00:00You know, I've, I've been told something and like had a kind of confirmed an opinion I've had of him.
00:05And I asked him the question about his, his path to the NFL.
00:09You know, he's, he's not there to make friends.
00:11And the analogy that I would use is that if we had a, if the three of us had a
00:16law firm of, you know,
00:19Kanellis, Rahimi, and Parkins, and it would just roll off the tongue.
00:22And we were all partners and founders at the law firm.
00:25And then we were adding two new junior partners and it was Kanellis.
00:32You know, there was, you know, it was Billy Kanellis and Spencer Jones.
00:36I think it would be totally reasonable for Spencer Jones to think that he had earned it more than Billy
00:41Kanellis.
00:42Right. Because he's not, it's not, there's no nepotism.
00:45It's not, not who you know, but he earned it that way.
00:47And like Ben Johnson's member, he talks about an offensive mentor being Adam Gase.
00:52Like we saw what Adam Gase was, right?
00:55So like, this is not exactly Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan, which is a third of the NFL right now,
01:01guys that are either them or coached for them.
01:03So I kind of look at Ben Johnson as kind of like the self-made billionaire.
01:07Like, yeah, you, you inherit a billion dollars.
01:10It's cool.
01:10You're a billionaire.
01:11You're a self-made billionaire.
01:13You're like one of the all-time success stories.
01:15So that, that's always kind of been my read on, on Ben Johnson.
01:19And so I kind of like to tap into that whenever I get a chance to talk to him.
01:22Yeah, that was great.
01:23He is self-made.
01:24I want to go look back to Sunday before.
