Mutual Aid & Collapse: Eric Shonkwiler on Leftist Prepping & Joyful Resilience | S02E10 - video Dailymotion

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🌍 What if prepping was about people, not panic? In this episode of Tangelic Talks, Victoria Cornelio and Jensen Cummings speak with Eric Shonkwiler—novelist, abolitionist, and creator of When If—to explore a radically human take on collapse, survival, and solidarity.  Ditch the doomsday stereotypes. This conversation weaves together fiction, mutual aid, and emotional insight to paint a hopeful path through crisis—where prepping means building, connecting, and growing with joy.  🎙️ What You’ll Learn: ✅ Why prepping isn’t just for the far-right—reclaiming collective resilience ✅ How to build community infrastructure rooted in care, not fear ✅ Emotional preparedness as survival strategy ✅ What fiction and the Great Depression can teach us about collapse ✅ Why chickens, compost, and joy are part of the plan  📌 Timestamps: 00:00–01:22 Leftist Prepping? Rethinking Survival in a Collapsing World 01:23–03:15 Meet Eric Shonkwiler: Author, Activist & Collapse Communicator 03:16–05:44 Filling the Gap: Leftist Voices in a Right-Leaning Prepper Space 05:45–08:00 Preparedness = Community: Shared Infrastructure & Emotional Resilience 08:01–10:55 Grandmother’s Wisdom & Growing Up Poor: Lessons in Survival 10:56–13:50 Oxygen Mask First: Self-Reliance as a Path to Collective Aid 13:51–16:16 No Trust in the System, Deep Faith in People 16:17–19:31 Shared Values, Different Worlds: Where Left & Right Preppers Overlap 19:32–23:25 Facing Collapse with Courage: Letting Go of Strawberries & Netflix 23:26–26:55 Joy in the Simple: Chickens, Gardens & Gift Economies 26:56–30:13 Survival Is Not the Goal: Living Fully, Together 30:14–32:46 Reflections & Close: Bridging Worlds with Pop Culture & Purpose, and End  💚 About the Guest: Eric Shonkwiler is the author of Above All Men and founder of When If, an abolitionist, anti-capitalist prepping newsletter featured in The Guardian and CNN. He bridges storytelling and resilience with grounded, practical insights for a better future.  📽️ Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tangeliclife/podcasts 🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1Tp4UAU4FmUmKS4md9orvi 🍏 Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tangelic-talks/id1789613381 🌐 More Episodes: https://tangeliclife.org/tangelic-talks-podcast/  🌱 Join the Movement: What does community resilience mean to you? Share your stories and survival dreams in the comments!  ✅ Like • Share • Comment • Subscribe and help spread tools for a more caring, connected climate future.  🔖 #LeftistPrepping #MutualAidMatters #CollapseWithCare #EmotionalResilience #JoyInHardTimes #ClimateCollapse #AntiCapitalistFutures #SurvivalIsCollective #GrowShareThrive #TangelicTalks #RadicalHope #PreppingWithoutFear #BuildingTogether

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00:00well i think because the last of us is one of those shows that shows you different ways of

00:04preparedness and survival within an apocalyptic world right and one of the things i read when we

00:10were looking into you is that you sort of championed this idea focused on community emotional

00:16resilience shared infrastructure and you know kind of like jackson so to speak right we're going to

00:21keep the analogy but preparedness doesn't have to be a solely right-wing phenomenon it can be owned

00:28and i i think that it can be owned by anybody and it should be owned by everybody you're not hiding

00:33in your bunker hoarding cans of beans and just unhappy as hell eating cold beans out of a can

00:41right with a wooden spoon like that's not how you're advocating that life needs to be

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01:23welcome to tangelic talks a podcast at the intersection of energy equity and empowerment

01:28with your co-host victoria cornelio and myself jensen cummings in today's episode we're talking climate

01:34collapse and personal preparedness with eric schunkweiler eric is the writer and creator of when if

01:42a newsletter on preparedness and collapse from a leftist perspective he and his work on preparedness

01:47have appeared in several publications including the guardian cnn and live like the world is dying

01:52he has also published three books of fiction including 2014's above all men a novel about the economic

01:58and climatic collapse of the united states eric thanks for being with us welcome thank you for having me

02:04all right get the last name right you did all right got got my job done okay i wanted to read this

02:10specifically as doing some some research and getting into the website uh which is very well organized and

02:16detailed which i really liked uh you say in their quote when if is explicitly leftist anti-capitalist anti-racist

02:23pro-lgbtqia plus abolitionist content if that's not your speed this probably isn't for you

02:31i was i was taken by that i was drawn to that as well i was very very interested it got me thinking

02:36right away why did you feel the need and kind of positioning yourself in a space with the preparedness

02:44that it needed to be said that it's coming from a leftist perspective is was there not that space

02:50being occupied currently did you feel like there was a gap there what kind of drew you to that specific

02:56positioning in this space uh there certainly is a gap um particularly when you are talking about the

03:03the common parlance of a prepper or preparedness um the you know the idea that people uh have when

03:11you hear prepper is uh is this person um with a you know a wall of guns and and like some freeze-dried

03:19buckets of food in their basement this is encapsulated pretty perfectly by uh by bill in the last of us

03:27so you've you've got that idea bill in the beginning of that last of us episode um is is the idea that

03:34comes to everybody's mind yep but preparedness doesn't have to be a solely right-wing phenomenon

03:41it can be owned and i i think that it can be owned by anybody and it should be owned by everybody i in

03:48particular am a leftist uh and there is a a pretty severe lack of uh of content anywhere uh anywhere past

03:58the right so even uh you've got some decent content with like a an apolitical stance um which i find to

04:06be somewhat cowardly um because so much of what we're preparing for these days is political uh all

04:12of it really is political by its nature yeah um but i in particular you have uh you have a few uh other

04:21people in this in this sphere that are talking either directly about preparedness like margaret killjoy

04:26uh and live like the world is dying her podcast or uh podcasts like uh it could happen here by robert

04:33evans which dance around the subject of preparedness but are coming at the you know the the subjects

04:41that that you need to prepare for um but shy of that there's not a ton uh there are a few uh you know

04:48there's a blog here and there and there's there are certainly groups that are working toward

04:53preparedness from certain angles um my my idea was to fill a niche um that was lacking for folks that

05:00needed uh when i began the project it was from the ground up so you've got you basically have nothing

05:06here's where you begin when you have nothing uh i've been working on when if now for almost five years

05:12and at this point uh i've talked all about uh making sure that you've got beans in your pantry i've

05:17talked about that as much as i can um and so now i i speak more on bean enthusiasts that i read yeah

05:23correct yeah um my my wife and i uh she's vegan i'm very nearly vegan so our protein comes a lot of it

05:31in my case from beans lentils i love them um but yeah i there there is certainly a lack and i uh i saw

05:39myself at least in the beginning uh fulfilling that that niche in particular and building on that uh over the

05:46the course of these years uh toward talking about uh like you said in the beginning climate collapse

05:51and kind of collapse in general okay that's really interesting so i was telling jensen before we hopped

05:57on i'm gonna try my best not to mention the last of us because this is a serious conversation but i

06:04think it's really important right into it right into it i can see the smile on victoria's face well i

06:11think because the last of us is one of those shows that shows you different ways of preparedness and

06:16survival within an apocalyptic world right and one of the things i read when we were looking into you

06:22is that you sort of championed this idea focused on community emotional resilience shared infrastructure

06:29you know kind of like jackson so to speak right we're gonna keep the analogy so how did you first

06:35encounter this emerging community and what kind of surprise to most about how they redefine preparedness

06:42and how the how does that influence how you define preparedness to jump to the second part of the

06:48question i i think that the the surprising thing about uh about leftists and preparedness is that

06:57there's sort of nothing surprising about it this isn't a it's not for for people that are that aren't

07:03coming at this from a right-wing perspective where they think that they have to hoard and they're

07:09and they're thinking very individualistically and with a capitalist mindset the big thing that we all

07:15try to talk about is community it's mutual aid helping each other out having shared infrastructure

07:22and that's it's instinctive it's not surprising it it falls back upon uh i think what we all like to

07:30think of is human nature uh which is that the reason that we're all here talking to each other uh is

07:36because of shared infrastructure and because we all had these ideas uh that we decided to share with

07:42other people from time immemorial to the present uh and without that without the notion that we would

07:49share these things i we wouldn't be where we are today if you know we wouldn't have the internet we

07:55wouldn't have roads so it's not it's not surprising it is this uh this fundamental tenet of humanity

08:03that we were in this together this is one planet uh and it's smaller than we think and if we're going

08:10to make it we have to do so together i was interested understand the kind of the perspective and

08:15the gap that you're feeling from you from a personal standpoint i read that the spark maybe for

08:22you was all the way back to childhood your grandmother right going through the great

08:27depression and you said jokingly and seriously that uh she could stretch a can of soup you know

08:34yeah as far as the eye can see so to speak how does that kind of taking you back to that perspective

08:40and seeing her perspective in that way as an adult now as somebody who now is creating this type of

08:46content how does that influence and how does that give you perspective on kind of your own mission your

08:51own goals your own path forward uh so it it goes back uh to what i was saying in in this sort of

08:57the instinctive nature of us working together it reinforces that um when i think about how my grandma

09:05made it through uh so my hometown um i i grew up and was told essentially that we didn't leave the great

09:14depression until about 1960. it just it just lasted for us and uh my grandma living through um the world

09:24war ii in she was in america so she wasn't like living through battles or anything but uh you you were

09:32stretching money as far as you could if you had money uh my family we were on stamps and the way that

09:38they survived uh is is the way that i think um anarchists like myself and other leftists and uh

09:48and communists to some extent see us surviving which is that we make an agreement between ourselves that

09:55that we take care of each other um so my grandma would watch children and in turn get you know get some

10:04food from a garden or you know get uh get some clothing repaired or get a new tire put on a bike

10:11um it's it's an exchange of goods and services rather than just uh putting money into the machine

10:18and having that money go somewhere else um it it was always a reciprocal relationship um it was obviously

10:26when i say you do x and you get y that's transactional but it was based on this idea that uh that we

10:33are together we're a community i do this for you because i need it and i know that you'll do

10:40something for me because i'm going to need it eventually and that i think that makes it uh this

10:47like i said this this instinctive notion of uh of community um that uh it just reinforces that i i think

10:54that i come from that place becoming a becoming a prepper and becoming a leftist and eventually an

11:01anarchist almost simultaneously uh meant that i i came into truths that i always knew um and just

11:12and rediscovered them or came at them from a different angle and and just knew in my heart

11:17that this was always sort of probably how should how things should be yeah so what i'm hearing is there

11:22was an inherent thing there and as you've lived through experiences you kind of uncovered the layers

11:28of that and got into in touch with the reality of that you already knew but probably didn't have

11:34the way to articulate it and i can imagine there's a big maybe disappointment in the way institutions

11:41are at the moment especially how ready they are to support the kind of relational community-based

11:47resilience that you're talking about so what are some things that you think need to change that would be

11:53not necessarily immediate but would help us fast forward the kind of prepping that you're talking

12:00about that's a huge question i know what should what should get changed in this system oh man uh

12:10um so i when it come i i won't speak for the system um because if if the system were functioning as it

12:18should as i believe that it should it probably would be vestigial it would hardly exist but first steps

12:24for like a for a person um are to uh the metaphor that i use and that people use frequently begins

12:33individualistically uh and it's the metaphor is secure your own oxygen mask mask first so you and that

12:40is that is just to make it through a crisis so take that metaphor as make sure that you have the

12:49resources that can get you through something acute uh if you're you're me and and you're about to

12:56experience a pretty heavy heat dome following a storm but i wouldn't be surprised if we lost power

13:01i know that i've got neighbors acute a few uh neighborhoods over that still don't have power from

13:07pretty a pretty middling storm the day before uh you combine those two things and depending on your

13:14health you're in danger um and it's it's as simple as that two two linear not not terrifically unique

13:23events combined to create a crisis and if you are prepared for that you are then on a stable position

13:30to help others um and that that is the basis uh really for when if uh and it's beginnings um and

13:37the basis for for my my stance on preparedness which is you make sure that you're okay so that you can

13:43help other people if you are uh if you're prepared you're not a liability so make sure that you are okay

13:51as a first step with the intention behind that that you go out into your community

13:58to assist others uh it's a very quick jump uh from from being prepared for a crisis uh or a disaster

14:08or what have you to yeah mutual aid to lending whatever skills you have uh to the people around

14:16you yeah and i think it's a good distinction that you make there because most people think about

14:22preparedness and you know they'll put your mask on first it's like i'm gonna put my mask on and i'm

14:27gonna stay here and that's it right so i guess that's kind of well how do you what's the word i'm

14:36looking for how do you reconcile a lack of trust in institutions with this focus on collective action

14:44and community reliance how do you organize then in this community well i it's sort of funny

14:51being as far left as i am uh you wind up with some of those conventional sensibilities that preppers

15:00have which is a distrust in the system a distrust in the government um because you don't have to look

15:06very far uh i could literally almost look out my window and see failures uh in that system failures to

15:12take care of of people um and to take care of the infrastructure that is supposed to be supported by

15:18uh to be uh materialistic about it our tax dollars so there's uh there is a you know a a distrust um

15:27that i don't think needs to be reconciled uh i don't have to uh hold these two notions together in

15:34my mind like with a juggling act or anything i have a distrust in the system i do not have a distrust in

15:41people so my community is not the system my community is not the government my community is

15:48certainly not the state um the people that i am wanting to go out and assist in the wake of some

15:57disaster are my neighbors uh and friends and and as far as my resources and skills can reach

16:04but at no point does that mean that like i'm trying to help the cops or trying to help fema

16:12um we may inadvertently be doing similar work at some point but that does not mean that i'm trying

16:18to assist them uh nor do i necessarily think that they're really trying to assist us i want to

16:24understand this a little bit we joked about the last of us and talking about these these different

16:30archetypes right these these characters of what we assume a leftist versus a right wing

16:38in in any given sphere let alone the the prepping sphere specifically i imagine that uh the left and

16:47right is not linear right there's many things that are circular in this where sometimes we we have more

16:52in common potentially with somebody on on the right wing than we do somebody else who might say that

16:57they're a progressive that they're a liberal that they're leftist that they're a democrat if we want

17:01to go political so what do you see as far as some some overlap within kind of your counterparts on

17:08the other side so to speak and then where do you see okay here's distinctly now i understand from a

17:13nuanced standpoint this is where we distinctly are divided and here's maybe where we really do have a

17:19lot more intersectionality than i may have thought or others on the outside may think so i'll begin with

17:26the folks that people call to mind you know that they call to mind bill um in the beginning of that

17:32episode at least he's on the right he's probably a libertarian i think he even has a gadsden flag

17:37um he's just uh distrustful of the government um but the the end that he is working toward is simply

17:45survival um and and i'm working toward more than that and i think that while i share that distrust of

17:54the government um with bill and with uh people on the right um that distrust uh it's borne out for

18:03the same reasons we see uh we see things that we expect from the system that aren't being given

18:10and in certain cases we align on those uh in some cases those people on the right that distrust the

18:16system distrust it because of social gains uh you know as as simple as gay marriage and faltering

18:24recognition of trans rights um that i as we speak is being evaporated i obviously would disagree

18:31vehemently with those people um i i see those small social gains as being victories that we should cling to

18:39um but their distrust of the system overall is something that we share and and something that we can

18:44agree on and and a place where i think relationships can be built whereas that is our uh on the left

18:51like probably our primary sticking point with people in the center or people that would describe themselves

18:56as liberal or progressive uh they tend to believe in the state and think that the state is doing good

19:01things and i i just i i simply disagree um there are things that uh things that it has done correctly in the

19:10past uh i think that those victories uh are far outweighed by uh the exploitation of the global south uh

19:17uh as as we exist in a capitalist system i the way that we live in the united states right now is largely

19:26because we have extracted the wealth uh of other nations um primarily in the global south uh and that goes unrecognized

19:35largely i think by centrists and and and progressive and liberals they they don't really recognize that

19:43where they are fighting for uh these social gains that i will reiterate are very important uh they're

19:50fighting for those gains on the backs of people that they don't think about and and that is uh that's

19:56a sticking point that i'll never get over i those people i would uh would insist uh come to terms with

20:04their relationship with the state and with extractive capitalism um whereas i would tell people on the

20:10right uh you know probably the people that you think are demons are actually just human beings

20:16and uh and you need to you need to get over yourself yeah and i think a lot of that follows the logic of

20:21if we are part of a community you know the people that came before you and in a community you share

20:26stories and you share lessons and everything's a lot more interconnected than just the one thing that's

20:32happening right now um completely disconnected from the next thing right i kind of want to switch gears a

20:38little bit and talk about some of the things i read in your website specifically was how preparation

20:45isn't just about stockpiling it's not just about community but also addressing grief fear and acceptance

20:53of you know the collapse that is happening how does that happen how do you go about that what methods or

21:00practices have you seen effectively support people through this that i think is probably uh i'll be

21:07frank and say like my weakest subject um i i can largely only speak to uh my experiences um and the

21:14experiences of my friends literature um it's fine i i gazed around and immediately i'm confronted by books

21:22um so i i would suggest before anything else that people uh look to descriptions of utopia um as few

21:33and far between as those are against dystopic pop culture uh the last of us obviously is a dystopia

21:40um that that perspective tends to outweigh those that find a utopia in the future

21:46uh but they do exist and they can be helpful um uh parable of the sower uh would be a big one octavia

21:54butler uh ursula k leguin um comes up with uh not necessarily utopias but differing perspectives that

22:02permit a person to to dream of a world that exists i i think that you could you could find a one-to-one

22:10correlation from uh ursula k leguin's the dispossessed where these uh these people uh anarchists

22:16exist on a moon in a uh in a dispossessed state they have very little in in uh material goods or

22:23even so much as food um that you know and they orbit around this this capitalist planet that has so

22:29much but i think that you can find a way to look at collapse uh through that lens um a lot of what is

22:38going to disappear around us is something that you don't necessarily need um a lot of the systems

22:47that exist are uh exploitive and uh and extractive and without them we think that a lot of what we

22:56have will disappear but in reality i think that we would get along just fine it's just that we won't

23:01have all the things that we think we need immediately so the thing that comes to mind immediately for me

23:06for whatever reason is strawberries uh you would have strawberries when they're in season

23:12but you wouldn't have them year-round because you're not going to get them shipped from across

23:17the globe where they're growing because it's springtime in the southern hemisphere or what have

23:22you um that is the fact that you don't have strawberries when you want them is not collapse

23:29uh while the system that brought you that may have collapsed uh you you can still exist and you can

23:36still have strawberries sometimes i i think that there is one of the things that we have to do when

23:42we think about collapse uh whether that be climate collapse or the collapse of the systems just from uh the

23:50the economic overextension from wars or what have you is that that life can continue you have to

23:58shift the way that you look at it so you you take that perspective from the dispossessed and you find

24:04ways to survive and enjoy life uh just without the accoutrement that that you had previously um

24:13netflix ceases to be probably um but maybe you still uh on occasion get to get together with friends

24:20and watch a movie you know i and i think that that those things become more joyous uh and and greater

24:30reasons to celebrate uh because of that um i don't even want to say like probation but that temporary lack

24:37the fact that you talk about strawberries is just like really hit me we just had the strawberry moon

24:42here right and there's some debates it's like oh yeah because it's like red like a strawberry it's like

24:48no it's not actually red it's because it's signifying the strawberry season is what it was and

24:54it got me thinking about the seasonality strawberries and then two weeks ago we we got these hydroponic

25:00strawberries and i'm thinking like i don't even know what a strawberry is anymore because i i grew up in uh

25:06in germany where we had phase of this best tiny little wild strawberries and and i started thinking

25:12about that i was like well i don't even know what a strawberry tastes like anymore i was i was recognizing

25:16in myself in this moment so you that got very meta for me yeah uh for a second there and i appreciate

25:22that the the joy for life i want to touch on that i want to give you the opportunity to talk about that

25:29you're not hiding from the world is what i keep hearing from you and everything that i've read that

25:34you're not hiding in your bunker hoarding cans of beans and just unhappy as hell eating cold beans out

25:41of a can right with a wooden spoon like that's not how you're advocating that life needs to be

25:48talk about the the joys that you're finding and that you kind of instill in these communities and

25:52the way that you're going about bringing that type of mentality and approach to what seems like a very

25:58daunting lifestyle well i i think that uh that shirking off that shrugging off the the aspect of

26:07that right-wing prepper who has to stay hidden or to be on the offensive um is the first step and

26:13finding that finding this lifestyle my lifestyle as a prepper uh to be one that doesn't need to be uh

26:21one of fear um or an impending scarcity or anything like that um by centering community you you begin

26:34that method of preparedness in a way without even realizing it so i uh we have chickens uh in our

26:42backyard and uh one of the one of the greatest things about my day is the first thing that i do in the

26:50the morning which is i get up i go outside and i let the chickens out and that to me is just so cool

26:57i i you know i go out and i do this very little farm chore and we don't eat the birds um but we do eat

27:05the eggs so i let them out i feed them i give them table scraps sometimes um they they really got lucky

27:12yesterday i we had some uh some english muffins that were uh a little bit stale i was like well they're

27:19going to the birds so i took them out with uh with an apple and uh and fed that to them and they went

27:25crazy uh and they give us eggs and and to to interact with an animal in that way to get uh to get to eat

27:37something from their work and be rewarded by your work and you know in turn um it's just so cool and i like

27:46another part of that cycle is that i don't buy uh i don't buy soil like i don't go to lowe's and pick

27:53up a bag of fertilizer uh i use the chickens i compost it and then i could put that in my garden

27:59um but the uh to bring that around the the produce that i grow uh mostly corn and tomatoes and beans

28:09uh and the eggs that uh the birds lay uh at least in the spring and summertime it's too much for us

28:18so that goes to neighbors and friends and community members um and that is just joyful to me i i i have

28:28never accepted dime for any of it and i never will um neighbors are like please let me pay something eggs

28:34are so expensive i'm like no i you know i i wasn't going to eat these i i have more than i need i

28:40don't need anything for that exchange just you know take them eat them enjoy them i think that that

28:47that idea uh of fostering community is is so con so contrary to that idea of the guy hiding in his bunker

28:57um that it it's paradigm shattering um so much so that i almost uh take pause at the question i'm like

29:06well i don't i don't really have to worry about that at all do i um because it from from start to

29:13finish uh my day is out in the world um i you know i'm trying to help people even if it's as minor

29:22as just giving my neighbor some eggs um whereas the the stereotypical prepper is is in his basement

29:31uh like i don't know um pulling up an excel spreadsheet for all of his supplies maybe and

29:36making sure that he's rotating them which is a thing that i do too but like i don't i don't know

29:41what else he's doing with his time maybe uh he's just fiddling around with his guns yeah and i think it

29:47does tie back to what you were saying it's not just about survival but putting on the mask so you

29:52can go out and help people because what's the point of surviving if you're just going to isolate

29:57right yeah i i don't see uh i don't see a reason for continuing to exist as um to go back to the last

30:05of us as bill without frank um if if all that you're going to do is live through to be like the

30:11last person on the planet um i guess if you want those bragging rights okay but i don't understand

30:17it i gotta say i like how pop culture this actually this episode got because it just makes

30:23it more relatable that was important to me and having this conversation and just digging into your

30:28work a little bit and understanding it uh this this whole show and everything that we do is about

30:35victoria and i constantly being having existential crisis and having meta moments where we can like

30:40reflect on our own impacts and things so it's selfishly i appreciate kind of learning about

30:45these things and and having a little bit of zest for life while still you know not going through

30:51life blindly at the same time it's really kind of what i see from a fundamental level that i may not

30:56uh live the lifestyle that you live but it doesn't mean i have to be uh obtuse to the fact that this is

31:02a reality that is going to be more beneficial in many ways more sustainable than the life that i'm even

31:08living so i can appreciate that and i like that we're giving our audience an opportunity to create

31:14a little bit of resonance with the work that you're doing and and recognize it so i appreciate that

31:18and also you know acknowledging that uh that preppers on any part of the spectrum are uh needing to be

31:26acknowledged as well because they they are doing work in sustainability that's a lot of us are not

31:31willing or are able to do so i can appreciate that all right that's all the time we have for the

31:36video cast part of this you know as always everybody that we get some of that uh exclusive

31:40content for the blog post we'll do a little bit more q a with eric here so go to tangeliclife.org

31:46and check that out i think we're going to get some some specific details i selfishly want a couple

31:51specific details that i can try and apply in my own life and hopefully those things can help you out as

31:55well but once again we've been talking climate collapse and personal preparedness with eric schunkweiler

32:01with what if eric we really appreciate you being on thank you for having me

32:13let's stop power let's stop change for rural lights to brighter days equity rising voices strong we're

32:22building tomorrow where we all belong tangela talks energy equity pride in power in the world side by side

32:32a spark becomes a fire a vision that's true together we rise it starts with you

Mutual Aid & Collapse: Eric Shonkwiler on Leftist Prepping & Joyful Resilience | S02E10

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