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00:00um just to circle back quickly um there's this little daily sort of mantra that i use some days

00:06the glass feels half empty and some days the glass feels half full and some days we can see

00:13the beauty of the glass regardless of the mood state so i try and just like play that i think

00:19that unlocked something in my brain just now and it's powerful you know storytelling is absolutely

00:25central to how societies have have agreed or disagreed and rallied around ideas and cooperation

00:33etc if this was a stand-up routine that i would say that 2019 was the year that shocked my hair curly

00:41and uh my hair did go curly in 2019 uh in the way that hemingway says we go bankrupt

00:47slowly at first and then suddenly that's so good

01:04welcome to tangelic talks your go-to podcast from tangelic where we dive into the vibrant world of

01:10clean energy development sustainability and climate change in africa we bring you inspiring stories

01:16insightful discussions and groundbreaking innovations from the continent making waves in the global

01:21community tune in and join the conversation toward a brighter greener future let's get started

01:30welcome to tangelic talks a podcast at the intersection of energy equity and empowerment

01:36with your co-host victoria cornelio and andres thomas in this episode today's guest has spent two decades

01:42on one of the toughest beats in journalism following the toxic trails of pollution in all its forms leone

01:49juberd is a south african science writer and author who digs deep into the carbon pollution driving

01:54climate collapse the processed food oil spill fueling hunger and disease and the plastics teaching and

02:01leaching sorry into our bodies and environment her work asks the hard question who profits from the

02:06right to pollute and who's left paying the price welcome leone thank you it's um just wonderful to

02:13meet you and join you and realize that we're all on the same planet you know um thanks for reaching

02:19out yeah no and again you've done so much it's been so many years of you doing this kind of work and i

02:25can imagine you're exhausted but when you started what was that spark what led you to this kind of kind

02:32of work oh i mean it was quite by accident i really didn't have much of a social justice or

02:36environmental justice passion i don't know i my my father when he was a young man he um was with the

02:43british antarctic survey uh he was on one of the vessels that went down to antarctica for a few years

02:49and um so there was always this kind of mythical place on the planet uh antarctica that i always wanted

02:56to go to and we also grew up in a part of the world that was very kind of rooted in nature and

03:02i was a little bit indifferent to it you know i didn't realize that my parents connection with

03:07nature was actually just slowly growing into my own dna and then as an adult as a master's student when

03:14i was studying science journalism um i had an opportunity to get on the south african research

03:21vessel that travels down to um halfway to antarctica where we have um some we have a weather base down

03:29on a place called the prince edward islands and then it goes further down to antarctica and i

03:33couldn't get all the way to antarctica but i could get to the prince edward islands and that's where it

03:38started and then i was just tagging along behind a team of scientists that were looking at how

03:43rising temperatures and shifting ocean temperatures around that small little ecosystem which is like a

03:49nicely contained laboratory how things were changing and i wrote a few essays around that and i thought

03:55hmm maybe there's a book here and when i got back to the mainland um i was a complete rookie i had no

04:01idea what i was doing um but i started writing a series of essays around how climate how rising

04:08temperatures changing co2 in the atmosphere um that kind of thing would impact on elephants and savannas

04:16or frogs or people growing wanting to grow maize or you know also how the desert would spread

04:23and that was my first book it was called scorched south africa's changing climate and i think it was

04:29at a time when very few writers in the country were focusing on this issue and yes then as a result i

04:37just um it's kind of this blending of long-form storytelling with the science and then as i went

04:45deeper and deeper into the issue i realized that actually i'm writing about pollution and the

04:50system of pollution so whether it's carbon pollution of the atmosphere whether it's nutritional food

04:55pollution of our bodies with food like products whether it's plastics pollution it's the same system

05:01one you know these big powerful corporations have an ability to shift the system in the to their

05:08benefits and you know the environment and individuals pay the price so i want to tell the stories

05:14of the environmental uh and social consequences you know to put a face to the people who end up losing

05:20a limb to diabetes or a river that gets clogged up with plastic and a species of frog you know is

05:27threatened that's that kind of thing but using deeply descriptive storytelling that's impressive and

05:33it's really hard to balance science data with storytelling but humans we love stories we love a good story

05:41so how do you do it where do you strike that balance a i think it just comes naturally to me i

05:46used to absolutely immerse myself in in books as a kid and so i think my brain was already trained in

05:52that direction um and then i was just incredibly lucky you know as a woman in this world to uh to find

06:00her area of competence and then to be able to hone it you know i think many people there are a few people

06:06who are gifted like born writers brilliant writers a lot of us just have to learn it through heavy

06:13lifting through slogging you know trial and error totally and um you know i only i feel so i'm only

06:19now 20 years later learning to really tell a story um but it's such a privilege you know it's uh i love it

06:27it's a combination of creativity and and hard intellectual thinking um and it's powerful you know

06:34storytelling is absolutely central to how societies have have agreed or disagreed and rallied around

06:42ideas and cooperation etc um so yeah i mean storytelling is essential and of course we engage

06:51with stories because they're you know we've got these mirror neurons in our brain so when we can see

06:57and feel and experience someone else's pain or joy or happiness or suffering we respond to it much more

07:03so than if we just get the clinical facts yeah and um i think that's the joy of long-form journalism

07:10is that it can it can bring the hard facts but in a way that actually really lands in someone's soul

07:17that's so beautiful way to say it you are a writer you are

07:24and is that where the idea for story of arc comes from can you tell people what that is and what you're

07:29involved in now yeah so you know it it's quite a hard story to tell um because um yeah i mean i i

07:38often say that if if if this was a stand-up routine that i would say that 2019 was the year that shocked

07:45my hair curly and uh my hair did go curly in 2019 uh in the way that hemingway says we go bankrupt

07:52slowly at first and then suddenly apparently hormones um i was just about to turn 48 and

08:00literally i mean my hair used to be kind of the straight funky little pixie cut and suddenly one

08:05day i wake up and i've got this ronald mcdonald clown cat anyway but sorry the real i digress the

08:12reality is that 2019 was the year that the scientific community or the year before then really they told us

08:19that we had to really keep a global average the global average temperature to within or lower than

08:261.5 degrees c but a lot of scientists were saying there's absolutely no way we're going to achieve

08:31that if we want to you know and it's of course as you know it's not this gentle nice linear increase

08:37it's you know we've been in this lovely stable state for sort of 12 000 years and now we're kind of

08:43tipping tipping tipping and they're saying we're just about to lurch across into another state and

08:49i just suddenly realized that and you know i'd almost been alive for 50 years and in that half

08:54century more than half of the pollution driving climate collapse had been dumped into the atmosphere

09:00that i'd been rising about it for 20 years and the situation is just so much worse

09:05and now we were at then we were being told we've got 10 years to radically kind of put on the handbrake

09:10a question so what does what exactly does that mean does that mean that we're reaching a point

09:15where there's going to be it's it's sort of climbing stably but there's going to be a runway

09:19where it's just going to exponentially explode once we reach a certain point is that is that basically

09:24what what i'm hearing because um because it's interesting to see how it feels because there's

09:30a consensus and then there are people at me about like me that don't know about the consensus you know

09:36among people that are in this world of of um of climate and then there's people outside of that world who have

09:41of don't understand what the consensus is okay so the consensus is very very clear and and i think

09:47where some of the difficulty comes is a lot of us don't understand the difference between evidence

09:53based scientific consensus compared with consensus that is based on ideology compared with consensus

10:01that is based on misinformation for instance what we see on social media so to come back to the evidence

10:07of climate change you know we don't have to believe in gravity gravity still has a hold on us in terms

10:14of the the question you asked about the exponential increase maybe this is a good way of framing it i'm

10:20sure most of your listeners will have watched the movie don't look up and the movie uses this very useful

10:27metaphor of an asteroid coming in that's going to hit earth and a few scientists are trying to alert

10:33everyone that this is going to happen and it's a useful metaphor because it's um uh it does really

10:40shake you awake if you engage with it but it's also overly simplistic because it suggests a single

10:45event at a known and fixed time in the future whereas i think a better metaphor is to imagine that we

10:53are that earth is spinning into a cloud of of rock space debris you know it's this huge cloud of debris

11:01and that we're already spinning into it and that um around the planet as we get deeper into this

11:06this cloud of space debris these rocks are going to start hitting the atmosphere burning up and

11:11they're going to start hitting the earth and we can't necessarily say precisely where each one is going

11:18to hit and what the blast radius will be but we're already seeing a dramatic increase in this rain

11:24raining kind of shower of of space rocks i mean if you look at the la fires if you look at um i mean we've

11:33had absolutely terrible catastrophic um cyclones up the east coast of africa um i mean just around the

11:40world you're seeing extreme events and uh they're getting much much much worse and realizing that

11:46um i just it just broke my brain so at the same so at the same time i'm having this personal kind of

11:52existential exhaustion crisis at the same time um and for those of you who are watching this in the

11:59background is the cat called mouse she is the chief navigator and plucky comic relief on my trip which

12:06i'll tell you about in a minute but yeah so journalism has really collapsed globally i mean you know some

12:12of my major sort of outlets i was writing for national geographic magazine i was writing for a local title

12:18called the daily maverick massive staff cuts across many of these newsrooms as the um they lose revenue

12:26so and then at this at the same time we're told that climate reporting has never been more urgent

12:31so i'm in a situation where i've lost my income i am freaked out about you know i have to be effective

12:38in the next few years i mean this is not about what i do when i'm 60 it's about what i do now to be

12:43effective in terms of shifting public discourse at the same time i'm going broke because i can't get

12:48any work as a freelancer and and then i decide i'm just going to sell my home i'm going to take just

12:56what i need put it into storage and get into this little plumber's van with my cat and we're just going

13:02to travel around the country and just see what happens and it has been extraordinary um i've been on

13:09the road for 10 months um fortunately i was able to get some funding partners that helped to sort

13:14of pay the basic expenses and um yeah it's allowed me to find the stories that really demonstrate a

13:24how the climate is uh is how climate change climate collapse is unfolding on our doorstep here in

13:32southern africa um but also amazingly enough finding people who are addressing the challenges in the

13:39very specific communities and it's not always about climate it's about the systemic stuff that is

13:47making them more vulnerable and how they're rolling up their sleeves and getting the job done to make

13:51themselves more resilient so yeah i basically i i can either call myself a broke homeless middle-aged

13:57woman living out of a van or i could describe myself as a woman of such extraordinary privilege

14:03that i have been able to spend 20 years honing my skills in this way and that i'm able to safely go

14:12out into the world on my own in a van with a tent in the back and just travel wherever the story

14:18takes me and it's been a lot of fun that's really cool it's very much like half glass full empty

14:26discourses and of course i guess the only obvious follow-up question is like what are these stories

14:32you're finding what is something that has impacted you what have you seen on the road so there are a

14:38number um just to circle back quickly um there's this little daily sort of mantra that i use some days

14:46the glass feels half empty and some days the glass feels half full and some days we can see the

14:52beauty of the glass regardless of the mood state so i try and just like play that i think that unlocked

14:59something in my brain just now yeah so i'm gonna have to say okay so one of the very first stories that

15:07i did i mean what a privilege um so on the west coast of south africa we have a a a kind of a semi-desert

15:15going up into a desert and then as you get to the namibian border this beautiful desert it's called

15:20the roosters felt i don't know what that means actually um but uh they are it's mostly covered

15:27with these very small little succulents and really in many cases endemic they don't occur anywhere else

15:33in the world but they are three uh towering tree aloes if you imagine an aloe that is sort of two maybe

15:42three times taller than you and has these beautiful kind of um candelabra kind of uh clusters of leaves

15:52um there's one is called the the giant quiver tree one is called the common quiver tree and the other

15:57one is called the maiden's quiver tree and um they have been hammered i mean these are deserts adapted

16:03species right they know how to handle a hot day but um they've been uh really hammered uh as temperatures

16:11have climbed in the area and more recently there's been um quite a severe drought and so what has

16:17happened is um scientists have seen uh kind of like an advancing dust bowl um in this part of the world

16:26and in some places it might be irreversible and there is one specific site and one specific um

16:32professor who's been working in this area for 40 plus years and he was going

16:36to do a survey of one population of tree aloes and i was able to join him and this was possibly

16:44his very last visit to the site and i mean this was like going into the desert with desert ecology royalty

16:50you know um but very poignant you know to get him reflecting on how much the ecosystems changed

16:56talking about individual trees that he has you know he's got historic photographs of this one tree going

17:03back sort of 50 60 years and then his own experience of visiting the specific tree himself um which was

17:10really touching um moving very moving um and i i mean i thought when i started this project i would be on

17:18the road for just a year you know quickly dash here dash there do a couple of stories i've only really

17:23covered two ecosystems in 10 months one is this desert and and all the factors that are driving this

17:30desertification trend the dust bowl trend um and a little sidebar it's a little bit like

17:37reliving the real life version of john steinbeck's grapes of wrath you know in the he's writing about the

17:441930s when you have uh economic factors so you know these growing multinationals in the agriculture sector

17:52you've got this drought terrible drought and um it ends up driving these smallholder farmers

18:00off their land and they become migrant fruit pickers and if you look at what's happening now

18:07for instance the dust bowl conditions in that part of the world the same economic forces um it's not

18:13farmers that are necessarily being driven off by big agricultural firms but it's the big mining firms

18:18that are moving in and they are so powerful um and they are you know but some huge diamonds diamond mines

18:28they they break the ground so you have this what should be a stable hard desert flat area the sand gets broken

18:36the wind picks up the sand and basically it's like a um a wildfire the sand just gets blasted across the landscape

18:44which then kills the plants further down these tiny little desert adapted plants that are designed

18:51they evolved to handle sandstorms but they can't at this intensity so those plants get killed and then

18:57the ground gets left bare and then the wind picks up that and literally is it just because of the coverage

19:02just the coverage of it it just can't get enough sun just starve or can't breathe sort of that's a

19:10that's a good question in some cases because they get smothered by these these now this mobile sand

19:16and in some cases the the the leaves and stems actually just get sandblasted and killed so you

19:21have two so you have the two factors happening and then weather's it away just their entire oh my

19:27goodness that's that's wild so so you you know you've got you've got um a little bit of like decades of

19:34maybe overgrazing from farmers you've got decades of mining you've got aggressive new mining prospecting

19:39and then you have this drought um and climate bringing higher temperatures so you've got

19:44these changes happening across scales um so that was my first sort of two or three months we're

19:51looking at that and then i drove to the other side of the country where we have i mean it's completely

19:56opposite we've got these massive grasslands that are quite high altitude beautiful grasslands

20:01what you would call prairies i think hey right and and these are really important not just

20:08for farmers who who have livestock like cattle mostly but also sheep and goats it's um so it

20:15drives the sort of local livestock based economy but these grasslands are also really important

20:21water factories so you know rain it's a high rainfall area so you have a lot of rain hitting the

20:26ground and that trickles down into these massive river systems that feed huge areas not just of

20:32south africa but of our neighboring countries and then you also have the carbon climate role that

20:38they play so we don't have a lot of natural forests in this part of africa but we do have a lot of

20:44grassland and a lot of savannah so grasslands are one of our most important ecosystems for pulling for

20:52mopping carbon excess carbon from the atmosphere and locking it in the soil so um if our farmers can be

20:59supported to graze their land and manage their land well it's not just for their own household benefits

21:07or the regional economy or for putting a chop on the barbecue sorry a chop on the bri is what we would

21:12say you would call it a steak on the barbecue i think yeah the americans um that yeah you know the if

21:21they are custodians of a landscape that supports regional water and global climate stability so i've been

21:28doing a number of stories on the various factors that are making it hard for farmers to do that

21:33and we're talking indigenous um farmers and we're talking the oh politically this is difficult but

21:41you know the farmer the white farmers who are from settler stock you know so which all in all you know

21:46they're farmers they have a role to play in this in this sort of ecology um and you you you see a lot

21:52do you see any like you we've seen a trend of like not just not support but hostility from political

22:01entities towards farmers do you see that in africa as well because we've i think we've seen that in

22:05europe kind of seen that in the united states especially against uh farmers that aren't the from big

22:11corporate and that aren't part of a big corporate stack yeah you know i don't think so like the question of

22:19land in south africa is very political and it's quite a difficult one i don't know if i want to

22:24go down that rabbit hole here because it it involves talking a lot about our our imperial colonial and

22:31apartheid era history which is really problematic and it it kind of lingers you know it's just such

22:36a sticky issue so the fact that so many indigenous um families and homes and communities were driven off

22:43their land now you have you know the the descendants of settlers own most of the farming land and the

22:51indigenous communities are you know shoved into these tiny little areas so that is more of the

22:58issue i don't think there's as much hostility from uh governments i think what leaves most farmers

23:03vulnerable actually are the market forces you know the the food system is dominated by large corporations

23:10and large agribusiness and they um because they they leave farmers as price takers you know on the

23:20food the commodity side of things and um yeah you know from all of the farmers i've spoken to whether

23:27they are really small small households um or these massive commercial farms they are just one extreme

23:34event away from bankruptcy in many cases you know one bad fire one bad drought and they lose it all

23:41because there's just no fat on the bone um because the system is just stacked against them so you know

23:47how do we make all of these farmers more resilient uh so that we can have um better more healthy food

23:53on the table our grasslands are managed in a way that's for the common good yeah and is that what your

24:00goal is with this kind of reporting and story of arc is it to bring awareness to these things

24:05to sort of create the future you want to see yeah so i want to can i tell you one of the most amazing

24:11stories that i found and it just blew my mind because i was so off my radar so i arrive in a little

24:17eastern cape town called matatiel and i find i i get introduced to an ngo called the environmental and

24:26rural solutions and they have been working um so this uh this ngo and um local uh communal farmers so

24:35indigenous farmers um closer speaking um from the kind of culture where it's very much a livestock

24:42based economy so each family has a small or most families will have a small herd of cows maybe some

24:49sheep they earn a little bit of income from maybe you know if they need to if they need to send the kid

24:54off to varsity you know they'll sell a cow you know or um also strong kind of cultural roots there

25:02anyway one of the the things that is undermining the farmer's herd health which then drives them to

25:10have more cows grazing the felt we that felt that's a local word for grass prairie um is the fact that

25:21people are throwing disposable nappies out into the felt now here's the problem families uh here so we

25:29talk with like far away these are people who don't have cars they many of them don't have jobs they have

25:36a little bit of income from a social group from social grants maybe a member of the household has gone

25:41to has you know traveled to town has a job there and sends money home each month um but there are no

25:47jobs in the community and um the nappies that that are available to them they only have the single

25:54use disposable nappies you can't buy cloth nappies anyway now i was just doing the maths on this um

26:01a single nappy now imagine you've got a like a household with very little cash a single nappy uh

26:07disposable nappy will cost uh 20 us cents um not a lot of money you know but um the problem is that

26:16there's no municipal waste collection out here um you can't burn these nappies you can't bury them

26:24because they're made from indestructible plastic and you know absorbent gel um so the the families

26:30don't know what to do so they just you know like out of sight out of mind they throw it into the felt

26:35and hope that nature will take its course and invariably as we now know you know plastic does not

26:42biodegrade it it just breaks down into smaller small and smaller parts until you eventually

26:47can't see it but the problem here is that a the cows were eating the nappies as they broke down

26:53so that causes potentially lethal gastric obstruction but at the same time having human feces in the system

27:01means that the tapeworm cycle uh keeps ticking over and that means that the abattoirs wouldn't

27:07that they just thought it was too risky to buy these animals because by by law if an abattoir

27:13has a cow and they find the carcass has got more than 50 percent of its tissue can show sign of tapeworm

27:19damage then they have to um dispose of the carcass they can't use it so they don't want to buy from

27:26these farmers so the farmers economy is undermined anyway so that was the reason that the community and

27:32in fact still like you know gender roles are still quite you know fixed here but it was the farmers

27:38that said we have to deal with the nappy problem and so they teamed up with the ngo and they found

27:46a small organization that makes these fantastic um washable nappies and i mean this is like the ferrari

27:54of washable nappies you know gone are the days of those you know those huge toweling ones that our parents

27:58used to use where you've got to try not punch your baby with all the safety pins it's a cute little

28:05like little pants that have a whole lot of press studs so that you can the nappy can grow as the

28:11baby grows there's a a waterproof liner that you put in that's also washable and then they put the um

28:20like a completely compostable liner to catch the solids and i mean this is what most women are saying

28:26is like we don't want to wash the poop and i mean i can completely get that so so um and of course but

28:34this this community is so far off the e-commerce grid i mean they are like miles from anywhere so

28:38the ngo bought a whole lot of stock from the the company had it delivered there and then the ngo

28:44working with the community they started they found people in the community that wanted to become

28:49sellers of this product and i mean it's super cheap you know um so if you imagine i did the the

28:55maps here again for you um a child support support grant from the state is uh the equivalent of about

29:04thirty two dollars and to buy a pack i think of five nappies is is less than that and over the course

29:12of a child's nappy wearing days um you know from infancy until they're potty trained um a family will

29:20spend about eight hundred and fifty dollars uh through which in south african terms for these

29:27farmers that's the equivalent of buying three cows it's so but if they so that's using the disposable

29:34nappies but if they buy the the washable nappies these ones they spend the equivalent of one month

29:41social grants to buy these nappies and those nappies will last the kid you know for its nappy

29:46wearing days and can be given to the next kid or the neighbor's kid or whatever so it's a fantastic

29:52example of of how they put their heads together and they just solve the problem yeah and it's one

29:59of those things like i think we were talking about this earlier where there are system changes that

30:04directly impact the climate and make you know our resilience to climate change better but also just

30:11make life better you know they're not because with this you're cleaning up an issue that you have in

30:17the economy but also in the environment and also in a household and also in systems of child care

30:25like there's so many there's so much good that comes out of this so i think it's a very holistic

30:30example of how that looks yeah so the the so the first uh so i'm i'm doing a four-part series on this

30:38the first part looks at what this community has done to solve the problem themselves the second part

30:45i then got hold of i wanted to look at who are the powerful players in the system we in our

30:52constitution we have a constitutional right to a healthy safe environment my question to these

30:57corporates was you're really powerful in the system whether you are nappy producers or whether

31:02you are big retailers that are stocking you you choose what to stock your shelves with right

31:08what is your single use plastic policy and how does that align with the single use nappies you're

31:15stocking and how does this align with your responsibility your legal responsibility to uphold

31:23citizens right to a healthy safe environment do you know what almost none of those uh corporations

31:30replied to my messages i got one reply from one of them it's like they don't give a hoot um so yeah

31:40you know we know exactly who we know exactly who can make the biggest difference if they just got a

31:45backburn and put uh the health of the environment and this these families ahead of their own profits yes

31:53but in this system in this system and i guess one of the last things we want to hear from you is how

31:59can people get involved because you are just one person going around collecting these amazing

32:04stories and sharing them with us i think that's really inspiring as an individual who sometimes

32:09feels like well am i even doing enough what else can i do so what would you tell someone yes i i now

32:16love this question i used to hate this question because i never had an answer for it and then of course

32:21you well noah harari the historian and like all-time genius he put out an answer recently which i now

32:30draw on he says for an individual who wants to be able to make a change within this massive system

32:36where you feel so small and insignificant the the best thing you can do is to either start a movement

32:42or join a movement and look very few of us have the time or resources or the skill to start an

32:48organization but we can join and support those organizations that are already doing the work

32:54you know if you look at there are so many organizations really big ones tiny ones like

33:00the little the ngo that was doing the nappy work these are organizations that they have the theory of

33:05change they've got the networks they know how to leverage policy they know how to mobilize communities

33:11you you can you can give them money without even leaving the comfort of your armchair activism you know

33:18all you if you have skills you can volunteer your time and skills and you know the one thing that

33:23has really come through so clearly for me in the last few months is that as the shower of rocks

33:31starts hitting our planet um we are all going to have to become first responders and we are all going

33:37to have to get involved i mean none of us can avoid it anymore um it is frightening but there's also so

33:44much research uh to show that when you find your point of leverage and you work that point of leverage

33:51whether it's to help you know if stray dogs are left hungry after a fire you know or you know people

33:59need uh humanitarian aid after a terrible flood you know whatever um all these slow burn things like

34:07the the nappy pollution in this neighborhood um if we can find our point of leverage and do just a little bit

34:14um it will give it will do wonders for our own sense of well-being and it will help us overcome

34:20this paralysis i love it that's perfect and we're going to talk a lot more about that on the blog

34:25section so visit tangeliclife.org to read more about that thank you leone for being here and yeah we're

34:32just going to dive in and get some more ideas of how to avoid despair in this system and climate crisis

34:38that we find ourselves in so once again this was tangelic talks thank you for being here

34:50let's talk power let's talk change for rural lights to brighter days equity rising voices strong we're

34:59building tomorrow building tomorrow where we all belong tangelic talks energy equity pride in power in the world

35:09side by side a spark becomes a fire a vision that's true together we rise it starts with you

Pollution, Power & Storytelling: Leonie Joubert on Climate Journalism & Community Resilience | Tangelic Talks S03E04

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