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02:18This is Tazen Luqman from CNA Daily.

02:20I'm so sorry, I thought we weren't live, but we are now.

02:23And right now we're with.

02:24Sack Jan, of Muda Sack Jan.

02:26The Muda Sack Jan.

02:27Sakjan. She's also definitely

02:28muda. Yeah. Yeah. Kita semua muda

02:30kat sini. Um, no, I'm

02:32not. I'm saying we're young. Um,

02:35Aini Hazika. Hi, Aini.

02:37Thank you so much for joining us on Top News.

02:38Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me today.

02:40Okay, sorry guys. Sorry for the sudden

02:42terkejut. So, sekarang ni kita akan berbincang

02:44tentang what in the case is

02:46happening between Aini and

02:48Datuk Sri Zahid Hamidi, the Deputy Prime Minister.

02:51Okay, what happened? Seriously,

02:52let's go back to basics. Why did you

02:54get the LOD? Is that the LOD?

02:56Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. So,

02:58um, I haven't really,

03:00I mean, like, it's all over the news.

03:03Um, I got Letter of Demand.

03:05Okay. So, Letter of Demand ni

03:06dia macam notis tuntutan lah. You know, that

03:08they demand us to do something, you know.

03:10And as a lawyer myself,

03:12um, sending out Letter of Demand is

03:14so normal for me. Because obviously

03:16I do that on a daily basis. Yeah, for work.

03:18Or, okay, for work. But, um,

03:20today I got served, I mean, not today lah.

03:22At that particular time, hari itu, I got served

03:24with, um, the LOD.

03:25Um, we made, um, press conference

03:28on it. Uh, we have actually addressed the

03:30public on what actually happened, what

03:32actually transpired and whatnot. So,

03:34today, um, Sina Daily would got,

03:36would get, like, the, um,

03:38exclusives of, um,

03:41the Letter of Demand. Okay.

03:43Which, in the Letter of Demand, of course,

03:45they, um,

03:46demanded me to, um,

03:49minta maaf, um,

03:50tarik balik, whatever I have, um,

03:52uttered and said. And, of course,

03:54ask me for 10 million. Okay.

03:5510 million? Yeah!

03:57Yeah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:58Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

04:00Wow, wow. 10 million ringgit, you guys.

04:02Yep, yep, yep, yep. 10 million, eh.

04:04Okay, for big people, maybe, like,

04:06hmm, nothing. Alright, yeah.

04:07Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hari itu,

04:08that's the day, macam, siapa tau,

04:09pergi bayar 4 juta tu? Adam?

04:12Adam Radlan.

04:12Adam Radlan, yeah.

04:134 juta, 4 billion.

04:144 juta, 4 juta.

04:15Oh, 4 billion.

04:164 billion.

04:174 billion, banyak sangat tu.

04:18But anyways, okay, so,

04:19some people, it's easy.

04:20Tapi, 4 juta,

04:22dia kena bayar.

04:22You kena bayar 10 juta.

04:24Okay, 10 juta.

04:25The demand is, like, 10 million.

04:27Yep, yes.

04:27Okay, what are the words you uttered that

04:30is costing you 10 million ringgit?

04:32Ooh, okay.

04:33So, my words now are 10 million of words,

04:35okay?

04:36Alright, okay.

04:36So, um,

04:37what happened was,

04:38um,

04:40from the light of demand tu,

04:42allegedly,

04:42alright,

04:43um,

04:44I was said,

04:45um,

04:46I was,

04:46I didakwa lah oleh,

04:48uh,

04:49Dr. Sri Zaid Hamidi.

04:49Um,

04:50also the second most powerful person

04:52in Malaysia.

04:53Alright, okay.

04:54Um,

04:55he said that,

04:56so,

04:56he said that I

04:57fitnah dia,

04:59ataupun I actually,

05:00um,

05:00defame him,

05:01calling him a peraswah.

05:03Okay.

05:03Number one.

05:04Number two is actually on the existence

05:05of the 47 cases.

05:07Uh,

05:0847,

05:08um,

05:09cases lah.

05:10Kalau I boleh baca sikit lah,

05:11kan,

05:12sebab you all dapat,

05:12dia eksklusif, right?

05:13Yes.

05:14Okay,

05:14so,

05:15kenyataan-kenyataan kamu

05:16di dalam video fitnah tersebut

05:18secara verbal team.

05:19Okay,

05:19they take it lah,

05:20verbal team is like,

05:21take it one by one, right?

05:22Dua tahun,

05:23kita tunggu Zaid Hamidi

05:24masih belum didakwa sekali lagi,

05:2747 kes rasuah itu

05:29tiada kompromi.

05:30So,

05:30I was talking about the 47 cases.

05:32Alright.

05:33Hari ini,

05:33kalau yang berdiri sebelah

05:34PMX adalah peraswah,

05:37okay,

05:37kita lawan.

05:38Okay,

05:39tak cukup dengan berdiri sebelah peraswah.

05:41So,

05:42he meant,

05:42uh,

05:42these two things,

05:43which is like,

05:44um,

05:45dua tahun,

05:46kita tunggu Zaid Hamidi

05:47masih belum didakwa sekali lagi

05:48dengan 47 kes rasuah.

05:50Dan hari ini,

05:51kalau yang berdiri sebelah PMX

05:52adalah peraswah.

05:53So,

05:53these two things lah.

05:54So,

05:55and then,

05:56um,

05:56he mentioned in the letter juga,

05:58okay,

05:59um,

06:01okay,

06:01anak guam kami juga menegaskan bahawa kenyataan-kenyataan fitnah

06:05dan atau video fitnah tersebut dalam maksud semula jadi dan biasa secara nyata membawa maksud dan atau difahami untuk membawa maksud antaranya,

06:12anak guam kami telah dipertuduhkan dengan 47 kes rasuah.

06:17All right?

06:18Kedua,

06:19uh,

06:19of course,

06:20anak guam kami dipanggil sebagai peraswah lah.

06:22So,

06:22which they deny that these two things lah peraswah dan juga pernah dipertuduhkan dengan 47 kes.

06:27Pernah dipertuduhkan?

06:29Exactly.

06:29So,

06:31that face,

06:32it's not just by me,

06:33obviously.

06:33So,

06:33when I was on the PC,

06:35the messages that I got,

06:36um,

06:37so,

06:37yeah.

06:38So,

06:38people were just like macam,

06:40what do you mean?

06:40Like,

06:41that 47 is just everywhere.

06:43Yeah.

06:43You were in court,

06:44right?

06:44Yeah.

06:45Okay,

06:45okay,

06:46okay,

06:47okay.

06:47Okay.

06:48Yeah,

06:48so,

06:48that was the,

06:49okay,

06:50you said all these things during the himpunan,

06:52uh,

06:53Turun Anwar.

06:53Turun Anwar,

06:54yeah,

06:54a few weeks back,

06:55right?

06:55End of July.

06:56End of July,

06:57yes,

06:57correct.

06:58So,

06:58you got the LOD,

06:59you're going through with the case,

07:00you're proceeding,

07:01you got what?

07:02So,

07:02currently,

07:03he just sent me,

07:05uh,

07:05dia baru hantar this LOD,

07:07uh,

07:08I'm waiting lah,

07:08my lawyer,

07:09uh,

07:10Tuan Daim and Gamani,

07:11uh,

07:12we have already replied,

07:13um,

07:13to the letter,

07:14they gave us about two weeks,

07:15and we replied accordingly.

07:16Of course,

07:17we deny all this,

07:18uh,

07:18we deny whatever he said,

07:20uh,

07:20whatever the lawyer said.

07:21Uh,

07:22kita tunggulah.

07:22Okay.

07:23Kita tunggu.

07:23So,

07:24yeah,

07:24yeah.

07:25Basically,

07:26um,

07:26masih belum disamman,

07:28but the letter of demand has,

07:29um,

07:30gone out,

07:30and we believe that,

07:32um,

07:32usually,

07:32kalau,

07:33as a lawyer lah,

07:34speaking as a lawyer kan,

07:35kalau if,

07:35let's say,

07:36somebody sent you a letter of demand,

07:37you know,

07:38of course,

07:38they demand something from you,

07:39they don't send letters,

07:40they don't,

07:40they don't send such notices

07:41for nothing.

07:43Yeah,

07:43right?

07:43So,

07:44of course,

07:45I,

07:45uh,

07:46when,

07:47I,

07:47when we got this,

07:48right,

07:49um,

07:49we know that this is,

07:52obviously,

07:52an intimidation.

07:53Okay.

07:54Right?

07:54Because,

07:55I was very loud

07:56um,

07:57the video went on my social media,

08:00obviously,

08:01and,

08:01um,

08:02it garnered about,

08:03like,

08:032 million views.

08:05Okay.

08:05um,

08:06and entahlah kan,

08:07mungkin kerana I was the only,

08:10um,

08:10tak adalah,

08:10only kan,

08:11maybe,

08:12I mean,

08:12the video went,

08:13went out,

08:14and then everybody,

08:15because everybody was focused on Anwan,

08:17and you were like,

08:17focused on him.

08:18I don't know,

08:19maybe that is one,

08:20that also,

08:21maybe the video just went,

08:22um,

08:23macam tak,

08:23tak tahulah kan,

08:24ramai yang tak post,

08:25dia,

08:26dia,

08:26dia speaking slots tu,

08:28on their social media,

08:29or whatever,

08:29it went,

08:29it didn't went viral,

08:30or whatever,

08:31right?

08:31So,

08:32I don't know.

08:33So,

08:34yeah,

08:34he has to say this.

08:36Okay,

08:36alright,

08:37um,

08:38okay,

08:38so the case involves,

08:40the case involves a lot of high profile figures.

08:43I mean,

08:44no,

08:44one person,

08:45who is the most,

08:45antara high profile.

08:46Do you see this as an attempt,

08:48silent critics on corruption?

08:50Definitely,

08:51definitely,

08:51because like,

08:52you know,

08:52um,

08:54I'm talking,

08:55you know,

08:56not just,

08:57as,

08:58a mood of sex gen,

09:00alright?

09:00I'm also,

09:02rakyat Malaysia,

09:03rakyat biasa,

09:04yang obviously,

09:05everyday akan membaca news,

09:07follow through,

09:08uh,

09:08cases like this,

09:10high profile cases,

09:11um,

09:11not just that,

09:12of course,

09:13this case is of public interest.

09:15We have to remember that,

09:16you know,

09:16he is,

09:17as I said earlier,

09:18he is the second most powerful person in Malaysia.

09:21He's a Timbalan Perdana Menteri,

09:23Deputy Prime Minister.

09:24So,

09:24whatever he does,

09:26whatever he do,

09:27in the past as well,

09:29must be questioned,

09:30because we're talking about accountability,

09:31we're talking about integrity,

09:33responsibility,

09:34as the second most powerful person in Malaysia.

09:37So,

09:38you know,

09:38at the end of the day,

09:39critics come every day,

09:41right?

09:42Um,

09:42people critics over politicians every single day.

09:45Uh,

09:45but at the end of the day,

09:46as a politician,

09:47um,

09:48ataupun sebagai seorang yang very powerful in Malaysia,

09:51you need to know that

09:52you hold a different kind of accountability.

09:55Okay.

09:55All right?

09:56And that's number one.

09:57Number two,

09:58the most important thing is that

09:59this government

10:00is

10:01lauding for,

10:03you know,

10:03like shouting for

10:04anti-corruption,

10:06lawan rasuah,

10:06dan sebagainya.

10:07But if you

10:08silent us with this,

10:10all right,

10:10if you're not answering us with this,

10:13if you're not accountable,

10:14you're not taking account,

10:15accounts of whatever

10:16that is raised by the people,

10:18then why do you shout

10:20lawan korupsi

10:21ataupun lawan

10:22rasuah.

10:23Okay.

10:23That's the whole point.

10:25Yeah.

10:25I mean,

10:26it's absolutely ironic lah kan?

10:28Yeah,

10:28definitely.

10:29Okay.

10:29And,

10:30okay,

10:30firstly,

10:31because you mentioned just now

10:32dalam the charge tu,

10:33it says that

10:34you,

10:35you accused him.

10:38He,

10:38he mentioned that

10:39I accused him,

10:41or I said that

10:42he is a parasuah.

10:43Yes.

10:44Yep.

10:44Yeah.

10:44Okay.

10:45So macam,

10:45but the problem is,

10:47many Malaysians are familiar with

10:48Yayasan Akal Budi

10:49and not only it was 47,

10:51it was 87 at first,

10:53right?

10:53Yep.

10:54Yep.

10:54And,

10:54okay,

10:55everybody was aware of the DNAA

10:57and semua.

10:59Why do you think,

11:01why,

11:04okay,

11:04as a lawyer,

11:05why do you think the Attentary General

11:06kasih DNAA?

11:08I mean,

11:08I'm not going to question,

11:09we don't want to question the court here,

11:10but,

11:11because you guys mentioned

11:13charge again,

11:15kan?

11:15Because the NAA tu,

11:16so macam mana,

11:17like,

11:18maybe you can give the technical terms

11:19to people to understand.

11:20Okay, so basically,

11:21the 47 cases,

11:22yes,

11:2287 cases at first

11:23and then 40 got dropped

11:25and then tinggal 47 cases.

11:27So 47 cases ni

11:28berkenaan dengan

11:29case-case berkaitan dengan

11:31Yayasan Akal Budi.

11:32Yeah.

11:32Alright,

11:33that foundation.

11:34I must reiterate

11:36and make people remember that

11:38what are the cases all about

11:40in Yayasan Akal Budi?

11:41It was him using,

11:43allegedly,

11:44okay,

11:44it was him using

11:45credit cards

11:47to pay,

11:48sorry,

11:48the money in the foundation

11:50to pay his own credit cards,

11:52to pay for luxurious

11:53expenditures

11:54and everything.

11:56So,

11:56of course,

11:57these are,

11:57ni bukan I cakap tau,

11:59these are in the court.

12:01Because when that happened,

12:02right,

12:02he got charged,

12:03right?

12:03When he got charged,

12:05dah ada prima facie case.

12:06Okay.

12:07Remember?

12:08So what is actually

12:08prima facie case?

12:10Prima facie ni,

12:10bila you dapat,

12:11okay,

12:12prima facie ni ditentukan

12:13oleh mahkamah.

12:14You know,

12:15the AGC ataupun pendakwa raya

12:17akan present their case.

12:19Right?

12:19Present their case.

12:20There was already 99 saksi,

12:23eh,

12:23witnesses was already called.

12:24Alright?

12:25So,

12:25and then court will decide

12:27whether there is a prima facie case

12:28or not.

12:29So on case 47 cases ni,

12:31semuanya ada prima facie.

12:33Okay.

12:33Alright?

12:34Semua.

12:35Okay,

12:3547 cases ni,

12:36okay,

12:36semua ada prima facie.

12:37Prima facie.

12:38Okay.

12:38So,

12:39prima facie ni,

12:39technically,

12:41technically,

12:41kalau senang kita nak faham adalah

12:43dah ada credible evidence.

12:45Okay.

12:45What is credible evidence?

12:47There is good evidence.

12:48Proven evidence

12:49in court.

12:50Okay?

12:51Dia bukan macam

12:52I cakap,

12:52esok cakap,

12:53misalnya dah daily cover,

12:54tak ada.

12:54Whatever that the news cover

12:56is what is presented in court.

12:58Okay.

12:58Okay?

12:59So selepas itu,

13:00bila seseorang,

13:01it's not just him,

13:02eh,

13:02sampai-sampai dapat prima facie case,

13:04you akan diberikan

13:05satu

13:06instruction

13:09by the court

13:10to call for defense.

13:12Okay?

13:12You,

13:13kalau contoh ni,

13:14you di,

13:15di,

13:15di charge,

13:16di dakwa di mahkamah,

13:17you already got your prima facie case,

13:19selepas itu,

13:19you akan diberikan

13:20peluang,

13:22opportunity to defend

13:23your case.

13:24So he was given.

13:25Yeah.

13:26He was given the opportunity

13:27to defend himself.

13:28Alright?

13:28For all these charges lah.

13:30Yeah.

13:30But,

13:31in September 2023,

13:33AGC filed,

13:34ataupun,

13:35filed an application lah,

13:37untuk,

13:38to,

13:39to,

13:39an application for DNAA.

13:41Yeah.

13:42So DNAA is actually,

13:43dismissal,

13:45not amounting to acquittal.

13:46Yeah.

13:46That means,

13:47dilepaskan tanpa dibebaskan.

13:49Okay?

13:50Nampak macam,

13:51apa tu?

13:51Right?

13:51Dilepaskan tanpa dibebaskan.

13:53So it means that,

13:54dilepaskan tanpa dibebaskan ni,

13:56maksudnya,

13:56you boleh,

13:57you lepas.

13:58Okay?

13:58But you're not bebas yet.

13:59That means you can be charged.

14:01Yeah.

14:01So,

14:02in AGC,

14:03because it became a hoo-ha after that,

14:05obviously,

14:05of course,

14:06you're a public interest matter,

14:08high profile,

14:09everybody,

14:09the whole country would,

14:11question you.

14:12Yeah.

14:12Alright?

14:13So AGC keluarkan beberapa sebab.

14:14Dan antara sebab-sebab ni juga dinyatakan di mahkamah,

14:17was actually,

14:18mentioned in court,

14:20where they needed to only,

14:22temporarily stop,

14:24ataupun halt the matter.

14:25Okay.

14:25Alright?

14:26Because there need to be further investigation.

14:29Okay.

14:29Alright?

14:30Ada,

14:30I don't know,

14:31that is the ayat lah.

14:33Okay?

14:33Ada investigation,

14:34sepatutnya berlaku lah.

14:36So,

14:36we're coming to September 2025,

14:38in a few days.

14:39Yeah.

14:41We're questioning,

14:42where is the investigation?

14:44Yeah.

14:44I mean,

14:44if there is a need

14:46for the investigation

14:47to continue,

14:48to happen,

14:49what's the status?

14:51Number one.

14:52Number two,

14:53kenapa dia Zahid perlu didakwa semula?

14:55Because,

14:56so,

14:56bila dia dilepaskan tanpa dibebaskan,

14:58he can be charged again.

15:01If,

15:02let's say,

15:02dah cukup dah,

15:05more evidence,

15:06dan sebagainya lah.

15:07But,

15:08I'm just wondering right now,

15:09right,

15:09even as an lawyer,

15:11his case is already

15:12at prima facie punya stage.

15:14Dah dapat dah prima facie punya stage tu.

15:16Alright?

15:17So,

15:17now he is supposed to

15:18be doing his defense already.

15:21But,

15:21he didn't.

15:22You know,

15:22you at your second top most,

15:25kiranya macam,

15:26kira,

15:26di,

15:27di,

15:27di kuasa tertinggi lah itu kan,

15:29second top most,

15:29right?

15:30You could have just defended yourself.

15:33Right?

15:34Isn't it easier to just like,

15:36let DNA in?

15:37No,

15:38no,

15:38okay,

15:38if,

15:38that's right,

15:39that's right.

15:39Now,

15:39it makes sense,

15:40doesn't it make more sense,

15:41if let's say,

15:42you said that,

15:44kalau you marah,

15:45you're not happy,

15:46that I call you perasuah,

15:47right?

15:47Yeah,

15:47okay.

15:48Why don't you need to defend yourself

15:49and prove yourself that you are not one?

15:50Would it,

15:51you,

15:51you already had your chance.

15:52Yeah.

15:53You could have just defended yourself,

15:55but,

15:56AG actually applied for,

15:57AGC actually applied for DNA.

16:00Okay?

16:00Yeah.

16:00So,

16:01you could have just defended yourself.

16:03Okay,

16:03tetapi katanya ada.

16:04So,

16:04we want to know,

16:05like,

16:05macam,

16:06where is the,

16:07the case going on?

16:10Okay.

16:10Because we're not talking about

16:111-2 ringgit,

16:12what to,

16:13curi duet milo,

16:14ke apa tidak,

16:15yeah?

16:15We're talking about public's fund.

16:17Yeah.

16:17You know,

16:18it's a public's fund.

16:19We're talking about,

16:19like,

16:20tax payers money.

16:21Yes.

16:21You know,

16:22nobody can just set up.

16:23That's the thing.

16:24I think,

16:24like,

16:24some people think,

16:25like,

16:26they don't understand

16:27it's public funds,

16:28or maybe they don't understand

16:29it's tax payers money

16:29because it's a yayasan

16:31akal mudi,

16:33like,

16:33yayasan.

16:33So,

16:34maybe,

16:34could you break it down?

16:35Like,

16:36why,

16:36how is it related to

16:37public's funds?

16:38Because I think people are thinking

16:39it's not their money.

16:41It's a yayasan money.

16:44Obviously,

16:45obviously,

16:46when he was in that position,

16:48okay,

16:48duit-duit yang dikunakan,

16:49dimasukkan ke dalam yayasan itu

16:50is from the government's money

16:52ataupun...

16:53The ministry's money?

16:53Yes, exactly.

16:54Okay.

16:55Ada dia punya link from it.

16:57But that's the most important thing

16:58because people think that,

17:00oh,

17:00takpelah,

17:00court dah decide dah,

17:01his DNA.

17:02So,

17:02right now,

17:03the most important thing

17:03is to bring people's attention

17:05or to make them understand

17:06that we're not questioning court.

17:08Okay.

17:09We're questioning AGC.

17:10We're urging AGC.

17:12What's your investigation

17:13all about right now

17:14since September 2023

17:15where you said that,

17:17oh,

17:17okay,

17:18we are continuing

17:19the investigation

17:20so where is it?

17:22Right?

17:23Will he be the dakwa semulu

17:24because the case is already

17:25prima facie.

17:26Dah lepas dah prima facie.

17:27So,

17:27that's the most important thing,

17:29you know,

17:29because at the end of the day,

17:30as I said earlier,

17:31I think what Muda

17:32is consistent all about

17:34is the fact that

17:36we know that

17:37this involves

17:39very important people.

17:40Yeah.

17:40Alright,

17:40very important people.

17:41We're talking about

17:42like people's funds.

17:44We're talking about

17:45like mismanagement of funds

17:46for the people.

17:48Right?

17:49Because at the end of the day,

17:50it was already proven

17:51in court,

17:52duit-duit ini

17:53digunakan untuk apa.

17:54Yeah.

17:54Alright?

17:55So,

17:55I think that is what

17:57Muda is consistent

17:57from day one.

18:00Okay?

18:00In fact,

18:02before even

18:03Muda

18:04menarik diri.

18:06Okay.

18:07So,

18:07the case happened

18:08on the 4th September

18:102023,

18:11we took

18:12from the unity government

18:16Kerajaan Perpaduan

18:17Kerajaan Perpaduan

18:17pada 10 September 2023.

18:20So,

18:20I remember

18:20we had,

18:21of course,

18:22we had a

18:22very long conversation

18:25before we decide

18:26such decision.

18:27So,

18:28of course,

18:28that was our red line.

18:29Yeah.

18:30You see?

18:30Like,

18:31how long more

18:31are we

18:32talking about

18:33like rasuah

18:34tetapi at the end of the day

18:35we had to let go

18:36this one?

18:36Does that work that way?

18:39Okay.

18:39So,

18:40I think the most important

18:40thing right now is

18:41we want accountability.

18:43Yeah.

18:43You know,

18:44restore back the integrity

18:45of all these agencies.

18:47Okay.

18:47And we're not talking

18:47about any kind of agencies.

18:49We're talking about

18:50AGC.

18:51We're talking about

18:51Pendakwa Raya.

18:52Yes.

18:53Alright?

18:53Who holds such power.

18:55Very high power.

18:58Right?

18:58So,

18:59at the end of the day

19:00that's the most important

19:01thing and why we are...

19:02Since we're talking about

19:02the highest power here kan?

19:04Both AGC

19:05and the person

19:05end question.

19:07Do you believe

19:08this case reflects

19:09a bigger problem

19:10with our selective...

19:13Alleged selective prosecution

19:15in our justice system?

19:17I think yes.

19:18I think you know what...

19:20Okay,

19:20so when things...

19:21When after our PC kan,

19:22Hari 2,

19:23things went viral again

19:25and then people keep

19:26giving us comments

19:27and whatnot.

19:28I thought,

19:29I really,

19:30really thought,

19:31genuinely thought

19:32that...

19:33Oh,

19:34maybe people forget about it,

19:35number one.

19:35People just say,

19:36oh,

19:36Muda,

19:37come on,

19:37let's just move on

19:38to another topic.

19:38I thought,

19:39genuinely thought that.

19:40But,

19:41you see,

19:41all the comments

19:42were like,

19:42people say,

19:43oh,

19:43finally,

19:44this case is coming up again.

19:45Finally,

19:46somebody will be talking

19:47about this.

19:47Go, go.

19:48You know,

19:49we've been getting

19:49such responses.

19:51Which is so important

19:52to us.

19:53You know,

19:53you see,

19:54that means

19:54we're doing the right thing.

19:56You see?

19:56Like,

19:56kita bukan dapat people

19:57say,

19:58dah lah,

19:58move on lah,

19:58let's go to that.

19:59No,

20:00we're getting people

20:00who are actually

20:01supporting us,

20:01telling us that this

20:02is what they want to hear.

20:04This is to be fought lah.

20:05Exactly.

20:06Okay.

20:06So,

20:07I think that's

20:08very,

20:08very important

20:08because sekarang ni,

20:10you know,

20:11when the people elect

20:12those in power

20:14right now,

20:14right,

20:14they want to see

20:16not just

20:17change of government.

20:19Yeah.

20:19They want to see reforms

20:20that you shout

20:21all this well.

20:23Alright?

20:23They want to see

20:24proper change

20:25that they want,

20:26they really want to witness.

20:28So,

20:28it's the most important thing

20:29sekali.

20:30Yeah.

20:30Which,

20:30I do not want

20:31the government to forget.

20:32Yeah.

20:33Right?

20:33So,

20:34everyone don't want

20:35to forget that,

20:35right?

20:35Exactly.

20:37Yeah.

20:37Okay.

20:38So,

20:38I think that's

20:39the most important thing

20:40where we are right now.

20:41You know,

20:42we're not just like,

20:43you know,

20:43shouting over it,

20:44like talking about it,

20:45you know.

20:46We're questioning

20:47the most important agency.

20:50Okay?

20:51We're also talking about

20:52like a very,

20:53very important figure.

20:55As I said,

20:55second top most

20:56important person

20:58in Malaysia.

20:59Yeah.

20:59Right?

21:00So,

21:00we're talking about that.

21:01Yeah.

21:01We're not

21:02only talking about it

21:04and then,

21:04you know,

21:05and then get off it.

21:06Yeah.

21:07Exactly.

21:08So,

21:09we're going to just go a bit more

21:10on politics.

21:11Okay.

21:11Some critics say

21:12younger politicians

21:13like yourself

21:14should tone down

21:15when talking about

21:17more senior leaders,

21:19more bigger leaders,

21:21you know.

21:22What's your response to that?

21:23This is actually

21:26an attempt

21:27to silence me.

21:28Okay.

21:29And muda

21:30as a whole.

21:31Alright?

21:32You know,

21:33like throughout

21:33my political career,

21:35it's always said that,

21:37you know,

21:38orang muda

21:38yang dalam politik ni

21:39kena sabar.

21:41Orang muda

21:41dalam politik ni

21:42jangan terlampau

21:43gopoh.

21:44Okay.

21:45Okay?

21:45It's always been said

21:46that way.

21:47Jangan melawan

21:48orang-orang

21:49yang dah banyak

21:50pengalaman

21:50dan makan garam

21:52whatever,

21:53right?

21:53I eat garam also.

21:54Yeah.

21:55Exactly.

21:56But I wanted to say this.

21:57This country is ours.

21:59Alright?

22:01We are accountable

22:02not just to ourselves.

22:04When I step into

22:06politics,

22:07when I step into

22:08this world

22:08full of

22:09these people,

22:10I know

22:11this is actually

22:12the challenge.

22:13Ini adalah

22:14risiko.

22:15The risk that

22:16I have to take.

22:17Tipu eh,

22:18if I don't feel like

22:19what am I expecting?

22:21You know,

22:21I'm not going against

22:22somebody

22:23along the lane

22:25or whatever.

22:25You know,

22:26somebody who just

22:26stand behind

22:27that particular road

22:28or whatever.

22:29No.

22:29I'm going against

22:30somebody who is

22:31so big in Malaysia

22:32who have the power

22:33to just do anything

22:35obviously, right?

22:37Am I not scared?

22:38Yeah.

22:38Of course.

22:39I mean,

22:39let's be very,

22:40very true to ourselves.

22:42Yes.

22:42But at the end

22:43of the day,

22:43right,

22:44I want to be

22:46responsible.

22:47I don't want to

22:48regret

22:48not saying

22:49the truth

22:50just because

22:51I'm intimidated

22:53this way.

22:53Yeah.

22:54Alright?

22:55I,

22:56if this is the

22:57reason that I

22:58have to take,

22:59I would.

22:59Okay.

23:00Because at the end

23:00of the day,

23:02this is our

23:02country together.

23:03And if I don't

23:05do this,

23:07I will,

23:08so many others

23:09will not be able

23:10to do this.

23:11I must be the voice.

23:13We must be the voice.

23:14Okay.

23:15I'm going to just

23:16jump skit.

23:16I don't want to be

23:17sexist or

23:18stereotypical.

23:19But you know,

23:19when there's this,

23:21always there's this,

23:23you know,

23:23when you're a woman,

23:24regardless whatever

23:26industry you're in,

23:28there's always like

23:29these insecure

23:31humans.

23:32Because sometimes

23:33it's a woman

23:33themselves saying it.

23:35Eh,

23:35he's like,

23:35why is he so

23:36so angry?

23:37He's going to

23:38go home,

23:38work at the

23:39kitchen.

23:40You get that.

23:42You get that.

23:43Like,

23:43eh,

23:44um,

23:46his wife doesn't

23:46want to be

23:47angry?

23:47His wife is like this.

23:48You know,

23:49all those things.

23:50And,

23:50look at me,

23:51I'm here,

23:52not my husband.

23:53If I'm here,

23:54my husband

23:55supports me,

23:55most likely,

23:56right?

23:56Yeah,

23:57yes,

23:57yes.

23:58Kenapa?

23:59Kenapa

23:59kena macam itu,

24:00kan?

24:00But it's unavoidable

24:01because we're

24:01women,

24:02right?

24:02Unless maybe

24:03you're not married.

24:04And then when you're

24:04not married,

24:05people are like,

24:05I think there's no

24:06other people

24:06who want to deal

24:06with you.

24:06Oh,

24:07yeah,

24:07yes,

24:08yes,

24:08yes.

24:09Okay,

24:09so,

24:11where do you stand?

24:12Like,

24:12I don't want to go

24:12into like your

24:13personal life,

24:14but what I'm saying

24:14here is like,

24:15do you get that?

24:16You get that,

24:17we see it on the

24:17internet,

24:18but how do you

24:18feel when you

24:19get that?

24:20I get that.

24:20I think I'm so

24:21used to getting

24:22that that I thought

24:23that,

24:23you know,

24:23I'm moving to

24:24bigger things,

24:25alright?

24:26And I used to feel

24:27like macam,

24:27kenapa orang

24:28comment macam ni,

24:28you know,

24:29up until today pun,

24:30even my videos,

24:31right,

24:31like people just

24:32comment like,

24:33dah masak dah hari ni kak?

24:34What?

24:35Dah masak dah hari ni kak?

24:37Suami buat apa tu

24:37dekat rumah?

24:38Suami tak tengok ke

24:39video ni?

24:40All those kind of

24:41comments,

24:42you know,

24:42and number one,

24:45so used to it

24:45until my husband

24:46buatkan gelak,

24:46obviously,

24:47alright,

24:47okay,

24:48but I think,

24:49I think that is what

24:50I want to go against.

24:52Okay.

24:52You know,

24:52you see,

24:53like men don't get that,

24:54you know,

24:55men don't get such

24:56intimidation like this.

24:57Yes,

24:57they do,

24:58muswa buli,

24:59tapi macam,

24:59they orang kan macam,

25:00What as bad as the

25:01sexism involved,

25:02you know,

25:02like the gender

25:03stereotype involved.

25:04So,

25:05I think at the end

25:06of the day,

25:06right,

25:07orang selalu tanya saya,

25:08like macam,

25:08Aini,

25:08you really want to do this?

25:10Okay.

25:10You are really,

25:11when I saw even like,

25:12macam the poster,

25:13right,

25:13Aini against Zain,

25:14obviously,

25:14he has not go

25:16summon saya lagi,

25:17tetapi,

25:18you know,

25:18like when people saw it,

25:19like,

25:19are you really sure?

25:21Why not you just

25:22minta maaf?

25:23I said,

25:23for what?

25:24Oh my god.

25:25For what?

25:26Seriously.

25:27You know,

25:28there was this,

25:29somebody who actually

25:30asked me,

25:31like,

25:31why do you do this?

25:32Like,

25:33why do you have to

25:33say such things?

25:34You could have just

25:35said nice things.

25:37You could have just

25:37say like,

25:38you know,

25:39I mean,

25:39tone down lah,

25:41macam,

25:41tak payah lah cakap,

25:41macam,

25:42oh,

25:42panggil pola swan,

25:43whatnot,

25:43right?

25:43Okay.

25:44But at the end of the day,

25:45right,

25:45as I said,

25:46right,

25:46if no one else

25:48wants to do it,

25:49I will do it.

25:50Yeah.

25:51Why?

25:52Because at the end of the day,

25:54this is our country,

25:55together.

25:56You know,

25:57we,

25:58kita ada tanggungjawab,

26:00accountability,

26:01of this country,

26:02together.

26:03Okay.

26:04Alright.

26:04At the end of the day,

26:05kalau tak ada siapa yang berani,

26:07if this is the risk

26:08that I have to take,

26:09if this is the road,

26:12jalan yang I kena tempoh,

26:14to make sure I say things right,

26:17or to pave more big voices

26:20after this,

26:21let me be it.

26:22Okay.

26:23Yeah,

26:23let me be it.

26:24Nice.

26:24I love it.

26:25I love it.

26:26I'm going to do it.

26:27It's not even a gender thing,

26:28you know.

26:28It's just like,

26:29voicing the right things

26:30for the right people,

26:32right?

26:32You know,

26:32like,

26:33I have to say this,

26:34today dapatlah banyak sikit

26:35NC9.

26:35You know,

26:36when I told my mum about,

26:39baru kan LOD eh,

26:40and she knows I'm a lawyer,

26:41I've been like so loud

26:43all these years,

26:44and a week after that,

26:46she told me like,

26:46macam,

26:47you know what,

26:47actually,

26:48I'm going to tell you

26:48that I couldn't sleep

26:50like for three days,

26:52three nights macam itu.

26:53So,

26:53I'm like,

26:53Ma,

26:54this is like a LOD,

26:56Ma.

26:56Please lah,

26:57macam tu kan,

26:57and she's like,

26:58this is mums.

26:59And it got,

27:00it struck me,

27:01you know,

27:01like,

27:01I'm a mother,

27:02I'm a mother to three kids,

27:03you know,

27:04I feel how my mum feels.

27:06Kalau I pun ada anak,

27:08macam tu pun,

27:08I'm more risau,

27:08anak pun balik ke tak.

27:09Because like,

27:10or maybe like my mum

27:11and my parents especially,

27:12they know like,

27:13macam memang daripada

27:13zaman-zaman I dulu pun,

27:15it has always been like,

27:16I yang balik lambat lah,

27:17pergi demo ni lah,

27:18you know,

27:18this kind of things.

27:20But today,

27:20like,

27:21you're,

27:22you're against

27:23a deputy prime minister,

27:25you know,

27:25like,

27:25are you really sure?

27:27But I told my mum,

27:28like,

27:29I don't want to tell you,

27:31like,

27:31nice things.

27:32I'm just going to tell you,

27:33doa je,

27:35baik-baik,

27:35I'm still going to do this.

27:37I'm still going to do this.

27:38I'm still going to say

27:39the right things.

27:40I'm still going to,

27:42I'm just going to do it.

27:43Because like,

27:43at the end of the day,

27:44right,

27:44betapa ramainya orang,

27:45I can feel like,

27:46oh,

27:46okay,

27:47if I bow down to whatever

27:49they demand,

27:50if I bow down to such

27:51intimidation,

27:52tomorrow,

27:53takde orang nak berani

27:53dia nak cakap apa-apa.

27:54because you know,

27:55you know,

27:56in fact,

27:56right,

27:56after this pun,

27:57orang akan cakap macam,

27:58oh,

27:58cakap sikit,

27:58karang ti kena saman.

27:59You know,

28:00I don't like it.

28:00As a lawyer myself,

28:02right,

28:02I don't like it.

28:03I don't like people

28:04are not able to say things out

28:06just because they're so scared

28:07untuk kena saman.

28:09Yeah.

28:10When these are your rights.

28:11Yes.

28:11Yeah.

28:12Okay,

28:13I nak tanya,

28:13how does your parents feel about,

28:15you just,

28:16I just want to know,

28:17you don't berdemo,

28:19sebelum kahwin also,

28:20you dah berdemo,

28:20obviously I do not know

28:29per se how they feel

28:30because like,

28:31okay,

28:31maybe their reaction towards you

28:33like what?

28:33My mom especially,

28:34my mom.

28:35My mom would feel,

28:38dia takut lah,

28:39macam tu lah kan.

28:40But I always tell her that,

28:43I'm this,

28:44not yesterday,

28:45or a day before,

28:46or last year,

28:47or whatever.

28:48You know me from,

28:49you raised me.

28:50You raised me to be this.

28:52And you know,

28:53my mom always say this

28:54to my macam orang kan,

28:55oh,

28:56among all siblings,

28:57right,

28:57memang she will be the one

28:59you are kind of,

28:59she knows that.

29:01So practically,

29:02I'm not just gonna defend

29:04my siblings

29:05whenever I'm in such situation,

29:07I'm gonna defend Malaysia.

29:08Yeah.

29:09I'm gonna let Malaysians know

29:11that,

29:11you know,

29:11you guys have the right

29:13to voice it out.

29:14Yeah.

29:14You know,

29:15especially to younger girls.

29:17Like if it's wrong,

29:18you need to voice it out.

29:20You need to see things out.

29:22Yeah.

29:22What's your message

29:23to mothers out there

29:24when they see their daughters,

29:26I mean,

29:26even sons,

29:27in general,

29:28their kids,

29:30wanting to have a voice

29:31in the whole country.

29:32Because people are like,

29:33eh,

29:33takut lah,

29:34takut lah,

29:34politicians don't,

29:36how you're gonna survive

29:37as a politician

29:37is not that,

29:39it's not a conducive situation

29:40or goals in life,

29:42you know,

29:42unless you,

29:43maybe,

29:44whatever it means to be,

29:45I don't know,

29:45what do you think?

29:46I think to a lot more

29:50young people out there,

29:51right,

29:52who wish,

29:53you know,

29:54that they can say more things,

29:55they can do more things,

29:57right,

29:57I think just do it.

29:58As long as

30:00the law says

30:01it's not wrong,

30:03alright,

30:04say,

30:04for you to say the truth,

30:06for you to say things out loud,

30:09do it.

30:10Do it.

30:10Because at the end of the day,

30:12right,

30:12this country

30:13is for us to shape it together,

30:15alright,

30:16negara ni

30:17adalah negara kita bersama,

30:19nobody is above the law,

30:22alright,

30:22satu,

30:23kedua adalah

30:24no one

30:25should restrict you

30:27in this country

30:29as long as

30:29you follow the law,

30:30alright,

30:31so for me,

30:32benda paling penting sekali,

30:34the most important thing

30:35is to make sure that,

30:37you know,

30:37you have your platform,

30:39say it.

30:40Okay.

30:40Yeah.

30:41Don't be scared.

30:41Don't be scared, guys.

30:43Don't be scared.

30:45Okay,

30:45you have to be brave

30:47to do it.

30:48So,

30:48because a lot of people

30:49tanya juga kan,

30:51macam,

30:51tak takut ke?

30:52Like,

30:53at the end of the day,

30:53right,

30:54I think,

30:54I think what matters is

30:58you must know your facts.

31:00Yeah.

31:00Alright,

31:01sebelum you berbicara itu,

31:02you must always know your facts.

31:05Itu penting.

31:06But at the end of the day,

31:08what I believe in myself

31:10is that

31:11this is

31:13the road

31:14that many people

31:15don't take,

31:16right?

31:17But I'm taking it.

31:18Okay.

31:20I just want to do a quick one.

31:22Congratulations on becoming

31:23the new psych gen of muda.

31:25Thank you so much.

31:26Before we end

31:27with the issue

31:28at hand,

31:29I just want to get

31:30your take

31:31on muda right now

31:33and where you guys

31:33headed,

31:34also headed towards

31:36the general election.

31:38I mean,

31:38it's coming in the next

31:39two years or so

31:40to give and take.

31:41Okay.

31:42And we're going to go

31:42through Sabah,

31:43we're going to go to

31:44Melaka,

31:44Johor,

31:45state elections,

31:46Sarawak.

31:47So,

31:47macam mana untuk you?

31:48Okay.

31:49I think muda has been

31:51very consistent.

31:52Okay.

31:54I think the most

31:54important thing for muda

31:55is that we prep

31:57or kita ready,

31:58we have to ready

31:58ourselves for the

32:00next general election.

32:02Okay.

32:02That's the most

32:02important thing.

32:04And muda has always

32:05been associated to just

32:06muda equals to

32:07Saeed Sadik,

32:07Saeed equals to muda.

32:09But today,

32:10I think it's more

32:11than that.

32:11You have seen a lot

32:13more leaders coming up

32:14like Wabi Amir Aisha,

32:16me, myself,

32:18we have like other

32:18prominent leaders,

32:20you know,

32:21that is voicing out

32:22things.

32:23All right.

32:23Being our forefront.

32:25Yeah.

32:25All right.

32:25Yeah, Saeed Sadik,

32:26Saeed Sadik.

32:26You know,

32:27he's been very,

32:27very fantastic in

32:29parliament.

32:30But for muda,

32:31our task is very,

32:32very important is

32:33actually to be a

32:33platform for more

32:34young people,

32:36for the young people

32:37to be in muda,

32:39to be part of muda,

32:40to make change.

32:41All right.

32:41So we are constantly

32:43seeking or actually

32:45developing new leaders

32:47to ensure that,

32:48you know,

32:48kita ada kesinambungan

32:50of leadership.

32:52Yeah.

32:53And the roadmap

32:53towards the elections?

32:55And obviously for muda,

32:57we are going to go

32:58through our party election

32:59very soon.

33:00All right.

33:00There's some

33:01roadmap on that.

33:04And number two,

33:04of course,

33:05if like say general election

33:06is happening between

33:07like less than two years,

33:08for example,

33:08we also have,

33:09we are preparing our

33:11leaders to ensure

33:13that we can place in

33:14our leaders for the

33:15next general election.

33:17Yes.

33:17You guys definitely

33:18have plans.

33:19Yes, definitely.

33:19Contest lah kan?

33:20Like what you guys did

33:21for state elections

33:22banyak juga kan?

33:23Yes, yes.

33:23Betul, betul.

33:24We are ready for that.

33:25Okay, I'm so glad to

33:26hear that for you guys.

33:27Hopefully we can learn

33:28more about muda nanti

33:29in the upcoming

33:30years, months,

33:32in the upcoming months.

33:33So before we end,

33:34I just want to get

33:35your take.

33:35So imagine if

33:37Datuk Sri Zahid Hamidi

33:38is watching,

33:39the government

33:40is watching,

33:41what's your message

33:42to them?

33:44I'm ready.

33:45Saya bersedia.

33:46Kalau betul,

33:47saya disamun.

33:48I'm ready if you

33:49want to drag me

33:49to court.

33:50I'm ready to

33:51see you on stand

33:52as well.

33:53All right,

33:53number one.

33:53Number two,

33:55I pernah cabar beliau

33:57untuk berdebat

33:58berkenaan dengan

33:59isu ini.

34:00I'm pretty sure

34:01Sina would want

34:02to host this.

34:04We do a lot of

34:04debates,

34:05remember?

34:06Banyak,

34:06okay.

34:07I'm ready to

34:07debate you.

34:08Wow.

34:08You.

34:09I'm ready to

34:10debate Zahid Hamidi.

34:12Okay,

34:12that's the way.

34:13That's the way.

34:14Okay,

34:14thank you so much

34:15Aini.

34:15Thank you so much

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