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Yogi Adityanath discusses missing Hindu voters and political issues ahead of the 2027 Uttar Pradesh elections, highlighting voter discrepancies and caste dynamics.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching To The Point with me, Maria Shakil.
00:03Special intensive revision, ghospatiyas and a no-holds-barred attack against the Samajwadi Party.
00:10Yogi Adityanath has launched an all-out political offensive ahead of the 2027
00:15with the Pradesh Assembly elections at Pachayat Aashtak in Ayodhya.
00:19The Chief Minister trained his guns on Achillesh Yadav,
00:23accusing the Samajwadi Party chief of indulging in vote-banked politics
00:27and in protecting infiltrators.
00:29He took a direct swipe at Achillesh Yadav's PDA formula,
00:33revived his controversial ACBs or 80-20 pitch
00:38and projected a sweeping victory for the BJP-led alliance.
00:42And that's not all.
00:43The Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister also placed the special intensive revision exercise
00:47at the centre of his electoral narrative,
00:50alleging that genuine voters were missing from the electoral rolls
00:54while infiltrators needed to be identified and removed.
00:57Yogi Adityanath has brought identity politics and electoral arithmetic right
01:03to the heart of the Uttar Pradesh battle.
01:06On the show tonight, we will be decoding everything the Chief Minister has said
01:11to Aashtak Shweta Singh with our panel of guests.
01:16But first up, let's take a look at what he said specifically in the context of the SIR exercise.
01:34The Uttar Pradesh
01:53S.I.R. کے پہلے کی مداتہ سوچی بھی
01:57اور S.I.R. کے بعد
01:59جو مداتہ سوچی آئی وہ بھی سب کے پاس ہے
02:03ہم نے اس بات کو اس لئے کہا
02:05جو لوگ دوس پر چار کر رہے ہیں
02:07دیکھیں اس کے دو پہلو بہت سپسٹ ہیں
02:10ایک
02:13چناؤ جید گئے تو ان کا پرسارت ہے
02:17ہار گئے تو ای بی ام دوسی ہے
02:20پہلی بار ای بی ام کو دوسی ٹھہرایا
02:24دوسری بار
02:25S.I.R. کو دوسی ٹھہرایا
02:27بیہار میں ووٹ چوری یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
02:33ووٹ ادھکار یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
02:36الگ الگ راجیوں میں یہ لوگ
02:37الگ الگ پرکار کا ایک پروپوگنڈا کر کے
02:40ماحول کو خراب کرنے کا کچھ پریاس کر رہے ہیں
02:44یہ جو پروپوگنڈا ہے
02:48واسطوں میں یہ سچائی نہیں ہے
02:50یو پی کی سچائی کیا ہے
02:52کیوں اکھلے سیادو اکھلے سیادو کو بولو نا مانگ کریں
02:55کہ S.I.R. واپس لی لیا جائے
02:57وہ مانگ نہیں کرے گا
02:59اس لیے نہیں مانگ کرے گا
03:00کیونکہ یو پی کے اندر S.I.R. کے پہلے جتنے مسلم مداتا تھے
03:05ان مسلم مداتوں میں
03:061.65% کی بردی ہوئی ہے
03:09S.I.R. کے بعد
03:10S.I.R. کے بعد
03:12اور ہندو مداتوں کی
03:14میں نے بتایا نا کیا ستیتی ہے
03:15تو آپ کو تو نقصان ہو جائے گا
03:17میں کیا کہہ رہا ہوں
03:18اسی لئے
03:19الیکسن کمیشن میں ہم نے بھی
03:21اپنا میمورنڈم اپلبد کروایا
03:24ہم لوگوں نے اپلبد کروایا
03:26کہ آخر یہ کن کارنوں سے ہوا ہے
03:29میں 1.27.00 لاکھ
03:32ان ہندو مداتوں کی بات کر رہا ہوں
03:35جو اتر پردیس کی
03:38پنچائے چنوں میں جن کا نام ہے
03:41لیکن بھارت میں رواج نایلیوک کی مداتا سوچے میں
03:44ان کے نام نہیں ہے
03:45یہ گائب کیسے ہوئے ہیں
03:47کون اس کے پیچھے تھا
03:5066 لاکھ وے مداتا ہیں
03:5255 لاکھ مداتا
03:54وے ہندو مداتا ہیں
03:55جو ساسن کی لاپکاری
03:57یوزنائی پرابت کر رہے ہیں
03:59لیکن مداتا سوچی سے
04:00ان کا نام گائب ہے
04:0218 اور 19 ورس کے
04:04ایسے 4.5 لاکھ مداتا ہیں
04:06جن کے نام مداتا سوچی سے
04:08گائب ہیں
04:08آپ کے شاسن میں ایسا کیسے ہوگی ہے
04:10یہ شاسن کا استقصیب نہیں ہوتا
04:14یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
04:15ایک سوطنتر
04:17سمیدانیک
04:18سنستہ ہے
04:19یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
04:21اس سب کا سنچالن کرتا ہے
04:23اور انہی کے ہم نے اپیل کی ہے
04:25کہ یہ پرمان ہیں
04:26ان کے نام آپ
04:28دلوائیے اس میں مداتا سوچی سے
04:57مداتا سوچی سے
04:58we have been more on
04:59and he says
05:05congratulations
05:06in advance
05:07Akhilesh Jee
05:08so
05:08you know
05:09this of course
05:10is an interview
05:11which has generated
05:12a lot of political
05:13conversations
05:13joining me on the show
05:15tonight
05:15Amitabh Tiwari
05:16founder of Voter Wipe
05:17Rashid Kidwai
05:18author and political
05:19analyst is joining us
05:20we have
05:21Ganshyam Tiwari
05:21national spokesperson
05:23of the Samaj Wadhi party
05:24Tuhin Sinha
05:24national spokesperson
05:25of the BJP
05:27Many would say that Arvind Kejriwal is fishing in troubled waters, but is there really troubled waters here?
05:35Is there an acceptance of troubled waters here?
05:39Good evening, Maria. Good evening, everybody. A very happy post-Tiwali and Kovardhan Puja to everybody.
05:45I hope Ghansham will also be celebrating Kovardhan Puja.
05:49You know, Yogi Ji's interview has made one thing very clear, that the entire SIR is an absolutely neutral process.
05:58And that is perhaps why Akhilesh Yadav has not been participating aggressively in the vote-chory campaign.
06:06Of course, you know, the spokespersons have been doing a different time on television, but Akhilesh Yadav per se has
06:12been very circumspect.
06:13And that only proves that SIR has been a very neutral...
06:17I mean, maybe you have read something about his political moves in recent months that we as political journalists haven't.
06:24So, how do you think that Akhilesh Yadav has been circumspect?
06:29For him, vote-chory has never been the core issue like Rahul Gandhi, like it has been for Rahul Gandhi
06:36in state after state.
06:37Rahul Gandhi per se is also a negative person. That's another thing.
06:41But the point is, the SIR has been a completely independent process.
06:44What has Yogi Ji subsequently said? That we have raised the issue with the Election Commission, because we believe in
06:49a democratic process.
06:51We believe in conversation.
06:52And we are also confident that our BLAs, our BLAs are large in number, and they would make sure that
07:00a majority of those who have been unfairly deleted, if at all, will come back, come back into the voting
07:06list.
07:07So, we believe in a, you know, and we believe in a democratic...
07:10Let's have Ghan Shyam on the screen, please.
07:12Let me bring in Ghan Shyam specifically on this.
07:14Ghan Shyam, here is Arvind Kejjiwal congratulating Akhilesh Yadav, saying, Akhilesh Ji ko advance mein badai.
07:21Will he accept that badai?
07:24A good invite to you, the viewers and the fellow co-panelists.
07:27I'm very happy Diwali to everybody.
07:30We believe that, even in the gas chamber of Delhi...
07:32And respond also to what Thuin said, that he hopes that you are celebrating Govardhan Puja.
07:38Even in the gas chamber of Delhi, where children are coughing and the elderly are in trouble, led by BJP,
07:46created by BJP, each of us want to do our best for the country without doubting each other on what
07:53our faith is.
07:56All right.
07:58We'll...
07:59Okay, we'll try and fix that line with Ghan Shyam.
08:02And Ghan Shyam.
08:03It is a tragic irony for General Shah and Ghan Shyam.
08:07Because what Adityan Ji is saying is a template across any state in India.
08:11So, you have the state election commission that maintains one set of roles for local polls.
08:16And then you have Ghan Shyam and General Shah who has created another set of roles for the country.
08:21And there's a difference.
08:22Then there's an accusation, the entire Gen Z, who General Shah's police and goons of BJP beat Black and Blue,
08:28especially the Daughters of India, they came on the street because their names were not there.
08:32Adityan Ji is saying the same thing, that the 18 plus new voters, the names are missing.
08:38The third thing that he is saying is that beyond that, beyond these two differences, there are extra differences.
08:44So, the adult population, by any census in India, any data research in India, is around 102 crores.
08:51As per General Shah and Gyanesh Gupta, SIR has 88, 89 crore people.
08:56Where are these 15 crore people?
08:57This is what the entire discussion is about.
09:00So, somehow Adityan Ji got the wrong memo.
09:02Maybe he read the opposition speech in going into that interview.
09:05Because he has to say one final thing, which is even Sherlock Holmes may not be able to crack it.
09:10How does Adityanath know that how many Hindus are there, how many Muslims are there?
09:15No, he responded to that, to that specific question that was asked by Shweta, he responded by saying that based
09:24on, let's play that part specifically.
09:27I'm going to play that chunk of the interview again so that if both of us find an answer to
09:32that specific question, I would request the producer to play that interview chunk again.
09:45I'm going to play that question, I'm going to play that question.
10:16S.I.R. کے پہلے کی مداتہ سوچی بھی
10:20اور S.I.R. کے بعد
10:22جو مداتہ سوچی آئی وہ بھی سب کے پاس ہے
10:26ہم نے اس بات کو اس لئے کہا
10:28جو لوگ دوس پر چار کر رہے ہیں
10:30دیکھیں اس کے دو پہلو بہت سپسٹ ہیں
10:33ایک
10:36چناؤ جید گئے تو ان کا پرسارت ہے
10:40ہار گئے تو ای بی ام دوسی ہے
10:43پہلی بار ای بی ام کو دوسی ٹھہر آیا
10:47دوسری بار
10:48S.I.R. کو دوسی ٹھہر آیا
10:50بیہار میں ووٹ چوری یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
10:56ووٹ ادھکار یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
10:59الگ الگ راجیوں میں یہ لوگ
11:01الگ الگ پرکار کا ایک پروپوگنڈا کر کے
11:03ماحول کو خراب کرنے کا کچھ پریاس کر رہے ہیں
11:07یہ جو پروپوگنڈا ہے
11:11واسطوں میں یہ سچائی نہیں ہے
11:13یو پی کی سچائی کیا ہے
11:15کیوں اکھلے سیادوں
11:17اکھلے سیادوں کو بولو نا مانگ کریں
11:18کہ S.I.R. واپس لی لیا جائے
11:20وہ مانگ نہیں کرے گا
11:22اس لیے نہیں مانگ کرے گا
11:23کیونکہ یو پی کے اندر S.I.R. کے پہلے
11:26جتنے مسلم مداتا تھے
11:28ان مسلم مداتوں میں
11:301.65% کی بردی ہوئی ہے
11:33S.I.R. کے بعد
11:34S.I.R. کے بعد
11:35اور ہندو مداتوں کی
11:37میں نے بتایا نا کیا ستیتی ہے
11:38تو آپ کو تو نقصان ہو جائے گا
11:40میں کیا کہہ رہا ہوں
11:41اسی لئے
11:42الیکسن کمیشن میں
11:43ہم نے بھی اپنا
11:44میمورنڈم اپلبد کروایا
11:48ہم لوگوں نے اپلبد کروایا
11:50کہ آخر یہ کن کارنوں سے ہوا ہے
11:53میں ایک کروڑ ستائیس لاکھ
11:56ان ہندو مداتوں کی بات کر رہا ہوں
11:58جو اتر پردیس کی
12:01پنچائے چنوں میں جن کا نام ہے
12:04لیکن بھارت نرواش ناڑیوک کی
12:06مداتا سوچی میں ان کے نام نہیں ہے
12:08یہ گائب کیسے وہ ہیں
12:10کون اس کے پیچھے تھا
12:1366 لاکھ وہ مداتا ہیں
12:1555 لاکھ مداتا
12:17وہ ہندو مداتا ہیں
12:19جو ساسن کی لاپکاری
12:21یوزنائی پرابت کر رہے ہیں
12:22لیکن مداتا سوچی سے ان کا نام گائب ہے
12:2518 اور 19 ورس کے ایسے ساڑھے چار لاکھ مداتا ہیں
12:29جن کے نام مداتا سوچی سے گائب ہیں
12:32آپ کے شاسن میں ایسا کیسے ہوگی ہے
12:33یہ ساسن کا استقصیب نہیں ہوتا
12:37یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
12:38ایک سوطنتر سمیدانیک سنستہ ہے
12:42یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
12:44اس سب کا سنچالن کرتا ہے
12:46اور انہی کے ہم نے اپیل کی ہے
12:48کہ بھئی یہ پرمان ہے
12:49ان کے نام آپ ڈلوائیے
12:52اس میں مداتا سوچی میں
13:02اس مداتا سوچی میں
13:23When you have an overactive UP CEO talking, I know every time there is a model which is revealed, you
13:30know, be it by the Congress party or by the Samajwadi party, be it the Pili Bhut model or otherwise,
13:36they take action.
13:37What really is happening in the context of Uttar Pradesh here?
13:41So, Maria, clearly the distance between Delhi and Lucknow is not just about 500 kilometers.
13:45It is much more deeper.
13:47This here is a situation where the chief minister is at variance with my good friend who is sitting here,
13:52Mr. Tuhin Sina.
13:54He is indicting the election commission.
13:56He is talking about what we all are saying, what the opposition is saying, what the thinking citizens are saying,
14:01that the election commission is incompetent.
14:04Election commissioner has made a mockery of the electoral process.
14:08People who voted for Panchayat, people who voted for Lok Sabha 2024 do not figure into the magnitude of 1
14:14.27.
14:15I urge Mr. Tuhin Sina to hear, you know, Mr. Yogi Adityanath loud and clear and join the, you know,
14:23chorus for impeachment of Mr. Gyanesh Kumar Gupta.
14:27This is what better would you need?
14:29Here he is saying, and I don't want to get into the Hittu Muslim binaries, but what is happening, and
14:35Maria, you understand politics very well.
14:37And this also reflects that, you know, what is there, the central, you know, high command, and what is there
14:42in Uttar Pradesh.
14:43Yes, why do you think, Amitabh Tiwari, why do you think, Amitabh Tiwari, here is the Uttar Pradesh chief minister,
14:50indicting the chief election commissioner?
14:57I don't think it's about indicting.
14:59If you see the statement in the whole context and the question which Shweta asked, he is basically referring to
15:06the fact that if and when Samaj Baidhi party is going to lose the polls,
15:10then they will raise the bogey of EVM, or the opposition earlier used to raise the bogey of EVM.
15:16Now they have a reason of SIR, and it's trying to say that in SIR, it's not that just the
15:25core voters of the Samaj Baidhi party or their names have been deleted.
15:28It's also that the voters of BJP's names have also been deleted.
15:34And one cannot argue that because of SIR later, I mean, post polls, and I think his confidence is also
15:42given a number as to how many seats he's going to win, is the reason that will come up.
15:47So he's largely trying to neutralize the attempt of the opposition at a later point of time to say that
15:53the elections were lost due to SIR.
15:56See, on SIR, if you see the spokespersons appearing on national televisions across channels of Samaj Baidhi party, you will
16:06see that different people give different reasons.
16:09In fact, I have heard Samaj Baidhi party spokespersons also claiming that they have been able to retain their voter
16:15bases, whereas the names of voters of the BJP have been deleted.
16:21No, but the similar claim was made also by TMC in the run-up to Bengal elections that, you know,
16:28they were not really worried about what's happening in the context of Bihar when RJD approached the Supreme Court.
16:33TMC was certainly confident that their BLAs had done all the calculations, and they would ensure that their own voters
16:41are very much there on the voter list.
16:43That was the claim also that was made.
16:45Yeah, so that's what he is attempting to say, that you have been able to successfully keep the names of
16:55your core vote base in the SIR draft list.
16:59If at all, you have not been able to do that.
17:02It's not a problem which only the Samaj Baidhi party is facing, because this is a problem which every other
17:07party is facing, because of lacuna in the system of the SIR.
17:11Because if you remember, there was a program launched by the BJP to add 200 voters per booth after the
17:21first draft was released, because they were apprehensive that the names of voters and the example which he is giving.
17:28That example even Samaj Baidhi party is giving, that the number of voters is not tallying in the panchayat roles
17:36and the assembly elections roles.
17:38So, if he is saying the same thing, I don't know why there is controversy regarding that.
17:42Okay, Gansham, quickly, 30 seconds.
17:44And then we move on to another chunk of the interview.
17:47I thought Amitav was a man of numbers.
17:49He completely is undoing what he stands for.
17:52That aside, the question that I asked, and no one addressed it, how does Adityanath know how many Hindus and
17:59how many Muslims?
18:00He doesn't mention that answer.
18:02By the way, the numbers he is quoting, even those numbers are wrong, Maria.
18:06The state election commission has 16.91 crore voters in their list.
18:11Pre-SIR, there were 15 crore voters.
18:14Post-SIR, 2 crore voters were deleted.
18:16So, what Gyanesh Gupta and General Shah have done is, he has created a maddening set of numbers.
18:21They don't match with one another.
18:22My final point, final point.
18:25If Adityanath says that 1.27 crore Hindu voters are missing, there is a mismatch between the state election commission
18:30and the SIR, which is more than 3 crores.
18:34The mismatch from pre-SIR, post-SIR, 2.58 crores.
18:37So, if it is 1.27 crores…
18:38Tuhin, that's a lot of numbers being thrown at by Gansham.
18:42Amitav, will you respond?
18:44The numbers?
18:45Yes, and then I bring in Tuneen.
18:48First of all, yeah.
18:50First of all, since my friend Gansham keeps asking, how do you know their Hindu votes, you know?
18:56We know largely by the names and the surnames.
18:59Unless Gansham also, like Khargeji, believes that Diwali is a Khusiyoki Eid, I would consider him a Hindu.
19:08Similarly, from the names, you would know whether they are Hindus or Muslims.
19:13But the point is, you know, what strikes me about the interview is Yogi Ji's confidence.
19:19You know, he's not complaining, he's not being a crybaby like Rahul Gandhi.
19:22Look at the confidence.
19:23He says, we have put up the issue with the election commission.
19:27We are confident it will get sorted.
19:29And yet we are confident about a grand victory.
19:32I think this is what matters in the end.
19:35And I think opposition parties should also draw a lesson and stop being...
19:38I'll move on to look at another part of this interview.
19:41While Yogi Adityanath is banking on his ACBs or 80-20 arithmetic, Akhilesh Yadav, remember,
19:47is countering with what he says is moving ahead of MY, which was earlier Muslim Yadav,
19:53to now PDA, which is Pichhara Dalit Alp Sankhyaq.
19:57Two political formulas, two rival strategies and a high-stakes battle.
20:02Can Yogi's 80-20 really trump Akhilesh Yadav's PDA?
20:09Here's a report and then I bring in the guests.
20:16Uttar Pradesh CM, Yogi Adityanath, is setting the tone for 2027,
20:21well before the campaign officially begins.
20:24Uttar Pradesh, Raja Sabha, has told you that what's going to happen in Bidhan Sabha.
20:33This guy is now coming to 80-20.
20:3580-20 is the NDA and 20-20 is the PDA.
20:46At Panchayat Aaj-Tak in Ayodhya, the Chief Minister said 80% of votes put back the BJP and its
20:53allies,
20:54leaving just 20% with the opposition.
20:57He has projected a 350-plus seat target in the 403-member assembly and pitched Suraksha,
21:04which will be the 80-20.
21:11The voters will be the 80-20.
21:46But the 80-20 formula is not new.
21:50Yogi Adityanath had used a similar formulation ahead of 2022 elections.
21:55And its political interpretation has repeatedly triggered controversy,
22:00with critics linking it to the state's religious divide.
22:25The Samajwadi Party's counter is PDA,
22:30Pichra Dalitra Alpsankhyaq.
22:32Akhle Shiyadav has accused Yogi of targeting marginalized communities
22:36and has positioned PDA as a coalition of backward classes, Dalits and minorities.
23:07But Yogi Adityanath is turning the tables on Akhle Shiyadav.
23:12In his latest interview, he mocked PDA as Parivar Development Authority,
23:18accusing the SP of putting one family ahead of social justice.
23:56So, the political battle is clear.
23:59Here, Yogi is banking on governance, security and welfare to consolidate support.
24:06Akhle Shiyadav is betting on social representation and the PDA coalition to challenge the BJP.
24:1280-20 versus PDA, two slogans, two competing political narratives and one crucial question.
24:21Who can turn their arithmetic into votes when Uttar Pradesh goes to polls in 2027?
24:29With Shweta Singh, Bureau Report, India Today.
24:37Tuhin, in 2024 Lok Sabha elections, 80-20 didn't work.
24:42It is the PDA and the formula of Akhle Shiyadav which actually turned the table.
24:50You have to unmute yourself, Tuhin.
24:58Well, Lok Sabha elections had different considerations and assembly elections will have different considerations.
25:03What matters in the assembly elections is 9 lakh government jobs out of which 2.25 lakhs were given in
25:11the police department.
25:14One of the reasons, one of the key reasons why Samajwadi party goons are spending their time at home.
25:20The huge development of Kashi, Mathura and Varanasi.
25:26Today, if Ayodhya gets you an yearly GST collection of 10,000 crores, imagine the economic development in a radius
25:34of 50 kilometers in these cities.
25:36So, I think these are the core issues.
25:38The eradication, the elimination of Japanese encephalitis, which every year on an average used to take 600 to 700 reported
25:46deaths.
25:46The development of Bundelkhand, which used to be a barren zone.
25:50These people never opened any industry in Ameti today.
25:53Ameti is in the process of becoming a defense corridor.
25:57It would pass through that.
25:58So, I think these are the core issues and there is no distinction that people in Uttar Pradesh clearly identify
26:05BJP as the party which has delivered, which has raised the GDP from 13 lakh crores to 31 lakh crores.
26:14I think these are issues which really matter in the elections and there we are way ahead compared to the
26:18Samajwadi party.
26:19Okay.
26:21Ghancha, will you respond?
26:2280-20 has surfaced again.
26:25Well, to your viewers, let's think on a day when BJP thinks that calling Diwali Eid is a national security
26:33issue and is against the religion.
26:40Let's look at this panel.
26:43According to Aditya Nat, Mariya, you are in 20.
26:46Rashid Kidwa is in 20.
26:48This mediable politics in the age of AI is dumb.
26:52There cannot be a better word for it.
26:54People have defeated it in Uttar Pradesh in 2024.
26:57And again, according to BJP, General Shah, the daughters of India are not in their whatever 80-20 they want
27:03to create.
27:04Muslims are not there.
27:05Christians are not there.
27:06Sikhs are not there.
27:07Booths are not there.
27:08Ishra, Dalit, Al-Sankhikar are not there.
27:11The youth who want jobs are not there.
27:14The 20 or 80, whatever they want to create, are the set of people who donate to BJP.
27:1820-25,000 crores in 10-12 years that they have amassed.
27:21A handful of industrialists, they want to sell their nation to.
27:25The people who U.S. puts a complaint against.
27:28Maybe Epstein is also in their 80-20 formula.
27:31But the common man is not there in 80-20.
27:33I'm sure Epstein will not be a talking point in U.P. elections.
27:38Where is Epstein's church from U.P.?
27:49People defeated BJP on this hate speech.
27:52None other than the Prime Minister of India conducted hate speech in 2024 elections.
27:58He was defeated.
27:59Even in the MLC elections, they were defeated.
28:01So, people who are defeated on hate speech, they don't trust themselves.
28:06Amit Shah doesn't trust Adityanath.
28:08Adityanath doesn't trust Amit Shah.
28:10That's why the electoral roll issue.
28:11They don't trust their government.
28:13After 10 years in power.
28:14You know what increasingly we are seeing and Amitabh and…
28:18Just 10 seconds.
28:18Just 10 seconds.
28:19Go ahead.
28:20Go ahead, Tumin.
28:20I think Ghanshyam has got the distinction between 80% and 20% horribly wrong.
28:27Right now, 80% is nationalist, 20% are demagi naqsals.
28:31I think that is the distinction over here.
28:32And that is what it will be.
28:34Okay.
28:35So, at least both of you are smiling on the show.
28:37Even when we are talking about the most divisive issues, that's really disturbing.
28:40But yes, let me bring in Amitabh Tiwari and Rashid Kidwai.
28:44Amitabh, you know, in battlegrounds such as Uttar Pradesh, Bihar,
28:49we have increasingly seen that caste is the dominant issue.
28:53That it is pichadas, the Dalits, and which way they will go will decide who wins these elections.
29:02After winning 37 in 2024 elections, are there signs that any of these PDA parties or PDA castes,
29:13which Akhilesh managed to win his side, would have disintegrated this time in two years' time?
29:22Now, if you see, even the social coalition which was created by BJP is built on caste.
29:30And the social engineering which they created consists largely of the general category plus non-Yadha OBC plus non-Jata
29:37Dalit.
29:37This is around 60% of population.
29:40So even if 75% of these cohorts have been voting for the BJP,
29:46that translates into 45% vote share and they have been winning.
29:50So the Samajwadi party or the opposition was largely left with 40%.
29:54Now what happened in 2024 is this non-Jata Dalit vote because of the Samvidan Khatriya Meha narrative,
30:00which is around 10%, shifted towards the Samajwadi party or the India bloc.
30:04So it became 50-50.
30:06And for the trouble of the BJP, the contest in UP has shifted from a triangular battle to a bipolar
30:16battle.
30:16So in 2017, when they came into power, BSP got 22% vote share.
30:23And NDA got 325 seats.
30:26But in 2024, Lok Sabha election, the BSP fell to just 9% vote share.
30:32And if you convert the assembly leads, the 37 Lok Sabha seats into assembly leads, BJP's tally or the NDA's
30:40tally is 174.
30:41So BSP falls from 22 to 9 and NDA falls from 325 to 175, 150 seats.
30:49Now which are the vote blocks which were damaged?
30:52Largely the non-Jata Dalits and also the non-Jata Dalits.
30:57Now there is an argument that the Samvidan Khatriya Meha narrative no longer exists.
31:03So where does this non-Jata Dalit, who had voted in large numbers for the Samajwadi party alliance, largely because
31:11of the presence of the Congress?
31:12Congress is the softening factor in that alliance because the Samajwadi party has been trying to do the Dalits for
31:18a long time, but it was not happening.
31:19So I think this is the vote base, which could again go back to the BJP if they come up
31:26with something like the cash incentive scheme, which was also spoken on in the interview.
31:32Correct.
31:32So this is the vote base.
31:34That narrative is no longer on the ground.
31:37Okay.
31:38So if Samvidan Khatriya Meha is no longer a selling point here, Rashid,
31:44then what is the Congress party bringing on the table as far as this alliance is concerned?
31:50What is their combination in terms of narrative or caste factors?
31:55So we must understand that 80% business is all, you know, Jumla Bazi.
31:59It's a bravado.
32:00It's just to keep your carder happy.
32:03You know, in Uttar Pradesh, the BSP World Bank that Amitabh was referring to,
32:09traditionally acting in past two elections as the biggest insurance policy for the BJP in state assembly elections.
32:15Now that is disintegrating.
32:17Mr. Amit Shah in 2017 had very painstakingly built, you know, built this kind of social coalition of smaller caste,
32:24the non-Yadav OBCs.
32:25Now that is also disintegrating because the way Mr. Yogi Adityan likes to operate is something that,
32:33you know, he is not a coalition builder.
32:34He is not a consensus builder.
32:36So these kind of things are posing a lot of problems for the BJP at the ground level.
32:41And I think the Congress is there, as Amitabh was saying, rightly so,
32:45to get this kind of a chunk of, you know, Dalit vote.
32:47If that happens, then the BJP will have a lot of problems to face Achillesh Adam.
32:52Okay.
32:53Another talking point in this election is going to be Chadhava Chori.
32:56When that specific question was asked, remember,
32:58the Ram Mandir issue has once again triggered a political war of words.
33:02Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath has called the Chadhava Chori incident unfortunate,
33:06asserting that his government, along with the Temple Trust, did everything possible to bring the culprits to justice.
33:11He took a swipe at Samajwadi Party Chief Akhilesh Yadav,
33:15who is scheduled to travel to Ayodhya, along with his wife Dimpal Yadav, on December 12th.
33:22Yogi Adityanath has said that those who once ordered firing on Ram devotees subjected saints to laati charge
33:29and neglected the holy city must apologize before visiting the shrine.
33:33Let's listen in.
34:04Let's listen in.
34:04We are currently holding a trust in command,
34:09of course,
34:10of course.
34:12The will create autonomy because of the way that I got the trust andรformed
34:24have created.
34:28Here,
34:29the authority of the world
34:33it's a small village and we have to drive a village.
34:35We are living in a village and a village of our region.
34:40We are living in a village of human rights,
34:42and we are living in a village of human rights,
34:43and we are living in a village.
34:47But the reason why this is coming here,
34:50we have been to the forest as well
34:52and we will expand our own way to this situation.
34:58We will expand our own way.
34:59to be able to build the FIR which had a friend of mine who had a friend of mine.
35:05We have reached the Supreme Court in the case of them.
35:09We have reached the Supreme Court.
35:10We have told them all about this issue.
35:14We have reached the SIT.
35:16We have reached the SIT.
35:19We have reached the SIT.
35:22We have reached the SIT.
35:29जन्भुमितीर छेत्र टॉस्ट को जिनों ने जिन पे आक्सेप लगे थे उन लोगों को टॉस्ट से बाहर किया जिन 6
35:39-7 लोगों पे आरोप लगे थे उनके गिरफतारियां हुई और आज एक टांस्पेरेंट विवस्ता फिर से वहाँ पर अस्थापित है
35:50चंद लोगों के गलत कारियों की सजा पुरी अयुद्ध्या को नहीं दी जा सकती है कुछ गिनेवे लोग जिनके संख्या
36:006-7 थी उनके कारण से राम जनम भूमी को अयुद्ध्या को यहां के पुज्यसंतों को राम भक्तों को बदनाम
36:10नहीं किया जा सकता
36:11लेकिन इक कुछ सित चेश्टा चली अयुद्ध्या को बदनाम करने के समाजवादी पार्टी के मुख्या अगर अयुद्ध्या आना चाते हैं
36:19तो उनको अपने किरतियों के लिए कारनामों के लिए राम भक्तों से माफी माँगनी चाहिए अयुद्ध्या से माफी माँगन
36:41I was aware that when we were going to get the right, when we were going to get the right,
36:53we were going to get the right.
36:55is
36:55was
36:56has
36:56been
37:03to
37:07international airport
37:11which
37:13has
37:14been
37:15to
37:15ren
37:15to
37:18be
37:27।
37:49in Ram Kaj, but in Ayodhya, there is no one in Ayodhya, Ravan, Marij, Tadka, Tadka,
38:07so if there is no one in Ayodhya, then why do they want to come?
38:15What's taking Khilesh Yadav to Ayodhya, Ghanshyam Tiwari, is it more like he wants this issue
38:23not to be part of the election conversations and hence just be done with it kind?
38:29In the line of the examples he gave, what is the work in Ayodhya?
38:33What is the work in Ayodhya?
38:35Those who have the powers, they can oppose when a mandir goes to the temple
38:38and those who have the powers of the powers, we will not forgive them
38:43nor will they say that Ayodhya will not forgive them.
38:46But to the substantial issue, on 15th July 20, this year 2026, and on 19th July 2026,
38:54Adit Nath twice mentioned that the Ayodhya was stolen in Ayodhya,
39:0345 crore shradhalo ka chanda chadhava chori kiya gya hai.
39:08Adit Nath ji said that on twice, dood ka dood paani ka paani ho jayega.
39:12Now he says in the interview that the Home Secretary States is appointed by him,
39:17the DM appointed by him.
39:19Every member of that trust is appointed by either Amit Shah or Prime Minister and their office.
39:24So in every person guarding the donation is appointed by either the Prime Minister or Adit Nath.
39:31These are the two people who go there with cameras alongside CCTV.
39:35Sohin, is this an issue which is a matter of concern for the BJP?
39:38There's no place to hide.
39:39Will it hurt you? Are you fearing that it can hurt you?
39:43No, see, basically, Akhilesh Yadav has shown that like Rahul Gandhi, he's a chunawi him.
39:48You know, it took him three long years.
39:50We invited, he was invited for Pran Pratishtha, he refused the invitation.
39:54He could have gone when the mandir construction was completed last November.
39:58In fact, what happened at Pran Pratishtha, one of their MPs, Shafirul Rahman Bark, who's no more,
40:04in fact said that I'm waiting for the day when a masjid will be recreated over here.
40:08So this has been the attitude of the Samajwadi Party.
40:11But I have been asking all Samajwadi Party spokespersons, since they are all devout Hindus and they believe in, you
40:18know, Sanatan roots.
40:20I'm just asking them and I'm sure Ganshyam may be able to do that.
40:24Put your hand on your heart and say that the Krishna Janma Bhoomi temple is a Krishna temple.
40:30It's not, you know, an Idga.
40:32Let, we'll all wait for the court verdict.
40:34We will, we are all committed to the rule of the law.
40:37But I'm sure you must be having your voice of conscience.
40:39And that voice of conscience, I'm sure, will make you say that the Krishna Janma Bhoomi temple is a Krishna
40:44temple.
40:45You will not be able to say that.
40:48Well, it is only BJP that asks people to prove their faith on television.
40:53And it is only BJP whose leaders go to the temples with camera.
40:57And it is only BJP that ensure that when theft happens, those cameras are off.
41:02My name is Ganshyam. Ganshyam Krishnabhagwan ka bhi naam hai.
41:33What took?
41:45will this be a talking point or will the chief minister appear to be a man who walked the talk
41:54will he be seen as a strong leader who actually ensured that justice is delivered in terms of
42:00timeline he said within 24 hours and sit will be constituted as it will submit his report
42:05action taken will he be seen as a man of words and actions maria the fact that it happened you
42:11can
42:11you make a technical point that this was the supreme court had said there should be a trust
42:15etc all the appointments were made by the government of the day so it's a political
42:20you appoint sit and all just like a case of theft and you have a probe so i think this
42:24has hurt uh
42:25you know the sentiments it has shaken people's faith whether it will translate into votes or
42:30vote against the government or not i'm not so sure but it is something that you know people are very
42:35alive to this and they feel betrayed okay so there is another part in this interview which is about
42:43contesting in iodhya remember both the leaders both the the the chief minister president chief minister
42:50and the former chief minister and akhilesh yadav have dared each other to contest from iodhya let's
42:55listen into what yogi adityanath said specifically in that context
43:00so yogi adityanath ayodhya se chunauo lard sakte hai
43:03deki ayodhya am chunauo lardne ke liye nahi aya te
43:07jinnonye mujhe chunauti di thi mani unke chunauti ka jabaab diya
43:12lekin wui pehle hi bhaag khadai huye tab kuhi kya kariga
43:16to chunauo nahi lardengue yaha se
43:18noo nahi mahi none ke kira 1990
44:00we didn't have to have to have to.
44:13all right we have really come to the end of this discussion
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