00:00Can you assure this audience that Ukrainians will be at the table and Europeans will be at the table? Oh
00:07Well, you just changed the whole dynamic
00:11Pergola Victor, thanks for having us today. I appreciate the answer that last question just you framed it. The answer is no
00:18The answer to the earlier part of that question is yes, of course, the Ukrainians are going to be at the table
00:22I mean who would be foolish to say wouldn't but when you say at the table you have to define it
00:27One of the things I'm driving towards is we've had a good
00:31Remember this war has been going on now. We're heading into the third year
00:35One of the things we haven't really gotten to our specifics
00:37So the Europeans who have provided as much or more support to the Americans in this
00:43Process you don't think should be at the table directly. You think it should be two protagonists. I
00:50Said I'm a school of realism. I think that's not gonna happen
00:53But I said that's one of the reasons I'm here talking to people one of the reason we're going out
00:57We're doing it to making sure that their positions are well-known that when we go into these positions
01:03They're well stated now that main and that may be great
01:06I'd like fingers on a chalkboard that may grade a little bit, but I'm telling you something that's really quite honest
01:11So if you see part of the problem that we looked at when you looked at minks, too
01:15There was a lot of people at the table that really had no ability to execute some type of peace process and it failed miserably
01:23so
01:24We're not going to go down that path. I see. Thank you
01:27That's that but our philosophy is not to continue this war to the death of every last Ukrainian
01:32The intent is to kill stop the carnage stop the war make sure it's reasonable making sure the sovereignty stays
01:39Intact, but we're going to get to specifics about it when you say sitting at the table and all probability
01:45There's really going to be within reason one of the reasons I'm here is for the input obviously
01:50But when you sit at the table
01:52There's really there's two protagonists when you look at it, and there's one hopefully to be an intermediary
01:57Okay, who are the protagonists and who's the intermediary?
02:00Well, I'm saying as we do it fence notice
02:02I'm being very diplomatic about I got my diplomatic had my passport my pocket
02:06The fact is we're looking at you can have the Ukrainians the Russian and clearly the Americans at the table talking
02:11But we've got to have specifics to get to a point, but I'm driving towards very very specific
02:17Very very hard data that we can say this is the what it looks like
02:22And then it's going to be up to the two
02:25Belligerents that are fighting each other right now the Ukrainians and the Russians is this acceptable
02:29But there's no way nobody would ever exclude and nobody's even said that it would challenge anybody
02:35Anybody in this room or anybody in the audience to say when have we ever said?
02:39That the Ukrainians would be excluded from any discussion. It's never been said you know President Trump's very open about that
02:46Respond do you respond by saying ah that happens?
02:52You
03:22You
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