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On News Track, Maria Shakeel examines the geopolitical implications for India following key political battles across Brazil, Israel, and the United States. In Brazil, President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has secured another term, defeating Flavio Bolsonaro in a closely contested runoff election. The report highlights India's potential to deepen bilateral trade towards thirty billion dollars by 2030, strengthen BRICS cooperation, and champion reforms in international institutions. Meanwhile, in Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces an electoral challenge from Gadi Eisenkot amid regional tensions involving Iran, though strategic defense and technology ties with New Delhi are expected to retain bipartisan backing. In the United States, upcoming midterm elections test Donald Trump and congressional control, potentially reshaping trade tariffs and H-1B visa policies. Panelists Felipe Ferrazu, Saul Satka, Alexander Slater, and Dr. Tara Kartha analyze domestic polarization, foreign interference perceptions, and diplomatic balancing strategies for New Delhi across these shifting global arenas.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching NewsTrack with me, Maria Shakil.
00:03Three polls, three powers games and India in focus.
00:07From Brazil to Israel to the United States,
00:09political battles are unfolding that could have consequences far beyond their borders.
00:15While Lula has returned to power in Brazil,
00:17Netanyahu is facing a survival test in Israel.
00:21And in America, Donald Trump and the Democrats are facing a high-stakes battle.
00:25For India, the stakes go beyond who wins and who loses.
00:29New trade opportunities, strategic partnerships and tough diplomatic choices are all in play.
00:35Could Lula's return in Brazil open new doors for Indian businesses?
00:40Will Israel's political contest change the equation for New Delhi with Benjamin Netanyahu losing?
00:48If he loses.
00:50And could Trump's midterm test bring relief of fresh pressure for India?
00:56Three political battles, one key question.
00:59What will the results mean for India?
01:01Before I bring in the guests, here's a report.
01:08Three elections, three political battles and a world watching.
01:15From Latin America to West Asia to Washington,
01:19the coming days could redraw political equations
01:21with consequences that stretch all the way to New Delhi.
01:27In Brazil, Lula is back.
01:31Brazilian president Luis Lula da Silva has won another term,
01:37defeating Flavio Bolsonaro in a closely contested presidential run-off.
01:52For India, this is more than just an election result.
01:57Lula's win offers continuity in ties with Latin America's largest economy
02:02and an opportunity to deepen cooperation in BRICS,
02:06push for reforms in global institutions and expand trade.
02:10India and Brazil have set their sights on taking bilateral trade to $30 billion by 2030.
02:18The relationship between Brazil and India, it has to be very strong.
02:24We're the two largest democracies of the global south.
02:27And so we have to give good examples.
02:31And since my relationship with Prime Minister Modi is a very good relationship,
02:35it's very good.
02:36And I respect tremendously the governance of his administration.
02:42I am sure that he also respects my governance in Brazil.
02:45And so we have to take advantage of this moment to make things happen.
02:51Next is Israel.
02:53Israelis vote as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
02:56faces a major challenge from former military chief Gadi Eisenkot.
03:03For India, the stakes are strategic.
03:06Defence, intelligence, agriculture and technology
03:10have become key pillars of the India-Israel partnership.
03:15Large number of people whomsoever I spoke to
03:19clearly say that as far as India-Israel strategic partnership is concerned,
03:24there is a positivity.
03:25There is not going to be any impact.
03:27India enjoys a bipartisan support in Israel.
03:31The bigger question is, what happens next in West Asia?
03:35Any escalation involving Iran could threaten energy supplies,
03:40disrupt trade routes and complicate India's balancing act between Israel, Iran and the Gulf countries.
03:48And then, Washington, where Donald Trump faces a big test.
03:53The U.S. midterm elections on November 3rd could reshape control of Congress
03:57and President Donald Trump's ability to push his domestic agenda.
04:03For India, this is not just about who wins seats.
04:07Midterms matter because they can affect trade,
04:10jobs, the economy and relations between the two countries.
04:17Changes in U.S. policies on tariffs and H-1B visas can impact Indian businesses and professionals working in America.
04:27If Democrats gain control of Congress, President Trump may face more opposition to his policies,
04:33while a Republican victory may make it easier for him to implement them.
04:39For India, the challenge is not just to respond to political changes abroad,
04:43but to turn them into opportunities at home,
04:46from Brazil to Israel to the United States.
04:50New Delhi must protect its interests,
04:54strengthen strategic partnerships and keep its economic targets on track.
04:58With Geetha Mohan and Pranayupadhyay, Bureau Report, India Today.
05:08Let me go straight to Brasilia in Brazil,
05:12where journalist Philippe Ferrazo is joining us.
05:16Philippe, appreciate your time.
05:17The numbers tell a remarkable story in your country.
05:21Lula went on from trailing by 2.2 million votes
05:25to winning by 4.4 million votes.
05:28Where precisely did that electoral turnaround come from?
05:35Yes, this was a remarkable overturn of the elections in Brazil,
05:41the presidential elections.
05:43This is historic.
05:44This has never happened before.
05:47It has never happened in Brazil.
05:49It's the very first time.
05:50And this outcome is happened mostly because of the reduction of abstention in Brazil
06:01during the first round and the second round.
06:04And also a mobilization of the supporters of President Lula in the streets
06:11and also in digital communication.
06:15This was the most impressive overturn that he made in his career.
06:24He's running now for the fourth term as president of Brazil.
06:30He's president-elect for the fourth time.
06:33And we may also conclude that he was able to reduce and diminish votes
06:44from the main opposition member, the candidate Flavio Bolsonaro,
06:50that has also lost votes in major areas of Brazil,
06:57in major cities in urban areas,
07:00and also in the regions of Brazil in the southeast of Brazil
07:06and in the north of Brazil.
07:08Okay.
07:08Some crucial states of Brazil changed in main cities,
07:14such as Rio de Janeiro,
07:16that voted mostly in Flavio Bolsonaro in the first round,
07:21and now Lula won in Rio de Janeiro, for instance.
07:25That was a big difference, and that made a difference
07:29because in that region, in the southeast of Brazil,
07:33states like Rio, Sao Paulo, and Minas Gerais,
07:37they concentrate their most populated areas,
07:41and they have the most major numbers of electors.
07:46Let me bring in other guests who are joining us on the show.
07:49Saul Sathka is a security analyst.
07:51Joining me from Tel Aviv, Alexander Slater,
07:53former managing director of the U.S.-India Business Council.
07:57He's joining me from Washington, D.C.,
07:59Dr. Tara Kartha, strategic affairs expert,
08:02joining me from here in India.
08:04I'm going to begin with you, Saul Sathka,
08:07because, of course, the elections will be held in Israel tomorrow.
08:12There are, that's an election again,
08:15which is being watched by one and all.
08:19So, help us understand,
08:21is this an election that could fundamentally
08:26change Israel's politics?
08:28Is it about the man himself?
08:31Is it the election about Benjamin Netanyahu's political future?
08:36Or is this an election which will decide the direction
08:40of how the country engages with the world outside?
08:47Well, no, not really.
08:48It certainly won't make much difference
08:49for Netanyahu's political future,
08:51since Netanyahu is nearly 80 years old.
08:54So, if he would win,
08:55he would be on his way out fairly soon anyway
08:57from his political career, realistically.
08:59So, it doesn't really make that much difference
09:01as far as that's concerned.
09:03And for the country itself,
09:04well, the people standing opposite him
09:06are centre-to-centre-right.
09:08They would be a centre-to-centre-right government
09:10replacing a right-wing government.
09:12It wouldn't really make much difference
09:13to how they face the world.
09:14And certainly,
09:15you couldn't really put a piece of paper
09:17between the opposition,
09:19who would form a government in theory,
09:21if they would outdo Netanyahu
09:23in the election,
09:24in Netanyahu,
09:25in terms of its relation
09:26to Gaza,
09:27to Hezbollah,
09:28or to the Iranian regime.
09:29All of them agree
09:30there's a complete consensus
09:31across the board
09:32within Israeli politics
09:34that all those people
09:35have to be a room of politics.
09:37Alexander,
09:39you know,
09:39New Delhi has invested
09:40in a strong relationship
09:42with Washington.
09:45There is an unpredictable White House
09:47that India has been dealing with,
09:49particularly in the context
09:50of the trade deal.
09:52But American politics
09:53is becoming increasingly unpredictable.
09:55Could a midterm
09:57set back for Donald Trump
09:59change the trajectory
10:00of India-U.S. ties
10:02on trade, tariffs,
10:04defense, technology?
10:05Or is the bipartisan
10:07strategic consensus
10:08on India
10:09strong enough
10:10to withstand
10:11all the domestic
10:13political turbulence,
10:14if any?
10:16Well, thanks for having me
10:17here today.
10:18It's wonderful to be able
10:19to discuss the question.
10:20Of course,
10:20the midterms are
10:21a week away
10:22here in the United States.
10:25And the polling shows
10:26that it's not looking good
10:28for the president
10:29and the president's parties.
10:31A party, pardon me.
10:32In terms of the specific question,
10:35I don't think that
10:36there's much drift
10:38from where the Democratic Party
10:40was,
10:41and it's that look on India,
10:43from, let's say,
10:44the end of the Biden administration,
10:45where, as you said,
10:47there was a strong
10:48bipartisan consensus.
10:49And it certainly looked like
10:50at the start
10:51of the Trump administration
10:52that that would continue
10:53when Prime Minister Modi
10:55was in the United States
10:56in February,
10:57right after Trump's,
10:59President Trump's inauguration.
11:01Of course,
11:01that changed, right?
11:02When there was
11:03this escalating trade tension
11:05between the two countries
11:06and rhetoric
11:08from the president's part
11:10and fallout
11:11from the confrontation
11:12between Pakistan
11:13and India
11:14in April.
11:16And so,
11:19a year ago,
11:20April, pardon me.
11:20And so,
11:22we find ourselves today
11:23in a place where,
11:25again,
11:25I think the Democratic consensus
11:26is very much,
11:27on India,
11:28is very much the same
11:29as it was
11:30at the sort of
11:31halcyon days
11:32of the two countries.
11:33And it's really
11:34the Republicans
11:34where the wavering
11:35is taking place
11:37as part of
11:37a tougher trade stance
11:39towards India
11:40by the president.
11:43Dr. Tadakarta,
11:45let's look at
11:46the result
11:46which has come in already,
11:48which is Brazil.
11:50Brazil has delivered
11:52a major political verdict
11:53with Lula's victory
11:55over Bolsonaro,
11:57even as the right
11:58retains a substantial
11:59electoral base.
12:01What does this tell us
12:02about the global contest
12:03between established
12:05political parties
12:06and the populist right?
12:07And what lessons
12:08do you think
12:10India should draw
12:11from the resilience
12:12of these political movements?
12:14That's an excellent question.
12:16I think it's
12:18also,
12:19the margin,
12:20I think,
12:20is about 3%
12:21between the two of them,
12:23which shows
12:24there is a massive divide.
12:25Like you said,
12:26there is very little give
12:27between these,
12:29you know,
12:29these two parties.
12:30And I think there's
12:30going to be a challenge.
12:31I hope there's no,
12:32you know,
12:32there's no further trouble
12:33down the line.
12:35But it's really,
12:36I find it so,
12:38not strange perhaps,
12:39perhaps it's inevitable
12:40that the causes
12:41that have led
12:43to the victory of one
12:44has pretty much
12:46is replicated
12:47across the elections
12:48elsewhere as well,
12:49barring Israel,
12:50in the protests in Europe,
12:52rising costs,
12:53et cetera,
12:54all that,
12:54you know,
12:54it's the same things
12:56that you see
12:56in every election.
12:57Everybody in the US,
12:59the main issue
13:00is about inflation,
13:01about rising costs,
13:02about government,
13:03lack of accountability
13:04of the government.
13:05So these,
13:07I think,
13:07are spreading
13:08not just in elections,
13:10but also in the protests
13:11that you see.
13:12It's the same issues,
13:14which is very interesting.
13:15Even,
13:16for example,
13:17in terms of climate change.
13:18Climate change
13:19is not directly
13:20part of the protests,
13:21but it's also part
13:22of the elections here.
13:24It's a very fundamental part.
13:25And, I mean,
13:26personally,
13:26I'm glad that
13:27President Lula has won
13:29because under him
13:30the rainforest
13:30at least is back,
13:31you know,
13:32it's again growing.
13:33I love that.
13:34But these are all
13:36extremely divisive issues
13:38and going ahead,
13:41I don't think
13:43President Trump
13:44is going to be
13:45very happy
13:45with, you know,
13:47the whole Lula's win.
13:48Things are not looking
13:49good as we go along.
13:51But that thin margin,
13:54Maria,
13:54is what is worrying.
13:56That very,
13:57very thin margin
13:57between these two.
13:59Of course,
13:59it's a lot more
14:00than last time,
14:00but it's still
14:01a very thin margin.
14:04I'm going to take
14:05that question
14:06to Philippe,
14:06who continues
14:07to be with us
14:08from Brazil.
14:10And this is
14:11with regards
14:12to what was
14:13being discussed
14:13during the course
14:14of the campaign
14:14and also
14:15the allegation
14:16that came from
14:17President Lula's side
14:19that there was
14:20some kind
14:21of support
14:23or some
14:23Trump administration
14:25support in favor
14:26of Bolsonaro's family.
14:28Was there a sense
14:29particularly
14:29among the electorate
14:31that the level
14:32playing field
14:33was being impacted?
14:34And how much
14:34do you see
14:35that perceived
14:36American interference
14:37in Brazil's democracy
14:39playing as a factor there?
14:42Perhaps swinging it
14:43in favor of
14:44President Lula.
14:46Also by the government,
14:47by President Lula,
14:49that he mentioned
14:52a lot of times,
14:54many times,
14:55very often,
14:55I would say,
14:56that there was
14:57ongoing American
14:59interference.
15:00Well,
15:01since last year,
15:02the U.S.
15:03policy towards Brazil
15:05was very tough
15:06in different areas
15:08of political relations
15:10with Brazil,
15:11commercial trade
15:12and tariffs,
15:13also with India
15:14and with Brazil
15:15as well.
15:16And by political reasons,
15:20I mean,
15:20the U.S. administration,
15:22the Trump,
15:23Mr. Trump administration,
15:25argued that Brazil
15:28was doing a different policy
15:32towards dissenters,
15:35I mean,
15:36political dissidents,
15:38and that they should
15:39also participate
15:41in the elections.
15:42They tried to force Brazil
15:44to do business
15:46with the U.S.,
15:49rather with China
15:52and to have
15:54more commercial advantages.
15:57All of this
15:58made the impression
15:59to Brazilian,
16:02to Brazilian,
16:02the public,
16:04to the Brazilians
16:05as well,
16:05as well,
16:06and to the government
16:07that there was
16:08a kind of American
16:10interference.
16:11It's very hard
16:12to say
16:12how this
16:14could
16:16impact
16:17the electoral
16:19outcome,
16:20but it's clear
16:21that the Gula's
16:22government
16:22made the
16:23sorvente
16:24of Brazil
16:25one of his
16:26main flags
16:27during this campaign
16:29and that
16:30in the end
16:31we could see
16:32nationalism
16:33in the streets
16:34of Brazil
16:35and that
16:37until this point,
16:39until now,
16:40at this moment,
16:41the U.S.
16:42administrations
16:43remained silent.
16:45That was,
16:45this is,
16:46also,
16:48we have to notice
16:48this because
16:50this is not
16:51what happened
16:52when Mr. Trump
16:54won elections
16:55in the U.S.
16:57in 2024.
16:59Lula da Silva
17:01very quickly
17:03came public
17:06and recognized
17:07Mr. Trump's
17:10victory.
17:11over
17:11Kamala Harris
17:13who
17:14Lula
17:15was supporting.
17:16So,
17:17this is a
17:17different
17:18stance
17:19from the
17:20U.S.
17:21administration
17:21towards Brazil
17:23now.
17:23And, well,
17:25Brazil
17:25is watching
17:27all over
17:29the world
17:30and even,
17:30I would say
17:31that there is
17:32an important
17:33ongoing movement
17:36that local
17:37countries,
17:39countries in
17:40our region,
17:41they are very
17:42linked to the U.S.
17:45and politically
17:45and ideologically
17:47are recognizing
17:48mostly
17:49the outcome
17:50of Brazil's
17:51election
17:52such as
17:53worldwide.
17:54Okay.
17:55Alexander,
17:55do you think
17:56that this
17:57kind of
17:57perception
17:58which has
17:58been generated
17:59that the
18:00Trump
18:01administration
18:01is interfering
18:03in the
18:04internal matters
18:05of other
18:07countries?
18:07You know,
18:08it was very
18:09evident that
18:10the Trump
18:11administration
18:12was supporting
18:13the Bolsonaro
18:14family
18:15over
18:17President Lula
18:18and that
18:19has not gone
18:20in his favor.
18:21Of course,
18:21you know,
18:22President Lula
18:22is back and
18:23how.
18:24Do you think
18:25that this
18:26will also
18:26become a
18:27talking point
18:27in the
18:28midterm
18:28polls
18:30given how
18:31it is being
18:32seen as a
18:33referendum
18:33on Donald
18:34Trump the
18:35overall sense
18:36that he
18:38is trying
18:38to impact
18:41election
18:41outcomes
18:42in other
18:42countries?
18:45I don't.
18:46I think
18:46that the
18:47American
18:47public is
18:47very much
18:48focused on
18:48what's
18:48happening
18:49here in
18:49the United
18:50States.
18:51You know,
18:52President Trump
18:52is deeply
18:53unpopular
18:53and when
18:54he has the
18:56lowest approval
18:57rating of any
18:57president at
18:58a midterm
18:58election
19:01schedule point
19:02in the last
19:0280 years.
19:03And so,
19:06if you
19:07look at the
19:07reasons as
19:08to why
19:08Americans
19:09are unhappy
19:10with him,
19:10they cite
19:10things like
19:11affordability.
19:14Some folks
19:14are very upset
19:15with the
19:15immigration
19:15policy.
19:16Some folks
19:17are really
19:17upset with
19:18the way
19:18the economy
19:20is being
19:20handled and
19:21jobs.
19:22And other
19:23people are
19:23really talking
19:24about graft
19:25and what
19:26here is called
19:27grifting,
19:28effectively
19:28trading political
19:30influence off
19:30for private
19:31favors.
19:33and no
19:34one sort
19:35of really
19:35points to
19:36what's
19:37happening
19:37overseas and
19:38their efforts
19:38to impact
19:39foreign
19:39elections.
19:40But this
19:41is about
19:41this foreign
19:42policy.
19:43This is very
19:44much about
19:45what U.S.
19:46is doing
19:47with other
19:47countries or
19:48trying to do
19:48with other
19:49countries.
19:51Absolutely.
19:52At the same
19:53time, as I was
19:54going to say,
19:55that doesn't
19:56mean that
19:58President Trump
19:59himself is
19:59not a
20:00factor in
20:01other
20:01elections.
20:03Again, if you
20:04look at the
20:04polls, Americans
20:05are not
20:05citing foreign
20:06policy, aside
20:07from the
20:07war in Iran,
20:08as a reason
20:09for Trump's
20:10unpopularity.
20:11At the same
20:12time, if you
20:13look at how
20:14elections went
20:14in Canada
20:15and Australia,
20:16people were
20:17very mad at
20:18Trump.
20:18And parties
20:19there that
20:20were not
20:20expected to
20:21win before
20:22his election
20:22won in
20:23landslides.
20:24And in
20:24Canada in
20:24particular,
20:26it fostered
20:27the election
20:27of Mark
20:28Carney, who
20:28effectively is
20:29leading the
20:29international
20:29charge against
20:31President Trump's
20:32trade policy.
20:32And so the
20:34efforts by the
20:35Trump administration
20:35to interfere in
20:36foreign elections,
20:37whether it's in
20:38Germany or
20:39Brazil, through
20:41support, or even
20:42in the recent
20:43Canadian
20:44referendum on
20:46independence by
20:46the province of
20:47Alberta, it's
20:49all backfired.
20:49And so it
20:51hasn't been
20:51successful.
20:52And so to
20:53the extent that
20:53it creates a
20:56negative aura
20:57around the
20:58sort of
20:59powerful image
21:01that President
21:01Trump wants to
21:02project to
21:02Americans, it
21:03has an impact.
21:04But again, I
21:04don't think that
21:05it's what people
21:06are voting on in
21:06the midterms.
21:07Okay.
21:08So, Al-Satka,
21:09how do you see
21:11the outcome
21:12shaping India,
21:14Israel,
21:15intelligence
21:16sharing or,
21:17you know,
21:18defense
21:18cooperation or
21:20other areas of
21:21cooperation and
21:21the wider
21:22regional equation
21:23involving Iran
21:24and the
21:24Gulf?
21:26Well, certainly
21:27I don't see any
21:28impact realistically
21:29between whatever
21:30happens for the
21:31Israeli election.
21:32Whichever side
21:33wins, whether it's
21:34the center-right
21:34that wins or the
21:35right that wins,
21:36the bonds between
21:37Israel and India
21:38are something that
21:38everyone agrees
21:39needs to be
21:40strengthened.
21:40There's really a
21:41bond of brotherhood
21:42between Israel and
21:44India.
21:45We have the same
21:45kind of enemies.
21:47We all know terror
21:48and we know how to
21:49fight it, as we saw
21:50earlier this month
21:51with the heroism
21:52on the Fly
21:53Dubai incident.
21:55And certainly
21:55we expect to see
21:57growing relationship
21:58between the
21:59incredible 1.4
22:01billion people
22:02of India and
22:03the 10 million
22:04people of Israel.
22:05We can share
22:06technology and
22:07various defense
22:08tech.
22:09And I really
22:10think that is
22:11certainly going to
22:11happen with whoever
22:12wins the election.
22:13Certainly there's a
22:14good personal
22:15relationship between
22:15Netanyahu and
22:17Modi.
22:17And no doubt that
22:18will continue,
22:19whether he wins
22:20or not.
22:21But yet I'm sure
22:22that President
22:24Modi, Prime
22:25Minister Modi,
22:26who is absolutely
22:27a statesman of
22:29world-class caliber,
22:30will know how to
22:30do business with
22:31anyone that replaces
22:32Netanyahu if
22:33Netanyahu does not
22:34succeed in the
22:34coming election.
22:36Let me give the
22:37final word to the
22:37woman on the
22:38show.
22:39Dr. Tara
22:39Kartha, with
22:41Brazil's political
22:42direction, Israel's
22:44election and the
22:45U.S. midterms all
22:47in focus, India
22:48clearly is
22:49navigating a
22:50world where
22:50domestic politics
22:51increasingly shapes
22:52foreign policy.
22:54How should New
22:55Delhi manage its
22:56relationships with
22:58Washington, Israel
23:00and Brasilia if
23:01these political
23:01shifts begin to
23:03pull their foreign
23:04policy priorities in
23:05different directions?
23:08You know, luckily
23:09the one good thing,
23:10Maria, is that our
23:11relationship, for
23:12example, with Israel,
23:13as the gentleman
23:13said, that remains.
23:14No matter who
23:16comes, who goes,
23:17that's a very, very
23:18strong relationship.
23:19However, I would
23:20like the war to
23:21stop.
23:22We've just added
23:2314,000 crores to
23:24our fertilizer
23:25subsidy alone.
23:2674,000 crores
23:28deficit because of
23:29the war.
23:29We need that war to
23:30stop no matter who's
23:31there.
23:32That is a given.
23:33In the U.S., I
23:34think it's not going
23:36to be a fundamental
23:37change.
23:37I mean, it will be,
23:38Trump will continue.
23:39I mean, nobody is
23:40going to, at least
23:41as far as I know,
23:43you can't really,
23:44technically speaking,
23:44you can't remove
23:45him or anything.
23:46So he continues.
23:47But some of those
23:48legislation is going
23:49to have a problem.
23:50I think all that
23:51will definitely, I
23:52think the way the
23:53Pew research polls
23:54are showing, it
23:54seems like the
23:55Dems are going to
23:56have a run in
23:57the Congress.
23:59In Brazil, to be
24:01honest, the biggest
24:02challenge is that
24:03under President
24:04Lula, the amount
24:06of Chinese investment
24:07has gone up quite
24:08a bit.
24:09We are talking of
24:10$6 billion last
24:11year.
24:11I don't have the
24:12latest figures.
24:13So that was a
24:14challenge then, it's
24:15a challenge now.
24:16So essentially what
24:17I'm saying is, it's
24:19pretty much, barring the
24:20US, where anything
24:21could happen and
24:22does, the rest of it
24:23is handling things as
24:25we go.
24:26And I think we've been
24:26fairly fleet-footed
24:29as of now.
24:30We've managed pretty
24:32well.
24:32And let's see where
24:34this goes.
24:35All right.
24:36And Dr. Tara
24:37Kartha will continue
24:38to be on our
24:39shows over the
24:39next few days.
24:40So really appreciate
24:41your time.
24:42So also, Alexander
24:42Slatter, Philippe and
24:44Dr. Kartha, I
24:45appreciate your time.
24:46Thank you for
24:46joining us on this
24:47broadcast.
24:48That's all from me.
24:49Thanks so much.