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Families of people harmed in accidents on Boeing airplanes hold a press briefing before the airline president testifies before the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
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00:00:00Nadia, the microphone is going to be here.
00:00:26So, okay, but I'd like everybody to be behind, you know what I mean?
00:00:35And maybe in the shade a little would help, too, for you guys.
00:00:38No, you're fine.
00:00:39No, no, you're fine.
00:00:40Yeah, that's good.
00:00:41That's better.
00:00:42Ten steps up, even, would be fine.
00:00:43Five steps up.
00:00:44Yeah, we can get in the shade, guys.
00:00:45Yeah, that's good.
00:00:46Okay.
00:00:47Hi, everybody.
00:00:48Okay, I'm nice to see you.
00:00:49Yeah, I just didn't want to be in the shadow.
00:00:50So, yeah, okay.
00:00:51I think you guys want to get on this side.
00:00:52Huh?
00:00:53Yeah.
00:00:54I know.
00:00:55Like, everybody take a second here.
00:00:56Yeah, keep a little bit more.
00:00:57Yeah, there you go.
00:00:58Yeah.
00:00:59Nadia, you said there.
00:01:00Yeah.
00:01:01Nadia.
00:01:02Nadia.
00:01:03Nadia.
00:01:04Nadia.
00:01:05Nadia.
00:01:06Nadia.
00:01:07Nadia.
00:01:08Nadia.
00:01:09Nadia.
00:01:10Nadia.
00:01:11Nadia.
00:01:12Nadia.
00:01:13Nadia.
00:01:15I can begin.
00:01:17Okay.
00:01:18Now, we're not going to start to zoom till one o'clock, which is seven minutes.
00:01:25Oh, okay.
00:01:26So, let me just get a couple of pictures here, so.
00:01:28Do you want one of them or?
00:01:33No, I think I'm good.
00:01:35Okay.
00:01:36You're good?
00:01:38Oh, wait.
00:01:39I think we just have to make sure our
00:02:39Okay, just so all of you know, this is going to be on Zoom, okay?
00:02:52And we have a speaker here that any media who wants to ask questions, you'll be able to hear them live.
00:03:00We're going to open up their microphones, no matter where they are around the world.
00:03:03They can hear you, and they can ask you directly, okay?
00:03:07And I think everybody knows that at 5 o'clock, I'm calling it by the 7 o'clock.
00:03:14So, outside of room 216.
00:03:17Outside of room 216 at the heart.
00:03:20Okay.
00:03:21Okay.
00:03:22The women's health staff said that was okay.
00:03:25Okay.
00:03:26So, we're not going to come back here.
00:03:29Chris, why don't you meet me in the room?
00:03:30It's in the sun. I got burned.
00:03:32Oh, you want to switch?
00:03:33Oh, sure.
00:03:34Right there.
00:03:35Thanks.
00:03:37I'm having a good time.
00:03:39I haven't had a chance to talk to any of you.
00:03:41Really?
00:03:42No.
00:03:43So, I assume you guys are just going to step up to the microphones, and whoever wants to say something.
00:03:55Yeah, as soon as you tell us that it's 1 o'clock or whatever.
00:03:59At 1 o'clock, right.
00:04:00And that's when we're going to open the Zoom meeting.
00:04:03And it is now 1256.
00:04:08So, I'm told the Zoom meeting is now open.
00:04:15Okay.
00:04:16So, it is open, but it wouldn't start speaking because we told you 1 o'clock.
00:04:19Okay.
00:04:20I could step up there, and then you can see about the levels.
00:04:24Sure.
00:04:25Okay, go ahead.
00:04:26All right.
00:04:27That'd be good.
00:04:28Matt, you'll be speaking first.
00:04:29Yeah.
00:04:30Okay.
00:04:31So, you guys, the microphone goes after her.
00:04:33So, just say, introduce yourself.
00:04:35Yep.
00:04:36My name is Nadia Milleron, N-A-D-I-A M-I-L-L-E-R-O-N.
00:04:45And my daughter is Samia Stumo, and she died on the Boeing plane ET-302, March 10, 2019.
00:05:01Okay, just stand by for a minute.
00:05:03I'll just tell the other people that are going to be here, for spelling's sake, we have the Moore family.
00:05:12So, we have Clarisse Moore, C-L-A-R-I-S-S-M-O-O-R-E, and David Moore, and their dad, Chris Moore.
00:05:27And then we also have Adnan Stumo, my son and Samia's brother, A-D-N-A-A-N, spelled, last name, S-T-U-M-O.
00:05:41And then we also have Catherine Berthet, and she'll spell her name when she gets up here for you.
00:05:49And Zipporah Curia, she'll also spell her name when she comes up.
00:05:55So, I am here today because David Calhoun...
00:06:00The dings that you hear are people coming on Zoom.
00:06:05Okay, okay.
00:06:08Do you want me to mute that?
00:06:10I can mute all that for now.
00:06:12Is somebody, nobody has arms for this?
00:06:16I have an extra hand for this.
00:06:18Maybe you can put it by your legs so people can see the...
00:06:21So, I just don't...
00:06:23Sorry.
00:06:25I just want to clear it from my end.
00:06:29You tell them they can come on in, and I'll open up the computer.
00:06:35I'm just checking with my tech people if the sound is okay on their end.
00:06:45We have one minute.
00:06:47Sure.
00:06:48And then everybody, whoever wants to step up and say whatever it is,
00:06:52we obviously have a little bit of a time deadline because we have to make a vote here.
00:06:56I've been told me that the families have row three.
00:06:59Row three?
00:07:00Right.
00:07:01In row 216.
00:07:04216, okay.
00:07:06Yeah, we'll walk over there.
00:07:19Back?
00:07:20Oh, sure.
00:07:21And back for the...
00:07:22Okay.
00:07:43Okay, now it's 1 o'clock and we're going to now begin.
00:07:46Okay.
00:07:47So, please step up and say whatever you want.
00:07:49Okay.
00:07:50My name is Nadia Milleron.
00:07:52I lost...
00:07:53We lost our daughter, Samia Stumo, in the Boeing crash in March 10, 2019.
00:08:00And the reason that we are still coming out to protest and speak up is because Boeing has not improved its safety,
00:08:09even since five years ago, even six and seven years ago.
00:08:14They knew about a lot of problems with manufacturing and they didn't improve it.
00:08:18So, you can see that this is real.
00:08:20David Calhoun is testifying before the Senate today.
00:08:24We expect him to say all about the improvements that they have made.
00:08:29The problem is that he is lobbying to reduce the...
00:08:35Through the funding of the FAA, the FAA Reauthorization Act,
00:08:42David Calhoun and his lobbyists are lobbying to weaken oversight and weaken the controls over safety.
00:08:49They are pushing for that right now in the process of lobbying Congress.
00:08:55And then he's going to tell you today that he is pushing for safety.
00:08:59But the problem is also that every single element, every single rubric that he has in place to push for safety,
00:09:08he had in place five years ago.
00:09:10It's just that they don't follow it.
00:09:12So, when they get pressed for time and they need to produce a lot of planes quickly,
00:09:16they throw all of their safety rubrics out the window.
00:09:20And they tell the people that work at Boeing, don't pay attention to that.
00:09:23Don't pay attention to that.
00:09:24We need to produce planes faster.
00:09:26So, it isn't about what he has in place.
00:09:28He does have everything in place in terms of procedure and policy that he needs to have in place.
00:09:34He just doesn't follow it.
00:09:36And this puts the public at risk.
00:09:38And then we saw the Alaska blowout.
00:09:40Everybody saw that.
00:09:42But you guys are not looking to see that pilots are reporting dangerous conditions all the time.
00:09:48They are reporting challenges.
00:09:51They are reporting the stabilizer trim motors going out.
00:09:57If those stabilizer trim motors go out at a high altitude, those planes are going to crash.
00:10:03Those are manufacturing defects.
00:10:05Now the FAA says, we will put in place 50 supervisors, 50 inspectors into the Boeing production facility.
00:10:14They need to put 100 or more in order to actually see what is going on in the facility.
00:10:1950 is not going to do it.
00:10:20The 20 that they put in several weeks ago is not going to do it.
00:10:25They have to do what is necessary to secure the safety of the flying public.
00:10:30And they haven't done it yet after all this time, which is crazy.
00:10:35So, that's why we're still here.
00:10:37We're working to help prevent a third crash and get the pressure of the American public to demand aviation safety.
00:10:46Real aviation safety, not just on paper.
00:10:49Thank you.
00:11:08The Alaska blowout on the side of the plane cannot be blamed on pilots.
00:11:14So, before this, Boeing was always saying, and the FAA was saying, oh, it's the pilots that caused this problem to happen and that problem to happen.
00:11:22But the side of the plane coming off is clearly a production defect.
00:11:27The plane was only two months old, I believe.
00:11:30It was a new plane.
00:11:31So, that's what caused the attention and the scrutiny and the focus.
00:11:35And I am very, very sorry for those Alaska airplane passengers.
00:11:39But the good thing is nobody died.
00:11:41They were injured.
00:11:42They were, some of them, severely injured, but they didn't die.
00:11:46And their experience caused all of the public and the press and the Congress and the FAA to focus on what's essential,
00:11:56which is there are so many manufacturing defects that there can be a third crash.
00:12:01And there almost was.
00:12:03It was about as close as you can get without actually having a crash.
00:12:06So, that made the difference.
00:12:08Thank you.
00:12:09Anybody else have a question for me?
00:12:11Okay.
00:12:23My name is Chris Moore, C-H-R-I-S, Moore, M-O-O-R-E.
00:12:29And my daughter is Danielle Moore, D-A-N-I-E-L-L-E.
00:12:34My name is Clarice Moore, C-L-A-R-I-S-S, Moore, M-O-O-R-E.
00:12:41Our daughter is Danielle Moore.
00:12:43We travel here.
00:12:44We actually drove nine hours from Toronto to be in the hearing today to hear Cajon.
00:12:52We are here today standing even though we drove so far away just to hear what Cajon would say for us today in the hearing
00:13:03because all we heard from him, coming from him, is that safety is our number one priority.
00:13:10That safety, that number one priority of Boeing, of their CEOs, of their management, of their engineer,
00:13:18doesn't mean anything when 346 people died.
00:13:24We are here today and driving here.
00:13:28It doesn't matter how far because all I could think is the six minutes and four seconds of my daughter on that Boeing 37 Max.
00:13:42Did she cry for me?
00:13:47Did she know that will be his last breath?
00:13:53Did someone hold their hands?
00:13:56So Cajon, Boeing, CEO, management, did you hear my daughter cry?
00:14:05I want them to answer and give us all the transparency.
00:14:09And I want them to be held accountable for murdering 346 lives.
00:14:16It's not only the 346 lives that they destroyed.
00:14:21They destroyed thousands and thousands of lives.
00:14:26I will never get a chance to see, hold, hug, kiss, and hear my daughter's voice ever again.
00:14:36Only maybe on my nightmares of that six minutes.
00:14:41So for him to say safety is number one issue,
00:14:48that is not, even worse, mean anything to me.
00:14:53To me, justice is for them to be held accountable and be criminally charged.
00:15:01And to face us in trial, give us our day in trial with them, with all of them.
00:15:08Not only the Boeing, the management and its CEO.
00:15:13We're here to bear witness of the current CEO of Boeing,
00:15:18who was present in the C-suite during the second crash.
00:15:23That day was a nightmare for me, and it still is a nightmare.
00:15:27I have to live that every night.
00:15:29I still wake up at 3 a.m.
00:15:31I still have problems.
00:15:33A lot of issues, other medical issues I won't get into right now.
00:15:37But this man was present.
00:15:41He knew before the second crash that there were issues with that plane.
00:15:46The entire MCAS CERT plan was noncompliant.
00:15:52It wasn't just a rogue technical pilot.
00:15:58It was the entire MCAS.
00:16:02They were trying to downplay the MCAS with the FAA.
00:16:06In fact, the CERT plan that they provided to the FAA
00:16:10was not the actual MCAS that was on the plane that crashed.
00:16:15They also provided Transport Canada and YASA
00:16:20with a noncompliant MCAS certification plan.
00:16:24And their agreements are required to have the validating authority
00:16:31accept what is provided by the manufacturer as the truth.
00:16:38So this is about truth as well.
00:16:42We want to seek total transparency of what happened,
00:16:46especially after the first crash, but also before.
00:16:50And we're not getting that.
00:16:52We're not getting it through any channels.
00:16:54And the only way to do that is through a criminal trial.
00:16:57That is the only way.
00:16:59And so we are here, as I said, to bear witness,
00:17:02to see what this CEO will say.
00:17:07They're having a lot of quality lapses.
00:17:09Those quality lapses were there on the plane in the plant before the first crash
00:17:15when Ed Pearson testified before Congress
00:17:19and said that he actually quit because of the problems with manufacturing
00:17:24before the first crash.
00:17:26And I think at that time there was only 200 MAX planes in the air.
00:17:29They could have stopped right then and there and said,
00:17:31yeah, we better fix this.
00:17:33They didn't.
00:17:34Now there's, what, 4,000 some MAX planes in the air.
00:17:38It's very difficult now to retrofit everything.
00:17:41But they still have issues, noncompliance issues, nonconformance issues,
00:17:45and even the FAA has gone along hook, line, and sinker with what they want
00:17:50because they have that much power.
00:17:52They have that much command over the aviation industry.
00:17:55It's a duopoly and a monopoly in the United States.
00:17:59That's a problem.
00:18:00That's a problem for all the flyers.
00:18:03Think about that too when you book your next plane.
00:18:06Any questions from anybody?
00:18:08How much influence do you think today's hearing is going to have
00:18:11over DOJ's decision about whether to prosecute Boeing Criminal?
00:18:16I hope they listen to what Calhoun has to say
00:18:21and also check it with the facts.
00:18:24The Department of Justice told us they had everything that's in the House report,
00:18:28and so I am at odds as to why they were not charged with manslaughter.
00:18:35If they had the information,
00:18:36they could have had a more serious indictment against Boeing.
00:18:42What they did is they actually benefited Boeing.
00:18:46They actually rewarded them.
00:18:48The amount that they had to pay was so minuscule
00:18:51in comparison to what has been lost and the damage to the industry.
00:18:55And look what it's causing them right now.
00:18:57It's better to own up, fix it, get on the right track.
00:19:01I think a lot of people, when they see the amount they're going to pay,
00:19:04think, oh, well, it's terrible what happened to the families,
00:19:07but they got very well compensated.
00:19:10Yes, they actually, I think the year of the crash,
00:19:14they brought in $100 billion.
00:19:18The CEO currently is supposed to be leaving Boeing,
00:19:23but being paid $33 million as, I guess, a golden parachute.
00:19:30He's coming back to the board, though, from what I understand.
00:19:32So how are they correcting the problem by doing that?
00:19:37They're just rewarding the same old people.
00:19:39It's, again, a different part of the revolving door issue
00:19:43that is happening with the FAA consultants and with Boeing
00:19:47and other suppliers.
00:19:49And it has to stop.
00:19:51There has to be more accountability.
00:19:53There are no professional engineers who are required
00:19:56to be certifying planes either.
00:19:58So they're just having engineers or graduates
00:20:02or other employees to certify this.
00:20:06But without that professional liability,
00:20:09without any recourse for professional misconduct,
00:20:12how can you ensure the safety of the flying public?
00:20:15You can't.
00:20:17Simple.
00:20:19Anything else?
00:20:21Anybody else want to speak?
00:20:28Hi, everyone.
00:20:30My name is Adnan Stumo.
00:20:32You heard from my mother.
00:20:34My sister, Samia, was killed on the plane,
00:20:37and I'm here very simply to confront her killer.
00:20:41He was aware of all the design defects.
00:20:46He was one of the head decision-makers
00:20:49to put the plane in the air,
00:20:51to keep the plane in the air after Lion Air crashed
00:20:54in late October, five months before.
00:20:57And he is a mass killer,
00:21:01and I want to look him in the face.
00:21:04If there's no risk of jail time for these decision-makers
00:21:08who play with our lives, then there will be no change.
00:21:11We can go through FAA certifications,
00:21:14all of that regulation strengthening the safety
00:21:17of the flying public is important,
00:21:19but there needs to be criminal charges for the people at the top,
00:21:23the people in the driver's seat who are responsible for 346 deaths,
00:21:28including that of my sister,
00:21:30in every single face that you see here.
00:21:33That's all.
00:21:36I want to answer Lisa's question just briefly
00:21:39in terms of compensation to the victims.
00:21:41So Boeing compensated the victims only through insurance.
00:21:44It didn't hurt the company at all.
00:21:47Compared to $30 million, more than $30 million,
00:21:51that Calhoun is walking away with as a bonus package,
00:21:54and then the $60-something million that Muhlenberg walked away,
00:21:58no single victim received anything like those compensations.
00:22:03So if anybody has a question about compensation
00:22:06and the value of human life,
00:22:08would you trade your child or your father
00:22:12or anything for several million dollars?
00:22:15And then do you think it's just that the people who kill our family members
00:22:20get, you know, over tens of millions of dollars?
00:22:24Is that justice? No.
00:22:26And it doesn't hurt Boeing at all,
00:22:28so they have never had to feel any pain at all.
00:22:31They just paid out through insurance.
00:22:33No punitive damage, no accountability.
00:22:35Thank you.
00:22:39Hello, everyone.
00:22:40My name is Zipporah Korea.
00:22:42I'm just going to put this down.
00:22:44Thank you.
00:22:46My name is Zipporah Korea.
00:22:48That's Z-I-P-P-O-R-A-H.
00:22:50I'm from London.
00:22:52Can you hear me?
00:22:53Everyone hear me?
00:22:54So, yeah.
00:22:56Hi, my name is Zipporah Korea.
00:22:58That's Z-I-P-P-O-R-A-H-K-U-R-I-A.
00:23:02I lost my dad, Joseph Korea, who was 55 years old.
00:23:06My being here is so that Calhoun can see my father's face
00:23:12and see the cost of his decisions.
00:23:14I mean, if we are here living in this nightmare
00:23:17that doesn't seem to end of what has now become our lives,
00:23:20why should the people who made decisions
00:23:22continue to not face the people that they let down?
00:23:25This is literally your $30 million,
00:23:28the money that you're retiring with.
00:23:31This is the cost of it.
00:23:33This is the blood that is on your hands.
00:23:35These are weddings that daughters will never have their fathers
00:23:39walk them down the aisle for.
00:23:41These are parents that will never see their children walk, talk,
00:23:46go to high school, graduate, have jobs,
00:23:50have their first driving lessons.
00:23:53And I'm just here so this can be the image.
00:23:55And also really here for the public to remind you guys
00:23:59to keep pushing.
00:24:00Pay attention because in one instant,
00:24:03we were tweeting condolences to Lion Air victims,
00:24:06and in the next instance, we were the ones receiving
00:24:08those tweets of, we're so sorry for your loss.
00:24:11And it's needless.
00:24:13And I don't have much more to add than what the other families
00:24:16have already said, but to just say we're living in a world
00:24:20where people pay with their lives and people profit
00:24:30and governments and Congress and FAA,
00:24:33people just continue to look aside.
00:24:35My question to Congress even today is why pay attention now?
00:24:39Why pay attention now?
00:24:42Why not for the last five years that we have continually fought?
00:24:46We have been a muffled scream that has been screaming
00:24:48and no one has been paying attention.
00:24:51I don't want to say that this hearing doesn't mean much,
00:24:54but I really hope that he can just face what he has done.
00:24:59That's pretty much what I have to say.
00:25:01I don't know if anyone has any questions for me.
00:25:07Okay, thank you.
00:25:09Okay, does anybody else want to speak here?
00:25:12We are Zooming this.
00:25:14Are there other questions on Zoom?
00:25:17We have a number of reporters.
00:25:21Yes, hello, everybody.
00:25:23My name is Catherine Berthe, C-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E, Berthe, B-E-R-T-H-E-T.
00:25:34I'm coming from Paris.
00:25:36I lost my daughter Camille, C-A-M-I-L-L-E-G-E-O-F-R-O-Y, Camille Jouffroy.
00:25:50She was 28 at the time of the crash,
00:25:52and she worked as a humanitarian in very dangerous countries in Africa in refugee camps.
00:26:02She dedicated her life, her work life, to other people and to poor people.
00:26:08She wanted the good in the world.
00:26:11That day, she was en route for her new work in Kenya,
00:26:17where she would have been safer because she worked in very, very dangerous conditions.
00:26:24Often, she had taken planes that were very, very dangerous in Africa,
00:26:31with 10 people on board or 12 people on board and in very bad conditions.
00:26:36She used to tell me, OK, it's dangerous, and I used to tell her,
00:26:40oh, please, please call me when you arrive.
00:26:42That day, she told me, OK, Mom, when we were driving to the airport on the 9th of March,
00:26:49she told me, OK, Mom,
00:26:51now you don't have to be worried or concerned when I will fly
00:26:55because I will only fly commercial planes, commercial flights.
00:26:59You will be safe.
00:27:01And the day afterwards, in the morning,
00:27:06I learned that her commercial plane, her safe plane, had actually crashed.
00:27:13And I come here, I come here in the United States as often as I can
00:27:20when there are hearings or appointments or something like that
00:27:25because we owe that to all the victims here,
00:27:30the ones we show you and the ones we don't show you.
00:27:34Those 346 people who have died because of Boeing and who would still be there,
00:27:41would Boeing have done what they had to do?
00:27:44Stop, that is to say, stop the 737 MAX production when it was still time
00:27:51because this is new.
00:27:53And they first made that error who was the cause of the GPA.
00:27:59They lied about the MCAS,
00:28:01but they had the chance to ground the plane immediately after the first crash,
00:28:06but they didn't do that.
00:28:10They decided to go on with that plane, to continue selling that.
00:28:15The plane that crashed in March 2019 was delivered in October.
00:28:25So it was a brand new plane,
00:28:27but they bet that there would be no crash within two years,
00:28:33but the crash happened only four months afterwards.
00:28:37And I'm here because I want to see Calhoun try to explain
00:28:42how he made his safest plane in the world
00:28:48because this is what he's saying.
00:28:50Our planes are the safest and the most scrutinized planes in the world.
00:28:56Well, you can see, every people can see what it is.
00:29:00There was the Alaska Airlines blowout
00:29:03and there are so many SDRs, so many incidents that are reported.
00:29:07This is a scandal.
00:29:09And you can actually wonder how it can happen
00:29:12because actually they had two years after the second crash
00:29:15when the plane was grounding,
00:29:17when there was COVID, at the period of COVID,
00:29:21there was no one in the air, so they had time to change everything.
00:29:25And they had actually got away with murder
00:29:30because they had the DPA and they had three years to progress,
00:29:34to improve their process, to improve their safety process.
00:29:40And actually they did nothing.
00:29:42And now it becomes apparent.
00:29:44So now time has come, now they have to be made accountable
00:29:48because this cannot be denied,
00:29:51that they didn't do anything they could have.
00:29:54And, you know, we already know,
00:29:57and maybe you as journalists already know what he will say.
00:30:01He will say, OK, I apologize for all those victims
00:30:04and every day I think about the victims.
00:30:07But what does he think?
00:30:09It's insulting to say that.
00:30:11We perfectly know that he doesn't think every day at all the victims.
00:30:15If he did that, if he would do that,
00:30:17then there wouldn't have been Alaska Airlines accident.
00:30:21We wouldn't be there.
00:30:23That's why I'm here.
00:30:27Are there any questions for Catherine here?
00:30:30I have a question for any of the family members.
00:30:32What do you do if DOJ decides not to prosecute criminals?
00:30:35Appeal.
00:30:37If he decides not to prosecute, it is your question.
00:30:40Yes.
00:30:41Yes, we go and see, yes.
00:30:43Well, first judge may not agree with DOJ first.
00:30:47That would be our hope.
00:30:49But then we appeal immediately.
00:30:51So you're all prepared to do that?
00:30:53Yes.
00:30:54We will not give up.
00:30:56We will not give up.
00:30:57We appeal directly to the judge, directly to Reed O'Connor,
00:31:00who was tasked by the appellate court to look out for the public interest.
00:31:06They said Judge Reed O'Connor can look out for the public interest
00:31:11without listening to what DOJ wants.
00:31:15The case has already been filed.
00:31:17Charges have already been filed against the defendant Boeing.
00:31:20Judge Reed O'Connor can take this into his own hands,
00:31:23and that's what we'll appeal to him to do.
00:31:25And Judge O'Connor was also the one who said that this DPA
00:31:31and those deaths, the loved ones who died,
00:31:35that was the deadliest corporate crime in the American history.
00:31:40So we are confident that there will be prosecution.
00:31:44The DOJ has the opportunity,
00:31:47the unique opportunity for five years now to do the right thing.
00:31:53And let's make it clear as well, like the ET302 families,
00:31:57this isn't just a fight about us.
00:31:59It's a fight for the safety of the public.
00:32:01We will not relent.
00:32:03We will not stop.
00:32:04It's been five years.
00:32:05We're still here, and we'll keep going for as long as we need to.
00:32:07And I just hope that the public, if they fail us,
00:32:10that you guys don't fail yourselves, that you join us in this fight.
00:32:13Don't just share another repost.
00:32:15Actually write to your representatives.
00:32:17A lot of us don't even have jurisdiction in the U.S.
00:32:19We don't have much of a say-so.
00:32:21But we will keep showing up, not just for our loved ones,
00:32:24but for you guys as well.
00:32:25And I think that that's the one thing.
00:32:27Regardless of what this outcome is,
00:32:29we have been dealt more blows than most have ever had to.
00:32:32We have had to fight the DOJ.
00:32:34We've had to fight, you know, Boeing.
00:32:37And it doesn't end now.
00:32:39Like, look at the people that are standing here.
00:32:41Year in, year out.
00:32:43Whether it's 10 years, 50 years, we'll be here fighting still.
00:32:50And if you look at the character of the people involved,
00:32:53David Calhoun makes money off of bombs that kill innocent people.
00:32:57And now Israel has just bailed them out and bought a lot of 737 MAX planes.
00:33:03And so if you look at that, just look at that reality, okay?
00:33:07So there are people in tents, and they get burned up by Boeing bombs.
00:33:12Is David Calhoun upset about that?
00:33:14Does that give him nightmares?
00:33:16Does it give him nightmares that his bombs kill little kids,
00:33:1940 little kids at a time?
00:33:21Does that make him upset?
00:33:23This is the person who's saying that he cares about safety.
00:33:25This is the person that says he cares about our loved ones.
00:33:29The person who makes a maximum amount of money off of the death of our loved ones
00:33:34and also the death of other innocent people.
00:33:41Yes, yes, I would add something because you were talking about...
00:33:47Yes, this is an international problem.
00:33:49This is not only an American problem.
00:33:51Boeing is the biggest company in the United States.
00:33:54But like you see, in the EG302 crash,
00:33:58there were many, many nationalities from everywhere in the world.
00:34:01And Boeing, 737 MAX, and all Boeing airplanes are flying all over the world.
00:34:07And so this is an international problem.
00:34:10This is an international issue.
00:34:12And all the flying public around the world, they have to be aware.
00:34:18When your children, when you yourself, you have to fly,
00:34:22because you want to fly from a point A to a point B in the world,
00:34:27you don't have to be afraid of taking planes.
00:34:30You have to fly safely.
00:34:32As personally, my nephew is currently for one year in Australia.
00:34:38And while I know that in France there are no 737 MAX 8 or 9 or anything,
00:34:44I know that in Australia there are so many and I'm so afraid for him.
00:34:49But I can't be afraid for the totality of the people in the world
00:34:53because I don't know them.
00:34:55I would just want them to fly safely.
00:34:57And this is a question, this happens in the United States,
00:35:01but they act for the international world, for all the country.
00:35:06This is for all those people that we act and that we are here.
00:35:11Thank you, Catherine.
00:35:13Are there any other questions here or anyone else need to say anything?
00:35:17Any of the family members?
00:35:19Because it's about 1.30 and we need to head over now to the hearing.
00:35:24And then we will gather again on that same Zoom link
00:35:28for your reactions and comments after we hear what Mr. Felton says.
00:35:34So thank you very much, everybody, for coming.
00:35:38And we will hopefully see you then later in the day.
00:35:41Good afternoon. Thank you.
00:36:03Thank you.
00:36:33Thank you.
00:37:03Thank you.
00:37:33Thank you.
00:38:03Thank you.
00:38:34Thank you.
00:38:56We're shooting.
00:38:58We're shooting.
00:39:03Okay.
00:39:34Nadia?
00:39:38The microphone is going to be here.
00:39:41So...
00:39:45Okay.
00:39:47But I'd like everybody to be behind, you know what I mean?
00:39:50And maybe in the shade a little would help too for you guys.
00:39:53No, you're fine.
00:39:55No, no, you're fine.
00:39:57Yeah, that's better.
00:39:59Ten steps up even would be fine, five steps up.
00:40:02Yeah, we can get in the shade.
00:40:07The picture is the way they are.
00:40:10Yeah, that's good. Okay.
00:40:13Hi, everybody.
00:40:15Yeah, I just didn't want to be in the shot.
00:40:18You guys want to get on this side?
00:40:20Huh?
00:40:22Like everybody take a step here.
00:40:25Yeah, keep a little bit more. Yeah, there you go.
00:40:28Yeah.
00:40:30I can begin.
00:40:35Okay, now, we're not going to set the zoom to one o'clock, which is seven minutes.
00:40:40Oh, okay.
00:40:41So let me just get a couple pictures here.
00:40:43So...
00:40:48No, I think I'm good.
00:40:52You're good?
00:40:54I think we just have to make sure our signs aren't facing forward.
00:41:00Okay.
00:41:16Lisa.
00:41:30Okay.
00:42:01Okay, just so all of you know, this is going to be on Zoom, okay?
00:42:06And we have a speaker here that any media who wants to ask questions, you will be able to hear them live.
00:42:14They're going to open up their microphones, no matter where they are around the world.
00:42:17They can hear you, and they can ask you directly.
00:42:20Okay?
00:42:22And I think everybody knows that at five o'clock, I'm calling you by your name.
00:42:26Okay.
00:42:32Outside of room 216 at the heart.
00:42:35Okay.
00:42:37Okay.
00:42:39Okay.
00:42:41So, we're not going to come back here.
00:42:44Chris, why don't you move in a little bit more?
00:42:46It's in the sun. I got burned.
00:42:48Oh, you want to switch?
00:42:50Oh, sure.
00:42:52Thanks.
00:42:54I haven't had a chance to talk to any of you, really.
00:43:06So, I assume you guys are just going to step up to the microphones, and whoever wants to say something.
00:43:10Yeah, as soon as you tell us that it's one o'clock, or whatever.
00:43:14At one o'clock, right.
00:43:16And that's when we're going to open the Zoom meeting, and it is now 1256.
00:43:24So, I'm told the Zoom meeting is now open.
00:43:30Okay.
00:43:31So, it is open, but it wouldn't start speaking because we told you one o'clock.
00:43:34Okay.
00:43:35I could step up there, and then you can see about the levels.
00:43:39Sure.
00:43:40Okay.
00:43:41Go ahead.
00:43:42That'd be good.
00:43:43You'll be speaking first, Nadia?
00:43:44Yeah.
00:43:45Okay.
00:43:46So, yes, the microphone goes after her.
00:43:48So, just say, introduce yourself.
00:43:50Yep.
00:43:51My name is Nadia Milleron, N-A-D-I-A M-I-L-L-E-R-O-N, and my daughter is Samia Stumo.
00:44:03She died on the Boeing plane ET-302, March 10th, 2019.
00:44:15Okay.
00:44:16Could you stand by for a minute?
00:44:18I'll just tell the other people that are going to be here, for spelling sake, we have the Moore family.
00:44:26So, we have Clarisse Moore, C-L-A-R-I-S-S-M-O-O-R-E, and David Moore, and their dad, Chris Moore.
00:44:41And then we also have Adnan Stumo, my son and Samia's brother, A-D-N-A-A-N, spelled, last name, S-T-U-M-O.
00:44:55And then we also have Catherine Berthet, and she'll spell her name when she gets up here for you,
00:45:03and Zipporah Curia, she'll also spell her name when she comes up.
00:45:09So, I am here today because David Calhoun...
00:45:14The dings that you hear are people coming on Zoom.
00:45:20Okay, okay.
00:45:22So...
00:45:23Do you want to mute that?
00:45:24What?
00:45:25I can mute all that for now.
00:45:27Would somebody...
00:45:28Okay.
00:45:29Nobody has arms for this.
00:45:31I have an extra hand.
00:45:33Maybe you can put it by your legs so people can see the...
00:45:36I just don't...
00:45:37Sorry.
00:45:39I just want to clear it from my end.
00:45:43You tell them to give you one minute, and I'll open up the computer.
00:45:50I'm just checking with my tech people if the sound is okay on their end.
00:46:00We have one minute to keep this going.
00:46:02Sure.
00:46:03And then everybody who ever wants to step up and say whatever it is,
00:46:06we obviously have a little bit of a time deadline because we have to make a hearing.
00:46:11I've been told that the families have row three.
00:46:14Row three?
00:46:15Right, in row 216.
00:46:18216, okay.
00:46:20Yeah, we'll walk over there.
00:46:34Back?
00:46:35Oh, sure.
00:46:36And back for the...
00:46:37Okay.
00:46:58Okay, now it's 1 o'clock, and we're going to now begin.
00:47:01Okay.
00:47:02So please step up and say whatever you want.
00:47:04Okay.
00:47:05My name is Nadia Milleron.
00:47:07I lost...
00:47:08We lost our daughter, Samia Stumo, in the Boeing crash on March 10, 2019.
00:47:15And the reason that we are still coming out to protest and speak up
00:47:20is because Boeing has not improved its safety,
00:47:24even since five years ago, even six and seven years ago.
00:47:28They knew about a lot of problems with manufacturing, and they didn't improve it.
00:47:32So you can see that this is real.
00:47:35David Calhoun is testifying before the Senate today.
00:47:38We expect him to say all about the improvements that they have made.
00:47:44The problem is that he is lobbying to reduce through the funding of the FAA,
00:47:53the FAA Reauthorization Act,
00:47:56David Calhoun and his lobbyists are lobbying to weaken oversight
00:48:01and weaken the controls over safety.
00:48:04They are pushing for that right now in the process of lobbying Congress.
00:48:09And then he's going to tell you today that he is pushing for safety.
00:48:14But the problem is also that every single element,
00:48:18every single rubric that he has in place to push for safety,
00:48:22he had in place five years ago.
00:48:25It's just that they don't follow it.
00:48:27So when they get pressed for time and they need to produce a lot of planes quickly,
00:48:31they throw all of their safety rubrics out the window.
00:48:35And they tell the people that work at Boeing,
00:48:37don't pay attention to that, don't pay attention to that.
00:48:39We need to produce planes faster.
00:48:41So it isn't about what he has in place.
00:48:43He does have everything in place in terms of procedure and policy
00:48:47that he needs to have in place.
00:48:49He just doesn't follow it.
00:48:51And this puts the public at risk.
00:48:53And then we saw the Alaska blowout.
00:48:55Everybody saw that.
00:48:57But you guys are not looking to see that pilots are reporting dangerous conditions all the time.
00:49:03They are reporting challenges.
00:49:05They are reporting the stabilizer trim motors going out.
00:49:11If those stabilizer trim motors go out at a high altitude,
00:49:15those planes are going to crash.
00:49:17Those are manufacturing defects.
00:49:19Now the FAA says we will put in place 50 supervisors,
00:49:2350 inspectors into the Boeing production facility.
00:49:27They need to put 100 or more in order to actually see what is going on in the facility.
00:49:3350 is not going to do it.
00:49:35The 20 that they put in several weeks ago is not going to do it.
00:49:39They have to do what is necessary to secure the safety of the flying public.
00:49:44And they haven't done it yet.
00:49:46They haven't done it yet after all this time, which is crazy.
00:49:51So that's why we're still here.
00:49:53We're working to help prevent a third crash
00:49:56and get the pressure of the American public to demand aviation safety,
00:50:01real aviation safety, not just on paper.
00:50:04Thank you.
00:50:06This has been a bit of a lone wolf campaign for the families for the last four years,
00:50:11and it seems like you finally hit noise level and the people are paying attention.
00:50:15We have more whistleblowers coming out, a brand new one at the hearing today.
00:50:19Congress is clearly paying more attention.
00:50:21What caused the shift?
00:50:23The Alaska blowout on the side of the plane cannot be blamed on pilots.
00:50:29So before this, Boeing was always saying and the FAA was saying,
00:50:32oh, it's the pilots that caused this problem to happen and that problem to happen.
00:50:36But the side of the plane coming off is clearly a production defect.
00:50:42The plane was only two months old, I believe.
00:50:44It was a new plane.
00:50:46So that's what caused the attention and the scrutiny and the focus.
00:50:50And I am very, very sorry for those Alaska airplane passengers,
00:50:54but the good thing is nobody died.
00:50:56They were injured.
00:50:57They were, some of them, severely injured, but they didn't die.
00:51:01And their experience caused all of the public and the press and the Congress and the FAA
00:51:09to focus on what's essential, which is there are so many manufacturing defects
00:51:14that there can be a third crash, and there almost was.
00:51:18It was about as close as you can get without actually having a crash.
00:51:21So that made the difference.
00:51:23Thank you.
00:51:24Anybody else have a question for me?
00:51:26Okay.
00:51:31None?
00:51:33I'll let somebody else go.
00:51:35Chris?
00:51:36Go ahead.
00:51:37Chris Moore.
00:51:38My name is Chris Moore, C-H-R-I-S, Moore, M-O-O-R-E,
00:51:44and my daughter is Danielle Moore, D-A-N-I-E-L-L-E.
00:51:49My name is Clarice Moore, C-L-A-R-I-S-S, Moore, M-O-O-R-E.
00:51:55My daughter is Danielle Moore.
00:51:58We travel here.
00:51:59We actually drove nine hours from Toronto to be in the hearing today to hear Cajon.
00:52:07We are here today standing, even though we drove so far away,
00:52:12just to hear what Cajon would say for us today in the hearing
00:52:18because all we heard from him, coming from him, is that safety is our number one priority.
00:52:26That safety, that number one priority of Boeing, of their CEOs, of their management, of their engineer,
00:52:33doesn't mean anything when 346 people died.
00:52:40We are here today and driving here.
00:52:43It doesn't matter how far because all I could think is the six minutes
00:52:51and four seconds of my daughter on that Boeing 37 Max.
00:52:58Did she cry for me?
00:53:02Did she know that will be his last breath?
00:53:08Did someone hold their hands?
00:53:11So Cajon, Boeing, CEO, management, did you hear my daughter cry?
00:53:20I want them to answer and give us all the transparency,
00:53:25and I want them to be held accountable for murdering 346 lives.
00:53:32It's not only the 346 lives that they destroyed.
00:53:37They destroyed thousands and thousands of lives.
00:53:42I will never get a chance to see, hold, hug, kiss, and hear my daughter's voice ever again,
00:53:52only maybe on my nightmares of that six minutes.
00:53:57So for him to say safety is number one issue, that is not, even worse, mean anything to me.
00:54:09To me, justice is for them to be held accountable and be criminally charged
00:54:17and to face us in trial, give us our day in trial with them, with all of them,
00:54:23not only the Boeing, the management and its CEO.
00:54:27We're here to bear witness of the current CEO of Boeing
00:54:33who was present in the C-suite during the second crash.
00:54:38That day was a nightmare for me, and it still is a night.
00:54:41I have to live that every night. I still wake up at 3 a.m.
00:54:45I still have problems, a lot of issues, other medical issues I won't get into right now,
00:54:52but this man was present.
00:54:55He knew before the second crash that there were issues with that plane.
00:55:01The entire MCAS cert plan was noncompliant.
00:55:07It wasn't just a rogue technical pilot.
00:55:13It was the entire MCAS.
00:55:16They were trying to downplay the MCAS with the FAA.
00:55:21In fact, the cert plan that they provided to the FAA
00:55:25was not the actual MCAS that was on the plane that crashed.
00:55:30They also provided Transport Canada and YASA
00:55:34with a noncompliant MCAS certification plan.
00:55:39Their agreements are required to have the validating authority
00:55:45accept what is provided by the manufacturer as the truth.
00:55:52So this is about truth as well.
00:55:55And we want to seek total transparency of what happened,
00:56:01especially after the first crash, but also before.
00:56:05And we're not getting that. We're not getting it through any channels.
00:56:08And the only way to do that is through a criminal trial.
00:56:11That is the only way.
00:56:13And so we are here, as I said, to bear witness, to see what this CEO will say.
00:56:21They're having a lot of quality lapses.
00:56:23Those quality lapses were there on the plane in the plant before the first crash
00:56:29when Ed Pearson testified before Congress
00:56:33and said that he actually quit because of the problems with manufacturing
00:56:38before the first crash.
00:56:41And I think at that time there was only 200 MAX planes in the air.
00:56:44They could have stopped right then and there and said,
00:56:46yeah, we better fix this. They didn't.
00:56:48Now there's, what, 4,000-some MAX planes in the air.
00:56:52It's very difficult now to retrofit everything.
00:56:55But they still have issues, noncompliance issues, nonconformance issues.
00:57:00And even the FAA has gone along hook, line, and sinker with what they want
00:57:05because they have that much power.
00:57:07They have that much command over the aviation industry.
00:57:10It's a duopoly and a monopoly in the United States.
00:57:14That's a problem. That's a problem for all the flyers.
00:57:18Think about that too when you book your next plane.
00:57:21Any questions from anybody?
00:57:23How much influence do you think today's hearing is going to have
00:57:26over DOJ's decision about whether to prosecute Boeing criminally?
00:57:30I hope they listen to what Calhoun has to say
00:57:36and also check it with the facts.
00:57:38The Department of Justice told us they had everything that's in the House report.
00:57:42And so I am at odds as to why they were not charged with manslaughter.
00:57:49If they had the information, they could have had a more serious indictment against Boeing.
00:57:56What they did is they actually benefited Boeing.
00:58:00They actually rewarded them.
00:58:03The amount that they had to pay was so minuscule
00:58:06in comparison to what has been lost and the damage to the industry.
00:58:10And look what it's causing them right now.
00:58:12It's better to own up, fix it, get on the right track.
00:58:16I think a lot of people, when they see the amount they're going to pay,
00:58:19think, oh, well, it's terrible what happened to the families,
00:58:22but they got very well compensated.
00:58:25Yes, they actually, I think the year of the crash,
00:58:29they brought in $100 billion.
00:58:32The CEO currently is supposed to be leaving Boeing,
00:58:38but being paid $33 million as, I guess, a golden parachute.
00:58:44He's coming back to the board, though, from what I understand.
00:58:47So how are they correcting the problem by doing that?
00:58:51They're just rewarding the same old people.
00:58:54It's, again, a different part of the revolving door issue
00:58:58that is happening with the FAA consultants and with Boeing and other suppliers.
00:59:03And it has to stop. There has to be more accountability.
00:59:07There are no professional engineers who are required to be certifying planes either.
00:59:13So they're just having engineers or graduates or other employees to certify this.
00:59:21But without that professional liability,
00:59:24without any recourse for professional misconduct,
00:59:27how can you ensure the safety of the flying public?
00:59:31You can't. Simple.
00:59:35Anything else? Anybody else want to speak?
00:59:43Hi, everyone. My name is Adnan Stumo.
00:59:47You heard from my mother. My sister, Samia, was killed on the plane.
00:59:52And I'm here very simply to confront her killer.
00:59:56He was aware of all the design defects.
01:00:02He was one of the head decision makers to put the plane in the air,
01:00:06to keep the plane in the air after Lion Air crashed in late October, five months before.
01:00:12And he is a mass killer.
01:00:16And I want to look him in the face.
01:00:19If there's no risk of jail time for these decision makers who play with our lives,
01:00:24then there will be no change.
01:00:26We can go through FAA certifications, all of that regulation,
01:00:30strengthening the safety of the flying public is important.
01:00:33But there needs to be criminal charges for the people at the top,
01:00:38the people in the driver's seat who are responsible for 346 deaths,
01:00:43including that of my sister, in every single face that you see here.
01:00:48That's all.
01:00:51I want to answer Lisa's question just briefly in terms of compensation to the victims.
01:00:56So Boeing compensated the victims only through insurance.
01:00:59It didn't hurt the company at all.
01:01:02Compared to $30 million, more than $30 million that Calhoun is walking away with as a bonus package,
01:01:09and then the $60-something million that Muhlenberg walked away,
01:01:13no single victim received anything like those compensations.
01:01:18So if anybody has a question about compensation and the value of human life,
01:01:23would you trade your child or your father or anything for several million dollars?
01:01:29And then do you think it's just that the people who kill our family members get, you know,
01:01:36over tens of millions of dollars? Is that justice?
01:01:40No, and it doesn't hurt Boeing at all.
01:01:42So they have never had to feel any pain at all.
01:01:45They just paid out through insurance.
01:01:47No punitive damage, no accountability.
01:01:50Thank you.
01:01:53Hello, everyone. My name is Apoorah Korea.
01:01:56I'm just going to put this down. Thank you.
01:02:01My name is Apoorah Korea. That's Z-I-double-P-O-R-A-H.
01:02:05I'm from London.
01:02:07Can you hear me? Everyone hear me?
01:02:09So, yeah.
01:02:11Hi, my name is Apoorah Korea. That's Z-I-double-P-O-R-A-H-K-U-R-I-A.
01:02:16I lost my dad, Joseph Korea Waidaka, who was 55 years old.
01:02:21My being here is so that Calhoun can see my father's face
01:02:26and see the cost of his decisions.
01:02:28I mean, if we are here living in this nightmare that doesn't seem to end
01:02:33of what has now become our lives,
01:02:35why should the people who made decisions continue to not face the people that they let down?
01:02:40You know, this is literally your 30 million dollars,
01:02:44the money that you're retiring with.
01:02:46This is the cost of it.
01:02:48This is the blood that is on your hands.
01:02:50These are weddings that daughters will never have their fathers walk them down the aisle for.
01:02:56These are parents that will never see their children walk, talk, go to high school, graduate,
01:03:04have jobs, have their first driving lessons.
01:03:07And I'm just here so this can be the image.
01:03:10And also, really here for the public to remind you guys to keep pushing.
01:03:15Pay attention.
01:03:20Thank you.
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