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"I don't believe we will see him (A.J. Brown) the rest of the season." Could the A.J. Brown trade be MORE "Dumb" and Damaging" than the Antonio Brown trade?!
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00:00Those who are speculating on what a Patriots trade might look like.
00:04And Curtis, you brought up Christian Barmore.
00:07Is it just, is it wishful thinking that they're,
00:10they're talking about Derrick Henry.
00:12They keep talking about like a running back as the,
00:16as what the football team needs.
00:17Don't you think they need to go and get a wide receiver first?
00:21Cause you're not going to be able to count on AJ Brown.
00:24I don't, I mean,
00:24Sean brought up yesterday wants an offensive lineman, right?
00:27I, that very valid there as well.
00:30But I do, do you really want to go out?
00:31Do you need to go out and get a run?
00:33I guess there, there, there's concern about Travion and whatever,
00:37whatever he's, what's the concern level with Travion Henderson, right?
00:41So four practices in a row.
00:42I mean, that's pretty high.
00:43I think, well, no, I'm just saying with the illness that could be mental health.
00:49So you don't know what, like, that's an unknown concern level.
00:52So you would need help at the running back position.
00:55Obviously AJ Brown, we don't know what his concern.
01:00I mean, the concern level is pretty high,
01:01but you don't know what the knee now is going to be.
01:04So I think at both of those positions, you need help.
01:07I think on top of that too, though,
01:08you've already spent so much capital at wide receiver.
01:11Like, I just don't think that a team would want to spend more.
01:13Like you spent actual cash on Romeo Dobbs and then you spent draft picks on AJ Brown.
01:18So like,
01:19I just don't think that they'd want to spend more at the position and they'll try and
01:22just wait it out, especially because Drake may play so good, almost regardless of who's
01:27catching footballs at this point.
01:28And so to me, it's like, all right, I'm going to look at the offensive line first so that
01:32Drake may stays upright.
01:33And then maybe I'd look at running back.
01:34And it's kicked the ties on wide receivers.
01:36That's what it is.
01:37It's not trading.
01:38You find an absolute bargain and that's about it.
01:40That's why, you know, when the name, like, you know, like as the season continues and it
01:45might just be me, but some other people will be saying, all right, like that's like more
01:49of the Tyreek Hill.
01:51I don't know what other free agents could be available out there, Sean, that are guys
01:55that haven't signed with a team yet.
01:58Do you think Tyreek Hill is on a team this year, Wiggs?
02:00Yeah, I think so.
02:01I think that somebody snatches them up and just kicks the tires on to see if he can, you
02:07know, help them out a few games.
02:08But I think that's what you're looking at as far as why you're looking at like Curtis
02:12Samuel or like Darius Slayton.
02:15Did Brandon Jennings get picked up by somebody or was he Brandon Jennings?
02:20Was he on the street?
02:21I don't know.
02:21Maybe it might have been Keenan Allen.
02:23I can't get picked up by the Colts.
02:24OK, so but that's where you'll be.
02:26All I know is, is that entering a game where Brady's doing the broadcast as bad as the surrounding
02:32cast was around Brady, you know, six in those seasons, this is as bad or worse than
02:38Brady ever had.
02:39Like, if they're winning these games, it is superhuman efforts by Drake May.
02:44Like, even at Brady's worst, he either had a Gronk.
02:48He had, I mean, I would put, I would put Rache Caldwell and, and Ben Jarvis Greenellis or
02:55who was the guy they drafted out of the running back from Minnesota?
02:58Lawrence Moroney.
02:59Like.
03:00You had Givens, right?
03:0106 was Givens?
03:03I don't think you had Givens in 06.
03:04I know Rache Caldwell was your leading receiver in 06.
03:06It was Jabbar Gaffney, Rache Caldwell, and Pray for Raid.
03:09All right.
03:10It would, it seems like to me it would be too early for this, but do you think they look
03:16at Drake May now the same way they were looking at Tom Brady at that, you know, mid to end
03:21of his career where he can elevate a mediocre wide receiver room?
03:28No.
03:29No way.
03:30I don't think they, I mean, if you want to get to an AFC championship game, this roster
03:34around Drake May is not good enough.
03:35Yeah.
03:36I think Drake's been awesome.
03:37I mean, he's been the best player in football, AFC player of the month.
03:40He's been spectacular the last four or five weeks, but you, to me, you need to add a wide
03:45receiver as well.
03:46Because I don't care about a running back.
03:48I don't, running backs are a dime a dozen.
03:50You can find the, who's the guy kinder?
03:52He's been awesome.
03:53But if Rabel cares about running back.
03:55I think people are, they bring up Derrick Henry because of the relationship between he and
04:00Mike Rabel.
04:01And he's a big name.
04:02Like, you're not going to go get Derrick Henry.
04:03I'm, as much as I would love to, you're probably not going to get Jonathan Taylor unless like
04:07you, there's multiple pieces involved.
04:09Like to me, it is, it's a depth pieces.
04:12Right.
04:12It's a guy who is a, like established veteran.
04:15Maybe even like a Tony Pollard is more of a name.
04:18I think in line with a running back that they would look at compared to a guy like Derrick
04:21Henry.
04:22Because what's Derrick Henry going to cost you?
04:23Let's be honest.
04:24Like Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor are going to cost you what?
04:26Second round picks?
04:28Oh yeah.
04:28Hell no.
04:29Jonathan Taylor is going to cost you that.
04:30No, I'm saying, and I would say hell no to that.
04:32Oh, you're right.
04:33You're right, Wiggy.
04:34Yeah, so, but, so, and the Patriots are not giving that up after they just gave up a first
04:39round pick for a wide receiver.
04:41So they're not giving those type.
04:43So to Shime's point, it's going to be a guy that might be, all right, we'll give up a six
04:47round pick.
04:48This is Jim from Weymouth.
04:51Good morning, Jim.
04:51Happy Friday.
04:53Hey, happy Friday.
04:54Happy birthday too, Greg.
04:56Happy birthday.
04:57Yep.
04:57I'm a few months behind you on that big number, but I think Curtis might agree with me on this.
05:03There's more than anyone, but if the Patriots, I'm a diehard Patriots fan, if they signed
05:09Tyreek Hill, I would root against them every week.
05:12There is no way I want that guy on this team.
05:14Did you root against them?
05:17Perfect, flexible human being.
05:18Did you root against them when they signed Antonio Brown?
05:21Very different.
05:22I did not like winning with him.
05:24I did not like that signing one bit.
05:26I couldn't stand Antonio Brown either, but Tyreek Hill is another level of a disgusting
05:31human being than Antonio Brown.
05:33He broke his three-year-old son's arm.
05:37Allegedly, Curtis.
05:38No.
05:38Read the report.
05:39No.
05:40But here's what I'll say because, hold on, hold on.
05:42Let me get this point out.
05:43You just interrupted me.
05:44No, no.
05:44I'm saying read the reporting that was just released from his son.
05:47Here's what I'll say.
05:49They're on this team right now.
05:51There are people that probably have some sketchy stuff going on in their life right now when
05:57you talk about domestic violence, abusing women, right?
06:01How about a three-year-old?
06:02I don't know everybody's background, but what I will say, Curtis, what I will say is that
06:09that was the alleged report.
06:12There was new reporting on it in the latest civil trial, but you should read.
06:16There was no proof of it, and I'm not defending it, but what I'm going to say is this.
06:21If you don't want him, I get it, but I always look and say, okay, could the player help me
06:27out?
06:27You don't care.
06:28Let's just be clear about it.
06:29You don't care about much that has happened in their private life.
06:33I'm just not going to be a hypocrite.
06:35I'm not going to say, oh, I don't want this guy, but I do have a guy on my team
06:40who did
06:40X.
06:41Who did X.
06:42That, to me, is hypocritical.
06:43I don't look at this team, and I'm not aware of anybody who has had serious domestic violence.
06:51I think there's a couple of them on the team right now.
06:53Oh, there is.
06:54Yeah, all you got to do is do a quick Google search.
06:56Oh, okay.
06:57Yeah.
06:57Yeah, I have never done the Google search.
06:58Yeah, I mean, it's not.
07:00We talked about one.
07:01Yeah, but that was dismissed.
07:03No, no, but I'm saying that.
07:04The one that you're talking about.
07:05But there was allegations brought up.
07:07We're not talking about allegations.
07:09We're not talking about allegations in this case.
07:10So the Barmore stuff weren't.
07:11No, no, no.
07:12So that was an allegation.
07:14Right.
07:14But what we're talking about with Tyreek Hill, not all of the things that he.
07:18No, no, no.
07:18But the breaking.
07:19He pled guilty to things.
07:20These are allegations.
07:20No, but I know that.
07:21No, he pled guilty to hitting his girlfriend, I believe, in college.
07:24But the one.
07:25Strangling and punching his pregnant girlfriend.
07:26Yeah, he pled guilty to that in college, which was like 2014.
07:31No, I'm not.
07:31No big deal.
07:33I'm not saying.
07:33Is O.J. Simpson free?
07:35I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is, let's not be hypocrites and go, oh, I don't
07:41want this guy when I have guys that have allegations or incidents on the team.
07:47So, and no, I am not roasting.
07:49Okay.
07:50You're not.
07:51I have not agreed to that.
07:52I like my job.
07:54So, this may sound really hot as a take, but I think it's factual.
08:00Given what we now know, one could make the argument that the A.J. Brown trade and acquisition
08:08is dumber and more damaging than that of Antonio Brown.
08:13Oh, God.
08:15You traded a first round pick and a fifth round pick for A.J. Brown.
08:23He has zero touchdowns, zero first downs, and I don't believe you will see him the rest
08:29of this season.
08:30The rest of the season?
08:31No.
08:33He has a degenerative knee condition that scared away the entirety of the NFL, and he is making
08:39$8 million on what is a four-year $113 million deal, which is not all guaranteed.
08:46Most of that is with the Eagles.
08:47But after a settlement following his release, Antonio Brown was not given, the Raiders were
08:55given zero compensation.
08:56It took nothing to get him here, and you only paid him $5 million.
08:59He had a touchdown catch.
09:01So, in their first years, it is potentially there that Antonio Brown will have had a more
09:09productive season with the Patriots than A.J. Brown did here when he was not released after
09:16week two.
09:17It is this potentially is why the Patriots will not contend this year and why they will not
09:25be active in advance of the deadline on Tuesday because they've already given up next year's
09:30first round pick.
09:31I keep going back to Steph Diggs, and why did you not just continue to work with Steph Diggs
09:38and give him a reasonable-
09:39Because you signed Romeo Dobbs.
09:40Okay, but you didn't have to do that.
09:42Like, unless, I guess you were, maybe you were waiting to see what happened legally or
09:48whatever, but-
09:48No, because you were like, Romeo Dobbs is the here, the now, and the future.
09:54Steph Diggs-
09:55Has he been that?
09:56No, but that's why they signed him initially, was for, okay, he is going to be the guy for
10:03right now, but he's also going to be a guy that we depend on in the future.
10:06But Steph Diggs signed for half of what you owed him, and you probably could have got him
10:13for that half, and not only on the field, but off the field, he was great for the football
10:20team.
10:21I just told you why.
10:22But Greg, just listen to this simply, and when I said next year's, I mean, like, not
10:27this draft, the draft following this draft.
10:29This draft, it's a fifth-round pick, it's a first-round pick in the 2028 draft.
10:33The Patriots were so far out on a limb, it was the worst-kept secret in the NFL for months.
10:41The Rams got access to all the same medicals and said, no thank you.
10:46And you sit there, and this is a Vrabel relationship with A.J. Brown, Vrabel stuck his neck out,
10:53he wanted the guy, he was dead set on him no matter what the imagery said, and now you're
10:59sitting here, and you play him in almost every snap against the Jets, which, this isn't a
11:04second guess, we said it real-time.
11:06Thursday night against the Bears, you play him in almost every snap, and now he's done.
11:12Because the player has more power than the organization, the player was dictating what
11:16was going on, not the team.
11:18I'm blown away that you think we won't see him for a single snap the rest of the season.
11:23I'm just, I'm blown away by that.
11:26I mean, I don't think, even if you do, you're not going to see A.J. Brown that you acquired
11:29for a first-round pick.
11:30Think about the players that don't go for first-round picks.
11:33You gave a first-round pick for this guy.
11:37You gave nothing for Antonio Brown.
11:39Well, I would say that's probably the biggest thing right now, is that none of us knew.
11:44None of us, at least.
11:45No, we all wanted him.
11:46We're all fired up about it.
11:48And the Patriots knew.
11:49No, I'm just saying, but I guess they might have been like, oh, in their minds, or what
11:55the doctors were saying, it's not as bad.
11:57So they have better doctors than the other 31 teams?
11:59Curtis, I have no clue.
12:01But obviously, we didn't know.
12:02We didn't have access to the medical reporting.
12:05Right.
12:05They did.
12:06The Rams did.
12:07They said no.
12:08I would say this.
12:08Every other team said no.
12:09I would say this, and I don't know.
12:11And I would be like, there's no one, Mike Vrabel.
12:14I'd be like, there's no way he could do that.
12:15There's no way that there's reports from the doctor saying, hey, his knee is jacked up.
12:21Well, you already, if you were the Patriots, you knew that the Rams passed on him after
12:24they gave him a physical.
12:26Right.
12:26Yeah, but how are you saying nobody knew?
12:28Everybody knew.
12:29You knew that.
12:29Baltimore passed on Max Crosby.
12:32Looks pretty good to me.
12:34Yeah.
12:34Right?
12:34Now, everybody got their own doctors, and they can fudge things the way they were.
12:38So were other teams willing to offer a first round pick?
12:40No, I have no, like I said, I have zero clue.
12:43Well, we don't know.
12:44I'm asking what your opinion is.
12:45I would think that there probably were a couple other teams out there that maybe were interested
12:50in A.J.
12:50Brown.
12:51That's not what I asked.
12:52Were they the only team in the NFL that offered a first round pick?
12:55Yes.
12:55Yeah, the Patriots, yeah.
12:56As far as we know.
12:57Yes.
12:58857 text.
12:59Why don't you frauds ask Mike Rabel when he's on the show on Monday?
13:03But you won't, because you guys are fake radio personalities.
13:07I heard us just ask him about the player on Monday of this week.
13:12Right.
13:13We will certainly ask him again on Monday of next week.
13:16Yeah, and that's hurtful.
13:17Sure, it is hurtful.
13:18Ask him again on Monday of next week.