00:00 I've been a paediatrician since 1992 and I had never in my career seen anything like this.
00:08 And actually initially there was a feeling of thank goodness Lucy was on because she's really good in a crisis,
00:14 she's really good at managing these things.
00:16 But as time progressed the thought started springing into our heads,
00:20 could she be doing something deliberately?
00:22 So the thought starts sinking in that there could be a killer on the unit.
00:29 I mean that's a big moment.
00:31 It's a big moment and it's a chilling moment.
00:35 I don't think anybody has a rule book for how you deal with a situation
00:40 where you're suspecting that somebody's causing deliberate harm to babies on your neonatal unit.
00:45 Tell me about the night when you walked in on Lucy Letby standing over the cot of baby Kay.
00:51 That is a night that is etched on my memory and will be in my nightmares forever to be honest.
01:00 I was sitting at the desk just outside the room writing notes
01:04 and the nurse looking after the baby said she was popping to the delivery suite to go and talk to the parents
01:09 and she said I've left Lucy in there babysitting.
01:11 Part of me was saying you better go in and just check everything's okay
01:15 because you know what's happened before when Lucy's been on duty.
01:19 As I walked towards the incubator I could see on the monitors that the oxygen saturations
01:25 which is basically the baby's oxygen levels were dropping
01:28 and they dropped to a level that ordinarily number one the alarms would have been going off
01:35 but number two the nurse would have called for help
01:39 and Lucy Letby was standing by the top of the incubator.
01:42 She didn't have her hands in the incubator.
01:44 What was she doing then?
01:45 Well she was just standing there.
01:47 Now tubes become dislodged but this was a 25 week gestation baby
01:53 who wasn't kicking around, who wasn't vigorous.
01:56 The only possibility was that that tube had to have been dislodged deliberately.
02:01 Do you think the lives of some of those babies could have been saved if management had taken action sooner?
02:08 It's a horrible thing to say
02:11 but I do genuinely believe that there are four or five babies who could be going to school now who aren't.
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