00:00I don't like this because Tim Hardaway, who is beloved, all right, number 10 in the rafters
00:11and one time on this show, settled a great debate because he settled what is worse brain
00:18freeze or funny bone.
00:21And you have that to me, that was an all time from, from old Timmy because we, uh, man,
00:28he can break some things down.
00:29That's that is, that is the thing, killer crossover, number one point guard in heat
00:35history.
00:36I'll give it to him, but go around.
00:37You're closer than anything, dude.
00:38I love you.
00:39Um, he was on a little podcast called all the smoke.
00:43All right.
00:44I don't think the full episode is out.
00:45I think it's coming up after our show today.
00:47I think the whole episode comes out, but they put out a little promo clip.
00:52So this is going viral and he was discussing the Jimmy Butler, Pat Riley relationship,
01:03which of course even Tim Hardaway knows it can get tenacious with old Riles.
01:08He's been there speaking from a place of experience Leroy, but I didn't like what he, he went
01:15a little too far for me because I feel like it's, he's trying to drum some things.
01:22I'm just going to play the clip.
01:23I'm talking too much.
01:24I'm rambling.
01:25Here's Tim Hardaway.
01:26I'm talking and he boys right now, y'all finished the season off kind of Rocky, a rough press
01:32conference.
01:33The Godfather came out and you know, put his foot down.
01:36We ain't going for this.
01:37This is my show and whoever going to be here going to be here because I say so.
01:40I was waiting on that.
01:43I was waiting on that.
01:44I knew something was going to happen.
01:46I said, I told some people, I said, pack on talk this year.
01:51Especially, you know, he's tired of a lot of things that's going on with the team.
01:57He's tired of Jimmy Butler.
01:59Well, Tyler Herro too.
02:02He been babying Tyler Herro for a minute and he just staying her, he ain't showed up yet
02:05either.
02:06So I think it's, I think he was talking to him and Jimmy.
02:09More so if Jimmy didn't say nothing, you know, about, uh, other teams and you're not playing,
02:15it would have been all right.
02:16But when you came out and said that he, yeah, he's probably talking about both of them,
02:20but I think he really talked about, yeah, directly, yo, dude, you haven't played in
02:24a lot of games this year or last year.
02:27And especially in the playoffs, I need you to play in the playoffs.
02:30If you play more than 70 games, we wouldn't be in playing games two years in a row.
02:37All right.
02:38I need you to play.
02:39You need to take care of your body.
02:40You need to be in this gym, taking care of your body, not, not the gym, but the weight
02:44room, take care of your body and getting yourself straight.
02:47And I was waiting on that.
02:48We all understood all Miami heat people understood what Pat Riley was coming from and you see
02:55what they didn't do.
02:56Yeah.
02:57We're going to wait.
02:58Yeah.
02:59They taking a Jerry Jones approach.
03:00There you go.
03:01That was Tim Hardaway.
03:02Always.
03:03Now, now my question is we've had the same conversation and so why are you shocked?
03:13Well, that's somebody who's closer to it than you.
03:16I might add.
03:17Well, he's a goat.
03:19He's he's in the raft.
03:20Okay.
03:21Okay.
03:22Much respect.
03:23He's more familiar with Pat Riley than most.
03:25So what did he say?
03:26What was wrong?
03:27That was wrong.
03:28I didn't like him saying that.
03:29He, that Pat Riley's tired of Jimmy Butler.
03:31You know, I think we need to go.
03:32The guy's not playing.
03:33He probably said that himself.
03:37We're drumming up old stuff.
03:38I want to go into this year.
03:39I did.
03:40Well, I just, you know, I have to be, we have to report what's in the, in the, in the streets.
03:44One thing that Riley had a problem with us, the question for the public, hold on, hold
03:54on.
03:55That's not fair.
03:56We don't know.
03:57He could have brought it up himself.
03:58No.
03:59You know what?
04:00They're bringing up the one question from the press conference that you hold on, dude,
04:05hold on for 30 minutes.
04:08They bring up the one question you asked.
04:13That's not fair.
04:14Jimmy Butler had said, you know, if he was healthy, that Boston would have gone home.
04:20I know it's tough to live in hypotheticals, but if he was able to play and Terry was able
04:23to play, did you feel like the golf has gotten way too big with you in Boston?
04:27Or if you had your guys, it might've been more competitive.
04:31We played, you know, I've been involved in competition and playoffs against certain opponents
04:36that turned into hate, you know, I mean, even since we've been here, you know, I hate to
04:42use that word, but the competition gets so, so tough that, that you don't like one another.
04:48And so we played Boston four times, I think, in the playoffs since Jimmy's been here.
04:52So you know, you do develop some, some dislike for the other team, but they are this year,
05:00I think the best team in the league with the best roster in the league and made some great
05:06moves.
05:07Brad Stevens did a great job in getting Holiday and Porzingis.
05:11I think they've built their bench a little bit differently.
05:14And you know, for him to say that, you know, I thought, is that Jimmy trolling or is that
05:22Jimmy serious?
05:23You know, if you're not on the court playing against Boston or on the court playing against
05:30New York Knicks, you should keep your mouth shut and your criticism of those teams.
05:38Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
05:44Now, here's what I like.
05:47Here's what I like to do at this point.
05:52You can cry, you can whine, you can say, oh no.
05:57But did Pat Riley say anything wrong?
06:01No.
06:02Okay.
06:04Okay.
06:05So what's your problem?
06:06Did, did, wait, did, did, did Tim Hardaway say anything wrong?
06:14I don't know that he's tired of Jimmy Butler.
06:19When somebody said, if I came to you and we having a conversation, I say, you need to
06:23keep your mouth shut.
06:27She should keep your mouth shut.
06:28I don't like how you nailed that.
06:30Yeah.
06:31Hey, when I come at you like that, it'd have a little different meaning.
06:39He wasn't smiling.
06:40He got serious.
06:41I don't know if Jimmy was, look, he said, I don't know if Jimmy was trolling.
06:45He was smiling.
06:46And then he said, I don't know if he was serious.
06:49Look, when you say trolling, watch how his eyes bright up.
06:52Is that Jimmy trolling?
06:54See, smile.
06:55Is that Jimmy serious?
06:56You know.
06:57Right.
06:58If you're not on the court playing.
06:59Look at that.
07:00Look at his face.
07:01Against Boston or on the court playing against New York, you should keep your mouth shut.
07:05Now.
07:06So.
07:07And your criticism of those teams.
07:09I don't think anybody cares what you think.
07:14Everybody spoke truths.
07:16Everybody and, and if you're a basketball, if you're a Heat fan, you cannot tell me if
07:22Jimmy plays five to 10 more games, they don't have the two seed, right?
07:29So when you come at people with your comments, I want you to put all that together, right?
07:39And then maybe you should follow Pat Riley's advice when it comes to that topic.
07:45Shut up.
07:46Okay.
07:47But here's the thing.
07:48First of all, being called Heat Yoko Ono, which I don't appreciate.
07:51I don't appreciate that.
07:54That's the best nickname you've ever been given.
07:59But yeah.
08:01So how can you say, how can you be mad or disappointed with anybody said, Hey, nobody
08:09went after Jimmy.
08:10Okay.
08:11Here's the thing.
08:12And everything that everybody said was factual.
08:16So what's your problem?
08:18Here's my problem.
08:19It's kind of like, we're all here for Thanksgiving.
08:21We're at Heat Thanksgiving, right?
08:23And we had our tiff at the, at the 4th of July.
08:27Okay.
08:29And then old uncle Tim comes over and he goes, Hey Pat, telling Jimmy Butler to shut the
08:34hell up.
08:35Huh?
08:36And I'm like, Hey, why do you got to bring it up, Timmy?
08:37Why do you got to bring it up?
08:38He goes, and I think the thing he was most mad about was him talking that bleep when
08:44he wasn't playing.
08:45Not even that he wasn't playing, but that he was talking.
08:48We don't know.
08:49Maybe that wasn't what he was most upset about, Tim.
08:52We don't know, but Hey, no uncle Tim.
08:57But we can kind of tell by his facial expression and about the way he enunciated shut.
09:05And you know, for him to say that, you know, I thought, is that Jimmy trolling or is that
09:13Jimmy serious?
09:14You know, if you're not on the court playing against Boston or on the court playing against
09:21New York Knicks, you should keep your mouth shut.
09:23Can I say the way that he said trolling tells me that one day Jimmy Butler said something
09:31on social media, Pat Riley saw it and said, Hey, what the hell does this mean?
09:37Why is he saying this?
09:38And then in turn is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, Pat.
09:40He's trolling.
09:41And he's like, what the hell does trolling mean?
09:44They explained it.
09:45And now he's like, I don't know if Jimmy was trolling, but he doesn't like trolling.
09:51Pat Riley has no time for trolling Steve.
09:56All your fault.
09:57Mr. Hypothetical old pot store.
10:01I personally think that you shouldn't have a problem with it more than anybody for the
10:07simple fact that Joe ass brought up to come the question that led us down this path.
10:14Not fair.
10:16I'm going to say Pat Riley is out of line or Tim Hardaway is out of line here.
10:22You know, when you're out of line, you're out of line when you speak untruths, then
10:26you're out of line.
10:27But so I asked you this, is any one of these two guys out of line, do we have to keep bringing
10:36in an inline thing that he can't do it?
10:41He can't do it.
10:42Move on.
10:43Shut.
10:44Pots.
10:45Turtles.
10:46Your fault.
10:47Mr. Hypothetical.
10:48Mr. Mush strikes again.
10:50Damn you.
10:51Shut.
10:52Yeah.
10:53All I want is for Jimmy to play more.
10:59Right.
11:00But here's the problem.
11:04Health is not promised to you.
11:07So when you take those couple of bunnies because you're just tired or whatever, then you get
11:11hurt for real and miss time.
11:13It adds up.
11:15You see what I'm saying?
11:17And that's what happened.
11:20Tobin brought up politics at Thanksgiving.
11:25This is what it is.
11:26The facts are the facts.
11:27You're the worst.
11:28OK, you don't have to do that.
11:30You're piling on.
11:31And I don't appreciate it.
11:33Frog boy.
11:34I'm just saying you you seem to have a problem with the truth because you think you think
11:38it's going to hurt somebody feelings.
11:40No, it's just, you know, we didn't know.
11:42Just like we we could have just put a bow.
11:45So let me ask you this.
11:47There's no part of you that thinks.
11:52That if Jimmy would have played five or 10 more games, that the heat would have been
11:56a two seat.
11:57Of course.
11:58Then why don't you let me ask you this, then why don't you have a problem with that when
12:05some of the games missed weren't really about injury?
12:08It's clean slate time.
12:09Oh, you're bringing up old stuff, you know, we'll bring it up.
12:13Listen to it.
12:14Listen.
12:15Listen to this fraud right now.
12:17It's not fair.
12:19Listen to this for you, you right now.
12:22You are seriously into fraudulent behavior because I can name a couple of players.
12:28If the same thing happened, you would be all over them.
12:34Habitual grenade tosser.
12:36Yep.
12:37Jesus.
12:39Analyst Tobes, Tobin Shapiro.
12:42Oh, Toby, you bring up stuff from 2008.
12:46Knock it off, bro.
12:47What stuff do I bring up?
12:48See?
12:49Here we go.
12:50Here we go.
12:52Now you want facts.
12:53We give you facts and you dismiss them.
12:55So which do you want?
12:56Do you want the facts or not?
13:00I just want everybody to get along.
13:02We got we got camp, baby.
13:03You know, you know, we know when you know when everybody get along.
13:08And Jimmy play 70 games.
13:11That's all I care about.
13:12That's all.
13:13And why wouldn't he?
13:14Wasn't there a time?
13:15Why wouldn't Pat only care about that?
13:18Well, you know, it's his job to win games.
13:21Timmy's been on the other end of this as well.
13:23Couldn't he just say that's Pat being Pat?
13:25No, he didn't work.
13:26Look, I didn't care.
13:27He thought his knees were being soft.
13:31OK.
13:32And OK.
13:33So why can't he feel that way about Jim if that's what he felt about Tim?
13:39Pat Riley been Pat Riley longer than.
13:42Tim Hardaway been Tim Hardaway and Jimmy been Jimmy.
13:44That's just so true.
13:46Yeah.
13:47So I ask you time.
13:49You see Pat Riley handling situation like he's handled several other situations in the past.
13:56Why are you shocked?
14:02Goran would never do this on a podcast.
14:04He would never.
14:05Goran would never go on a podcast and say things that happened months ago.
14:09Look, even if he did, I'm not mad at him.
14:12You're the reason we didn't get any free agents this offseason.
14:16That's not true.
14:17You got to see a little.
14:18Blame.
14:19Wait, wait.
14:20Perks.
14:21Oh, yeah.
14:22That's right.
14:23How can I forget?
14:24We signed Drew Smith, though.
14:25All good.
14:26Stop bullying him.
14:27OK.
14:28OK.
14:29OK.
14:30OK.
14:31OK.
14:32OK.
14:33OK.
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