00:03welcome back to Carson Anderson here at 97.1 taking your calls in Texas 248-539-9797 talking
00:09about the Lions and the NFL trade deadline day what what happened and what didn't happen I think
00:14more importantly and where you think this team is right now we talked yesterday before everything
00:20got going about the division itself and Chicago had made their move you know the Packers are
00:25getting Parsons back what were the Vikings going to do what were the Lions going to do well
00:30Vikings did the obvious they needed to get a new quarterback and they went out and got Kirk
00:34Cousins which was the smart one because that's who they had success with four years ago and somebody
00:40knows how to throw to Justin Jefferson which is clearly what they need because Kyler Murray wasn't
00:46doing it Carson Wentz couldn't throw a football and they needed to figure it out well they did
00:51is it going to work out we'll see I mean he's four years older than he was last time he
00:57was in
00:58Minnesota when he tore his Achilles but he started off this season playing pretty well for the Raiders
01:05so there's no reason to think that it won't work out in Minnesota now are they going to go and
01:10win
01:10the rest of their games probably not but at least it's not a ship that's taken on water anymore
01:16they've improved and wasting an elite defense yeah they've improved and what the Lions do they added
01:21the safety on the margins which is who may or may not play may or may not play may or
01:27may not play
01:27significant minutes minutes a depth piece right if somebody else goes down if Kirby Joseph doesn't
01:34come back you have another guy who can step in there that's technically above a practice squad player
01:39but these other teams made significant gains Green Bay is getting Micah Parsons back and just think about
01:47the message you're sending which is either we're good or are we good enough to be making these kinds
01:54of moves let's go back to the phones and we've got Jeff next up here 97.1 hey Jeff hey
02:03Gator Jim um
02:04years ago I stumbled on 97.1 and I heard Gator say something that resonated with me and it was
02:12quote
02:13unquote the Detroit Lions every time you make an emotional investment they break your heart
02:20and I've been listening to the show ever since and today resonates in the same way so I need to
02:27I was wondering if Kang could unpack for us my frustration comes from looking at LA and Detroit
02:34their general manager and ours they gave up what two first round picks and their quarterback
02:42went to the Super Bowl and rebuilt right away got rid of Cooper Cup it's like they weren't
02:50working on a 10-year plan they just they saw what a Super Bowl victory did for them and they
02:56wanted
02:57another one well they didn't rebuild I mean when they got Matthew Stafford they got the piece they
03:01thought was the one that was going to take them over the top they didn't believe in Jared Goff anymore
03:05it was clearly used as a scapegoat by their their coach who ran the bus right over them and they
03:11added Stafford and they won and to their credit they won the Super Bowl you can't take that away
03:16I get it but the aggressiveness in their uh subsequent trading and everything was so impressive because it
03:24brought them right back on top and I'm I'm curious about this is that is it allowed to trade for
03:30GMs I
03:31mean is that even a thing I mean you wait for GMs to have contracts expired and then that happens
03:37but I mean to your point uh Jeff and thanks for the call got a brother or something I mean
03:41well great
03:42if he's got a brother um to to uh to the point is that Los Angeles is a franchise with
03:49less need at
03:50the helm and they've gone for it they've done it multiple times where they say f them picks that's
03:55where it came from right f them picks we're going to go out to get the corner and uh Jalen
04:00Ramsey
04:00going to go out and get Matthew Stafford we don't care won a Super Bowl awesome it worked for him
04:05we're going to find a way to get Miles Garrett here okay hey can we coax a a hall of
04:10famer out
04:11of retirement to play on the defensive line like Aaron Donald oh you can do we can do that okay
04:14great but what makes them great at what they do is they take the chances all while still believing
04:20in what they do with the draft and that's what they've done and then they do well they go out
04:26and
04:27find gems all throughout the draft that that are come in critical places you find Puka Nakua
04:33and he becomes one of the best receivers in football you know you go out and you draft the
04:38Jared verse or whatever and and then you're able to trade him to get the not afraid to give up
04:42the
04:43good for the great that's an ultimate case of it right there you traded Jared verse to get
04:48Miles Garrett and and the fans that are defending the Lions and Brad Holmes are essentially accusing you
04:54and me of being reckless there's a difference between being aggressive and reckless your results
05:00do not reveal that you were even aggressive there's a reason the saying is fortune favors the bold
05:07are you aggressive you're not aggressive not no one's asking you to be reckless no and to Holmes's
05:13credit they did make one extraordinarily bold move and it was right on the heels of signing his papers
05:20with with the Lions accepting the GM job and they did trade Stafford now Stafford had asked them
05:26quietly behind closed doors which is the way to do it Dylan Larkin uh that he wanted out and they
05:33found a partner with Los Angeles that gave him not only the two first round picks but also gave him
05:37Jared Goff they needed to do that to make money working all this and fair it worked out for the
05:43Lions it
05:43worked out for the Rams even better because the Rams won the Super Bowl but it rebuilt the Detroit Lions
05:49and I think this is where fans like that's great did that that's awesome got these first round picks
05:53and you use those wisely right you traded back in the in the uh and still took Jameer Gibbs and
05:59you
06:00got Jack Campbell and you got Brian Branch and you got Sam Laporte all in that same draft my god
06:04that
06:04was great you you had picks land right in your lap that made sense like Aiden Hutchinson and Panay Sewell
06:09and thank god the Atlanta Falcons passed on Panay Sewell so you could take them it worked out that was
06:15great and then there have been some missteps but what makes the Rams that that organization that
06:21everyone's envious of is that they don't lament giving up the draft picks because they'll find
06:28somebody in the draft no matter where it is and the Lions fans just want to experience that once
06:33heck it's not just Lions fans it's Detroit wide because we've heard this for years that the Tigers
06:39don't make the big splash move at the trade deadline we talked about it yesterday it feels like the last
06:43big move that the Tigers made was you know when it comes to a trade like Prince Fielder um to
06:49to
06:49acquire a player to put him over the top and the Tigers used to do it they acquired David Price
06:53right
06:54and and other players that would go and get uh but the Red Wings haven't done that in forever and
06:59now the Red Wings have two giant pieces to trade to try to improve this team and they still haven't
07:04done it Trajan Langdon operates at the margins uh a little bit but I give Trajan Langdon credit for
07:08what he did this offseason I don't think John Collins and Isaiah Joe are operating through the margins
07:13I don't think that at all um I also don't think it's the biggest move you could have made when
07:18you see other players that that were moved but at least they were in reportedly in on some of those
07:23other players but I think what they did is a little bit more than than the margins what the Lions
07:27have
07:28done is kind of the margins and it gives the impression that being good just being good is good
07:33enough and that's the worst thing you can tell your customer base well the Rams what the Rams do too
07:37though yes they hit on their mid-round picks and some big ones of course that you mentioned but also
07:42they quote-unquote overpaid they get aggressive for their trades I mean Von Miller Jalen Ramsey
07:47Trent McDuffie you know these are guys that helped them win and get to Super Bowls Miles Garrett was not
07:51available until they pressed the Browns and they made them available that's I just don't think it's in
07:57Brad Holmes DNA to do something like that and it's not even just operating the margins I think that to
08:02overpay or whatever he won't go there like I'll just throw Zion McCollum out there because that's the guy I
08:07really wanted do you would you have given up two second round picks for Zion McCollum I'd have given
08:12up a first okay you would give him out first right right sounds kind of crazy at first but when
08:16you
08:16think about it what are you going to do next year with your first round pick possibly draft a
08:20cornerback you have Zion McCollum who you know is good or you draft Terry and Arnold you know what I
08:25mean like Simon comes under under contract for two more years why not it sounds like an overpay but is
08:31it in the end when it helps you you know totally understand yeah I agree with you it's that's the
08:35kind of
08:36thing you have to think about when you're going into it it's okay if the guy I'm gonna trade for
08:42he's a really good player and I know he's a really good player that should trump well I don't know
08:47if
08:47I'm picking at 27 in the draft I might be able to get this corner out of Mississippi how long
08:51would
08:52it take for the cornerback at 27 to be better than Zion McCollum on average I mean typically it would
08:58take a couple years but we've seen some moves where players and we all know there are examples of
09:03players that were picked in the 20s that step right in and they look great and Philadelphia has
09:07done it and other teams have done it and the Lions didn't odds of that though right yeah they're not
09:12they're not strong that's why I agree I would have can you're asking what I could have given up to
09:16two second round picks and Mark said I would have given up one first I think it'd probably be more
09:21wise to give it the one first than the two seconds I don't have I don't know if I would
09:25have had a
09:26problem with that is it an overpay it might be at the time but you look back at it you
09:30can use logic and
09:31say it's not an overpay because this guy's really good Paul's on a cell Paul welcome 97 one
09:37hey guys thanks for taking the call um you know listen I I made a former you know up until
09:45now
09:45Brad bot so I'm a huge fan of the guy right so I have respect for everything he's done but
09:51some of
09:51these calls I mean are wild and he's created he's like almost the ultimate um polarizing figure right
09:59now in Detroit because you've got some people that will defend him to the death and you have others
10:05that won't I I am of the point where if you weren't going to improve this team now and didn't
10:14believe
10:15this team and the current NFC had a chance to win it all when was he going to you you
10:23already knew
10:23going into the season that you had a depleted secondary you didn't choose to improve it you
10:29went through your season you lost Campbell and Rolder during the season again it it screams hey let's
10:41improve this position for the playoff run because I have a team in the NFC that can get there I
10:48listen
10:48I've made excuses in the past I believe I was justified a couple of times to understand why
10:54he didn't do something this one I don't get and you know everyone says well who could you have got
10:59this and that and now listen I agree these names are thrown out but Philadelphia essentially put a sign
11:04in the lawn they had two players one on an expiring contract another one with one year left at positions
11:12of need are we to believe they either wouldn't move them or what they were asking was so bad
11:20that we couldn't add those two to this team to truly make a Super Bowl run I I'm I'm confused
11:27and
11:27like I say I've defended him up till this point it's incredibly yeah I hear you and thanks for the
11:33call
11:33Paul and and you know we on this show and Doug is a former Brad bot and he's he let
11:39go of that
11:40moniker after the uh not landing Joy Porter Jr. um I've been I I think on the show we try
11:47to do is
11:48be very fair and wait things out and see how things develop but you know here we are it's a
11:52trade
11:52deadline I waited to the to the last minute of the trade deadline to see if they were going to
11:57do
11:57something they didn't do something and it it feels like there were players out there that could have
12:02been had now would it have been at a price that make you blush a little bit maybe but if
12:07you're
12:08believing in this team and you think this is the team that can get you there now go do it
12:12he makes
12:12a great point on on reek woolen expiring contract cisco expiring contract sixth round pick what is
12:18an expiring contract reek woolen cost no more than a fourth right I can't imagine but what if they say
12:23it was a second for reek woolen not an expired deal well what if they said it was makes you
12:28better
12:30I I don't know if it for a second round pick I don't think I would I would have done
12:33that I
12:34wouldn't have done that but I don't think that's where you have to yeah got to weigh the pain out
12:38and I don't know now zach bond who knows but this is why I bring up devon white and it
12:43could be
12:43legit if devon white comes back and he's completely healthy because he's just recovered from a broken
12:48arm right and he should be we saw alex anzalone do that and after missing a few weeks and he
12:52was
12:52he was still good for the lines in the playoffs and devon white now getting to play the position
12:58where he's comfortable at instead of playing alongside jack campbell he'd be playing in
13:02place at jack campbell this is one of the top five leading tacklers in the national football
13:07league last year he actually might be fine for that linebacker replacement I'll believe it when
13:12I see it but at least there's some hope there college ball questions next year 97 one
