00:00OK, we interviewed Kemi Badenock, the Conservative leader, earlier on the show, and she said Keir Starmer was a liar because he had previously said that women can have a penis or at least some women.
00:11I think 0.1 percent of women could have a penis. And now he seems to be saying that, oh, no, he always agreed with the Supreme Court that trans women aren't women.
00:21He's fibbing, isn't he?
00:22No, that's not the case. Look, we welcome the court judgment that came out last week.
00:33And there's been some new guidance from the EHRC as well to authorities and how they should implement this.
00:42And, you know, we'll take that forward now that the guidance has been published.
00:46But he once said that trans women were women and he once suggested that one in a thousand women can have a penis.
00:55So he wasn't aligned with the Supreme Court judgment at all, was he?
00:59Why is he pretending that he said something different to what he said? It's just a lie.
01:05All the way through this, look, all the way through this, he's tried to treat people with dignity and respect.
01:12And we've still got to do that in this debate and in responding to the judgment.
01:18That's what he's tried to do. That's what he said at Prime Minister's questions the other day.
01:23And that's what we've all got to do here. We've got some clarity from the court, which is welcome.
01:28And we've got some new guidance, which will have to be implemented now in the fields of sport and all sorts of other areas.
01:35All right. In the spirit of treating everyone with dignity and respect, why won't he apologise to his former Labour colleague, the MP for Canterbury, Rosie Duffield?
01:49Well, look, I think Rosie left the Labour Party for a number of reasons.
01:55Well, she was bullied out of the party because of her transgender views.
01:59That's what she says. That's why she left the party.
02:02She was gender critical. She got a load of problems from the whips and others.
02:07She couldn't get a conversation with Keir Starmer. She felt forced out.
02:12And now, quite rightly, she's been vindicated by the Supreme Court and is asking why on earth the Prime Minister,
02:17if he wants to respect everyone and give them dignity, she hasn't received a fulsome apology.
02:23I mean, when I read her piece in the Times, I think it was yesterday, I think she said she didn't, she wouldn't be interested in it and that she wouldn't find it meaningful.
02:37And her letter of resignation, I was sorry to see her go, but her letter of resignation outlined a number of different policy dissatisfactions.
02:46This may have been one, but it wasn't the only one.
02:51And so I think she left for a number of reasons.
02:54And, you know, when we stood at the election last year, we said we would protect single-sex spaces.
03:00We want to do that.
03:02That protection for single-sex spaces was in our own Labour Equality Act from back in 2010.
03:07And that's what we'll do going forward.
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