want hyphenation with
38:34Pakistan and then we reduce ourselves to Pakistan's level.
38:37That we view every country's relationship with Pakistan from our perspective that, oh,
38:44the Americans are now talking to Pakistan.
38:46This is some kind of hyphenation taking place.
38:48Where is the hyphenation?
38:50What is the depth of U.S.-Pakistan relationship vis-a-vis India-U.S. relationship?
38:58What is the comparison?
38:59We are doing what, $160, $170 billion of trade with the Americans.
39:03Pakistanis do $7 billion.
39:05Okay.
39:06What do the Pakistanis sell?
39:08Third rate, some cotton textiles, socks, underwear, stuff like that.
39:12That is the Pakistani trade with the Americans.
39:16And terrorists, of course.
39:17What is the utility of Pakistan?
39:20Yes, they will go and go after some terrorists like the ISKP and others whom the Americans have
39:28got in their, you know, in their sights.
39:31Third, what will the Pakistanis do?
39:33They will act as a bit of a mercenary state.
39:35Give the Americans some access if the Americans want to carry out some operations inside Iran
39:40or other places or act as a double agent to go and spy in Iran and other places.
39:46That is what the Pakistanis are going to do for the Americans.
39:49Now, this is a role that the Pakistanis have played for many, many years.
39:53Has that stopped India's relationship with the Americans growing?
39:57Now, just as we tell the rest of the world, especially in the West, that, look, we have our relationship
40:04with the Russians.
40:05We are going to keep that relationship alive.
40:08Yes, we have serious problems with the Chinese, but we will, while we will try and push back
40:14and contain China, we don't want a conflict with China just because some other country
40:18might want to use us as their, you know, guy who will get pleaded to fight China.
40:27We don't want to become that.
40:28We don't want to become the fall guy.
40:30So, we will carry out our own policy.
40:32Now, does that mean that there will be pushback from other countries?
40:35Of course, there will be.
40:36Everybody wants you to be a subservient country which follows them, you know, follows their
40:42diktat.
40:43We are not ready to do that.
40:44And I think that there's some merit in that particular argument.
40:48So, I think we as a confident country should have this confidence in ourselves that just
40:56because somebody is interacting with some other country, like we are interacting with
40:59the Russians, the Americans don't like it.
41:01Yes.
41:02What are we supposed to do?
41:03To get the Americans on our side, stop dealing with the Russians?
41:06No.
41:07But I think the question which you don't let R.P. Singh answer, is this one on the cricket
41:13match that if Operation Zindur is going on, why are we then playing cricket in UAE with
41:18the Pakistanis?
41:19The BJP is constantly ducking this question.
41:22And even the Congress, the rest of the opposition is not raising it with the intensity they should
41:28raise it to pin the BJP down.
41:30Why is it?
41:31Because politicians of all hues are part of this mafia called BCCI.
41:37Why?
41:37Okay.
41:38My thing is furiously, you know, no, you're raising a pertinent point and I'll get advice
41:44marshal Srivastav also to respond to that.
41:46But R.P. Singh, Operation Zindur is still on.
41:50We are still not giving details of the losses we've suffered, if at all, when it comes to
41:55our aircraft because Operation Zindur is on.
41:57But we will play cricket with Pakistan and that too in UAE, a match that we should be
42:02hosting in India.
42:03We said, do not equate perpetrator and victim of terror, but we do that ourselves.
42:08Kaurav, let the government of India take a final call on this and wait for that.
42:14But coming to losses, I'll appreciate.
42:19Congress party would not have withheld back any evidence because they are in connection
42:24with China and then China would have splashed them the satellite pictures by now of any
42:29losses, any losses would have occurred.
42:33So you are saying that you're waiting for government of India to take an official call
42:37from what I've been told and from what sources are saying.
42:40BCCI went ahead only after it got a nod from the government and Air Vice Marshal Srivastav,
42:45if that is actually the case, Operation Zindur is still on.
42:49The widow, and I just spoke to Aishanya, you know, Dvivedi, she says I'm very hurt that
42:56you're already playing cricket with Pakistan.
42:58The Congress party says we are very upset at least, but will it be the official stand
43:03of the Congress remains to be seen.
43:04But as a veteran, we've been fighting Pakistan, but we're also playing cricket with them only
43:10because it's a multilateral series and not a bilateral series.
43:12Do you buy that argument that if we cannot boycott them in Asian games, we do not boycott
43:17them in Olympic games when they are playing, so we will also play them here?
43:23Gaurav, in the current context in which we are, I am one who will not be in favor of playing
43:28the cricket with Pakistan, period.
43:31There is no way we can play the cricket and give a message to nation or international community
43:37in general that things have become normal, they are not normal.
43:39We are still fighting the terrorism, we are still fighting things.
43:43But I do agree with Sushant Sareen that yes, the depth of relationship between USA and Pakistan
43:49is very shallow because India does not want to become a vassal state.
43:55You see the vassalization of whole of Europe, including the UK, with respect to USA.
44:01And if we don't want to play subservient, we should be accepting certain degree of poke strategy,
44:06that they will be poking us wherever it is necessary, but we are useful and they are
44:11really not, can't treat us like a, you know, like a subservient country.
44:15And Pakistan is a servant, Pakistan is a vassal state, both of China and of the United States
44:21of America or anyone who would pay them.
44:23But Mahima is saying, you want to quickly respond, you want to quickly respond, there is
44:27another breaking news coming in.
44:28You want to quickly respond to Sushant Sareen saying, when it comes to cricket, cutting across
44:32party lines, everyone is on the same page because that is where money is made.
44:36Official stance of the Congress party came out yesterday, maybe you have not come past
44:41it.
44:42Pawan Kheda ji has tweeted yesterday, aaj Kargil rivers per Bharat-Pakistan cricket match
44:46ki tariq ki ghoshna ho gai.
44:48Kuch din pehle Greh Mantri ji keh rahe the ki bum aur bachit ek saath nahi chal sakte.
44:52It is very much on record.
44:53The Congress party's stance is very clear.
44:56It is for the government to stop ducking the question and to come out clean on it.
45:00And I think R.P. Singh has spoken very clearly on your show, that is the government's intent.
45:05This is a cowardly government, as cowardly as it gets.
45:08And the nation is seeing it.
45:10The world is seeing it.
45:11Okay.
45:12R.P. Singh, 30 seconds.
45:13Sushant Sareen had his hands up.
45:14He also wants to respond.
45:15But R.P. Singh, quickly 30 seconds, sir.
45:18Well, look who's talking.
45:20I again detrate.
45:21The day Rahul Gandhi will make his document public, which he has signed with the Communist
45:26Party of China, that day he has right to speak or the Communist Party's right to
45:30the question on Pakistan and India play cricket together.
45:32I might have jumped around.
45:32There's a bad habit to imagine.
45:33And now he is talking about something of his own imagination.
45:36You do this in Parliament.
45:37Okay.
45:38Okay.
45:39Sushant Sareen, last 30 seconds to you.
45:40Because we've seen the disaster.
45:42We've seen the disaster of India-Pakistan play cricket even when the Kargil war was on.
45:48We've seen the disaster of cricket despite terror.
45:53So, Gaurav, what happened 26 years ago is very different from what the situation is today.
46:00India is a superpower in cricket, both financially as well as in its playing abilities.
46:09The point which I often want to ask, you know, our political leaders is that if you have this
46:15much power in one thing like cricket and you cannot exercise that power in a way that furthers
46:23your own interests and you feel compelled by a third-rate PCB and that third-rate fellow,
46:29Mohsen Nakwee, and this entire galaxy of BCCI lawyers, big businessmen, politicians who formed
46:39the BCCI and are part of ICC go on their knees, literally, to placate and appease the Pakistanis
46:47and agree to play an Asia Cup because we might get Olympics in 2036.
46:53So, we are being given this post-dated check on an event which may or may not happen and
47:02we are being led, you know, like donkeys with a carrot that, you know, we will get, we will
47:06not get Olympics if we don't play Asia Cup.
47:09Asia Cup even has nothing to do with ICC.
47:12Asia Cup is only countries within this area which form Asia Cup.
47:18Even the ICC does not rule Asia Cup.
47:21So, what is the reason, what is the compulsion that you are ready to go to UAE, surrender
47:27your own rights to play the Pakistanis and not one match, probably three matches.
47:32Probably and you are in the same group and worse, even when it comes to Olympics, even
47:37when it comes to, yes, even when it comes to Olympics, Sushant, if you, if I may, Russia
47:44did not play the 1984 Los Angeles Games or then Soviet Union and the entire Western Bloc
47:50had boycotted the Moscow Olympics in 1980.
47:53So, even in Olympic Games, national interest has been put ahead of Games.
47:59Except, if we want to learn from the likes of Maharana Pratap,
48:03but do we have that in us is the big question and we'll be tracking that story.
48:14There's more breaking news that's coming in.
48:16The NDA is waging a war for Dimple Yadav of the Samajwadi Party.
48:21After that, Maulana's naked, naked jibe at Dimple Yadav, Member of Parliament and Samajwadi
48:29Party Supremo, Akhilesh Yadav's wife, the BJP, has questioned why is Akhilesh Yadav silent
48:36when such a statement was made about his wife and a woman and a Member of Parliament, BJP
48:42is saying, is a Muslim vote bank above your wife's honour?
48:47And this is a controversy over Dimple Yadav's visit to the Parliament Street Mosque.
48:53Clerics have said that Dimple Yadav did not cover herself properly in the mosque.
48:59That is what the clerics are saying.
49:00It's an ugly, sexist attack by these clerics on Dimple Yadav.
49:06Piyush Yadav gets us more.
49:08The MPs are right now protesting at Makar Dwar of Parliament
49:11where they are raising the objectionable comments those were made by Maulana
49:15against Dimple Yadav.
49:17Right behind me, you can see as to how all the MPs have gathered here
49:20and they all are holding a placard which reads
49:23Mahila Viroji Maan Sikta Nahi Sahenge, Nahi Sahenge.
49:26They are also raising slogans like
49:27Mahila Sansat Ka Aapman Nahi Sahega Ayatostan.
49:30So you can see as to how.
49:32Now the NDA MPs are raising this entire matter
49:34and this entire issue pertains to Dimple Yadav's visit to Parliament Mosque
49:39when she had gone to a nearby mosque which is right in front of Parliament.
49:43And you know after that Maulana had raised questions
49:48and he had made objectionable comments on the clothes of Dimple Yadav.
49:54And now BJP is demanding, in fact NDA is demanding answers on this
49:59and is raising questions over the entire matter.
50:01Remember that a lot of political controversy has already taken place
50:04where BJP had also raised objections over the visit of SP MPs to the mosque.
50:09And today the NDA MPs are now raising this entire matter
50:12and demanding answers from Samajwadhi Party.
50:16Huge question, Ali, for another day.
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