00:00I certainly felt hounded while I was in the Labour Party.
00:03Lots of kind of organising of statements and letters against me
00:06and a sort of whispering campaign, and that happened a lot.
00:10And why do you think they did that?
00:12Because they vehemently disagreed with my stance on women's rights.
00:16I think I feel that women like me have indicated,
00:19because we've always said that that is the law,
00:22but, you know, you don't...
00:24I don't necessarily feel excited or jubilant about it.
00:28And do you see a way back into the Labour Party?
00:31Not under Keir Starmer's leadership.
00:33I can't imagine being able to do that.
00:35Why not?
00:35There are hundreds of people who've been banned, barred,
00:38blocked, expelled from the party
00:40for saying exactly the same thing that the party are now saying.
00:43If I met Emily, I would address her as a woman,
00:46I'd talk to her as a woman, I'd use her preferred pronouns
00:48just out of good manners,
00:50but I don't think that women should have to compete
00:54with people that were born men.
00:56Basically, you don't think she's a woman?
00:59She wasn't born a woman, and she has a huge advantage.
01:02And do you understand why some people see a view like that to be transphobic?
01:08If that's the way they see it, I can't stop them seeing that,
01:11but my whole fight in this, and all the feminists I know,
01:15has been for women to have our own sports categories,
01:18our own spaces.
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