00:00 This is nothing to do, Caroline, with trying to undermine you.
00:04 Really, I just want the Met to turn up because this is about Londoners.
00:08 Nobody knows who I am, who you are, but Londoners expect us to do our job
00:13 in holding the Met to account through the Mayor and MOPAC.
00:17 If the senior police officers don't turn up, you've had nearly a whole year as Chair,
00:22 and we're not getting anywhere. So I'm afraid this is why I brought it. Thank you.
00:26 You're entitled to a point of personal explanation.
00:32 Assembly Member Devenish, you just named me, or you at least said that I had got nowhere
00:40 with these negotiations. The Commissioner is here for the same number of attendances
00:47 as any Commissioner on average over the last 10, 12 years. He is having lunch with us
00:54 in two weeks' time, as well as appearing at our Q&A. We are getting somewhere with
00:59 these negotiations, and we...
01:02 Please, Assembly Member, I would appreciate you not heckling somebody when they're doing
01:11 a personal explanation.
01:12 I'm sorry, I'd like an apology for that.
01:14 What was said. I didn't hear exactly what was said.
01:23 Chair, the Member has asked for an apology, and it really ought to be made. If not, you
01:31 need to take some action.
01:32 I have no way of making a Member apologise.
01:36 You can ask.
01:36 But I can do that, but I would rather it was settled in the Member's consciences.
01:49 Can I ask, bearing in mind what Assembly Member Devenish, is there anything you'd like to
01:54 say at this moment?
01:55 If you wish to do this, Chair, that's absolutely fine. I found working with Caroline so difficult
02:02 during the year. I'm very happy to be removed, frankly.
02:06 Chair, under that standing order, I'd like to move that the Member is no longer heard.
02:10 Before we do that, Assembly Member, there was an accusation against you that you used
02:15 a personal remark against another Member. Is that something you admit that you did?
02:20 Would you like to repeat what I apparently said?
02:24 Well, I didn't actually hear it. I heard a chunter, but I did not hear a...
02:29 Chair, I believe that going further into this prolongs the harm, and therefore we should
02:35 use that standing order now.
02:38 I believe in the freedom of speech and the right of Members to attend this Chamber.
02:42 Somebody second my motion?
02:43 That's a large resort, and I believe it's at my discretion.
02:47 Assembly Member, I believe the Member was objected to what she says is your use of the
02:54 word 'deluded', that you are deluded. Is this some words that you...
02:58 I'm happy to withdraw that word, Chair.
03:01 Thank you very much.
03:08 Chair, I don't want to prolong it, but I do feel that what was requested was an apology,
03:14 and Assembly Member Berry did ask that the motion be put, and Assembly Member Pidgeon
03:20 did second that, so you may wish also to consider that in the light of the non-apology.
03:26 And I'd like to move that the motion be put.
03:29 So I'll go back to Assembly Member Berry.
03:34 You proposed a motion.
03:38 I do propose that under the third ground named by the Clerk there, I think the third one,
03:44 about poor conduct, this is something, a sanction we ought to use.
03:49 We've used it before, and I think this is something we should set a standard with.
03:54 So I do make that motion.
03:56 Is there a seconder to that motion?
04:00 Yeah, I'll second it, and I think if an apology was given, then actually we could move on,
04:04 but I'll second it if there's no apology coming.
04:07 There is no debate on that motion.
04:11 All those in favour, please indicate.
04:12 All those in favour, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
04:20 eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen in favour, Chair.
04:23 All those against, please indicate.
04:25 One, two, three, four, five, six against, that's carried.
04:31 To leave, but...
04:34 There's no requirement for the Member to physically leave,
04:37 but they may not be heard for the duration of the meeting.
04:43 Okay.
04:48 That motion now needs to be voted on.
05:00 All those in favour...
05:00 Apologies, for clarity, Chair, can I just explain that that has an alteration in
05:04 that motion? So it's the altered version that we're voting on.
05:07 The altered motion in the name of Assembly Member Devenish.
05:10 All those in favour, please show.
05:12 That is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
05:22 fifteen in favour, Chair.
05:23 And those against?
05:25 All those against, please.
05:26 That's no votes against, Chair.
05:28 That's carried.
05:29 Oh.
05:29 [Silence]
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