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00:13what's good everybody welcome back to another edition of new york got games your boy dexter
00:17henry with my guy brian fonseca we are very close to the start of the season we are almost done
00:24with these exhibition games or as my guy stephan bondi likes to call them scrimmages which you
00:29close to call it in high school but friendlies whatever the hell you want to say in the football
00:33um that's it but the knicks they are looking to finalize their roster and at the time of us
00:40recording this they have one preseason game left thank god and they are trying to decide what
00:45they're going to do with that 14th roster spot the 14th guaranteed contract they can give out
00:50so we're going to discuss that today who deserves the final roster spot could be spots we'll get to
00:56that as well too here on this next roster brian i know you're excited about training camp preseason
01:02roster battles i am actually yeah you would be you would be the preseason games as you as you see
01:09that they're not the most uh not the most aesthetically pleasing at times and you know
01:14i'm not even just saying this because we saw what a million point blow out last night from the time
01:19we're recording this but it's more so like it's preseason basketball it's very different from
01:23regular season which is also very different from the playoffs some people don't even like regular
01:27season basketball so imagine yeah somebody out there is concerned that the knicks haven't won a
01:30preseason game and i would suggest you go touch some grass that's what i would suggest you do
01:34uh when you look at how this team is constructed with the knicks as we know mostly the most of
01:39the
01:39roster set and you look at this final roster spot should the priority be adding a big man
01:44or simply going with the best player available here i look at this roster and i'm like okay
01:52there's two screaming needs at me to fill this out two and we're talking about one spot unless
01:59yeah yeah we'll get to later we'll get to yeah um one is an emergency big man because you have
02:07just
02:07two centers on your roster right now and one of whom in car anthony towns could obviously play
02:13for if we're still using positions and what's kind of a positionless error to some extent the other
02:19one's a backup wing if moldi awara can wake up as he did last preseason game he he finally had
02:26a good
02:26showing which we haven't seen from him in a while but also there's a body of work in a regular
02:31season
02:31that allows me to say okay moldi awara can be something like we we we know that like we see
02:37the potential there so on and so forth and then with pacom dadia like they're both competing for that
02:43backup wing spot because if you look at the bench as we mentioned many times over it's very small
02:50and then there's andre drummond you kind of need somebody in between to blend those positions to blend
02:56the jose alvarado deuce mcbride yeah landry shammett andre german lineup you need somebody there
03:01who can be essentially a combo forward um i don't know if bruce brown is definitely that
03:07because he's small also but we know what he is and he's been a good player and i don't really
03:14care
03:14about the preseason production as it pertains to him or lack thereof because i've seen what he does
03:20what he can do when it matters and then the the backup big spot which we'll talk more about
03:27yeah i do think that's a need because you're just thin there and none of the two-way guys that
03:31you
03:32have are going to play center yeah i don't i don't see it this i think they definitely need to
03:37get a
03:37third big because you don't want to go into the media season just the way the roster is balanced
03:41you don't want to go into the situation where cat gets hurt andre drummond gets hurt and you're like
03:47ah what are we what are we really doing here you want to feel like you got somebody you're throwing
03:53if necessary and look it's a season we just we think there's going to be some load management here
03:56through the season injuries hopefully not bad knocking on wood here are going to happen so you
04:04you want to be protected and i think that's the spot where a lot of knicks fans and i actually
04:09even
04:09believe the organization doesn't feel really comfortable they showed us that yes as i've said
04:16many times throughout the summer and into the preseason here they've shown us that but i guess
04:21okay i guess we can go here they signed andre drummond as the backup and i talked to coach
04:28brown about this the other day i asked him about andre drummond and what he's like for him in the
04:33preseason defensively because he's had he had three blocks um against minnesota he had three blocks
04:38against philly and you know there's a little bit of concern with his rim protection numbers and i asked
04:43him about that and just to sum it up coach brown said look i'm not as concerned about that about
04:48the
04:49blocks he was like i like seeing shots altered which i happen to agree with him like coach always
04:53used to tell me this blocks are an overrated stuff and he said it's the communication that he really
04:58is liked from him yes and i was like okay that's that was a really good answer from coach brown
05:03and
05:03just talking about the communication and he's really feels like he's communicating with the team at a
05:07high level so that was not eye-opening to me but just felt like it's something good to hear
05:11it's one of those details you notice but based on what we've seen from andre drummond this preseason
05:18are you comfortable with the mix center depth are you more comfortable than you were in the summer
05:21after they signed him and how much you think whether they are comfortable that or not should
05:27influence their final roster decision here i mean i'm kind of just neutral because i'm not i'm not gonna
05:32you know off of preseason just say hey now all of a sudden because he has so basically you got
05:37to see
05:38more yeah like he has what six blocks in the preseason so now i'm like oh it's it's over you
05:43know what i mean if that's the case if that's the case then why would i not overreact to him
05:47shooting 38 from the field in the preseason as a center you know what i mean like to me it's
05:53just
05:53like when you signed him it was of the mindset that he would be the backup center at least for
05:58the
05:59start of the season as you sort of figure it out the knicks themselves have told you we also want
06:04to exhaust other options because they made a play for musa sisse and reportedly made some calls about
06:08eve misi so on and so forth like they understand as we've talked about extensively uh they they want
06:15to at least shore up the position not that it's a vote of uh confidence one way or the other
06:20or lack
06:21of confidence one way right it's just a matter of they understand they need to fill out some depth
06:26with some size andre drummond for for as long as he's been in the league obviously has an opportunity
06:33here to be a backup center and see what he can give this team that's you know he's not mitchell
06:38robinson but can he give them a different element so to speak i'm kind of just neutral on this though
06:42because it's the preseason like i need to see what it looks like when the games matter yeah i i
06:46want to
06:46see when he's really tested in pick and roll situation when he's really tested in space that's
06:51what i want to see i i will take from the coaching staff that they like how his communication is
06:56i do think that's good i do think that's important that doesn't surprise me either he's he's been in the
07:01league for 15 16 years yeah so i i agree with you on this i think this is going to
07:06be about
07:07how he's really tested in the regular season when we see him in pick and roll actions right when we
07:13see him having a defendant space that's when it's really going to matter for me to see that i don't
07:18think you can put too much stock into postseason now i am encouraged by what coach brown said about
07:22his communication and maybe to some degree you shouldn't be that shocked in that this is a guy
07:26he's played in the league for quite some time so he's a veteran he's worked with different guys
07:31he knows how to communicate but what's it going to be like when the games are real and people are
07:35really putting him in action right i'm with you it's not that's not any shade to andre drummond or
07:41anything it's just the numbers defensively have declined and we saw what we saw from him in the
07:47postseason last year how the knicks were able to attack him like very like very easily right
07:51attack him so other teams other teams have the tape they've seen the tape too like there are
07:57knicks fans who were championing andre drummond uh you know the signing of andre drummond who were
08:02shitting on him in the playoffs because of how he performed against the knicks so i mean if we want
08:07to have it both ways here like i'm not gonna i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say he's
08:13he's
08:14terrible he's this he's i just we'll see during the regular season yeah that's kind of i know a lot
08:18of
08:18people have flip-flopped on him just because he's on their team now and i get it he's also never
08:23been
08:23like an elite elite elite rim protector he's an elite rebounder he's been an elite rebounder
08:28he's one of the best rebounders of all time he's he's like never been an elite rim protector right
08:34and again i'm not and i i was clear he needs to be either right and i was clear in
08:39my question to
08:40coach brown that because he had said it and i used his words and he said nobody's going to be
08:46mentioned
08:46we're not comparing him to be mentioned not asking him to be mentioned what i think we're asking here
08:51is when you look at the depth and everything is he going to hold up defensively in the postseason
08:56that's it when you're playing better teams when they're going to try to attack your weakness more
09:00that's my question is he going to hold up in the postseason it doesn't mean that andre drummond
09:04can't be fined through the regular season and i hope he does if he does it's great for the knicks
09:08i
09:08i hope that that happens that's what he was signed for yeah it's just i watch the games
09:13right and we're here to talk about the truth of what we see and what we know um i i'm
09:19happy for
09:19andre drummond i want to see him do well in new york back home i like andre drummond um i
09:24and i'm
09:24happy to hear the communication is good from the coaching staff now it's got to just translate to
09:29when players do attack him and if he holds up it's gonna be fine yeah if he doesn't then there's
09:33going to be options and even if he's great even if he kills it in this role i still think
09:39you need
09:39an emergency center oh oh no i agree like that point that point remains because if for nothing
09:45else injuries yeah if for nothing else yeah because if one of cat or andre drummond go down for like
09:51a
09:51month you are scrambling at that point to try to fill minutes and if it's cat then forget and look
09:57the center position the market out there i should say it's thin the sixers just lost ariel huck porty
10:03in the first preseason game and i was there and saw that too torn achilles uh again well soon uh
10:07huck got a chance to talk to him after that game but look it's thin and they they are feeling
10:13like
10:13they need another big so it's really thin this brings us then to james wiseman and is he the
10:20answer because that is the question on the mind i think a lot of knicks fans is james wiseman the
10:26answer here now look stephan bondy's talked to us about this he entered the preseason as the favorite
10:32is currently the favorite to win the final spot that's all we've been hearing uh here at the post
10:38but we'll get into more of that later from what you've seen from wiseman is anything that suggests
10:45that he's ready to contribute to a championship team and what concerns do you still have about
10:50his game if any or you on the james wiseman train like yo he's ready he can contribute to a
10:54championship
10:54team whether it's at the third center whether he slides into that backup role at some point
10:59where are you on james wiseman i mean of all the guys that they brought in in the training camp
11:04he
11:04was the one i was most interested in and i think a lot of other people would would have been
11:08for the
11:08same reasons and i wasn't i had him kind of low remember we ranked and i was kind of like
11:12i don't i don't know but for but for me it was the upside swing does he and he's still
11:20very young i
11:21think he's 24 25 in that range 25 25 so there's still like you have to see if something's there
11:29and obviously we've talked about these seven footers before they just get opportunity after
11:33opportunity because it's just hard to find that combination of size and athleticism in the case
11:38of james wiseman who was also like you know your draft position does stay with you for a while yeah
11:44and i think people stay on that stuff too much i agree like something like oh he's a four
11:48all number one to pick and i'm like there's more to it than that yeah like i think people get
11:53caught
11:53up in that too much i agree i just think front off with front offices that may buy them something
11:57especially because of how raw he was like he played three games in college and just to be just so
12:02you
12:02clear so people understand when you're saying it might buy the front office is something you mean
12:07a new front office that takes this guy's a reclamation project yeah yeah yeah okay gotcha yeah or or
12:13or like for the knicks for example where they're like hey let's let's we want a title whatever let's
12:19see if why not we see if we can get a diamond in the rough right who's been and he
12:23has a unique
12:23situation because of all the injuries and because just the lack of time that we've actually seen him
12:27play consistently um he's never really been like a full-time starter at any point in his career he
12:32started a bunch of games but only like a third of the games that he's played and he's only played
12:35in 152
12:36which is two seasons worth of nba basketball in total so but the reason i'm intrigued by him is
12:43what we've seen like the finishing around the rim the athleticism uh what he can do defensively has
12:49always been more of a theory than when in practice so to speak and that could be an adventure at
12:54times
12:55but to me i would have him as as a front runner for that last spot because you're thinking of
13:02like
13:02the potential and in the event and this is exactly where he should be well maybe not where he should
13:08be relative to the draft position but where he should be right now is if he's the third center
13:14okay you're not going to play every day but you are going to play because injuries do happen
13:19i don't know if the cat injury situation gets weird to the point where he's like you know what i'm
13:23going to sit out a little bit longer contract because you don't have the yeah yeah so i so i
13:27don't
13:27know if weisman is going to have to play as a result if cat wants to sit out a little
13:31bit longer if he
13:32gets dinged up or whatever the case would be i don't know but weisman just has like he has those
13:37tools that got him picked second overall and legitimately was like one of the two or three
13:43best prospects coming into that draft with uh anthony edwards and lamello ball i think it was that
13:47class it was so yeah to me he's he's been the most interesting guy and that hasn't changed so he
13:55he's
13:56looked fine he's done some good things athletically the rebounding finishing inside like you said
14:04that's been a lot better than andre drummond has been in the preseason yeah for whatever whatever
14:09that's worth preseason it's just preseason don't get too high too low right we said the same thing
14:12with summer league yeah the concern for me with him if i still have a concern about his game is
14:18what
14:18everybody you talk to uh that's around him or been around them covered him coach him and i did speak
14:22to
14:22some people and it's the defense now when i was sitting in philadelphia for granted first preseason
14:28game i was watching very closely how he handled pick and roll situations wasn't that tactical heavy
14:33but he recovered pretty well and i was like okay all right like he did you always want to wear
14:38your
14:38best shirt on the first day of school yo fair point so fair point every every everybody's everybody's
14:45uh always fresh on the first day of school like i'll be honest with y'all we're we're not going
14:49to be
14:49talking about these preseason games in like two weeks like we're just going to be talking about
14:53what we see at the regular i'll be honest i ain't gonna be talking about it after the last
14:57let's just keep it a buck i'm not going to be doing that that's for sure like none of that
15:00like again
15:01if andre driven's awesome that's what we're going to be talking about and if he's not that's what we're
15:05going to be talking about the real for real but i did see some i thought he's been moving his
15:10feet
15:10pretty well i think he's been holding his own defensively i'm i am 100 positive that the coaching staff
15:17has focused on that with him more than anything because overall yes because if anything is going
15:22to keep him on the floor when he does get opportunities it's going to be how he defends
15:27y'all can get all excited about the dunks and athleticism and if he snatches a board i'll be
15:31honest with you that's nice and that's cool but if he is a turnstile nobody's going to care well mike
15:38brown will care and he will not be on the floor trust me yeah please like for that it's gonna
15:42be
15:42defense i'm rooting for this young man i hope he could turn this into a position where they can
15:46trust him enough defensively it'd be a great it'd be a fantastic story for the knicks and so
15:51i was on the side of like ah don't care as much in terms of interest with him but i
15:58applaud the
15:58knicks for giving him a chance it seems like development is going good everything sounds good
16:02with him i just hope he can keep up that focus on the defensive end that's my concern but we
16:07gotta
16:07but i'll move to this your boy tony bradley um along with drew eubanks they're also competing
16:14for that third center spot and there is a there is a decision you can kind of discuss here right
16:18because the knicks i think we we both agree they don't they need another big man but is wiseman clearly
16:25the best choice of those three because some people might say hey you're going for the upside with
16:28wiseman but with bradley and eubanks you know what you're getting maybe you were bradley
16:33bradley more so bradley more so bradley played well in the minnesota game taken for what it's
16:37worth yeah um is is wiseman clearly the best choice or have bradley or eubanks done enough to
16:43maybe change your thinking so this is this is why this is a fascinating decision if it comes down to
16:48the centers which we'll get to some of the mechanisms i think in a second but the thing
16:53that's interesting to me is you have a choice of two options one do you want your emergency center
17:00to be the upside guy if that's the case then there's only one option is james wiseman or do
17:05you want it to be safe steady maybe a higher floor in theory more reliable potentially like
17:13defensively then that's where you look at a tony uh bradley or drew eubanks i i think more so tony
17:19bradley but i'd lean more tony i'd absolutely more tony bradley yeah you saw him in back-to-back
17:24playoffs playoff series or playoffs i should say because he was with the hawks and the pacers last year
17:29like you know you know what the floor is like he's he can he can come in this is what
17:34you're
17:34looking for in in third string center if you're going for a vet specifically you want someone to
17:39come in set screens help protect the rim communicate finish around the basket that's really it you know
17:48like shooting threes and whatever is a bonus a mid-range jumper that's a bonus but like you're
17:53just looking for those things rotating at the right times helping defending without fouling too much
18:01although if you foul four times in eight minutes i don't think anyone's going to care her in an
18:05emergency situation and you're just looking for that person to be able to survive eight ten twelve
18:10fifteen minutes stints or maybe not stints not outings i should say i'd say yes part of me part of
18:17me i was like fifteen minutes then so so yeah that'd be a lot for anybody really uh say for
18:22a finals game
18:22so yeah to me it would be wiseman one bradley two eubanks three and then the one or two becomes
18:31a
18:31discussion of do you want the safe pick or do you want that is the question that's the question that's
18:35really what it comes down to i personally would go with the upside sway i think i would too because
18:42i'm always like you can fix that later if you need to yeah and get a little safer you can
18:48readjust so
18:48take the upside the upside even hits and upside exceeds expectations it's like found money right
18:54you're like oh this is good the safe pick and here's the thing i know you're rooting for your boy
19:00you want to see him get his mb i genuinely like i like i like a bunch of the guys
19:05we're talking
19:05about like you know what i mean and tony bradley he's he's fighting for this pension man this
19:09that's what i'm saying i know you want your boy there's a lot on the line here too and i
19:12think i
19:13think i think all of these three uh and four if you want to throw an andre drummond i think
19:17they've
19:17had pre-season things that are positive sure you know what i mean i think they've had like they've
19:22had like good moments in the pre-season yeah i thought tony bradley as i said i thought he had
19:26some good minutes particularly against minnesota i was there to see that a great pick and roll finish
19:29he just looks like he just plays like a pro like a pro and there is value to that yeah
19:33and i understand that
19:34value so it's going to be interesting what the knicks do there however this is where bruce brown
19:38enters the chat because friend of the show uh friend in general ian begley had talked about the
19:46other day that the knicks are very impressed with bruce brown there's still a good chance among people
19:50within the knicks that he could make the roster and stephan stefan body and i've talked about this
19:55in order for this to happen guys the knicks would have to create another roster spot
20:01so they would have to move some people now we will get to that in one second but here's the
20:07value i
20:07think that you have we're talking about value of players with bruce brown he's a guy that played all
20:1182 games last season for denver right reliable guy after coming back from injury he's got a championship
20:17on the resume we know that as well too and played well during the playoff yep is i i wonder
20:25is he still even competing for this final spot even though the knicks don't his position is not
20:30the next biggest positional need we both agree that it's center yeah he's like the perfect josh
20:34hart backup that's what he is so do you do you like is he really competing in this situation do
20:40you
20:40think the knicks like him that much that they were like hey we need the josh hart backup on this
20:44roster
20:45the difficulty with him is i've been saying the team is small yeah and six four guys yeah right
20:52who is another six like josh hart plays above his height he does he plays like he's six and you
20:58love
20:58this he plays like he's six foot seven six foot eight like he does you know um he's not like
21:05a
21:05horrendous three-point shooter he's just not always a super willing one which i think is the reason he's
21:09in the position he's in now which i think is unfair to the player that he is he's actually a
21:13real good basketball player he has good feel he's a great cutter he has good instincts he knows how
21:18to play on winning teams he defends defends multiple positions and can do it well the issue
21:22is the fit on this particular team this would more so be a conversation if you had injury or if
21:27you're
21:27worried about josh hart long term because he keeps playing through you know his injury and he keeps
21:32saying like yo if i get this surgery i'm done so i'm just gonna keep playing through it and you
21:36already have a team where coming off the bench jose is gonna get minutes deuce barring a trade is
21:41gonna get minutes and landry shaman's gonna get minutes so i think it's two things with bruce brown
21:47one if you're if he's going to stay he's kind of going to be sitting next to jordan clarkson i
21:53mean
21:54like you're gonna play sometimes and when you do play you'll probably play a decent amount because of
21:59maybe it's an injury or whatever else but that's going to be his veteran role and the other thing is
22:05we don't know what's going to happen with these contracts because cat obviously like the knicks
22:10don't want to do this deal now cat wants the deal to be done soon which you know for reasons
22:15that
22:15we've already talked about extensively uh that lingering can be uncomfortable and then you go
22:20a rung down josh hart similarly but he has a team option for next year he doesn't have the leverage
22:26cat does but deuce is a free agent next year so i don't think they're going to trade deuce today
22:32like right now but this is something we're we're going to be monitoring from now to february
22:39and if you told me they actually had something done imminently this is where bruce brown makes
22:44a lot of sense because he can play with jose and landry shaman together well with that being said
22:51and i'm going to repeat this again i think it's interesting you brought that up the knicks could
22:56shed some salary this would have to happen via trade to add bruce brown to the roster on a
23:02guaranteed spot but here's the thing this is my thing when we talk about all some some people
23:08because some people be like yo put bruce brown on the roster veteran for all the reasons i mentioned
23:12available champions performed on the players all this stuff some people are going to say put him on
23:16the roster i don't care but you're gonna have to move somebody out of somebody or some multiple
23:21people possibly out of here who are you moving okay and which teams are going to willing to be willing
23:28to take those players now that's the key you look talking about a tyler kolek possibly that could be
23:34talked to talked into that it's one of three people it's your boy picom dadia yeah and then there's deuce
23:40and then there's deuce who is easily the knicks best trade asset because if we're talking about what what
23:46i would probably push for if i were in that front office like if i were well let's get to
23:53the first
23:53part would you be pushing for bruce brown to make this roster yes yes so okay this this will inform
24:00something i have to ask you later yeah so you would push for bruce brown to make this roster then
24:04okay
24:04how are you pushing to make that happen okay let me explain why first dad i don't think daddy is
24:10long
24:10for this team regardless he has a team option for next year worth yes you picked up by halloween
24:15five they're not they're not doing they're not doing no um so obviously if you can get something
24:20for dotty a i mean you probably would have done the deal already but if you can get something for
24:23dotty a then yeah there's your answer that's one um and you don't to be clear he's not worth five
24:29million now he would be worth five million 5.3 million next year right now it's a shade under three
24:34million uh tyler kolek who i think you'd get more for although i don't know what that would look like
24:40he has 2.3 million this year and about 2.5 next year team option that one you're probably going
24:46to
24:46pick up and he's an interesting trade piece because you already have a long-term commitment to jose
24:52alvarado for the next three years though the first this year and next year are fully guaranteed the
24:57year after is not because those front offices just practice voodoo and just get guys to take
25:03non-guaranteed true front office moves it's insane at a discount mind you um but jose alvarado
25:10regardless he's there and it's like where's the pathway to tyler kolek playing consistently barring
25:14injury and if that's the case another team may say hey he could be our backup point guard we'll
25:22actually give you something for him like what are you taking back oh it's probably just pick
25:27compensation and somebody you'd wave for matching salary purposes you know but it's like it's like
25:32can you get some seconds more seconds you know or something along those lines can you get multiple
25:37seconds and a matching contract that you would just wave kind of like what they did with dale and
25:41terry or actually they rerouted him you get the point like or maybe there's someone you want to
25:46reroute i don't know and then with with deuce which would surprise me today i don't think they're doing
25:52this now but he's about worth four million and we've said i think in an open market and true open
25:58market like he'll get him he'll get a deal he'll get a good deal which is to say he has
26:02trade value
26:02right now because of how complimentary he is i wouldn't be trying to send him out the door i would
26:06i would go dotty a first and then i will see what the colec market is but i'd prefer obviously
26:11to trade
26:12dotty i just don't think you're getting much for him because again if you were he'd be out the door
26:16by
26:16now but to me i would be looking to do one of those things so that i can add a
26:21bruce brown
26:21because i don't think any of those three guys are going to be here long term maybe not even
26:27beyond this season and it's like i could have bruce brown for the year and have a vet on the
26:31roster
26:32a connector and all these different things that we've talked about and then i could add a wiseman
26:36or a tony bradley to shore up my center position i wonder if my thought is are you able to
26:41do a
26:41combination of something of what you just said i agree with you i think teams will come calling
26:47about deuce mcbride yeah i don't think maybe colec to a lesser extent too oh no i think teams will
26:53call about too because i think you hit the nail on the head i think teams can look at him
26:56and say
26:56okay i could see him at least as our backup point guard or they don't feel comfortable about their
27:01point guard situation or backup point guard situation hey let's give him a shot here and
27:05might be willing to give up a couple second rounders just throwing that out there two second rounders
27:08matching salary they can even extend him immediately but well there's a short window
27:13but because colec's salary is so small you would likely have to pair him with somebody else to free
27:19up that money so you could then sign bruce brown to a guaranteed deal at the vet's minimum unless the
27:26other person you get is just somebody who's just a rookie who or somebody on a rookie scale contract
27:31or a veteran contract who's just not gonna that's the less than that's less than colec and right
27:37right that too yeah yeah it's a technicality but it's a technicality but yes yeah would you maybe
27:43want to combine him with a dottie and try to attach the two of them together now the problem is
27:50i think
27:50when you put dottie in a deal most people gonna be like well i need you to give me something
27:54that
27:55because that's just where we are because they're like well we don't want to take up the fourth year
27:58option either it's 5.4 million for somebody who hasn't shown us anything so if you wanted but if you
28:03say this team is going to take him for relief like what teams are you talking about now we're talking
28:07about the kings i thought of the pelicans the pelicans again although i don't i don't know
28:12what their roster is their roster is weird they have a whole bunch of guards they have a bunch of
28:17everything kind of yeah so it's like i don't know exactly what they need some maybe memphis another
28:22team just looking to take on some kind of just looking at rebuilding teams looking that's what
28:26you're doing yeah rebuilding teams looking to make a swing looking at somebody i do think
28:29coler could be attractive to teams i don't know how much value dottie has i think he needs to try
28:33to shop him again they have been he played in the minnesota game he was one of the he was
28:38the first
28:39wing off the bench because he came on before mohammed iwara in that one um started over i'm intrigued by
28:46the fact i'm intrigued by the fact he had two threes in that game i'm intrigued by the first one
28:50game you
28:50started oh four four from three it might have been actually might have been the rapids game yesterday
28:53yeah i'm intrigued by the fact that the knicks are considering bruce brown and so i'm wonder if this
29:01tells you they're they're having these same conversations they're like all right it feels
29:06like they want to figure out a way to keep them and it's like how do they make it work
29:09well i think
29:12listen and i know there's a colic hive out there and i like tyler colic and i think tyler colic
29:18has
29:19had some developments game you see he's got a little bit stronger this year seems to be finishing a
29:23little bit better in preseason i guess preseason but if you want bruce brown on the roster and you want
29:30his kind of veteran-ness and as you said josh hart backup a perfect backup for josh hart does some
29:37similar things you don't have to move off of one of these young guys and who you're not keeping
29:43long term i want to be i want to stress that point like none of these guys are going to
29:47be here long
29:47term daddy is not going to be here next year the only young guy in this roster i think that
29:51you feel
29:52just because it positionality and where he is is diwara and you still need to see more development
29:56from him but he's not in this he's not in this conversation no i'm not putting it and then more
29:59and more it feels like deuce is not going to be back because of all the contractual and second
30:05apron things the tea leaves seem to appear to be moving that way yeah and then and then it's like
30:09maybe colec is on the roster next year if you you you will take the option but are you going
30:15to accept
30:15the but but other than accepting the option like he's he'll still might be a trade i agree and back
30:22to
30:23deuce i don't think any of them do they're going to be here on this team next year steph brought
30:25dude deuce up the other day when we talked about bruce brown because he's like because of he knows
30:31people are going to be calling i'm not putting word stuff mouth but you know people are going to call
30:34about deuce so his name is going to be brought up there i'm with you i don't think he gets
30:38moved
30:39at this point in the season i just don't surprise that i don't see that surprised me a little bit
30:43i'd be
30:44not as surprised at the trade deadline depending on what the situation what some needs are but i don't see
30:48it at this point in the season all right as we wrap here let's try to make the call on
30:53this one
30:54who gets the final roster spot so if you're leon rose you got one roster spot to fill
31:00who are you giving it to what's the reason that player deserves to make this team who are you going
31:05with if it's just one and not the two that we were just talking about where you have to make
31:09some
31:09moves or whatever then it's still james wiseman he just it's just too big of a need to not have
31:14a center there and as much as i do like uh tony bradley uh fighting for that 10th year um
31:21i think
31:22i think it's james wiseman it's james wiseman because of the upside potentially because of the
31:28finishing ability potentially because of what he can do and because you you don't have to play him
31:34right away which is i think a great thing here you have a system you have a situation where he
31:40just
31:40does not have to play immediately barring an injury then you're gonna have to throw him in
31:45there and see what happens but you can kind of just continue to nurture him and develop him i know
31:50it's
31:50a weird thing to say about somebody who's 25 and entering the seventh year that they've been an nba
31:55player essentially but he also he's been injured he hasn't played that much you know he's he's been
32:01raw like his entire career so you still don't know what you're getting but to have that talent in the
32:08door and see how he deals with sort of the ups and downs of playing and not playing but being
32:13a
32:13part of a now winning culture and a winning team a team that just won a championship i think that's
32:18worth uh even making a small investment into to see what you can do so to me james wiseman will
32:24get
32:25that roster spot i think you yeah i'm with you on this if it comes down to one if it
32:29comes down to one
32:30yeah i'm taking james wiseman i just think the center position is too volatile we talked about the injury
32:36stuff all that stuff already the upside but i think you've got to go with wiseman if you're
32:41going to do that it's just too much of a need we we did episodes this summer on who could
32:47the next
32:47side is their third center like we literally had episodes on this and looked through options
32:51and wiseman was one of them wiseman was one of them and to me he's earned it from what we've
32:57seen this
32:57far and and we've heard from everything from the practices to the games he's earned it i think that
33:03part matters too and it just fills the need so i think you've got to go with the need one
33:07last
33:07thing before we get out of here because when you look back to last year and some people say oh
33:12it's
33:12pre-season oh it's training camp none of this stuff matters down the stretch these final spots no it
33:16does last year landry shannon he won a training camp battle now to be clear in our full context
33:22it probably was going to go to malcolm brogdon but malcolm brogdon shockingly retired
33:28now well josh john conchar thought that he's gonna be here too and then he was not however
33:35landry shammett did win that spot right and he made many important contributions not just through
33:43the regular season but through that championship run it helped that he was on the team the year
33:47before too even if i think that does too even if it was brief with that being said and i'm
33:53gonna
33:54especially if it's a situation let's take this down to bruce brown and james wiseman because we
33:58think they are the true two finalists and so do they because they started them yesterday right so
34:03do they the nicks feel the same way and let's take it to the fact internally too not just there's
34:08a
34:08chance there is a chance we'll see what happens that both of them can still make this roster okay so
34:12let's put that all together so i'm just gonna when i say which one of these candidates i really mean
34:16those
34:16two i'm kind of taking everybody else out of this but tony bradley you got the bronze medal yeah the
34:23bronze medal sorry tony hope you get that pension yeah uh who do you think has the chance to be
34:29this
34:29year's version of shammett and what we saw with them last year because with these teams when you're
34:34trying to win a championship in the second apron era and i think whenever you're trying to repeat
34:39and you're trying to extend your window you need the shammets to come along you need these low-cost
34:45players to hit on you need one of these guys is do you think bruce brown or james wiseman could
34:51be this year's landry shammett definitely definitely bruce brown i bet my money more on bruce me too
34:57because i've seen him do it he's also i think from the same yeah same draft class as a landry
35:01shammett
35:01as a matter of fact in 2018 um yeah it is definitely bruce brown because i've seen him do it
35:06i've seen
35:07him do it i've seen him be a part of multiple different playoff teams multiple different deep runs
35:11one with the nets and one with denver where he averaged 12 points a game in
35:15root to a championship where i was watching him defend multiple positions at a high level i was
35:18watching him occasionally get assists uh but also cutting really well and having some games where
35:23he would rebound really well as well he was averaging four rebounds from the wing spot i think he's capable
35:27of doing even better than that which he has done before but in those playoffs he was good and in
35:32general in the playoffs like for his career he's been efficient he's been producing at a pretty high
35:37level of relative to you know what you would expect out of a role player but he just has a
35:42lot there
35:43that i think mike brown particularly would like and appreciate maybe mike brown is pushing for
35:49this i don't know like but you mike brown love landry shammett you but you but you know how you
35:54know how these coaches feel about vets vets that they can play particularly on teams that are in the
36:01stage of nixar right now that the championship team the window is now yes the window is now again
36:07it extends to this year we don't know beyond that because because of the finances and mike brown is
36:14like yo i can play this dude today i don't know if i can play dotty a i don't know
36:21where i don't know
36:24where i can play i don't know where i could play coleck because on top of having three smaller dudes
36:29come off the bench i also have jordan clarkson maybe ahead of him in the depth chart and then with
36:35deuce
36:36i can play him obviously and he's great i just don't know if the team is going to keep him
36:39beyond
36:40this year so i mean if you sign i would sign i would if i'm keeping bruce brown by the
36:46way i would
36:46sign him to a two-year deal i would also make the second year probably not guaranteed because oh look
36:52at you doing front office voodoo now no because that's what they're going to do that's what that's
36:57you that's you like i would give them i would i would give them a fully guaranteed deal but i
37:01think
37:02they're just going to be like yeah they're going to second year non-guaranteed and then bruce brown's
37:05going to accept it because leon rose is going to be like this like he's just going to be a
37:09jedi mind
37:09tricking here's the thing i i think that i do think bruce brown is the more likely of the two
37:17to become this season's version of shaman yeah definitely but
37:24if wiseman is this season's version of shaman i just want to talk about how that would look
37:29if he is this season he's not gonna be hitting threes like shaman people just to be clear yeah
37:32but if he is this season's version of shaman i think that's going to mean that he is playing
37:37really good defense mike brown is trusting him he might even at some point take the backup center
37:43role i was gonna say if like if he does that then he's the big man version of shaman this
37:48year and
37:49it would be a huge win if somehow by the time you get to april you were sitting around and
37:55james
37:55wiseman is you know playing 15 to 20 minutes a game and it's took the backup role and you're looking
38:02at
38:02him and saying i trust him with playoff minutes that would be that might even be bigger than what
38:08landry shaman did then he produces in the playoffs that's what it's going to have to look like
38:12for that to happen i trust brown more if i was a betting man on this i'd be betting on
38:18brown
38:18it's more likely to happen but wiseman if the knicks hit anything with wiseman look if he's a
38:24competent third center it's a win okay that you can put him in an emergency break last case merging you
38:29feel that's a win if he does anything beyond that i mean now you're really cooking right but we'll see
38:36i
38:37i think brown is the best version chance to do it i also kind of lean with you brian i
38:42don't again i'm
38:43not reporting this no information on this i would not be surprised if coach brown you know i'm saying
38:50this out here looking out for a fellow brown we know how coaches are man yeah he's he's like not
38:55the fellow brown part hey man sometimes you know sometimes you gotta look look they're the right
39:01person gotta look out for a fellow henry you know what i mean like you're looking out for a fellow
39:04brown i i'm just saying but no he trusts the in all seriousness he trusts the veteranness
39:09and what he can give him and you make a great point he looks at the roster he knows the
39:13money
39:14i don't know if deuce mcbride is going to be here for a long time we're trying to keep this
39:18window
39:18open i need more players i could trust and trust is a huge part of it and this team's window
39:23is now it's
39:24not like bruce brown is is old he's still in his prime and he can still give a lot to
39:28his team
39:29in closing i'll say this i think if the knicks finish their final preseason game before we go to
39:35get to monday and james wiseman and bruce brown are both on this roster i think it's a good thing
39:41for
39:41the knicks i don't think it's a bad thing at all for the knicks i think that would be a
39:45good thing
39:45makes a lot of sense i think it does make a lot of sense but we will see let us
39:49know what you think
39:49who deserves the final roster spot next do you want it to be james wiseman or bruce brown would you
39:54like
39:54it to be both maybe you have uh somebody else maybe you're like brian here and you're out here
39:59rooting for tony bradley to get that final roster spot i don't think it'll be here but he he could
40:04get some work tony bradley still has some some life left in the nba i do believe that we'll see
40:09let us
40:09know what you think in the comments that's going to do it for this edition of new york out game
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