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The debate covers the controversy over the Samajwadi Party's 2027 poster featuring Lord Krishna, accusations between parties, and political strategies in Uttar Pradesh elections.
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00:00In 2027, Shri Krishna will come.
00:05This is a poster that's being put up by the Samajwadi Party.
00:11As you see in the poster, emphatically not just showing Yogeshwar Shri Krishna,
00:16but also the Samajwadi Party's supremo, Akhilesh Yadav.
00:20Now, is the Samajwadi Party batting on a pitch which is seen as favourable to the BJP
00:29or perceived to be favourable to the BJP?
00:32It's a very aggressive move.
00:34How should one perceive this 2027 battle?
00:38Joining me on this India First special broadcast is Ghancham Tiwari,
00:41national spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party.
00:44Dr. Kaushal Kant Mishra is national spokesperson of the BJP.
00:46Professor Sangeet Raghi's author and political analyst joins us on the show,
00:50as does Ashutosh, author and political analyst.
00:53Dr. Mishra, Samajwadi Party is challenging you on your own turf.
00:59Akhilesh Yadav says,
01:00In 2027, Shri Krishna will come.
01:03Posters with Shri Krishna and Akhilesh Yadav.
01:06Does that make the BJP nervous?
01:09The Samajwadi Party batting on the front foot on the Hindutva Fitch, sir?
01:14Gaurav, first of all, I would like to ask my friend from Samajwadi Party
01:19whether he agrees what is written in this poster?
01:27Is Samajwadi Party saying that before that 2027 Krishna is not there?
01:32Because they feel Krishna is not there.
01:35Why?
01:36If we go through the history of Samajwadi Party,
01:39Samajwadi Party bans Kamad Yatra,
01:43Samajwadi Party bans Chaurasi Kosi Parikrama,
01:46Samajwadi, Gaurav, I don't know whether you know or don't know,
01:50in Uttar Pradesh, whenever there is Janmashtami,
01:53Krishna Janmashtami,
01:55in every police station it was celebrated like a big festival of whole police station.
02:00When the Samajwadi Party came,
02:02this function has been stopped officially
02:05by Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadao and Akhilesh Yadao simultaneously.
02:10And what is their history?
02:12First, we should go to the history of Samajwadi Party.
02:15Let's take this point by point.
02:16You've raised some pertinent points.
02:18Let's keep this conversational.
02:19Ghancham Tiwari, the BJP asked,
02:22do you actually believe 27 mein Krishna ahenge
02:24and does that mean that Lord Krishna wasn't there earlier?
02:27Is the Samajwadi Party now batting on a different pitch, sir?
02:32Good evening.
02:33One of the viewers and the fellow co-panelists
02:35and a very happy dhanteras and very happy Diwali to everyone who's watching this.
02:38There are three important things.
02:40One is the poster itself.
02:42The poster itself is a poster that communicates the message
02:45that BJP has stolen the idea of Hindu religion from people.
02:49They have stolen from the Ram Temple, Chanda and Chadhava.
02:53They are now stealing from the faith by enabling people like Bhagavad-sha Sarkar
02:59to create differences and hatred between Ram and Krishna.
03:04And it is clear that Bhagavad-sha Sarkar is BJP.
03:07BJP is Bhagavad-sha Sarkar.
03:08They stand for one another.
03:09There's no doubt about it.
03:11Now, coming to the poster, the poster communicates that message
03:14and this poster has become public narrative.
03:16It communicates that message cleanly.
03:18If you compare this with the BJP poster, it is shameful and tragic
03:22that that poster shows Mr. Modi as Ram and it shows Adityanath as Krishna.
03:28Neither Ram was accused of any riots as Mr. Modi was accused of his inability
03:33in the Gujarat riots, nor Krishna was accused of any criminal charges
03:38like Mr. Yogi was accused of till he whitewashed his own criminal charges.
03:41And a man like Yogi Adityanath cannot be a true Yogi
03:46given his track record.
03:48Dr. Bishra, quickly respond before I bring in our analysts on this
03:51that the BJP may have tried to use, you know, faith for electoral gains.
03:58The allegation of Chadhawachori is what the Samajwadi Party raises, sir.
04:05Gauro, for us, Ram Krishna is not for politics.
04:11They are our faith.
04:12They are our motto.
04:14They are our basic fundamental of whole Bharati Janata Party,
04:18that we stick to our ideology.
04:20Our ideology is Ram and Krishna both.
04:22And everything, whatever is the history, whatever is the past,
04:26whatever is the Sanatana Dharma, everything is history.
04:28But what is the history of Samajwadi Party?
04:31Few examples, few latest examples.
04:34Swami Prasad Borya is writing his own Ram Charit Manas.
04:38At that time, he was promoted as the General Secretary of Samajwadi Party.
04:43If Samajwadi Party is printing that Ram Charit Manas or not.
04:46Second, what was the slogan?
04:48Lok Tantra ki dekho shan bandi bane huye bhagwan.
04:51At that time, when Naam Trampil was not built.
04:53Third, mille mulayam kasi ram hawa me olga jai shi ram.
04:56Fourth, they always defy Ram and Krishna.
05:02This is first time when they are trying to divide the Hindus between Ram and Krishna.
05:07That is what the Samajwadi Party is doing.
05:09But the allegation that is being leveled.
05:11Sir, allegation is being leveled that your backers are dividing it.
05:14Dividing Ram and Krishna.
05:16But go on, sir.
05:17This is Samajwadi Party own member saying that Yadwas are not Hindu.
05:23Samajwadi Party leader come and raises eyebrows.
05:26And his name is Sivaraj Singh Yadav.
05:29It is from Samajwadi Party.
05:30They always, because they support whom?
05:35DMK.
05:35What the DMK's ideology is?
05:38Destroy the indutwa.
05:40Destroy the sanatana dharma.
05:42Eradication of sanatana dharma.
05:44According to them, dengue, malaria, AIDS, and none of the time.
05:50Even BJP, even Samajwadi Party leader or any spokesperson defined that this is wrong.
05:55They supported this.
05:57Fair enough.
05:57How come today?
05:58Ghansham Tiwari wants to respond because Ghansham Tiwari, the BJP says,
06:02Will the Samajwadi Party endorse the construction of a beautiful, magnificent Shri Krishna temple at the Jansthan, sir?
06:15Ghansham Tiwari, two things.
06:16You've been in debates for long and a journalist for long.
06:20When a party spokesperson throws kitchen sink at you, kitchen sink of unrelated arguments, then it means that they are
06:29in deep soup.
06:30And the reason they are in deep soup is people on the ground believe that BJP cannot provide anything that
06:35they promise.
06:36They cannot provide respect for the Hindu religion.
06:38They cannot provide livelihood.
06:40They cannot provide harmony in society.
06:42They cannot provide anything to the farmers.
06:44They cannot provide good government.
06:46And they cannot provide politicians who are not criminals.
06:49So, that is what the common man today sees in BJP, a party that continuously fails them on every promise
06:55and cheats them on every promise.
06:57So, as a result, BJP spokesperson is throwing kitchen sink.
07:00As far as your question about temple is concerned, our stand has been clear and it is the courts that
07:06will decide.
07:06Respond to a very pertinent point that is being raised by the Samajwadi party's spokesperson, Ghansham Tiwari.
07:12He says, because there is nothing else to talk about, the BJP and those close to it raise the issue
07:19of temple, Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.
07:23It shows their desperation in 2027 elections.
07:27Gaurav, who is supposed to be discussing?
07:29Gaurav, thank you and very good evening to all the panelists.
07:36First of all, I think that there is a credibility loss of the Samajwadi party.
07:42Credibility deficit, I would say, in respect of Samajwadi party when it comes to the Sanatan issues.
07:49Whether it is Kasi or it is Ajadja or the Mathura.
07:55We should not forget that it was Samajwadi party government which has banned the puja in Kasi on the specific
08:05site, which they declared to be part of the masjid.
08:10Second, something is said that this will make the Muslim vote bank jittery when the soft Hindutta would be peddled
08:21by the Samajwadi party.
08:23I would suggest that this is not a right turf for you.
08:28Because here there are several batsmen.
08:31One down, two down, three down.
08:32From Yogi Adityanath to Pradhan Mantri.
08:35Like if there is a volleyball, two players make a ball and kill the third one.
08:40So, there are so many players here.
08:44You equate it with the volleyball play or the cricket play.
08:47One down, two down, three down.
08:49There are so many batsmen who are far, far better than even the captain of Samajwadi party when it comes
08:56to the Hindutva pitch.
08:57So, I don't think that the Samajwadi party will be able to compete with the BJP on this issue.
09:04Very interesting point to raise.
09:05Ashutosh, you will quickly respond to this point.
09:07Third thing, third thing.
09:08So, let's take this point by point.
09:09Sir, it will be much more.
09:11Point by point.
09:12Ashutosh, very interesting point raised by Professor Raghi.
09:16Samajwadi party is batting on a very dangerous pitch.
09:20BJP has big hitters on the Hindutva pitch.
09:24Samajwadi party may just lose its own vote bank if they play on this pitch.
09:29Respond, Ashutosh.
09:31See, Gaura, most of the time I disagree with my friend.
09:34And Sangeet Raghi, but today I partly agree with him that the Samajwadi party probably committing a mistake and probably
09:42trapping himself as the trap is laid by the BJP itself.
09:46The Hindutva is not a pitch on which the Samajwadi party can play and get a century on this.
09:52If you look at the Samajwadi party's vote share, in 2012, Samajwadi party got 29% vote share and have
09:59a comfortable majority in the assembly and from the government, 29% vote share.
10:03If you look at it in 2022, the Samajwadi party gets 32% increase of 3% vote share.
10:09And in 2024, it further increases to 34% vote share.
10:13And in 2022 and 2024, Samajwadi party did not play on the Hindutva pitch.
10:18Their pitch is social justice and OBC politics and the Dalit politics.
10:24Now the PDA, basically the PDA politics.
10:27And if, and BJP wants them, wants them to play on this particular pitch.
10:34Let me remind my friend where I disagree with Sangeet on this issue.
10:38The issue is, despite having the two of the greatest exponent of Hindutva politics, and despite being Ayodhya, Shira, Krishna
10:47Janama Bhoomi and Kashi,
10:49Bharati Janata party could not get more than 33 seats.
10:52And in that time, in 2024, the Samajwadi party was playing save the constitution campaign, save reservation campaign.
11:01Very interesting point.
11:02Absolutely.
11:03Point taken.
11:03Before I bring in Ghansham Tiwari and Dr. Mishra, I quickly want Sangeet Ragi to respond to this.
11:08That, you know, BJP in 2024 came down to 33.
11:13Samajwadi party, Congress on the PDA point is way ahead, sir.
11:19I completely agree with Asutos.
11:22The strength of the Samajwadi party...
11:24Saraj, what are you doing? Both of you are agreeing.
11:26How will it go?
11:27The strength of Samajwadi party lies in caste politics.
11:32Better, you know, packaged in the, you know, in terms of social justice.
11:39But it is completely a caste equation and caste politics.
11:43The strength of Bharatiya Janata party is Hindutva, so that all the castes come under the one umbrella.
11:50The Samajwadi party would like to break it in all sense of term.
11:55When Bhagaswar Maharaj comes to Uttar Pradesh, and I have come to know that six kathas are to be organized
12:07there.
12:07And every katha has almost 10 to 12 lakhs, you know, audience.
12:12So he is going to address 72 lakhs, you know, the devotees in Uttar Pradesh in times to come.
12:20This is what is making Akhlesh Jadav jittery.
12:26Three frontal attacks were Ghancham Tiwadha, I have to get him to respond.
12:29What has happened in Bengal, what happened in, you know, Vyad.
12:33This is creating trouble for them.
12:36And that's why, that's why today, see the, you know, the tweet of Akhlesh Jadav.
12:42He is, in a way, threatening to the people who are organizing Bhagaswar Dham katha, including Raja Bhaiya.
12:50Very interesting, very interesting.
12:52Okay, Ghancham Tiwadi, I have to come to you and Dr. Mishra.
12:54But Ashutosh, there's one, once 10 seconds.
12:57Sir, come in, Ashutosh.
12:59See, see, Gaurav, I think, Akhlesh Jadav is thinking that there is a sum that Brahmins are not happy with
13:07the BJP.
13:08But let me tell you, the Brahmins in 2022 assembly election, 89% of the Brahmins has voted for the
13:16BJP.
13:17And you know, the best strike rate of Samadwadi party was 12% in 2012 assembly elections.
13:26So even if their best strike rate is only 12%.
13:29So they should not be thinking that since Brahmins are a little upset with the BJP,
13:33so the Brahmins will vote for the Samadwadi party.
13:35That is not going to happen.
13:36Their original pitch is PDA, and they should stick to that.
13:40Okay, Ghancham Tiwadi, four frontal attacks are happening on both sides.
13:44I mean, Brahmins cannot opt for khai.
13:49Brahmins cannot opt for khai.
13:52Ghancham Tiwadi, respond before I can.
13:54They can opt for a bell.
13:55Okay, I mean, where is the khai talking about khai, but Ghancham Tiwadi quickly respond, sir.
14:01Four quick points.
14:03One is that it is good that BJP spokesperson and RSA spokesperson accept that...
14:08I'm not the spokesperson of the RSA.
14:10Don't, don't, I'm a political analyst.
14:12Or RSA analyst accept that Dhirant Shastri is the spokesperson, is the brand ambassador of BJP.
14:19Which means that what he says, BJP has to own it and people are already talking about it.
14:23Second is, it's not about the pitch.
14:25It is not as if BJP laid a bait by asking Dhirant Shastri to give these speeches about differences and
14:31gods and disrespecting the gods.
14:32It is also not that BJP laid a bait by telling PMO's people and Prime Minister's appointed people to take
14:39away CCTV,
14:40enable a massive Chadhava churi in Ayodhya temple, in the Ram temple, and then not respond to it.
14:47These are not bait. These are common issues. People talk about it when Kaushal, Mishra, Sangeet Rai go and speak
14:53to any person in Uttar Pradesh or across the country.
14:55And they say, do you appreciate that under the watch of Prime Minister, under the watch of Yogi Adityanath,
15:00their people stole the Chadhava of 45 crore people who believed in Bhagavan Ram and went to the temple.
15:06Nobody will support BJP on that.
15:07So we have to raise this question and it is not about going to their pitch.
15:10Fair enough. Dr. Mishra, respond. Dr. Mishra, respond. Keep...
15:14Just 10 seconds. Just 10 seconds.
15:16Let me bring in Dr. Mishra, then I am coming to you, sir.
15:19Dr. Mishra, quickly respond to the point that it is not BJP's pitch. It is a pitch.
15:24The Samajwadi party is very confident batting on it.
15:27And the BJP is on the defensive because of statements of Baba Bageshwar and also the Ram Mandir donation pilfered,
15:34sir.
15:34Gaurav, I don't feel that BJP is supporting whatever Baba Bageshwar said.
15:42So I don't know from where Ganshyam Tiwari ji heard that I said that I follow BJP, follow Baba Bageshwar.
15:50It's wrong. Whosoever is wrong is wrong.
15:53Whosoever is dividing the Hindu society based on anything, whether it is caste, whether it is God.
15:58Because this is the same Samajwadi party who has not spoken anything against DMK.
16:02When they say the Shiv is there and Ram is not there, then Samajwadi party is just keeping...
16:08One more thing. This is the same Samajwadi party in last election.
16:12It is Times of India report that Mathura Nakasi, Mathura Nakasi, Ayodhya mein kaun?
16:19Yeh sapne nara suna hua hai.
16:21Toh this is the real character of Samajwadi party.
16:24Samajwadi party is acting like Kaal Nemi for the Hindus of the country.
16:30Nothing more than that.
16:31Very grave charge to level...
16:32Yes, because it is correct.
16:35Because there is a list of documentation, series of statements, series of slogans made by Samajwadi party
16:41that they are against the Hindus, against the unification of the Hindus.
16:46Last thing, Goro, 10 seconds.
16:48When the Hindus are divided on the basis of caste, they become secular.
16:52But when the Hindu caste becomes united, the party becomes communal.
16:58This is the hypocrisy of this Indian politics and those who do politics on the caste and politics on the
17:05religion.
17:05What is the factor for Samajwadi party?
17:08It is MY factor.
17:10World loan structure.
17:13MY.
17:13Ghanchantewari wants to respond.
17:15No, but Ghanchantewari wants to respond.
17:17And Ghanchantewari, in the past 10 years, two elections, 2017 and 22,
17:23just the MY factor did not bring Samajwadi party to par.
17:29Is this why this Shri Krishna Aayenge Sattaisme pitch to get the Brahmans that Ashutosh says indicates are unhappy with
17:39the BJP
17:40or may be unhappy with the BJP?
17:42So, in case some of those, if there's a divide, then that's advantage Samajwadi party and then it brings Samajwadi
17:50party and Congress to par, sir.
17:53Gaurav, if Adityanath and BJP can call the Shankracharya Kalnemi, it is no surprise that they call anybody Kalnemi, right?
18:02If they can beat the followers of Shankracharya brutally, holding their chutia in front of the people,
18:11they can go to any level to prove their superiority in matters of faith, which is not proven.
18:17No, Kans was not superior to Krishnan. BJP has a choice to be Kans in this election, which is between
18:23Kans and Krishnan.
18:24And it is people of Uttar Pradesh who will decide that 27 men Kans Aayenge or Krishnan Aayenge.
18:36Now, with respect to what Ashutosh said, it is not about Brahmin vote, not Brahmin vote.
18:40The underlying issue, which is livelihood.
18:42You look at Uttar Pradesh, the cost of living is so high.
18:45You see what is happening across the world with cost of living.
18:47There is no response BJP can offer, apart from this ritualization and showing Adityanath as Krishnan and Modi as Ram.
18:55Sir, Yogi, Adityanath on this broadcast would respect, you know, everybody should be respected.
19:01But if you do not want to respect, you know, a seer, a saint, because he is chief minister, be
19:07that as it may.
19:08Dr. Mishra wants to respond to you before I bring in Ashutosh and Professor Raghi.
19:12Gauru, only one single question.
19:15Since the establishment of Samajwadi Party till today, show me any leader going to either Mathura or Ram Mandir.
19:23Just one thing.
19:25Whole country, whole world will have faith on Samajwadi Party if they can show their main leader going to either
19:32Mathura or Ram Mandir.
19:34Okay.
19:35Is that a cause for concern?
19:36Again, you know, 30 seconds, Ghansham Tiwari.
19:39Is that a cause for concern? Because the BJP has repeatedly raised this, that Akhilesh Yadav, he may go to
19:45Ayodhya, but not to the Shri Ram Jan Bhoomi Mandir.
19:49He may go to Mathura, but not the Shri Krishna Jan Bhoomi Mandir.
19:52That's the point your opponents raise.
19:55Is there merit in that?
19:57Two very quick points.
19:58That he doesn't want to antagonize the Muslim vote bank.
20:00If any of your viewers Googles that who, which is the chief minister who inaugurated the tallest Christian temple in
20:07Mathura, it is Akhilesh Yadav Ji.
20:09No, no, no, no, no.
20:10So the propaganda of BJP will not work.
20:13No, no, no, no, no, no.
20:15As Ram Mandir is concerned, I challenge Mr. Modi to go there now.
20:18Now that 45 crore shradhalus have been stolen of devoted to Ram Mandir, right?
20:25I challenge Mr. Yogi to go there now.
20:28These people have no face to show the followers of Ram Temple.
20:33I was not interrupting you.
20:35I was not interrupting you.
20:36But I want to bring in Ashutosh.
20:37Ashutosh.
20:38I want to quickly bring in Ashutosh.
20:40Ashutosh, if we were to look at CSDS data, and I want Ashutosh and Professor Raghi, if we were to
20:45look at CSDS data,
20:47it shows 83% Yadavs voted for Samajwadi Party in 2022 assembly elections, 82% backed the India Alliance in
20:552024.
20:56When Samajwadi Party says 27 mein Krishna henge, they have the Yadav votes.
21:01They are very confident they have the Muslim votes.
21:04But will this help them expand?
21:06Or is there an apprehension that the Muslims may feel uncomfortable?
21:12No, no.
21:13See, Gaurav, I am a firm believer that the Samajwadi Party has to work on the two Cs.
21:21C-A-S-T-E, caste.
21:23C-O-S-T, that is cost of living.
21:26And if they concentrate on the caste politics, it means the social justice politics, the OBC politics, the Talit politics.
21:33And this group comprised of 70% of the population, 70% of the UP population.
21:39And Bharati Janata Party has been able to get more than 40% vote share because they had infiltrated or
21:46outreach to the OBCs and the Dalit.
21:48But in 2024 parliament election, if you see, the non-JATO voters had ditched BJP and had come to the
21:58Samajwadi Party and the Congress.
22:00There is a drop of almost 12% among the Kourmis and the Kouris.
22:04It moves towards the India bloc.
22:08And then there is also a drop of almost 6% to 7% amongst the other backward castes.
22:13Now, if this trend continues and the Samajwadi Party and the Congress Party tries to wean them away from the
22:20BJP, that will be the success story.
22:23And it is because of this that the Congress and the Samajwadi Party are not sparring.
22:28If the Congress and the Samajwadi Party are not sparring for seats, and I'll come to you, Ashutosh, for your
22:34analysis on that.
22:35But Professor Raghi, I want you to respond to this.
22:38You know, Akhilesh Yadav is very confident of the Yadav vote.
22:42He's very confident of the Muslim vote.
22:44But that doesn't take him to Lucknow as chief minister.
22:48So he wants to break into the Yogi Adityanath or the BJP vote bank.
22:54And he's hoping whether he gets the Pichdas or he gets the Brahmins or a section of both.
22:59And he'll sail through.
23:01Is that a challenge for the BJP in your view, sir?
23:05Certainly, I find that after UGC notification and a couple of issues, the upper caste, there has been a dent
23:14in the upper caste.
23:15But what happens, Gaurav, in a democracy, sometimes you make a choice between bad and worse and worse and worst.
23:23And here, when these voters would look back, they would not vote for Samajwadi Party.
23:30They would go for Hindutva forces, which is represented by Yogi Adityanath.
23:34Second, I am always surprised how the caste becomes a caste-based, because I'm refreshing it.
23:42Caste-based vote is a secular vote.
23:45When there is a larger mobilization across the caste, which is the Hindutva plank, that becomes a communal.
23:51So, I haven't understood this.
23:54Third point, I cannot say that I have the length and breadth of Uttar Pradesh.
24:01But in the last one month, I have gone so many times to Uttar Pradesh.
24:07And I have talked to, even visited Ram Temple.
24:09And I talked to the people about the, you know, Chandachori.
24:13I don't think that this is going to be the issue in election at all.
24:17And this is not going to damage the BJP at all.
24:19Ashutosh, the seculars, as they're called, must respond to this.
24:25If Hindus get divided in caste, it is seen as secularism.
24:29But if Hindus unite and vote as Hindus, irrespective of their caste, it is seen as communalism.
24:37What is this grammar, sir, society?
24:41That's the question Sangeet Raji asks.
24:44Sir Gaurav, let me tell you this.
24:47Caste is a reality in Indian politics.
24:50And there is a pushback from the Dalits and the upper caste against the hegemony of the upper caste.
24:57There's a pushback.
24:59This PDA and the social justice politics is basically a pushback.
25:03If they have been suppressed on the name of the caste, then they will also get a pushback on the
25:07name of the caste itself.
25:08So today, if the BJP, if the UBC is traumatized because they belong to the OBC, our Dalit is being
25:16exploited because they belong to the community, I haven't seen any upper caste person ever being traumatized because they belong
25:23to that caste.
25:24But this happens on a daily basis in our society.
25:27They were insulted, they were intimidated, they were threatened.
25:30In case the Hindus unite as one and vote, then it will not be seen as communal is what you're
25:37saying.
25:38If the upper caste reaches out to others and if they reach out to others and everybody comes together as
25:44Hindus, then it's no longer considered communal.
25:46Is that what you're saying?
25:48Professor, Dr. Mishra wants to respond.
25:50No, Gaurav.
25:51Dr. Mishra, he quickly wants to come in.
25:53Because the pushback from the OBC and the Dalit is against the hegemony.
25:59They are demanding justice.
26:00They are demanding the dominance.
26:02Hegemony, says Ashutosh.
26:05Ashutosh ji, my simple question with you is that caste is a reality, but religion is not reality.
26:12Dharma is not reality.
26:14How you can say that?
26:15If the major society is uniting, even with the dharma, what is the problem?
26:20How it becomes communal?
26:21That is my biggest question to everyone.
26:24Nobody can respond to it.
26:25Because when the Hindus are united, then it becomes communal.
26:28But when the Hindus are divided on the caste, it becomes secular.
26:32This standard of division by the sociologists, I can't understand.
26:35Please explain.
26:36Okay.
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26:46I'm sorry.
26:47I don't have time for book promotions right now on this broadcast.
26:49You can make an empirical point in 30 seconds without...
26:54Sir, just make your point.
26:55To that.
26:56The book written by Jyotiba Fule called Gulaam Giri.
27:01This book, I think my dear friend Kaushal Kishore should read.
27:05Fair enough.
27:05I am talking about the hegemony, hegemony, hegemony, hegemony, hegemony, hegemony.
27:08But let me also read the writing on the wall on the ground.
27:11Will it explain that the caste politics is secular and religion politics is communal?
27:14Will this book explain this?
27:16No, it will not.
27:16You read this book.
27:17It will not explain this.
27:18It cannot explain.
27:20No sociologists and no theory can explain that the...
27:22Professor Raghi, 30 seconds that I have on this part of the show.
27:26Gaurav, Gaurav, the Muslims should remain homogenous.
27:31There should be no divide on the basis of the caste within the Muslim society.
27:37Have you ever seen, even on television, when my friend was editor or anybody editor, even today,
27:43do you see the caste depiction within the Muslim community?
27:48No.
27:48They always say that Muslim community, whatever happens,
27:52it is not segregated that the atrocities have been perpetrated against this caste of the Muslim.
27:58When it comes to Hindu, you remain divided.
28:00This is the politics of social justice.
28:03Interesting.
28:04This is to promote a particular...
28:05Very interesting.
28:06And in the run-up to Uttar Pradesh elections, we'll be watching a lot more of this.
28:10I have unfortunately run-up time on this part of the show.
28:12I will repent this book.
28:13Absolutely.
28:13We'll all read a lot of books and that's very essential,
28:16but not on television debates.
28:20But this conversation will continue.
28:22Join us on India First.
28:24Join us on Chakraview, where we'll have a much longer discussion
28:27on this Chakraview of Uttar Pradesh politics.