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01:26 one is...how long has this 5 minute long case been going on? look, I'm saying the same thing, Amir Farooq sir, his issue is that instead of him having a judicial issue, he decides it himself, twice the case is being remanded to judge Humayun Dulawar, and Humayun Dulawar sir...
01:42 the issue in the Supreme Court is that there is only one type of bench, make someone else the judge, or make Faiz sahab the judge...
01:57 and in one case, in which Imran Khan sahab was given bail, did you hear Athar Minnalla sahab's remarks? he said if the basis is wrong, how can we run the case? so the judges had very clear views on these things, but the criticism is coming from one side...
02:13 do you think both the criticisms are valid, and one side should not hear it, and make some other judge, the criticism will end, but the case should be heard by the judge himself...
02:20 similarly, Amir Farooq should not hear the case of PTI himself, and he should make a full court in Islamabad, or refer some other judge, when every case is being heard by the Chief Justice, on which there are already audio leaks, and other things...
02:35 and there is a narrative on it, so in the interest of the institution, you should either make a full court, or make some other judge, when you are retiring, so is there any consideration for post retirement, because of which you have sat for 2 hours, and said such things, which I think you should not have said...
03:00 these things should be in the High Court, now what is the High Court has to say, when the Supreme Court has said that why not release Imran Khan now, so the High Court should have suspended him on the basis of the Supreme Court's order...
03:15 the real issue is of the court system, the problem is that in hindsight, Mohsin we are seeing in hindsight, yesterday I was listening to Mr. Mian in London, look I was wrong, he is getting better, my case was wrong, his case is right, everyone knows what the case is, who is getting better, everyone knows what this is...
03:38 the Evanfield Apartments, about which no one knows when, who owns it, that case was wrong, but this Toshakhana is right, maybe both are right, maybe both are wrong, but we will never know, because all that will be in the eyes of the politicians, and why does this happen?
03:53 Kashif ji, when you talk to someone, one person says that this is absolutely right, and in his favour press conference, media talks, statements are given, but unfortunately...
04:03 but yesterday's hearing, the first reaction I got when I came on TV, after giving these remarks, what is left in the High Court?
04:08 Let's not ask, we are listening to that too, we are listening to that too, look, as far as you have talked about criticism of the judges, there was a recent reference about Justice Amir Farooq, in that the talks are being made, look the most important reference is being given, that of the Terian White case, that two judges gave a decision, the Chief Justice of the High Court did not allow it to be uploaded on the website,
04:28 it was removed later, the majority did not agree, similarly, this case was remanded to Judge Humayun Dilawar again and again, when he was asked during the hearing, by the lawyer of the Election Commission, that you tell us, did he get the right of defence?
04:44 He said, yes, we gave it twice, when did you give it? In just one day, twice, he said, come and present it. So, generally, the criminal proceedings, in that, the witnesses of defence, you cannot minus them in this way, look, in civil matters, you can say about the witness that it is irrelevant, in criminal proceedings, witnesses cannot be excluded in this way,
05:09 in the haste in which this decision was made, look, the case of the right of defence was a very serious case, the first case, it was not being decided, the Supreme Court has not taken up this case yet, that Justice Yahya Afridi, that Sir, a bench was made in Brahim,
05:24 he said, first, the High Court will go and take your remedy from there, first, you go there, the High Court said, the High Court again said to Judge Dilawar, but now, look, the Supreme Court's orders, the High Court's orders, apparently, what happened was that he was undermined, now, look, if the High Court is telling a judge that, look, you have seen this, this case is being remanded again, he is not doing it, after that, again, with a speed, in just one day, everything was decided.
05:53 Kashi, in just one day, if the whole process can be processed and the punishment can be heard, then in one day, when it is said from the other side, then knowingly, the process can be slowed down again and again, all this, this is the problem.
06:06 Actually, if the system is bad, then the system below is not getting fixed. It cannot be, there is no doubt about it. So, if the system is bad, then those problems will also have to be fixed. The problem is that, here, this Chief Justice is against us, the other says that this Chief Justice is against us.
06:23 One political party is making statements against one, and making statements against the other. Are both of them doing the right thing?
06:29 No, look, if you say that the benches are of the same kind, recently, I will tell you that the big cases that came, Justice Atar Minna Law Sahib was included in that case, who had declared the arrest of the Chairman PTI as illegal.
06:41 You have also given us a few remarks of his, that the foundation is wrong, how can the foundation be built on it?
06:45 Now, Chief Justice said that every time the foundation is wrong, the foundation cannot be built on it.
06:49 Now, look, now, now, now, all this, now, there is a big issue of the availability of judges. Justice Qazi Faiz Isa is not listening to the cases, Justice Atar Minna Law Sahib has just returned from his leave, Justice Yahya Afridi Sahib has gone on leave,
07:03 when he heard this Tosha Khana case for the last time, then he said that next time, whatever available bench will be there, it should be put in front of it.
07:11 Now, I will tell you some cases of Chief Justice Umar Atta Bandyal Sahib, in which he has decided for Muslim League Noon, those were big cases, or you can say beneficiary.
07:21 NDA 75-10 was a very famous case of that time, which was first voided by the Election Commission on the problem of a few rings, went to the Supreme Court, Umar Atta Bandyal Sahib heard this,
07:32 he also said that the decision of the Election Commission was right, get the elections done again in the entire ring. I remember, one day before that decision,
07:39 a trend was started on the highly inappropriate social media, regarding Justice Umar Atta Bandyal Sahib, NDA 75 was a beneficiary Noon League.
07:48 After that, you will see, the no confidence motion, as a result of which, the ruling of the police was passed, that was the decision of Chief Justice Umar Atta Bandyal Sahib, that was also his decision.
07:57 Similarly, there was a case of Senate Open Ballot, that the election of the Senate, PTI itself was very much advocating for it, that there should be an open ballot, or bar code,
08:06 but they said, no, there is no such thing in the Constitution, that too ultimately, beneficiary, you know, as a result of which, Yusuf Azad Gilani won,
08:14 Hafiz Sheikh Sahib, the Finance Minister of that time, of that time, of the ruling party, he lost. So, apart from this, there is a list of many other decisions.
08:23 Yes, but both the sides will come with their own decisions, they will say, look, these decisions have also gone against,
08:27 Now, the decision of Article 63A, that was the biggest turning point, because of which, the Punjab government went.
08:35 And many people think, including myself, when I saw, that it is written in the constitution, that if votes are cast, then it will be invalid.
08:43 Here, the vote is not counted. So, many such things have come in the last few days, but where will this criticism go?
08:49 Let's look at the political side. How easy it has become for someone to go on Twitter and tweet, you are already involved with them.
08:56 This is a matter of India and Pakistan.
08:58 Look, I think the issue for the Noon League is that it is a crisis, their performance has not been better.
09:03 A narrative is needed. Their affairs are fine with the establishment, but there, the movement of why to remove them, that cannot be done.
09:10 Now, it is that the judges are left, and tomorrow, Bindiyar Sahib has given the opportunity to these judges himself,
09:16 and it seems that the Noon League will make a narrative against the judges before its election.
09:21 But what will happen after 17th September?
09:23 I think that after 17th September, Imran Khan cannot be in such a situation that, if Imran Khan gets a leave, then what will happen?
09:33 Then, Bindiyar Sahib will retire. And how long will these things go on?
09:37 Because, it is absolutely right that the 15 months of Noon League, which are run by the PDM government,
09:42 in this, in no matter, the executive, Banjara Sahib did not interfere.
09:46 Although, how many appointments were made, in the new law amendment, no stay was found.
09:50 All the cases of Hamza Shahbaz have been closed, Salman Shahbaz's case has been closed,
09:54 no one asked what happened.
09:56 He had taken a 100 votes in the beginning, but he did not follow up on that issue.
09:59 Now, the problem is that why is Imran Khan getting a leave?
10:02 On this, the Noon League is concerned.
