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00:15what's up everybody we are back with another edition of new york out game dexter henry
00:19brian fonseca basketball is not officially with gavetown on the court but we are back
00:26training camp is active next couple days in so we've got to record next week pre-season game
00:32starts are you excited for some pre-season basketball brian not really those are words
00:36nobody's ever said wmb the wmb playoffs are on mlb playoffs are on the nba pre-season is like
00:43the players don't even want to play i don't believe you you're somebody who gets into all
00:47these international competitions and you're out here telling me you're not excited for nba
00:51pre-season speaking of euro league is starting the domestic leagues like there's actual
00:58consequential basketball starting as opposed to the pre-season i'll watch it because it's our job
01:04but there's far more interesting things going on right now across sports i tried to get you
01:08i opened the door not to mention not to mention football for people who indulge also and hockey
01:16just started regular season hockey just started this week yeah i actually been watching some
01:19international soccer in alaska last week yeah yeah i'm at the point where i'm like damn i i love
01:25like international play obviously but like i'm like where's club soccer i miss it you know what
01:31i mean we need we need another it's another like week and a half until we're back i can't wait
01:36then
01:36my team comes back back and they get to play that team that was cheating so we're gonna yeah can't
01:40wait for that um well more than that anyway we're here to talk about the knicks who like we said
01:45are in the middle of training camp couple of days in and what we want to do because brian loves
01:50the
01:50pre-season so much we are gonna talk about our top three things that we should watch with the knicks
01:57this pre-season so brian has his three i have my three we did not talk about this at all
02:01other than
02:01the idea for the episode i suspect we're gonna have overlap i'd be surprised if we didn't have
02:05overlap i think we'll have overlap i have a feeling our top answers might be overlap which
02:10okay yeah and i so i've ranked this i'm going from three to one you know what i'm watching for
02:15in terms of importance i'm gonna let you tip things are you going least important the most
02:19important or i'm going least important the most important okay least important the most important
02:23number one is the most important thing that i'm watching this pre-season okay that's how i'm going
02:28number three is is the least of i think they're all important just to be clear people yeah but
02:33there's a clear drop off for me like yeah i i i wonder if i want is the same let
02:38me start what do you
02:39have for number three let's start with that what do you have for number three who emerges from the
02:42non-guaranteed pack so this is basically james wiseman ochai abaji formerly john conchar who is
02:50no longer on the team for the time being we'll see what happens there bruce brown drew eubanks
02:54the those those kinds of dudes and to see who emerges from that from a boy oh you forgot about
03:00your boy you didn't even name your boy tony bradley tony bradley yes newly listen listen if you are
03:07truly a friend of got game you know you know we love tony bradley over here the we are strong
03:16there
03:16but yeah fine um but yeah it's like who emerges from that because if you're looking at the roster
03:23right now you have a lot of spots obviously taken not all of them like there are multiple spots
03:30potentially potentially to be had depending on how the knicks want to utilize and fill out their
03:35roster a lot of teams like to have a available roster spot um you know that 15th slot you know
03:41vacant and try to use it later some of it is financial reasons i think a majority of it is
03:46financial reasons but just to have that added flexibility you never know what you're going to
03:50need to make a trade also and you need that spot but like brunson's in cat og hard bridges so
03:55on and
03:55so forth all the way down also new two-way by the way with atkins now in the fold from
04:01michigan
04:01state who could shoot although struggled from three of his last season at michigan state and
04:07kevin mcculler is back and then nickel as expected he's a two-way guy but from this group it's all
04:13veterans all veterans so i'm already intrigued it's like okay you're aiming for somebody who's going to
04:19know their role and for somebody who's probably not going to play a ton unless they really earn it or
04:24breaking case of emergency situations james wiseman has the most upside of this group i think bruce brown
04:31is clearly the best player of this group and there's a drop-off i agree um abagi is interesting
04:36drew eubanks is pretty interesting but they're i think the floor is a little bit lower there
04:40potentially and then the tony bradley wrinkle like i'm legitimately intrigued by it not because
04:47as we would joke get your pension tony you know i'm saying he's going to go into year 10
04:53there's a lot of look tony bradley's not coming to play around there's a pension on the line if he
04:58could
04:58service time you know what i mean like he he's been in the league for a while but we've legitimately
05:03seen tony bradley against the knicks in back-to-back years because he was on the pacers team that beat
05:09the knicks in the conference finals and went to the finals uh two years ago or two seasons ago and
05:14then
05:14this past season he was on the atlanta hawks team in both cases a breaking breaking case of emergency
05:19situation at center and is trusted by coaches when he's on the roster like we know we can go to
05:26you and i
05:26think for mike brown that's interesting there i don't think he's more talented than james wiseman
05:32at all i'm not telling you he's better than andre drummond but i think that battle between him and
05:38wiseman because that's really what it is that battle between him and wiseman is interesting because
05:42wiseman has all the potential wiseman also has a lot of recent injury history that he has to try to
05:46get
05:46over but with tony bradley i think that there's somebody who can come in rebounds knows where he needs
05:53to be on defense can set screens not the most laterally quick as we've seen in the playoffs but
05:58can can fill a need for eight to ten minutes like that that's kind of what you're looking for in
06:02that
06:02spot wiseman is the one who you're like okay outperformed this and then bruce brown to me is
06:06like clearly like clearly should be an on an nba roster i question the fit with this team i feel
06:12like if he's gonna have a pathway to minutes you might need to shuffle around some things a little bit
06:16on the bench they don't shuffle around anything right yeah so and i thought that would have been the
06:22case to a lesser degree with john conchar but also with john conchar so that that battle of like all
06:27these veterans on non-guaranteed deals who emerges from that and i think competition is great with
06:33young players i think it's equally great for veterans because these guys are all effectively
06:37competing for their careers if a guy who's been in the league for years is taking a non-guarantee to
06:42compete that's a good thing for the knicks because you'll get the best out of everybody there you would
06:47think yeah it should be interesting i do think that's something interesting to watch it's not a place i
06:51went but i do think it's a very interesting thing to watch i am very intrigued i will say this
06:55to
06:56your point because i'm so intrigued as what the knicks are going to do are i do agree with you
07:01the
07:01best player out of that group is bruce brown yeah but it feels like the roster for more balanced
07:08purposes needs a center and will it go with the center and what if james assuming they only they might
07:15not they might not only sign one if they sign two and somebody else is like that's the thing
07:20which is still a possibility if they really like two they can do that like adadie who we've talked
07:24about already before i wonder what happens if we are two games into the preseason and we're hearing
07:29good things coming out of camp and we're talking to bondi we're talking to jared schwartz and they're
07:32like hey well you're hearing from coach brown himself where he's like look we like what we're
07:37seeing out of i'm just going to insert person wiseman and bruce brown and then we're all
07:42who i think is being slept on a little bit yeah and we're seeing it on the court yeah in
07:47the minutes
07:47because the thing that steph has told me and he talked about this with me on media day is
07:52don't expect the stars to play a lot in the preseason of course that's a short summer yes this
07:56is not going to happen a lot so you're going to see there's going to be plenty of opportunities what
07:59i'm saying for these guys that are competing to actually get a shot it's going to be like an nfl
08:04preseason for them so i think you know a couple weeks ago you asked me to re-rank when we
08:09when the
08:09nixon made all those signings and you were like yo where you rank the guys and i had wiseman low
08:14wiseman's moved up for me now yeah yeah i had him higher than you did yeah you did and now
08:18i'm like
08:20because i could see the pathway if he plays well right because of his youth and if he especially if
08:26he looks competent defensively because that's the thing for me the ceiling of him challenges
08:30andre drummond for that backup spot right and even if he challenges andre drummond for the
08:34back spot but andre drummond exits out of camp and preseason still in number two role which i think
08:39he will and if the nicks keep him on the roster keeping wiseman that is i do think that could
08:43be
08:43a good thing for them where they can say okay we have a young center that we can develop along
08:50and
08:50maybe feel good about and this is what they were trying to do when they're trying to get moves to
08:54cise and all that stuff and maybe it makes you feel a little bit more comfortable if injury happens
09:01yeah i think if you're a nick fan you'd like to feel a little more comfortable center
09:04so i'm really watching how the center battle is coming out and i'm watching how a guy like you
09:09said like bruce brown who i agree with you should be on an nba roster is sort of i don't
09:13want to say
09:14fighting for his career with him that might be a little bit dramatic there i mean if you're taking
09:17a non-guarantee but you kind of are right you know yeah you you all of these dudes and this
09:23goes for a
09:23lot of veterans across the league even guys on contracts who took part of the mid-level you're one
09:29subpar year away from being in europe yeah or injury beat from being in lithuania or or you are
09:35a couple of good years or one good year for being landry shaman right right exactly this is the other
09:40way it can work out for you so it's kind of interesting to see all right that's a good number
09:43three here's my number three what are the new wrinkles to mike brown's offense now did not have
09:51this no overlap so far no overlap so far now mike brown talked about this day one of training camp
09:55that and he was asked about will cat still be the hub of the offense will they still run the
09:59offense to cat i did not think that he was going to go away from it now you and i
10:03talked about this
10:03i believe on the last episode that we did expect to see some wrinkles this was not going to look
10:08the
10:08same teams adjust teams the opposition i mean adjust and teams who do certain things offensively
10:15are always going to make tweets you got to have counters to the counters this is what you have to
10:18do
10:18the other thing that mike brown talked about was we could see a little bit of og at the five
10:25playing
10:25some backup five now there's a couple you kind of have to you do but there's a couple things there
10:30it makes me tell you how the knicks probably feel about their backup five situation and also but to
10:35give credit to mike brown which we saw last year he is willing to be flexible depending on lineups
10:41depending on matchups depending on availability all that stuff so i think that's what you want to see
10:45and i think this regular season is a fantastic time for the knicks to experiment with that to
10:53try that lineup more see what it is with og there now we know we saw some of it in
10:58the playoffs we
10:58should add to there were times they went with og at the five and had him play small og held
11:03his own
11:04against bigger players some stronger players so i'm intrigued to see that mike brown also did talk
11:08about more pick and roll opportunities for og ananobi that's something i'm also intrigued to see
11:13how does og look in that can he make quick decisions with that we talked about when we did
11:19episode i remember when this was this was july or something about maybe one of the next evolutions
11:22to his game how players could improve yeah and he was somebody i said okay if he's a little quicker
11:28with his decision making if he builds on what we saw from him in the playoffs that could be better
11:31so
11:31it shows me mike brown might be trusting at least for now og a little bit more to put the
11:38ball in his
11:38hands and give him some opportunities and pick and roll situations and see how he handles it
11:42so my thing is what are the new wrinkles to the offense og playing some backup five how does it
11:48all look more diverse that's something i want to see in the preseason the backup five thing is
11:52interesting because you think about how that matches up with other teams in the eastern conference
11:56in their front court now granted look he's not going to start at five it would only be but so
12:00many
12:01minutes yeah but the stints will be interesting because you have like in cleveland you have two bigs
12:06now i know who um one of them is more tall than big some would argue both but i would
12:11say
12:12yeah evan mobley for sure um who who did have a good year last year but still uh cleveland
12:19toronto obviously like they i mean they want to do the same thing with column or column or
12:24boils probably coming off the bench um so that like that's an interesting sort of matchup there
12:28if those two are playing small ball five against each other miami has bam and yannis and then i think
12:32it'll be bam or yannis when they're when each of them is not on the floor they'll be staggered
12:37boston's obviously going to have 48 minutes or have the luxury of having 48 minutes of namias
12:41kata or mitchell robinson out there not to mention whoever else that they sort of developed through
12:46the pipeline um detroit i mean maybe they'll have jaylen durren maybe maybe i i don't know at this point
12:55so on and so forth and then philly like me maybe it'll be um you know ariel huck
13:02reporting honestly i love how you didn't even mention joellen b i love how you what is it i
13:07don't know how he's gonna play on the floor yeah i don't know like it should be joellen b but
13:11yeah
13:11so i i think that's that's an interesting wrinkle to to to throw in there and the the quickness that
13:17he has and maybe dribble driving and some of the things that we saw last year like that'll be
13:21advantageous if he has the right matchup too if he's playing a small ball right matchup matters and
13:25we even saw a game i believe this was january 24th against philly in philly nicks had that really
13:31good yeah i remember you and i did a live he was the back he was the five down the
13:34stretch not even
13:34the backup five he was closing he closed it to five on joellen b and did a fantastic job so
13:39and it'll give the knicks and it'll give the knicks a five outlook which in today's nba is very
13:43important and when you can go to it and play it don't have to do it all the time but
13:46when you can do
13:47that that is a really good thing all right what's number two for you number two for me is and
13:52this
13:53one's obvious because we've talked about it so i won't go too long on it but the the matchup
13:57between moldy awara and pakol dadi i'm making it i'm making it a matchup in my head it might not
14:01be
14:02one it might not be one but we'll see uh we'll say it's a matchup for the time being in
14:07theory it
14:08should be but that's yeah it's just there so we've talked about backup center a lot i think this team
14:13also has a need for a backup wing but they have two on the roster you need one of them
14:20to emerge is
14:21really the thing like that's that's sort of the difference whereas with backup five you're just
14:25you're just hoping that andre drummond's good enough if you're the knicks um and he may be
14:30right but for the wings it's like you need to figure out what you have in moldy awara and to
14:36another degree become dadi although i i think that they have an idea of what of what they have at
14:43that
14:43point become dadi as we've talked about before 5.3 million dollar player option next year we are
14:50exactly from the time we're recording this a month away one month away from knowing whether
14:56they're going to accept or decline it they're probably going to decline it because i don't
14:58know why they're going to sign up to pay somebody who hasn't shown you really much of anything 5.3
15:03million right now um unless he has a great training camp right which but then that would have to be
15:08the
15:08training camp of all training camps because it will complicate things financially for all the extension
15:12stuff that you know is looming and things of that nature like those five million dollars are going to
15:16matter moldy awara has 5.3 million coming to him this year and next year combined okay combined not
15:24in one season like pecan daria does and i would argue that he's showing you more than daria has
15:30uh and he's been here for a lot less time so as it stands now moldy awara has two more
15:37years on his
15:37contract beyond these next two seasons it's a four-year deal but the last two aren't even fully
15:42guaranteed they're not fully guaranteed until january 10th of each season the way they structure that
15:46contract they basically paid him like a late first round pick or an early second round pick
15:50where they got to negotiate the deal like that's that's how they paid him whereas pecan daria is a
15:53former first round pick who hasn't quite worked at this point so i think there's a need looking at the
15:58bench you have jose alvarado you have deuce mcbride you have landry shamit you have andre drummond
16:04you kind of need a backup wing you kind of need a backup wing to emerge emerge i know you're
16:09going to
16:09stagger you know bridges and og ananobi i know you're going to stagger josh hart but you can use a
16:15pecan daria or a moldy awara likely moldy awara to emerge from this group so i think that's
16:21one of the main things i'll be watching for is that battle and who truly emerges we all suspect it'll
16:26be moldy awara but if pecan daria has a better camp he can make things really interesting uh in that
16:31rotation you know what i'm rooting for come monday night against philly down in philadelphia i'll be at
16:36the game first piece of the game i hope that pecan daria comes out on fire that'd be great
16:43i i would be hilarious also nine to ten from the field with five threes and all y'all out
16:51there
16:51to go crazy because you know it's gonna have defending multiple positions yeah i want to see
16:55i want to see it for him three steals two blocks also just the nick fan that's gonna just get
17:00on the high horse about it and i will say i was just say it early to you i hope
17:04that happens for
17:05pecan daddy i think it makes things interesting but i would also tell you the time so look he's
17:11still very young and some wings take a while yeah you never know i i hope that if it happens
17:16it's a
17:17great if he looks good and you are plays good in the first game again it's one preseason game but
17:21i
17:21think it's a good problem to have for the next it's the it's the michael ervin mean like what do
17:26you
17:26prepare to do about it that's that's where pecan daria is like he he's actually playing for his
17:30career like like this is not even a joke like that option gets declined you're a free agent next
17:34year there's no guarantee you'll be back we've seen first round picks just you know just go like
17:39he might he might be in france next year and not playing for the national team yeah like he might
17:43just be in france we'll see all right my number two uh was around the captain jalen brunson how does
17:49jalen brunson look coming off of wrist surgery uh as somebody who's had surgery this year i do not
17:53take surgery uh very lightly it's a mental part of it jalen brunson talked to me about it when i
18:04sat
18:04in his brace and he wasn't able to do anything and what does that look like when he starts playing
18:10these games now i don't think jalen brunson is going to play a lot in the preseason but when he
18:14does how comfortable is he not just dribbling and shooting this obviously was a shooting hand
18:19but the biggest thing for me is how do you feel about going into the lane taking contact contact
18:24excuse me how does it look like or feel when you do actually take contact all of that stuff
18:29is really going to matter to me so it's really just what's the comfortability for him another
18:34thing you can't really see in the preseason but you kind of will see more of in the regular season
18:39is
18:39what's the bounce back like what's the recovery like so even in the preseason if he does play some
18:44minutes in a game are the knicks limited in his workload the next day in practice how is that going
18:49to go about i think the knicks are going to be very cautious with him as they should jalen brunson
18:54he's been cleared he says he feels good about everything all that's fine but you don't know
18:59anything about an injury and your confidence and the mental part around it until you start
19:03playing the games and actually playing nba basketball so for me it's just really how does
19:08it look how's he bouncing back how are the knicks handling this i think they're going to be cautious
19:13with it like i said i think they know the goal is to have him ready for april may and
19:18hopefully june
19:19that is the goal still amazing he played through the injury and dropped 45 in game five but surgeries
19:26you know can take time for the confidence to come back with certain things and if he's looking good
19:31and fluid and comfortable and confident i think that's a good sign for the knicks but i still also
19:35think that the team and the fans will still want the knicks to take this costly which i think they
19:40will but i'm very intrigued to see how he looks coming off the wrist surgery yeah i think i think
19:45preseason we shouldn't see him a lot and honestly even during the regular season i wonder if they monitor
19:50his minutes at all early on i i kind of doubt it i think they'll just play him like as
19:56they normally
19:56would but you know we're gonna have to see how the contact feels how the wrist feels because
20:03he's somebody who gets fouled a lot people will swipe down not to try to re-injure him purposely but
20:08you know to try to steal the ball like it's gonna happen he's gonna have contact with his wrist it's
20:12gonna happen all season long this have how this happened the first time so i want to see how he
20:16handles it and uh if it becomes an issue something tells me that he might just be typical jayla
20:22prunson and everything will be fine because that's just kind of how it's worked out for him to this
20:26point but we'll we won't know until we actually see it unfold oh no gotta see it that's why they
20:31play the games all right i have a feeling that this has to be the same one i i have
20:35a feeling that
20:36number one is going to be the same for us it has to be the same i personally think what
20:39i have is
20:41the most important thing to watch me too well of course you're gonna feel confident about it
20:45do you have the car anthony towns contractual situation sir i do not no i do i do i do
20:54it is
20:55it is the cat and towns and i also added deuce into here for the conversation even though i think
21:01he's less likely and people can check the conversation i just had with jared schwartz
21:06about this but i think it's less likely of the two but since we both have this number one we
21:11have
21:11the overlap here now we can just talk about it what was your reaction to jake fisher reporting
21:18uh that the knicks won him at four years 200 million
21:24my reaction initially was that number feels unrealistic and probably slightly disrespectful
21:31yes both those things i made more than slightly disrespectful look and we went i don't want to
21:38belabor this because we went through this you can go check the episode we did talk about the cat
21:41extension and all that but there's discounts and taking a little bit of money in his ass might take
21:47a take a whole bunch of a chunk and i will repeat this again i know some people out there
21:52will say
21:52oh well these guys are making millions of dollars and tens of millions of dollars all the stuff
21:57it's fine you have a limited shelf life to play athletics at the highest level of whatever it is
22:03that you do um i'm never going to fault anybody in any field for doing a particularly athletics because
22:08you only have your youth and your athletic ability for so long so i'm if i'm not going to be
22:15out here
22:15saying this person shouldn't get it we don't sit there and say oh james dolan should only take less
22:21on this deal or he should charge the fans less for tickets right we don't say any of that i
22:26don't
22:27hear anybody say people that i do not that i don't hear fans complain about the tickets and we saw
22:30what
22:31just happened with the ticket situation with msg and i would say that's a legitimate point but
22:35there seems to sometimes be a little bit more vitriol for players who want to get their bag than there
22:40are sometimes for the owners that want to continue to make insane profits and that's just weird to me
22:47i don't understand those people who think that way but teach their own um so yeah i felt like that
22:54number was disrespectful i don't think that's what it is and if i listen if i was cat and they
23:01moved to four for 200 i would have been like nah like let me let me i don't think people
23:07understand
23:08this because not not all people i think some people do understand like yeah this is low-balling
23:16if if this is true and i'll couch it in the context of the nba money that you can make
23:22with
23:22a salary cap because i want to be very in the context of just cat cat in 2022 signed an
23:29extension
23:29for four years and 224 million in 2022 that's the extension that he came into in new york like it
23:38began in 2024 2025 like and this is the one that he's currently this is the deal he's on right
23:43now
23:43that's paying him 57 million this year and would pay him 61 million next year if he opts into that
23:49fourth year which obviously doesn't look like it's going to be the case because why would he do that
23:53he can get an extension now it's just a matter of getting the right number since that extension
23:58or actually i should say this first before that extension was agreed to in 2022
24:04he never been out the first round since then he's been part of three deep playoff runs one
24:09championship team two conference finals two conference finals appearances other than that
24:13so three total he's been all nba he's been an all-star three times he was an all-star three
24:18times
24:18before that extension he's been an all-star three times since then these last three seasons four for
24:24200 right that cannot happen i'm so glad that you put it in the terms of the like people need
24:30to
24:31understand like cat is a better player now than before for for all the yeah for all the fun we've
24:36had
24:36with like the offensive fouls and whatever whatever but like he's made the adjustments he's proven at
24:41least like i know he's imperfect i know there are things that he does that drives people insane when
24:45it matters but he got it done by the way he did that in minnesota too like he was part
24:51of that team
24:51that beat denver and that ended up losing in the western conference finals like it wasn't all
24:56rudy gobert's defense it wasn't all like anthony edwards on offense like cat played a big part in that
25:00which is to say he's become a better player and a winner and played winning basketball since then
25:06you cannot have him take a 24 million dollar six million dollar per year pay cut relative to his
25:12old extension you have to start this has to start if i'm cat this has to be closer to the
25:17max it has
25:18to start at 60 million per because of what other players which we've outlined what they're getting
25:23like cat cat has proven to be a better player since signing that previous extension he cannot take
25:28that pay cut yes he can take a pay cut i agree with you taking that pay cut a little
25:33too much and now
25:33listen you said can the team offer him team's always going to do it this is what i want to
25:37be
25:37very clear at this i always try to bring things back to jobs because this is still work it has
25:42to
25:42yeah yeah when you are with whatever it is you do any of our listeners our viewers when whatever it
25:48is
25:48you should do the company you work for is trying to get get you to do work at the least
25:56they can pay
25:57you right that is what they're trying to do your job you're trying to do the least amount of work
26:03you can for the most that you can get right not saying that you're lazy right it's just you like
26:08hey american dream i'm trying to not have to work as hard and get this back that's what it is
26:14so once
26:14you understand this from both sides you understand what everyone is trying to do here you have to
26:18look at it through that lens now the point you brought up that thought was really good despite all
26:21the stuff that was a great point this goes for josh hart too but specifically for cat eat if you
26:28look
26:28at all my accomplishments if you look at all my accolades and the most biggest one being i am an
26:33nba champion who was absolutely an integral part of being an nba champion and cut down some of the
26:40nonsense we had seen in terms of offensive fouls and that all that stuff what are you going to tell
26:45me
26:45i'm bringing to the table like nah that's that's too low i've done all this and then if you compare
26:51to you compare myself to the peers around me who are making in this i have names but i have
26:57that
26:57we've gone through some of those names and i have more but i haven't been as accomplished as me
27:01i'm going to want more and i know there are people out there who have worked at jobs and have
27:08been
27:08around other people who you're looking at them like what you doing you're not bringing anything
27:12to the table you're out here stealing money not saying all the people are stealing money but you
27:16know that this happens and you are telling me some of you out there listening and watching and have
27:20known you've went in and said y'all can give me a raise you weren't going to take any pay
27:24cut or you
27:25weren't going to be hey i'm going to take one for the team you're not about that life nor would
27:30you do
27:30that again i understand we're talking about tens of million dollars i understand all that you have
27:35to have it in the context of the work scope we're talking about and the accomplishments that have been
27:39made within that work scope and so for me yeah four for 200 is like that now what i always
27:45say to you
27:46brian when you see something like to come out and i'm not saying that jake fisher is wrong
27:50i'm not saying that he's a damn good reporter i'm not saying he's putting it out who wanted that out
27:55there now team cat yeah and i think they want this entire thing out there from from the from the
28:04talk
28:04of the extensions period to the number getting out like i think this is this entirely beneficial for
28:09his team i absolutely agree and stephan bonnie and i talked about this on media day because
28:12the tones and the verbiage that both cat and josh hart used on those days pretty much said y'all
28:21need
28:22to give me my money that's what it said and because as we as we talked about before it's more
28:27advantageous for the knicks if this lingers on a little bit but the if you're the players
28:33like cat should want his deal now and cat spoke about it and i brought this up in the last
28:38episode
28:38and stephan told us that that you know we look at cat last year with the yannis stuff and how
28:44that
28:44affected him a little bit and cat used the word on media day about comfortability he would like the
28:49comfortability of having this situation taken care of because i think something we saw this affect cat
28:54and this is no shade on him at all i think it would affect anybody if you don't know where
28:58your
28:58stability is you don't know what your next couple of years are going to be like yes you can be
29:01traded
29:01at any time that's sure that can happen but it's nice to know you got the years in your contract
29:06especially when you have a limited time to do something athletically right that does affect
29:10guys josh hart also talked about not knowing this how this can affect home right because your family
29:15doesn't know are we going someplace do i have to move my kids i have to put them another school
29:18these are real things and you might say you might go with the old don draper line from madman and
29:23say
29:23well that's what the money's for sure there's money there but that doesn't mean it still doesn't
29:27affect people personally and when it affects people personally then we got to start talking about
29:32well does that then affect the team does this then start to affect things in the locker room
29:35and if you're the knicks and just the guys that want the money you should not want that to happen
29:40so i actually think it behooves everybody yes to get this done in a way that as quickly as possible
29:47because josh hart also said i'm going to cut you off yeah josh hart also said uh if this is
29:52like
29:52he didn't say these exact words but he kind of said well i'll have to look at february and if
29:56things
29:56are not uh if things haven't changed by then that's something i have to reevaluate february being notable
30:00as stephan i talked about a media day because what happens in february that is the trade deadline
30:05yes what i'm saying is josh hart and carl t towns chose their words very wisely deuce too on monday
30:12also deuce because i don't think he has as much leverage to a lesser extent kind of played it more
30:18down the line yeah i would say yeah that's not shade to do and cat has the same leverage cat
30:23has more
30:23leverage than josh hart because josh hart still has the option for next year team option team option
30:28while cat is a player option but i think people need to understand like the the difference is not
30:33just 76 million it's almost 20 million per year from the max that cat can get to the four to
30:40200
30:41and even if and i've thrown out the number four for 240 because that's 60 million on average and
30:49he's supposed to get 61 million next year if he opts in like he can just get 61 million if
30:53he wants to
30:54opt in so like that's that makes sense as a starting point starting point still 36 million
31:00short of his max that's almost 10 million a year that he would miss out on like that's not an
31:06insignificant thing and the four for 200 like for people who would say oh that's 50 million a year
31:10that's a lot of money he's getting like laurie marken in money he's getting less than paul george
31:15he's getting less than trae young he's getting less than joelle and bead he's getting less than jamal
31:18murray and the aaron fox and jaron jackson jr does hasn't he proven that he's a different caliber
31:25player now yeah that's that's but that's it that is like this is how this is how we need to
31:29look at
31:29this it's not about like oh 50 million dollars is a lot of money it's like i can also get
31:34276 it's
31:36almost 70 million per year whatever it is people if people care people have pride in their work
31:41you have pride in what you do when you come hopefully some people don't pride in their work i've met
31:45those people but you would like to have pride in your work and what you come and do so if
31:49you do
31:49and you're looking at peers that you've outperformed because this is a performance-based industry yeah of
31:54course you're going to bring these up and listen and he's doubled he's doubled his all-star appearances
31:59since signing that contract i'm also not totally shading the knicks for if the four for 200 is the
32:05right offer if it yeah because i understand this is business this is how it works yeah yeah right it's
32:10not personal it's business the company is going to try to get you for as little as they can pay
32:15you
32:16if cat automates says yeah i'll sign four for 200 james dolan company they're popping champagne guys
32:21yeah the deal will be done they'll be done right now how soon can you sign right that's what they're
32:26going to do because that's just what it is and it's you i'm always going to support everybody and
32:33every employee for knowing their worth yeah that is something i'm 100 going to support so josh hart
32:40cat they're going to know their worth but i think their message has been clear y'all need to pay
32:45us
32:45what we're worth or at least give us the security that we are looking for with the requisite pay
32:51so that we can feel more comfortable right going through the season especially for two guys who are
32:57now over 30 and this is probably their last contract both of them all that stuff matters
33:02deuce is a little bit different and i think deuce can get a good bag from a number a number
33:08of different
33:09teams but with these two dudes this is probably their last chance at like big money which is also
33:13why you don't want to take a short especially with you know very physical styles of play guys who
33:19have had injuries in the past like pretty significant ones as well this is this is too much at stake
33:27and
33:27i'm sure given what we've heard what we've seen from them that they love it here they want to stay
33:32here i'm sure that they're willing to take less than their max but within reason the last thing i'm
33:38gonna say on this is what i am intrigued about it going through is this is going to be asked
33:43throughout
33:43the preseason um from the media and will it become a point where the guys were sure glad to talk
33:51about
33:51it on media day i don't i think because of the way this team particularly led by jalen brunson there
33:57will become a point where they don't want to talk about it and i would agree where it would become
34:01too much and that's not a fault the media has to ask these questions it's an important question to
34:05ask that's why nicole jokic did what he did in media day and said i'll sign next year if they
34:09want
34:09to have me that's it that's it now the situation is a little different but in his situation leverage and
34:15all that but i don't are similar yes i do think it'll be interesting to see when they're like okay
34:21this is enough some guys don't want to have contract extensions start to go past with the
34:26start of the season when they start playing games some people like to leave the business out of it
34:32um josh hart both i think is somebody who like you said because of the fact that he has a
34:36team
34:37option attached to his i think he'd like to get it done but just cat because of what we've seen
34:40from him and i will keep bringing up the point by steph and he has a great one he has
34:44a lot of
34:44he's got the leverage and we know when cat maybe hasn't you know felt the comfortability
34:50around him because he wants to be here he talked about it the other day i want to be here
34:54i've
34:54rooted for this team since i was a kid i've won a championship here i love it here in new
34:57york all
34:57this other stuff just got married and some people will say probably wants to stay here some people
35:01will say and i think this is stupid so i'm gonna just say this out here well he wants to
35:04be here
35:04why doesn't he take the four for 200 have you ever not earned or known your worth because i would
35:11say
35:11like i don't whoever's saying that i would wonder do you think that little of yourself
35:14and what you've done if you've any accomplished anything you would want better for yourself
35:17right like would you take 50 grand when you know you could get 70 would you take 100 grand when
35:23you
35:23could when you know you can get 130 and you and like these are the percentages we're more or less
35:27and you legitimately have proof to show this is what you're worth that's the other part of it
35:31it's not like it's i think i'm worth this and you're like no no i've done this this this this
35:35right right like and i can show you doubled my all-star appearances since i signed that extension
35:39prior doubled them and have won a title this is what's happening at the negotiation table i hope
35:44we can look at this with nuance i hope we can look at this from a human perspective and understand
35:48how
35:49business works we'll see i i don't think it'll become a distraction i asked stuff about this other
35:54day i don't think it'll become a distraction because of just how this team is wired and the leadership
36:01on this team i don't think so but i do like i support the players in the moves they've made
36:06and the way they've put their messaging out yeah because they know like one injury happens
36:11and yeah that leverage that we're talking about you know what i mean like this is the thing
36:16especially now now in this climate where everybody's getting hurt like and cat's been hurt before like
36:22he's had multiple seasons he's had multiple seasons a few years ago where he played just 29 games
36:27and uh before that he has a season earlier his career was covet impacted but still only played
36:3235 games don't know how much he would have played otherwise it takes one injury you know like he's
36:36had injuries before he's also again above 30 years older than 30 720 games in his career all starts
36:43all big minutes first career average 34 minutes a game like there's a lot of wear and tear there
36:47which is also why the knicks are probably like look we don't want to pay x amount but this is
36:52also
36:52why cat and his team evidently have a sense of urgency in getting this done but cat has a leverage
36:58here because if he is serious about not that he would want to go anywhere but if he were serious
37:04about wanting to hit the open market basically and test out free agency i mean he'll get money
37:11from somebody and then that that adds a funkiness to your build now because it's like well cat's not
37:16there for for all his imperfections and things of that nature he's still ultimately a damn good
37:23player which is why he's been held to a high standard and he met that standard for a lot of
37:26people last year and exceeded it i think even for a lot of people last year particularly in the playoffs
37:30going to be interesting to watch those are our top three things to watch with the knicks this
37:34preseason preseason games tip off for the knicks on monday october 5th they'll be down in the city of
37:40brotherly love playing the sixers we'll see who plays in that one that's going to do it for this
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37:53in this preseason do you agree with us that the top thing should be the knicks contract situation for
37:59some of the players is that something you're looking at or is it something else let us know
38:03what you think that is my guy brian fonseca i'm dexter henry we'll catch you next time
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