00:00 So I don't think the Nigrahan government has the power to intervene.
00:06 If NAB is not coming, then why would the Nigrahan government come?
00:11 The first party would be that NAB would come, but they are not coming, the government is not coming.
00:16 So these people will come, who have cases, from the National League and from the People's Party.
00:22 Let's move the debate forward. If I am accused of having charges on me, of non-Zaraiya of income,
00:30 then if a case is made against me, whether it is the FIA court, NAB court, or any other court,
00:37 and if they believe your argument that these were frivolous cases, and were made on purpose,
00:42 then I can go to the court and present it, and prove myself right. What difference does it make?
00:46 For three months, you don't get a bail. The old law, you were in jail for three months,
00:54 so none of them could prove anything.
00:57 No, the bail is still there, it hasn't been terminated.
01:00 No, you did it. Earlier, they were in jail for three months,
01:04 and Javed Iqbal's video came out, you know, the famous video.
01:08 After that, the mention of the video was also made on TV.
01:11 No, how can you get out of the debate? These cases are old.
01:17 The era in which these cases are made, you are saying that the cases that have been made,
01:22 instead of making them on a forum, who made them?
01:28 Why did you make them?
01:30 Mr. Rai, one argument is being presented that if these are all frivolous cases,
01:35 political victimization has taken place, blackmailing has taken place,
01:39 then the method of that is not that the current NAB,
01:43 the retired Nizribad, and his new team are going to be made,
01:48 they should see that this is also frivolous, this is also frivolous, this is also frivolous,
01:52 they should keep everyone away, go to the court and state that these cases are wrong,
01:56 and these are genuine cases, the money of this country and nation has been wasted, we will go behind it.
02:01 Look, they have this way too, and number two, if these cases are made from where,
02:07 we will see that the cases that you have named,
02:11 these cases are those that were made during the time of Muslim League Noon.
02:14 Nisar was the interior minister, he started all these inquiries through FIA.
02:19 And apart from that, the cases that are there, in some cases,
02:23 which were made in the last period, many cases of housing societies,
02:27 and this is an old trend, it is not a matter of what case was made in which period,
02:31 the case has to be looked at its merits.
02:33 If there are cases of money laundering,
02:36 there is a very simple logic that what was the reason for the PDM government
02:41 that they wanted to end these laws.
02:43 Section 14, which says that a public office holder has to answer
02:49 that from where did he get properties worth billions.
02:53 You have given more cases as if beyond known source of income.
02:57 So what was the reason for ending that section 14?
03:00 What was the reason that this bill came, like the case of LNG,
03:04 that if the cabinet gives approval for something,
03:06 even if it gives approval for export or some subsidy,
03:10 the country's treasury suffers a loss of billions,
03:13 the mafia benefits, then there will be no jurisdiction of NAB.
03:17 Then what was the need that when a 50 crore slab was put,
03:21 the case of Ramzan Sugar Mill came in it, that too is a very old case,
03:25 that too is not made of the previous period, so the cases are old.
03:29 The real thing that we see better is that in the present period,
03:32 the team of NAB will be seen,
03:35 that again I believe that there will be no political inclination,
03:40 then it will be seen across the board.
03:42 Absolutely not.
03:43 The time we are talking about, I am sitting with NAB officials,
03:46 and they used to praise the chairman of the committee.
03:49 Yes, sir.
03:51 Mr. Raja, you have given a lot of information to your son,
03:56 Mr. Ayub, he is intelligent too.
04:00 Having said this, for him you tell that
04:04 the case of Dr. Asim Hussain of 462 billion was made,
04:09 which was initially, and you know that he was very angry,
04:16 he has not been punished in that, so what was to happen in anyone else?
04:21 So no one was punished, it was not proved,
04:24 let alone this, I know the NAB people too,
04:28 they are not related to anyone,
04:31 if a case is made, two things come together,
04:35 then they pursue it.
04:37 Yes, absolutely, you are right, sir.
04:39 It is a matter of time.
04:41 Mr. Raja, thank you very much.
04:42 We are going to the break, after the break you will say that
04:44 why did Mr. Shahbaz Sharif have to go back to London suddenly?
04:48 But before going to the break,
04:50 we have collected some statements from our PDM's leader on his love for NAB.
04:56 Listen to this.
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