00:00 --When I can't sleep at night, I'm just thinking about like how how how can how
00:07 can we save ourselves as a species?
00:11 --Burn it all down and start a
00:13 shut over?
00:14 --I don't know.
00:15 [music]
00:18 --Who wants to explain for viewers the concept of the show within the show?
00:23 --I can do it.
00:24 --And where you got the idea for The Pinko Pink?
00:27 --The Pinko Pink is a TV show from the 1990s.
00:30 It's about two best friends.
00:32 They meet at summer camp.
00:34 They live across the county from each other, but they have a psychic connection, and they
00:38 help each other each week fight a new monster who's trying to trap them in an evil hell
00:42 dimension called the Midnight Realm.
00:45 It aired for five seasons on the Young Adult Network and is a beloved 90s supernatural
00:53 girl power TV show.
00:56 --The show is sort of an amalgamation of a lot of the shows that I grew up watching as
01:01 a kid.
01:02 Everything from Alex Mack to Buffy the Vampire Slayer to Are You Afraid of the Dark.
01:06 --Does that show like bring up anything from your like childhood or watching shows?
01:12 Where does it fit on like what you would watch?
01:13 --Are You Afraid of the Dark?
01:15 Definitely I would watch.
01:16 Goosebumps, I would watch.
01:19 --Hannah Montana.
01:20 --That's not really the same.
01:22 --Just to complete that trilogy.
01:24 Feels the same to me.
01:25 --Is there a movie, the Disney Channel original movie Don't Look Under the Bed?
01:28 --No.
01:29 --Okay, well.
01:30 --I lived.
01:31 --It reminds me of that too.
01:32 --I was gonna ask why the 90s, but I suppose it's because for like for you there's a nostalgia
01:37 element.
01:38 --Yeah, I grew up in the suburbs in the 1990s.
01:43 I think actually like a very specific time, you know?
01:48 My parents generation I think fully bought into this like Reagan era idea of like a white
01:57 flight out of a working class background into this like nook where you can be quote unquote
02:02 safe but safe can also mean homogenized and oppressed.
02:06 So yeah, just reflecting back on like my gaze on my own childhood now that I've, you know,
02:14 understood myself as pretty intrinsically different than the image of normal that was
02:20 sold to me.
02:21 --What, like what did you connect to from either your own upbringing or current day?
02:27 Like what kind of was top of mind as you were on set every day for you?
02:31 --I was raised in a really queer, really freaky like art family.
02:36 And I think I was instilled with a lot of like freedom to be strange.
02:42 And I felt that through this film it was really important for me to communicate that to people
02:48 who don't know or who have been told repeatedly that it's not okay to be strange.
02:53 And so I kind of wanted to like use the energy of the film to like break into people's psyches
02:59 and like kind of allow them to like pervert themselves more freely.
03:03 --I had a lot of fight growing up.
03:08 And although, you know, I had a fight a lot, I'm grateful for my ability to push through
03:17 and survive.
03:18 And I wanted to examine like what it looks like when you don't have that sense of fight,
03:25 when you really are at the hands of your environment, even though it's wasting you away, how you'll
03:35 still kind of succumb to conformity just because it's less tragic than defying it.
03:44 --If you guys are like up in the middle of the night, what is it that keeps keeps all
03:47 you up at night?
03:51 --The anticipation of things to come.
03:54 I'm a very impatient person.
03:58 And so I find that like I'm always like, Let's just go, go, go, go, go.
04:01 And so when I have to wait, it really drives me crazy.
04:05 And I feel like sleeping is waiting.
04:10 --I feel like very anxious to dismantle Empire.
04:15 And like this movie feels like it has that in it.
04:18 Like I feel like this movie is like gut scream.
04:22 And so when I can't sleep at night, I'm just thinking about like, how can we save
04:31 ourselves as a species?
04:33 --Burn it all down and start over?
04:36 --I don't know.
04:37 I think about how the trick is played where we are made to desire our own repression.
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