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00:15what's up everybody welcome back to another edition of new york got games your boy dexter
00:19henry with my guy brian fonseca nope we are in pre-season mode and just got back from philadelphia
00:26knicks played their first pre-season game have another one this week at the garden against
00:30the wizards and we'll see what happens there but we've done this the last couple of years we like
00:35to talk about the best bets around the knicks every season and brian being i won't call you
00:41should i call you a betting guru no not a guru aficionado oh that sounds like you have a
00:47gambling problem no can't do that i i'm not even as much of a gambler as people think i would
00:53just
00:53say analyst betting just to move the conversation there we go that that works betting analyst brian
00:58does some work as a betting analyst yeah so he's going to help us it's the way the industry has
01:02gone people you know what i mean but it is what it is well we'll analyze hey here we are
01:07talking about
01:08some bets so we'll analyze some of the bets we've had some fun with it over time people can read
01:12my
01:13expression what what i'm saying without saying there you go uh we're going to talk about some
01:18of the best bets and interesting bets around the knicks this season uh that i think fans will
01:23be interested in you know we look at it all the time um so let's talk about it one of
01:30the things
01:30we always like to look at brian over under with the knicks last year the over under for the knicks
01:36i believe was was it 53 i'll tell you right now if i remember correctly it was 50 it's kind
01:40of been
01:41this way for a while so last year it was 53 and a half they went under because they went
01:46right at 53
01:47yep um i predicted them to go over we both did and that did not i thought they'd get to
01:5255 ish that's
01:53what i thought and they fell short of that um the year before it was also 53 and a half
01:59this is the
01:59what turned out to be the final tom thibodeau year yep they had 51 wins that year they went to
02:05the
02:05conference finals and then in 23 24 this was their second semi-final year yeah um 47 or 49 the
02:13final
02:13julius randall year yeah as a matter of fact also they were at 45 and a half and they finished
02:2050 and
02:2132 so that's recent recent history so three straight wins of 50 50 wins the last two they have not
02:29gone
02:30over their projected win total three years ago they did go over their projected win and the year before
02:34that they did also 38 and a half and then the first jalen brunson year 38 and a half and
02:39they
02:39were 47 35 so with that being said this year 52 and a half wins is the total that you
02:47have for the
02:47knicks that is their over under 52 and a half wins some may see as an interesting bet i gotta
02:53be honest
02:54here when i look at that and we're looking at some of the other odds that we can see uh
02:57with the knicks
02:58right now i'm inclined to look at this brian you tell me it's when you're looking at value and look
03:04over
03:04unders are fun is that you know you think yeah people always inclined to hit the over you want
03:08it's simple yeah more i get it this year with the knicks coming off of a very short offseason
03:16because they won the championship i don't see this team going that hard in the regular season
03:22i see a lot of times they're going to be resting guys and just because they've gone under the last
03:28couple of years i know this is one less game i gotta say under i gotta go i gotta go
03:35under here
03:35with the knicks i i could see but like but like 50 50 and 32 or 51 and 31 i
03:43see that you know what
03:44i'll say i would if there was a bet hey do you think they'll get 50 wins for the third
03:49consecutive
03:49year or fourth consecutive year would be i would say yeah i'd like that i think they'll just get it
03:54i
03:54think you get to 50 wins the east is also harder i want to factor that into the east is
03:59tougher we'll
03:59get to that and i think you're gonna you're gonna get some losses from teams that were at the bottom
04:03last year that you would not have got uh from you know team even a team like a chicago is
04:08going to
04:08be better i think a little scrappier yeah they're gonna steal some wins here i mean the net the nets
04:12aren't gonna be terrible they shouldn't be anyway no you know they're not yeah even them they're a
04:16little bit better than they were last year yeah so i could see 50 wins i don't know if i
04:20want to go
04:21more than that for me yeah like i'm i don't have a strong like you have to take the over
04:27or under
04:27on this i would i think that right around their projected win total is where they're going to be
04:32more or less um obviously i think they have the talent to do more than that they also had a
04:37shorter
04:37off season and again like we've seen with these teams who have had long playoff run after long
04:43playoff run after long playoff run you can get guys on lengthy absences like aaron gordon still
04:49hasn't fully recovered seemingly from their title from that you know what i mean like
04:54he he keeps getting injured um and and we've seen jamal murray struggle also after that championship
05:01we've seen it with the celtics obviously we know what happened with jason tatum in particular and
05:04chris asperzingis for whatever reason i don't even know how much of it is like uh outside of the viral
05:12infection that he's been dealing with but like you know there's there's stuff there too
05:16um and oklahoma city last year broke down at the very end otherwise they could have met the
05:20knicks in the finals you know they ended up losing aj mitchell they ended up losing uh jaylen williams
05:26for a lot of last season with hamstring issue wrist issue so yeah um for me this is this is
05:32like right
05:33at the number like i'd be tempted to to be like hey it's 52 exactly or something along those lines
05:40or 51
05:40exactly but i i think ultimately what's going to matter to people is if they're healthy come play
05:45off time i think ultimately they're still going to be a top three four seed uh maybe a top two
05:50seed
05:50because of how stacked the east could be like the best record may only be 53 and 29 54 and
05:5528.
05:56um but i think they're going to be right around where they're projected to be barring significant
06:01injury yeah that's why for me it's like i kind of lean under but i would probably just stay away
06:07from
06:07oh i would not i would not touch this yeah i would not probably stay away personally this this year
06:12last year i felt more inclined that they could do it and then we saw certain things now
06:16yeah a lot of things got to go right in a season like this i just think the the way
06:20the vibe i'm
06:21getting from the knicks and the way they're even managing this preseason to the way i think coach
06:25brown is going to manage a regular season i think you're going to see a lot of i know people
06:29hate the
06:30word but you'll see some load management and i think that's a smart thing for the knicks i think
06:33they're going to be very smart very cautious with their veteran players because it all is like you
06:38said it's about the playoffs so that's it now speaking about and we were going through the
06:41schedule yesterday there's a couple long road trips early on in the year six gamer in january
06:47as well too yeah so um out west so there's there's some trips that you got to worry about there
06:52too now
06:53speaking of the playoffs and winning a championship this is probably maybe the most fascinating one for
06:59people because what do you think is the better value the knicks to win a title which the knicks
07:07are the fourth best odds to win a title according to going to give a sportsbook out here actually
07:12we're not because they don't sponsor us so we're not going to do that yeah um but we're just gonna
07:15go plus you can get it around plus 1 000 folks yes we can you can get it around there
07:19and so do you
07:21want to say the team's ahead of them because i think one of them will be very i think people
07:24will
07:24be like okay those two make sense but that third one okc san antonio and the philadelphia 76ers are
07:33the team that's ahead of the knicks now you're right people really like the sixers yeah and you
07:38know what's funny so i'm i'm in philly for the first preseason game and i talked a lot of people
07:44people around the sixers people covered the sixers just talking to some people and it was really
07:49interesting to hear how many people are just philly is really excited about this they are happy to have
07:55lebron they think they can win i'm not saying they can't win and when i ask people i'm like well
08:02what's the concern for you of course it's in beats health a lot of people i think aren't talking about
08:07the lebron age factor here too yeah his foot's falling off he has sciatica or whatever yeah i think
08:13that's kind of getting swept under the rug and almost a little unfair to lebron we know how dope lebron
08:17has been but yeah i think his over under by the way for points per game was like 17 and
08:21a half or so
08:24yeah i'd stay away from that i'm just conditioned to think he'll get 20 a game forever but i think
08:29a lot of people are conditioned to that and but he won't have to on this team so yeah he
08:33won't so
08:33we'll see but yes philly is and also i think a lot of that tells you about how much you
08:38know i know
08:38you know this better than me a lot of the betting money is coming in on philly's just when you
08:41have
08:41the names like jalen brown and lebron going there immediately after lebron went there and
08:46jalen brown too but after lebron went there that like more people more cat because that's
08:50casual betters are moving that yeah and they're just like oh philly has all the all these names
08:55then okay fine that's how it works right and that's that's just how it goes i don't even get
09:00into that like that but that's how it goes yeah now the value for the next one is how you
09:03can find
09:04that around plus 1 000 the next to win the east get that around they are the second obviously we
09:10just
09:10told you philly's ahead of them so they're second in odds to win the east after philly get that around
09:15plus 360 if you're making a bet right this is what comes down to do you think the knicks can
09:20go
09:20back to back or do you think they could there's a better shot of them just reaching the finals the
09:24odds tells you they think there's a better shot of them reaching the finals than it is to go back
09:27to back but what are you what do you think is the better value bet there next to win it
09:33all
09:35because you do have some good odds here plus 1 000 or the next to just get to the finals
09:39and win the
09:40east you know what you do this is what this is what my boy joe dalera would do over at
09:45action
09:45network who i work with he would just do something like instead of either of those things why don't
09:50you just bet jalen brunson to win finals mvp at plus 900 he's like because if they're going to win
09:57he's probably going to be the mvp and if you really wanted to bet them to win the championship
10:03like they're only going to get there if jalen brunson is jalen brunson so like that that's kind of
10:07the way you do it you know what i mean and you literally just saw proof of this granted he
10:13was
10:13not healthy jalen brunson with the injured hand but you literally just saw proof of this like it's
10:17if you can get there it's like jalen brunson finals vp 900 if you if you want to take another
10:23shot i mean
10:23cats 4 000 uh plus 4 000 og is plus 10 000 which we know it'll most likely be brunson
10:31again if they
10:32were to win another championship but that's that's really how you got to play it you just take it off
10:37the
10:37team and be like well if this team wins who's likely to win finals mvp like that's just the same
10:44thing with conference finals and for this particular team like it's more most likely going to be brunson
10:50it would be brunson whereas some other teams you may have to think about a little bit more but with
10:54denver it's most likely going to be yokich with okc it's most likely going to be shea with the spurs
11:00it
11:00most likely would be wemby and then you know maybe you get a pacer situation from a couple years ago
11:06where like well it could be siakam and he did get eastern conference finals mvp it doesn't have to
11:11be halliburton but for the knicks it feels like it would be brunson anyway so that's just how i would
11:17look at that instead of just looking at whether or not the team can win the title yeah shout out
11:20to
11:20a friend of the show joe d'allara i thinking about that is interesting for me because i hear i
11:27hear his
11:28point the logic is sound i don't yeah he hasn't said this i'm just saying i think this is i
11:33think this is
11:33what joe would do that's how he thinks about these bets right for me i'll send this to him and
11:39see if
11:39i get his approval listen i know next fans are going to come in here and be in the comments
11:43and
11:43be like dex you don't believe they can go back to back we were talking about this with our technical
11:48director nicolai jackson yeah before look do the knicks have a shot to go back to back like a legitimate
11:55shot yes they are a they're going to be a contender for the title they have this is what i
11:59put it i think
12:00they have a legit shot to be in the final four of teams left yeah at the end of the
12:03season and
12:04they're projected as such legit shot for that which is why i think the better bet is for them to
12:10win the
12:10east right it's you know i'll call it the safer bet right to win the east like i if i
12:16was playing it
12:16i would probably if you were going to spend some money may put a little bit more on them to
12:21win the
12:21east and maybe sprinkle just a little something on them to win the whole thing that's where you feel
12:26good and if you don't you didn't you know try to do this responsibly you didn't lose too much right
12:31like you you'll be okay but i just think the better value is in them to win the east and
12:35here's the
12:35thing it doesn't mean i don't think the knicks can go back to back and there are challenges in the
12:39second apron with teams going back to back as we talked about but here's the thing you're banking on
12:43a team that has been together and played a lot of playoff games yeah and then you know even you
12:51might even take another bet which we don't have the odds for up here but it's what's the odds for
12:54them to just reach the conference finals right which i'm gonna if it's like i do have that it's
12:58at plus you know yeah 60 minus 185 to reach the east semis and to reach the east finals plus
13:05150
13:06i thought it'd be a plus 150 you didn't have the numbers yeah but i'll plus philly's about the same
13:10philly and the knicks are seen as the top two teams which i i don't i don't know about that
13:14but
13:14i might ladder those bets if you could in how you divvy up your money i'd probably go there maybe
13:18a
13:19lot more than to reach the conference finals to then win the east and then win the finals it's a
13:23nice fun
13:24bet if you want to then play all the way and you can win some money as you go along
13:27and not maybe
13:28lose as much um that's probably the way i would play it if i was going to do that i
13:33think they're
13:34going to be in the hunt you just wonder when you get to the hunt look if you get to
13:38the final four
13:38you got a chance you got yourself a chance yeah but can you get there and then get healthy
13:43we haven't seen a repeat nba champion in eight seasons now we haven't seen a repeat conference
13:49champion in a while right can a team break that trend sure doesn't have that we might go this
13:56whole second apron era and never see it yeah possible yeah do i think it's possible a team
14:00could break that trend yes but i also will caution and say you know what's gonna have to happen
14:05they're going to have to be really healthy yeah more not importantly through the regular season
14:10but by the time they get to the start of the postseason and we also have to talk about the
14:16fact
14:16that the knicks shout out to the medical staff dope last year yeah they had a lot of injury luck
14:23and injury luck is part of any team winning the title and this is not you need things to bounce
14:29the right way you need things to happen you need og to when he gets the hamstring strain that the
14:36knicks swept so he had extra time to rest now it helped that the knicks didn't play with their food
14:40they took care of business that helps yeah can you get some of those things again to happen can you
14:45not play with your food so guys can rest during the regular season all these things matter but it
14:50was me i think the best bet i i like the bet for the knicks to win the conference to
14:54get back to the
14:54finals i like that bet i i think they have a good shot a lot of stuff depends on matchups
15:00but if that's
15:01the way i play it for them to reach the east finals i would ladder it go to the win
15:06the conference
15:06finals and win this title i would ladder it and then you know they put more money and a little
15:12bit
15:12less money as the odds go up is what i would do yeah i mean because they're you know let's
15:18see
15:18three plus like 360 ish to win the east and brunson's plus 400 to win eastern conference
15:24finals mvp i would just take the brunson bet and i would also just sprinkle on towns at plus 1800
15:29that's
15:29just that's just how i would play it it's like all right if they win mvp it's most likely going
15:32to
15:32be brunson it could also be towns og doesn't put up the like gaudy numbers that the voters would
15:38probably look for although now we understand not we but like the the the masses understand
15:46his impact you know given the signature play given how great he was you know at at the most important
15:52moments of winning time during the playoffs so i do think that you know he's at plus 5 000 there
15:59so you
15:59can you can do that like why not but i i think i would just do it that way um
16:04but i also don't feel
16:06the need to do it right now we're just we're talking about it in preseason but like but like
16:12what if they get off to a slowest start because of all the things we're talking about it then it's
16:18like oh you know what there's some value there because like the raptors came out hot they're 11
16:24and 3 people really like them yannis in miami they're like 10 and 4 their defense is number one
16:29in the league and then it's like oh people are forgetting about the knicks all of a sudden then
16:33is the time to like really like strike with that that's a great point when you look at the
16:37future it's just giving you get some more value giving people something giving people something
16:40else to consider also and then and then to response another thing you said where you talked about like
16:45you know believing they could go back to back which we both think they're capable of but i want
16:49to remind people that you know we thought and collectively like as mb as people covering the
16:55nba following the nba and i think a lot of nba fans felt this way also like who's going to
16:59be
16:59denver and then they got beat who's going to be boston right they got beat who's going to beat okc
17:04and then they got beat like we do this all the time with the defending champion in this second apron
17:09era where the champion looks like they could just keep it going and they don't so like we don't have
17:14to see the forest through the trees today like oh they're definitely going to get back because
17:20nobody could stop them it's like you have to see the season play out i will say to that though
17:25because i think the point you made of that group of teams just because the nicks are the
17:29nicks and some of this is going to be i know fans will get into this they take the bait
17:33with certain
17:34programs and stuff like i know where you're going the nicks won't get that benefit of the doubt and
17:40i'm not trying to throw my cape on here for the nicks but they won't get the benefit of doubt
17:43they
17:43won't i'm more so talking about nicks fans like like just i wouldn't i wouldn't go into the season
17:50being like they're absolutely going to win another championship no because i think what we
17:55acknowledge and what we understand and i think they can but other fans i wouldn't call i wouldn't
18:00say yeah winning a championship is hard going back to back in any era second apron era whatever you
18:06want to call it it's still hard it's really hard to do yeah you can argue that it's harder to
18:10do
18:10than ever before yes because of the roster i would definitely say that but it's really hard to do all
18:16right one of a play i want to look at some player stuff for you and one of the ones
18:21i think you and
18:22i both found interesting a player that's very interesting because he's also trying to get paid
18:26that is car anthony towns now one of the things i remember us talking about this during watch parties
18:33cat assists there was a time through the atlanta series and through part of this philly series where
18:38that number was so low cat was getting like five plus assists almost every night it was like a bet
18:42you had
18:43to make with cat operating more from the you know as a hub of the offense on the wing which
18:49coach brown
18:50has talked about that you'll see more of that this year with new wrinkles you could think that maybe
18:55his assist numbers go up it's possible i don't think it's unreasonable to think that that he could
19:02um now generally cat assists per game i think for his career is around just over three
19:09um that he's had that he had in his career is at 3.1 actually right um the recent single
19:15season
19:15averages have gone anywhere from 3.1 to 3.4 but he hasn't had the freedom to have this many
19:22touches
19:22and then have the passing that we maybe you'll see like it's in the playoffs i think there could be
19:27a
19:27bump in his assist i think that's possible i do too how much of a bump there is yeah that's
19:34interesting
19:34now we looked at some odds and cat to average six plus assist because we can't find five we couldn't
19:41find five which i think which i which i think is interesting yeah why you can't find five although
19:46five even five would be difficult for a big like it just doesn't happen but i think it would be
19:52possible enough and tantalizing enough for people to sprinkle some dollars yeah now they're trying to
19:57tantalize you more the odds will give you here for six and that's plus 500
20:01six is a lot for someone who hasn't even done five in a season right six is a lot i
20:08think his
20:08highest 3.4 yeah he hasn't even done four no he has one year whoa how many games he's actually
20:14so
20:15in three different years he's gotten closer he's got 4.4 in a 35 game season yeah that's yeah 4
20:23.5 this
20:24that was the coveted year the 4.5 the year after covet and mind you the the usage he was
20:29not playing with
20:29jalen brunson he was not playing with like this team different kind of situation right like this
20:34was pre-anthony edwards minnesota right and then early in anthony edwards career he averaged 4.8 but
20:42he played 29 games that year car anthony towns this was the 22 23 season i think that was the
20:48year that
20:48minnesota made it back to the playoffs for the first time oh no well not in first time in a
20:52while
20:52because they did it with jimmy butler but they did make it to the playoffs that year and they got
20:57gentlemen swept by the denver nuggets and then cat signed the four for 224 extension that summer
21:04i six is too high of a number for me yeah no i can't now you start giving me the
21:09numbers of five
21:10i think that's a fun five i could think about i think that's a fun futures prop i think it's
21:14fun
21:15you can look at it i think he will get into four somethings this year i think he can get
21:20give it a good
21:21run we've looked for five we can't find any odds on five if if you're gonna say that six is
21:28at 500
21:29let's say five is 250 let's say it's plus 250 it's fine can i give you the the i do
21:34it so this is what
21:35you have to look at right how many nba players do you think averaged six assists last year in the
21:40nba
21:40like the the the done nba the amount of players that did it six six point oh not 5.5
21:46with rounding
21:476.0 because that's how they're gonna grade it ultimately uh you don't win by rounding i'm gonna
21:53say 20 19 yeah feels about right how many of them were centers do you think one two who's the
22:03other
22:03one beside the yokich albert shangun albert shangun 6.2 okay but like so he would that's the level
22:10that he would have to get to right and that's that's not even accounting for like the monster
22:16sabonis who was injured last year so he doesn't really qualify but he's a guy capable he's yeah bam
22:22has gotten five i think twice he's done it he's definitely done it at least once i don't know if
22:30he'll do that with janice this year janice is another one while he's not a center but he i mean
22:35this year will be a four five but he he can hit this and he's somebody whose assist numbers have
22:41gone up so like that's where cat kind of has to get to if five were out there i'd feel
22:46more
22:46comfortable doing that you have 35 players who averaged five assists per game last season julius
22:51randall being one of them at 5.0 exactly um like that's something that makes more sense to me you
22:57have like draymond greens there that's something you would expect scotty barnes who was awesome
23:01last year and a really good playmaker he's not like a big necessarily he's a big wing i wouldn't
23:06say like he's a center yeah i wouldn't say that he could play some small ball five in some lineups
23:10he's more of a three four like a tweener forward combo forward but that's where cat kind of would
23:14have to get to to get this so six is just like it's a fun long shot it's going to
23:20be very difficult
23:20five though if five were out there and if you could find five uh let us know yeah i think
23:25that's
23:25possible i also think it's a fun bet take it i think five could be really interesting it's still
23:29a lot but it's still a lot but it's possible for him with the confidence he's found his offense
23:33coming off of the playoff run playing as the hub of the offense i do think it's possible and i
23:38do
23:38think the knicks are going to be a little bit more empowered i think the wings are going to be
23:42more
23:42empowered playing off of cat so i i do see some better things for them offensively it's five would be
23:48a fun bet six i don't six i just don't see six shows you got to be like an elite
23:52level passing big
23:53man now i do think cat's an underrated passing big man but i wouldn't put him in that al prince
23:58and goon nicola yoka samana sabonis yeah i wouldn't put him in bam's gotten five twice
24:03sabonis has gotten six or more it looks like three or four times and this is no shade to bam
24:08bam
24:08doing it gives me hope that cat could do it i mean he's a good playmaker too i mean i
24:13would say
24:13that they're both probably in that tier that same tier yeah that's what that's what i think that's
24:17what i meant by that they have similar they have similar passing talent yeah that's what i meant by
24:21that it was no shade to bam it's just i see him in that same tier it's here all right
24:25a couple more
24:25things before we go i wanted to look at og because i'm sure he'll get a lot of love now
24:30i did bring
24:31this up we couldn't find it og for most improved player i'm gonna say this and this is coming off
24:38of watching him yeah he first he didn't qualify he didn't he wouldn't even listen like it's crazy
24:44like i think in one instance let me let me just verify let me just double check just i think
24:48og what i'll
24:49say while you check he might be too good that's the thing i think og the way he came out
24:54even in
24:55preseason name number one knows preseason he's not took a bunch of shots he was extremely aggressive
25:00all of us sitting on press row were talking about it was like not that he was chucking or anything
25:04he
25:04just there was an aggression to him and we talked about it i talked about it in this offseason about
25:09him being one of the players what they could do to improve his game he was more decisive with the
25:13ball something i was looking at not over dribbling now that also translate and will he make shots and be
25:19aggressive we know how good of a defensive player he is but i think if you're looking at him to
25:23win
25:24most improved player of the year if he does ever get listed i don't think he would be a bad
25:27pick
25:28but we couldn't find that so he would have to his numbers because he's already good would have to jump
25:34significantly that's the thing he'd have to get to be we're talking about him 23 24 per game scorer
25:40i don't know if that can happen to him on this team with brunson and cat
25:43right but i do think that there's maybe another thing that's not a bad thing we're talking about
25:47if healthy is there a chance for him to make an all-star team this year i think that's something
25:50he would like now he's talked about how he thinks he should get more recognized for his defense
25:55and all of that and look og's odds to win defensive player of the year
26:01you can see this around plus 7 000 yeah right it's just yeah it's so that here's the problem that's
26:08the
26:08one that we've talked about so far where i'm like that's an automatic like i'll just i'll just take a
26:14shot at it because why not you could also you could also i don't know if you're going to mention
26:18this but and one place who doesn't sponsor this program you could bet the field versus wemby
26:25because wemby is like minus 300 to win it which is crazy but it's crazy but it's not because he's
26:31that good but also like if he misses 18 games then you know but see maybe that's so which would
26:38you do
26:38would you take og for deep boy or would you go with the field yeah or just do both i
26:43would say i
26:43would take og because you could get a whole bunch of dudes at value you can get og at 7
26:47000 the field
26:48by the way is plus 250 it looks like what do you think og's numbers has to look like in
26:53order for
26:54him to get this done and and assuming maybe that's that that it honestly is that oh but even okay
27:02let's
27:02say that happens what but what do the numbers that have to look like for him to hold off the
27:06rest of the
27:06field defensive numbers i think they could just be similar because i he's already done like 1.6
27:13steals 0.7 blocks and we've talked about all the time like that's not how you measure defense right
27:17tell that to some of the voters um but like deep boy is really reputation based like rudy gobert i
27:25would argue he's gotten a couple more defensive player of the years than he deserves because of
27:29reputation because of reputation like you know like i think i think that we're also going to look at
27:36all right who are the teams that are playing really well although the first deep boy that
27:40rudy gobert got the jazz were like a five seed and he missed a third of the season but whatever
27:45um you would have like who are going to be the the best defensive teams in the league
27:51you would think detroit's going to be in that conversation again i don't know to what degree
27:56they just got jalen durham back so so assar thompson will be in that mix yeah san
28:02antonio is going to have wimby obviously uh miami will have one of bam or yannis i think bam more
28:08likely actually um than yannis defensively at this stage but one of those guys toronto is going to
28:15have probably scotty barnes because i don't know how much kawaii is going to play in terms of that
28:20games played but they'll be good defense like these are these are the teams that you're thinking
28:23about right yeah so for the knicks if they're just one of the best two three teams in the east
28:29in
28:29the regular season like og is going to be in that conversation if the defense is good enough if the
28:33defense is like a top five to seven defense or so because that's part of it it's like your team
28:38has
28:38to be really good so why is your team really good defensively well they have this person you have to
28:42have somebody to point to he's the guy that you're going to point to here and that's the advantage that
28:46he would have because like we know it's not going to be jalen with all due respect and we know
28:50it's
28:50not going to be cat no so it has to be og antonio it has to be i like this
28:54bet i think it's a
28:55fun long shot bet it's too good of a number yeah it's it's a fun long shot bet i would
29:00do it he
29:01could lead the league in steals i do think legit yeah and that would really put you in a conversation
29:07he's done that once before this is one of those ones that i would jump on now because yes that's
29:12one that you do now because the value could change really quickly within like a month into the season
29:16and you know health is obviously another factor but this is one of the ones i like i think it's
29:20a fun
29:20bet seven thousand bro i think og is very motivated this year to show that he is leveled up and
29:25that's
29:26why i said i'd look at that most improved player if he ever gets on the list but i like
29:29depoy as a
29:30long shot because i still think he feels that he should have been better than second team last year
29:36um i remember i did a video with jonathan mackrey about that about whether or not he should have been
29:40better than second team before the the season ended before he even got that award so we'll see how
29:45motivated he is here all right last thing before we get up out of here we got to talk about
29:49the captain
29:50jalen brunson now he is the mvp in the hearts of a lot of nicks fans and understandably so yeah
29:59totally get it we know what he means to this team the odds for jalen brunson to win mvp i
30:04bet this last
30:05year if you can remember i remember this remember i took this last year do you remember the odds last
30:11year it's similar to this okay it's very similar plus 3 500 yeah guys um plus 3 500 for jalen
30:19brunson
30:20to win mvp and you could look at some of these other odds outlooks but the two i really want
30:24to compare here is the odds for him to win clutch player yeah plus 750 right and whether or not
30:31you
30:31think that's the better value but you can all see the other numbers here folks to average 25 points
30:36per game they pretty much think that's a lock yeah that is at minus 250 to average 28 points per
30:43game
30:43plus 300 to average 30 points per game plus 1400 i don't think you want jalen brunson to be doing
30:48that much scoring on the next day i might worry a little bit about especially coming off the injury
30:52and the surgery and all that stuff 26 and 26 each of the last two years and 28.7 before
30:57that and then
30:5820 to become a scoring champion uh plus 8 000 i also just don't see that if that happens i'd
31:05be
31:05alarmed i'd be like where's everybody else like you might have had too many injuries for you to like
31:12that um on the scoring front i again i would say i don't i don't love any of those because
31:19i i think
31:20there's is there a world we could have 28 i don't love any of these i think when you get
31:24into the 20 and 30
31:25i think you might as well flush the money down the toilet i probably just wouldn't do that he
31:29shouldn't have to is the main reason it's like if he has to there's a problem right if he's at
31:3428 i'm
31:35like okay so what happened to cat what happened to og is did mikhail bridges finally miss time like
31:41what happened you know what i mean like i'd be worried yeah i feel like you're making those bets
31:46you're looking for it you should be worried i would stay away from those yeah if in terms of the
31:50mvp
31:51versus the clutch player of the year award what's the better value bet for you there
31:57um you know well first of all i guess we should ask this you sprinkle some money on him to
32:00win
32:01mvp last year there's a 4 000 out there for mvp now would you would you do it would you
32:06bet him
32:07to win mvp this see if we're saying about the regular season and how they're going to treat it
32:11like i just that's where i'm like it sounds like they got to be a 55 plus win team top
32:16seed in the east
32:17so so my rationale last year was if the knicks are really good
32:23then he's gonna have a media push because they're the knicks and what ended up happening
32:29was they were kind of they were kind of really good but then they were kind of inconsistent up
32:34and down maddening you know we had the famous jonathan mackrey rant which is an all-timer during
32:39the season um and and understandably so at the time he said it right like completely understandably so
32:47and like the way the season transpired it just wasn't really in the cards so now that you want
32:53a championship it's like okay how are voters going to feel about this because that's ultimately what
32:58you're looking at and how is he going to produce so i think 4 000 is still good odds considering
33:04okay
33:05if you expect him to be a top two three team in the east he'll be in the conversation as
33:08long as he's
33:09healthy and as long as he's healthy is right at the key here and look at who's ahead of him
33:13so
33:13wendy's the wendy's plus 150 which is kind of insane like that's a really short number luca
33:19plus 400 yoke is plus 500 think about the numbers those guys put up like that's the thing too like
33:25jalen brunson it's not like he averages 20 right after that 550 yeah that that's that's the narrative
33:31around this they're tired of him they're tired they're like back to back now you gotta really do
33:35something you know and it would think about the like all those guys put up gaudier numbers
33:42which is why clutch player of the year kind of makes more sense he's actually i think he's a
33:45favorite to win clutch player of the year plus 750 but that's his reputation right it's like he might
33:50not be the best player overall for a lot of people for most people but in the fourth quarter when
33:57it
33:57matters there's arguably nobody better right like that's that's kind of the reputation so if you're
34:05going to put up whatever he's going to put up 25 12 lead the league in blocks luca may average
34:11close
34:11to triple double yokich may average close to triple double shay is going to do like his 32 five and
34:16five
34:16and be super efficient janice is fifth he could put up big numbers also yeah the numbers the number i
34:22agree with you on the numbers it's almost like even if we say dale brunson's around with your last
34:27year like around 26 a game right yeah it has some similar numbers i think what it would take is
34:32literally 10 assists like literally he would i'm not gonna go he would need the tennis i'm not
34:37even gonna go to the numbers i'm saying for let's say his numbers are almost identical to what he put
34:41up in the regular season last year let's say it's a 26 and seven what he's gonna need to push
34:46the
34:46narrative further is yes gaudier numbers would help like with the assists i agree with you but what
34:51he would need to push it further is the knicks would have to be really damn good like 60
34:56if they're a 60 win team and he has those numbers coming off the championship and they're looking
35:01like they are at the time people will say this they have 60 wins look like they're gonna go right
35:05back to the finals that that's the way he gets him now i think the better value bet is the
35:11clutch
35:11player of the year because you said fits in his mmo you can probably see jalen brunson still averaging
35:15the same amount of numbers that he put up last year and having a lot of clutch buckets and still
35:19killing the fourth quarter we've known this we've seen this movie before he could do it again i agree with
35:24there's nobody better than nba that you trust with the ball in the hands in the fourth quarter
35:28to go get it done a lot of the doubters are also going to say hey a small guard yes
35:33there's still
35:34gonna be these doubters can't get this done can't win mvp if you feel like proving those doubters wrong
35:39and i understand why and you want to also earn some money off of it i would say this is
35:44also is not a
35:46debt that you can say for a long shot have some fun with it maybe sprinkle a couple dollars down
35:51like brian did last year on him to win mvp why not if it hits and all these things work
35:56well you'll
35:56be happy the next 160 games and the charge of it and you might get some dollars in your pocket
36:02and
36:02he still also might win clutch player the year award because all these things can be true he can
36:06still average like 26 still hit tons of clutch shots and the next can win 60 games which i don't
36:11think because i don't think they're going to take the regular season that seriously but
36:13and the nba is better this year it looks like yeah but you need all these things happen forget
36:18even 60 games i think they would have to have best record in the league or one of the two
36:21best
36:22records yeah or at least in the east at least in the east but even so like the west you
36:25people think
36:26there might be 260 win teams coming out of the west which we already seen with with okay so so
36:31we'll
36:32we'll see how how all that goes but yeah i think the best bet for me is i would go
36:37clutch player of the
36:38year over mc 750 plus 750 for clutch player of the year plus we saw you saw as high as
36:44plus 4 000 for
36:45mvp so all interesting stuff some interesting bets um yeah for me i would go clutch player of the year
36:51uh yes i'm with you i'd sprinkle some money on og to win deep boy that's that's the only one
36:56here
36:57that i'm like that's a must yeah like even if it's a donation like brunson average 28 points per game
37:03i would pass on that i just don't see i just don't see him getting enough to go there
37:07catch an average of six plus to six going back on that if it's five i'm in six too much
37:14for me i'm not
37:14doing that five i'll take a shot i would ladder the knicks to make the conference finals win the
37:20conference win the championship that's how i play that and then i'm going i'm really staying away
37:25from the over under just to recap and i think you were too me too but i'm going i'm going
37:29more player
37:30based in terms of conference finals and things like i think the value is more in the player stuff
37:34i think we kind of came to that you kind of like you and although i would wait i would
37:38also wait
37:39i would also wait because again like value change yeah because if the the so it's not even like
37:45think about all the teams in the east that we believe are good if two of them get off to
37:49like
37:49a hot start then the knicks just move down a little bit then it's like okay then i could
37:52strike i could i could take this bet in like january and who cares or yeah i always think that's
37:57a good time to pick take your championship bets if you want to raptors could be really good the
38:00heat the pistons the pacers like we don't know like and this could be like fifth or sixth and like
38:06in
38:06the in the east midway through the year maybe just a couple games behind like that pack or whatever
38:11but like the east could be just jumbled up and it's like okay maybe teams are really really high
38:16on this other crop or people are really high on this other crop of teams i should say so now
38:22it's
38:23like okay people are sleeping on the knicks now it's time to go back on that watch it watch value
38:26and you know it's all this stuff in the nba it's just one winning streak away one losing streak away
38:31from these odds and injuries one way or the other so it's all interesting do you care about
38:35jose alvarado plus 15 000 to win six man of the year no but you are gonna you are gonna
38:41make that
38:41i'm not i'm not i'm not your puerto rican flag that's what's gonna be yeah i just said it was
38:45not
38:45available i didn't i didn't see deuce unless they they may have listed him as miles mcbride but like
38:50i don't i don't think a nick will have six man of the year um unless unless moldy awara really
38:56really
38:56pops off but he's a like he would then be a most improved player and six man of the year
39:02candidate but
39:02he would have to be really good because that six man that six man group looks deep this year
39:07could be deep but sometimes it does come i got somebody you didn't expect can come along sometimes
39:11and enter the name of the conversation so you never know with that all right that's gonna do
39:15it for this episode let us know in the comments what do you think what bets do you like are
39:18you
39:19making any bets on the knicks this year with some good value some things maybe we didn't talk about
39:23on this we couldn't talk about everything but maybe what's the bets that you think will be really good
39:26for the knicks this season we got a lot coming your way on new york got game there'll be more
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39:50this episode
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39:56dexter henry we'll catch you next time on another edition of new york got game
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