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00:09Vice President Sara Duterte at
00:10ang kanyang asawang si Atty. Manz Carpio.
00:13Inusisa rin sa paglilitis
00:14ang koneksyon umano sa China
00:16ng kumpanyang iniugnay sa mag-asawa.
00:19Saksi si Joseph Moro.
00:24Sa pagsisimula ng 34 na araw
00:26ng impeachment trial laban kay
00:28Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:30ipaniliwanag at humingi ng paumanhin
00:32si Defense Counsel Mark Minluan,
00:34kaugnay sa tila naging pagwabanta niya kahapon.
00:36It is never our intention
00:38to cause intimidation,
00:41especially to the members
00:42of this Honorable Impeachment Court,
00:44lalong-lalo na po kay Sen. Judge Lapid.
00:47But if in any way a different message
00:48was indirectly conveyed,
00:50I personally apologize
00:52and commit to be more circumspect.
00:54Iginiit ng depensa na hindi ibig sabihin
00:57ay kina Vice President Sara Duterte
00:58at asawang Atty. Manz Carpio
01:01ang pumasok na pera
01:02sa mga transaksyon ng mga korporasyon
01:04na laman ng report ng Anti-Money Laundering Council.
01:06A corporation is a separate
01:08juridical personality
01:09from that of a natural person
01:12who may or may not be a stockholder
01:13of that corporation.
01:15Yes, Your Honor.
01:16Does the AMLC have any record
01:18of how much
01:20of these transactions
01:22by Cali 88 Foods Corporation
01:24redounded to the benefit
01:26of VP Sara and Atty. Manz?
01:30Redounded to the benefit, Your Honor?
01:32There is none.
01:34There is none.
01:34Nakasaad sa record ng AMLAC
01:36na nasa 4.4 billion pesos
01:38ang naglabas-masok na pera
01:40sa mag-asawa
01:40mula 2007 hanggang 2025.
01:43Mayroon namang mahigit
01:455.3 billion pesos
01:46na covered at suspicious transactions
01:48sa labi-limang kumpanya
01:50na iniuugnay sa mag-asawa.
01:52Kabilang dyan
01:52ang Cali 88 Foods Corporation
01:54na nakadeklara
01:55sa 2025 sale ng BC.
01:58Tumanggap umano ang kumpanya
01:59ng pinatiyang 319 million pesos
02:01mula China at Hong Kong.
02:03Gate ng depensa,
02:04wala raw ebidensya
02:05na galing ang pera
02:06sa gobyerno ng China.
02:08No records of AMLAC
02:10show that China as a country
02:13funneled funds
02:14to Cali 88, correct?
02:16As far as I recall
02:17and based on record,
02:18there is no showing here.
02:20Pero ayon kay Senator Judge
02:21Wisa Ontiveros,
02:22pagmamayari ng gobyerno
02:24ng China
02:24ang ilan sa mga kumpanya.
02:26Lumalabas na ilan
02:27sa nagpadala ng pera
02:29sa Cali 88
02:30ay mga Chinese
02:32state-owned enterprises.
02:34Itong Xinjiang Fruit Industry Group,
02:37it's a Chinese
02:38state-owned enterprise.
02:40It advances the interests
02:42of the Chinese Communist Party.
02:45It has its own
02:46Chinese Communist Party Committee,
02:49Party Committee Organization Department
02:51at 11 subordinate subcommittees
02:54o party branches.
02:56Tanong naman ni Senator Judge Rafi Tulfo.
02:58Hindi pa kaduda-duda
03:00na karimian sa mga milyones
03:01na pondo
03:02na pumasok sa Cali 88
03:03ay galing sa mga bansa
03:04ang may critical
03:06na reputasyon
03:08sa money laundering
03:09gaya halimbawa
03:09ng Russia,
03:10Kazakhstan,
03:12Tajikistan,
03:13South Africa.
03:14Your Honor,
03:15apologize,
03:15but I cannot make
03:16a conclusion.
03:17Ayon sa depensa,
03:19hindi sapat na basihan
03:20ng suspicious transaction reports
03:21para ihayag
03:22na mayroong iligal
03:23na transaksyon
03:24ng BSE.
03:25We cannot determine
03:25illegality
03:26on the
03:28premise
03:29of just a report.
03:30In other words,
03:31an STR
03:32is therefore
03:34not a legal
03:35conclusion
03:36that there is
03:37money laundering,
03:38correct?
03:39Illegal conclusion
03:40that there is
03:40money laundering?
03:41Yes, Your Honor.
03:42Pero inusisa
03:43ni Senator Judge
03:44Bam Aquino
03:45ang bilyong-bilyong piso
03:46na dumaan
03:46sa mga account
03:47ng mag-asawa.
03:48Bilyong piso
03:49ang dumaan
03:50sa mga account nila.
03:51Can you
03:52say that
03:53with certainty?
03:54Based on
03:54our tabulation,
03:56Your Honor,
03:56there are
03:58billions,
03:59at least
04:00as indicated
04:01po.
04:02Ayon naman
04:02kay presiding
04:03Officer
04:03Chisa Scudero,
04:05kahit pagsamahin
04:06ang halaga
04:07ng idinigtarang
04:07salin ng BSE
04:08mula 2022
04:09hanggang 2025
04:10at ang sweldo
04:12nito mula
04:122007
04:13hanggang 2025,
04:15hindi raw
04:15aabot ang mga ito
04:16sa nakitang halaga
04:17ng mga transaksyon
04:19ng AMLOC.
04:19It totaled
04:20336
04:23million
04:23and change.
04:26Hindi pa rin
04:27umabot
04:27ng 424.
04:29What would
04:30explain
04:30this huge
04:31amount?
04:34Pusibli ba
04:34yung in and out?
04:37Ah,
04:38hindi ko po
04:39masagot,
04:39hindi ko po
04:40nakita yung
04:40sa salin,
04:41spread din po,
04:42as reported
04:43to us po.
04:44So,
04:44hindi nyo po
04:45kayang paliwanag.
04:46You cannot explain
04:47how it reached
04:51424 million.
04:53Assuming the
04:54presumption of this
04:57representation is correct
04:59with respect to her salin.
05:04Nang matapos ang cross-examination,
05:06agad na sumalang
05:07ang mga representative
05:08ng mga banko
05:09kung saan may account
05:10ng BC at asawa nito,
05:11pati ang mga umunay
05:13business interest nila.
05:14Unang sumalang
05:15ang mga bank manager
05:16ng Land Bank
05:17sa Davao,
05:18nauna sa witness stand
05:19si Eunice Sumatra
05:20na manager
05:21ng Land Bank
05:22San Pedro Davao branch.
05:23Sa gitna ng
05:24direct examination
05:25ng prosecution,
05:26sinubukan nilang
05:27madaliin ang proseso,
05:28lalo na at
05:29intensyon lamang
05:29daw nila
05:30na ipakitan tunay
05:31ang mga bank document,
05:33bagay na tinutulan
05:34naman ng depensa.
05:35There's proper procedure
05:37as regards
05:38identification
05:38and authentication
05:39of documents.
05:41We may have
05:42questions regarding
05:43specific documents
05:44that she may have brought.
05:45Ipinunto ng prosecution
05:47na sa 30 bank accounts
05:48sa 8 banko
05:49mula 2022,
05:50hanggang 2025,
05:52may ikabuang
05:52year-end balance
05:53raw ito
05:54na 190 million pesos.
05:57Hindi yung muna ito
05:58ay diniklara
05:58ng bisay
05:59sa kanyang salin.
06:00Mga numero lamang po ito,
06:02hindi nagbabago
06:03ang mga numero
06:05dahil sa politika
06:06o sa paulit-ulit
06:08na objeksyon.
06:09Kung tama
06:10at nagtutugma
06:11ang lahat,
06:12wala namang
06:13dapat ikatakot,
06:14ipakita lang
06:15ng buong-buo
06:16at hayaan
06:17ng mga dokumento
06:18at ebidensya
06:19ang magsalita.
06:20Matapos naman
06:21ma-authenticate
06:22na sumatra
06:22ang mga dokumento,
06:24sumunod na tumestigo
06:25si Raquel De La Serna
06:26na branch manager
06:27ng Land Bank Davao
06:28Armag Saisay.
06:30Inauthenticate rin niya
06:31ang mga bank records
06:32sa kanyang branch
06:33at kinumpirma
06:34na ang dalawang bank account
06:35roon ng bisay
06:36ay pareho
06:37ng closed
06:38o hindi active.
06:39Isa naman daw
06:40ang bank account
06:41doon
06:41ng Atty.
06:41ni Manz Carpio
06:42na active pa rin
06:43hanggang ngayon.
06:45Ipinunto ng prosekusyon
06:46na nasa 115,000 pesos
06:48hanggang halos
06:491.4 million pesos
06:51ang year-end balances
06:52ng account ni Carpio
06:54mula 2022
06:54hanggang 2025.
06:56Kaya nakadirekta
06:57ang pagtatanong
06:58ng depensas
06:59kung paano
06:59wala o manong
07:00kinalaman
07:01ng bisay
07:01sa account
07:02ng kanyang mister.
07:03Being married
07:04to someone
07:04does not make
07:06the spouse
07:07an authorized
07:08signatory
07:09for that account.
07:10Correct?
07:11These are two different
07:11or distinct individuals, sir.
07:13You do not send
07:14a separate copy
07:16of notices
07:17to the account holder
07:19spouse.
07:19Correct?
07:20Yes, sir.
07:21And you do not
07:22automatically notify
07:23the spouse
07:24whenever a deposit
07:25or a withdrawal
07:26is made.
07:27Correct?
07:28Yes, sir.
07:29Matapos konsultahin
07:30ang magkabilang panig
07:31naglabas
07:32ng panibagong
07:33ruling
07:33si presiding
07:34officer
07:34Jesus Cudero
07:35para raw
07:36mapabilis
07:36ang proseso.
07:37Anya,
07:37ang bank
07:38at insurance
07:38record
07:39na isinimente
07:39sa impeachment
07:40court
07:40sa pamamagitan
07:41ng Sabina
07:42ay ituturing
07:43na tiyak
07:43ang pinagmulan
07:44pero maaari
07:45pa rin daw
07:46itong
07:46questionin
07:46ng depensa
07:47kung may makikitang
07:48mali
07:48o kaduda-duda.
07:59Bukas nakatakdang
08:00sumalang
08:01sa witness stand
08:02ng iba pang
08:02bank
08:02representatives.
08:06Ako si
08:07Joseph Morong
08:07ang inyong
08:08saksi.
08:08Bukas nakatakdang
08:10Bukas nakatakdang
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