00:00 I am Andi McTarvel and this is Then and Now.
00:04 Everyone's looking for that miracle cream.
00:07 For me, it's My Hair Color.
00:09 New Excellence cream from L'Oreal.
00:11 My non-drip cream just got better.
00:13 Now it protects my hair non-stop.
00:15 During coloring and afterward with lots of extra conditioner.
00:19 So whenever I color, my hair just looks richer, healthier.
00:23 New Excellence, beautiful color and no grays.
00:27 I told you, it's the miracle cream.
00:29 New Excellence from L'Oreal Paris.
00:31 Color cream that protects non-stop.
00:33 Because you're worth it.
00:34 You are. You're worth it.
00:35 The first commercial that they had me shoot, I was 40.
00:38 And I didn't have a lot of gray yet.
00:41 And I kept saying to the hairdresser,
00:43 I wish they would let me make fun of this or make a joke.
00:48 Like, I don't have any gray or I'm highlighting or something like that.
00:52 Because I just didn't feel like I was, it was time yet.
00:55 But I was so grateful. I was so grateful to work for them.
00:58 You know, I did whatever they would ask me to do.
01:00 But then I got home and I got a telephone call.
01:02 And they were asking me, like, what was it you were saying to the hairdresser?
01:06 And I explained to them what my thoughts were.
01:08 And then that's when we started doing a lot of the commercials we did.
01:11 This one's not.
01:12 Grays? What grays?
01:14 Grays? What grays?
01:16 A lot of women prefer to color their hair and they are not ready to be silver.
01:22 I do think it ages you, but I just don't care.
01:24 I'm 65.
01:26 And I would have, you know, I was ready at 60 to be an older woman.
01:31 I just didn't want to have to pretend to be something that I wasn't.
01:35 But I think for a lot of women, they want to carry on that sort of feeling of youth with them.
01:41 And they want to color their hair. They're just not ready yet.
01:45 And I don't know that it's necessarily shameful.
01:48 I just think it's a different choice.
01:50 And I just came to a place in my life where I no longer wanted to be that person anymore.
01:55 I just wanted to be an older woman.
01:57 Getting a contract with somebody like L'Oreal, having a contract like that is a dream come true.
02:04 It's what you hope for.
02:05 There aren't-- not many people get them.
02:07 So it was like a huge accomplishment in my life.
02:12 And I found out I was pregnant.
02:15 And I had to tell them because I couldn't sign the contract without revealing that.
02:20 And I was afraid that they would dump me, but they didn't.
02:22 So that was wonderful.
02:23 And then I just-- you know, I shot commercials pregnant, fully pregnant, eight months pregnant.
02:30 I shot commercials. I shot ads right after having babies.
02:35 Yeah, so I just-- through the whole process.
02:37 It was great. I had three babies with them.
02:39 What a goofy smile I have right there.
02:43 But that's okay. That's okay. I like my goofy smile.
02:46 Look how cute Hugh is there.
02:49 He's very handsome. He's got great hair, too.
02:51 Look at that hair. Such good hair.
02:53 I read the script, and it was phenomenal.
02:55 It wasn't made for gobs of money, and we did it really quickly.
02:58 And the writing was perfect. It was just a perfect movie. It really was.
03:02 So much fun.
03:03 The way I look at my career and the longevity of my career is having success over and over, over again.
03:11 That establishes you as someone who's bankable, basically.
03:15 So because I was able to continue to make successful movies or shows, it kept my career alive.
03:23 It's not an easy thing to do. That is no easy feat.
03:26 It doesn't always happen.
03:28 So I think that's probably the effect, is it was another positive check.
03:34 Like, she did it again, kind of thing.
03:36 Sex lives, I didn't make a lot of money, but I didn't care.
03:40 I was so thankful to have a job.
03:41 I was really struggling at that point in my life.
03:44 And I just wanted to play a character I didn't even know.
03:47 I thought it was kind of a wackadoodle script.
03:49 I thought, "Oh, my gosh." Scandalous at the time.
03:52 For weddings, I was not offered a lot of money up front.
03:55 Back end. Really smart move.
03:58 That was a really smart, smart move.
04:00 Oh, the way home.
04:04 There is a really difficult time for women.
04:07 We've all spoken about this.
04:08 You turn 40, and they don't know what to do with you as a woman.
04:11 Men are allowed to get older and age and continue to be sexy.
04:16 And they'll just cast them with a younger woman.
04:18 When you are a woman, and you are in your 40s and 50s,
04:22 they don't know what to do with you.
04:24 That's what's so great about being silver.
04:26 There's no question what I am or what I'm playing.
04:30 But I do feel like my 40s and 50s were a bit of floundering.
04:34 I tried to pretend like it was all going well, because I didn't want to sound whiny or whatever.
04:39 So I would always stay optimistic, impressed most of the time.
04:43 But I do think it's a very difficult time for women.
04:47 Because the world doesn't support them as well as they should.
04:52 We should start putting women with younger men.
04:54 I mean, just do the same thing with them.
04:57 That's why the other thing is, everybody makes such a big deal over my hair.
05:01 But it would never happen to a man.
05:03 I get to play more quirky, more interesting characters, I think.
05:07 I'm seeing more for my heart and my soul.
05:10 I think that's much easier for me now.
05:13 But there's so many things I would like to do for women,
05:17 to explore what it is to be an older woman.
05:19 I have so many ideas.
05:20 I would love to play a silver fox type.
05:23 You know, super sexy, not held back by age, not demeaned by my age.
05:31 Elevated, just like a man.
05:33 But then I'd also like to show all the vulnerabilities,
05:37 the heartbreaking realities as well.
05:40 I'd like to do both extremes.
05:43 I think that would be interesting.
05:45 I told a lot of people George Clooney was my inspiration, which he was.
05:48 I was trying to figure out what was going on online,
05:50 looking for women with silver hair.
05:53 I saw so many gorgeous men, so I had a lot of men that inspired me.
05:56 I saw in the news today that it said Brad Pitt turned 60.
06:00 What is he doing?
06:02 What is he drinking?
06:03 I don't understand it.
06:05 It's just not fair.
06:07 I want some of that.
06:09 What is going on?
06:10 He must work out five hours a day, for starters.
06:13 His body is a miracle.
06:16 It's a miracle.
06:17 I don't understand it.
06:19 He's so damn cute, too.
06:21 What is that?
06:22 I guess if I worked out five hours a day, maybe I would look like Brad Pitt.
06:25 [music]
06:27 It's me and Margaret in our matching lily dresses.
06:30 I had Justin early on, and then I went off to do a miniseries in Morocco.
06:36 That was kind of an insane choice.
06:38 I couldn't really quit because I was the breadwinner,
06:40 so it's not like I had the option to quit.
06:43 But I did.
06:44 After Six Eyes and Videotape, it was easy for me to get work.
06:47 I could work nonstop if I wanted to.
06:49 I took three movies in a year, and I decided I would never do that again
06:53 because it was too hard.
06:55 I felt like I didn't see my children.
06:57 [music]
06:59 That's me and Margaret.
07:00 It's made.
07:01 She's so good.
07:03 She's very available.
07:04 She's very honest.
07:05 She's very real.
07:06 Early, early on, before she got The Leftovers,
07:09 we were doing auditions with her, and I would go, "What the [bleep]?"
07:14 "Where did you get this?"
07:15 "How do you know how to do this?"
07:17 She was so innately gifted.
07:22 I was a little like, "Oh, God.
07:24 I hope she likes what I'm doing," and I kept asking her
07:27 because I was making some pretty broad choices for myself.
07:30 I said, "Do you believe me?"
07:32 She goes, "Yeah, I believe you."
07:33 "Do you like what I'm doing?"
07:34 "I love what you're doing," and I would ask her.
07:37 So it gave me a lot of freedom to make the choices that I had to make.
07:42 Aw, Rainy.
07:44 It's the doll baby.
07:46 It's Rainy and Margaret.
07:48 I didn't grow up around the business at all.
07:51 I took myself and put myself in every position that I ended up,
07:57 and I was also--I came from a community that was very reserved
08:01 and judgmental and religious, and I was fearful.
08:06 I had a lot of fear to do certain things.
08:09 Margaret--oh, my God, she didn't have any of that.
08:12 I think Rainy's a little bit more--even though she's a bit more shy,
08:17 Margaret just doesn't care.
08:19 She's so out there.
08:21 She'll do anything.
08:22 [music]
08:25 [laughs]
08:27 Oh, dear.
08:28 I love that movie.
08:29 I think it's a perfect movie.
08:30 I admire the discipline I had during that film.
08:34 I would tell myself, "I am proud of you
08:38 because I like the way you're handling things.
08:40 I think you are really smarter than you realize,
08:44 and that your work--because I love my work in this.
08:48 It's very sensitive.
08:49 It's very real.
08:50 It's very honest.
08:51 It's not over the top, not for a second."
08:54 And it was a great match for Bill because Bill's huge,
08:59 and the more honest I stayed, it made the whole thing work,
09:05 really made it magical.
09:07 If you had to live one day over just once, which day would it be?
09:11 Any day I had all three of my babies together, I don't care,
09:14 because your kids grow up and they go away.
09:17 So I guess if any day--hopefully not a day when they were sick--
09:21 I'd choose a happy, healthy day, I would love to be able to go back
09:25 and just pop myself in with my children again
09:28 and know everything that I know now.
09:30 What is one thing you've done in your life and your career
09:33 that was out of your comfort zone?
09:34 I don't really like taking my clothes off.
09:36 I had to do it recently for--and I'm really impressed with Homework
09:41 that they let me do this, even as a woman at 65,
09:44 because I think there's something different about taking your clothes off at 65,
09:47 because you don't expect me to be anything but a body, like a woman, right?
09:53 There's no expectation to be some sexpot or whatever.
09:56 That's gone.
09:57 There's a scene where I'm not really naked, but I'm in my underwear.
09:59 It's pretty underwear. It almost looks like a bathing suit.
10:01 Otherwise, they would have done it.
10:03 But I had to take my clothes off and run in front of everybody,
10:06 and I said in front of the crew, I just said, "It's just a body, okay?"
10:11 Because I had to do it for myself.
10:13 Even in my underwear.
10:15 But Margaret, on the other hand, she has--but she was a dancer too.
10:19 I think her body was all over the place, dancing, growing up.
10:23 She has real comfort, and plus I never made her feel bad about it.
10:26 There's a lot of freedom.
10:28 I keep telling Rainey she should do it, but she's got a body like you wouldn't believe.
10:33 I'm like, "Take your clothes off. Do a scene."
10:35 I'm not hitting on you, but I think you are a sexpot.
10:37 Oh, please hit on me.
10:40 Okay, I'm not.
10:42 I don't know.
10:44 I do think there comes a time when--I was talking about this on the beach the other day
10:47 with some friends of mine--where it's so hard to see yourself in that light anymore.
10:52 And it's okay. It really is.
10:55 Though I did have somebody flirt with me, and I felt it.
10:58 And I was like, "Oh, my God, it's still alive."
11:00 I felt something bubble up.
11:02 I was like, "Oh, it's still there."
11:05 Do I have other goals and aspirations besides looking for a mate?
11:12 Or why would you even date?
11:14 I mean, what's the purpose?
11:16 I don't know.
11:17 Are you doing it because you just want to have sex,
11:19 or are you doing it because you want to be in a relationship?
11:22 Why are you doing it?
11:24 I don't know.
11:25 The things that I'm inspired to do right now are to make really good friends.
11:32 I want smart friends.
11:33 I want friends that care about me, that are loving and loyal,
11:36 and that have deep conversations about things that I care about.
11:40 I want to read books.
11:41 I want to be in book clubs.
11:42 I want to hike.
11:45 I want to travel.
11:47 I want to work on--continue to work and do work that I'm proud of
11:53 and makes me feel like I'm growing.
11:57 But go out and search for someone.
11:59 What am I searching for?
12:00 I don't know.
12:01 What am I missing?
12:02 I don't know what it is I'm missing.
12:04 I care more about friendships right now and great relationships
12:07 and doing all the fun things that I enjoy doing--taking yoga,
12:12 working out, eating great food.
12:15 I need girlfriends, honestly, and gay friends.
12:17 friends.
12:19 you
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