00:03PANNO NGA BA ICOMPYUTE ANG BOTO PARA SA CONVICTION O AKWITAL NI VICE PRESIDENT SARA DUTERTE?
00:09KINUNSULTA NA IMPEACHMENT COURT KAOGNAY NITO
00:12ANG APAT NA AMNICHI CURE O FRIENDS OF THE COURT
00:16NA MGA RITERADONG CHIEF JUSTICE AT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE NANG KORTE SUPREMA
00:20SA SALIGANG BATAS, KILANGAN NANG BOTO NANG TWO THIRDS
00:24NANG LAHAT NANG MEMBRO NANG SENADO PARA MAKONVICT
00:27AT KUNG 24 ANLAT NANG SENADOR, LABING-ANIM ANG TWO THIRDS NITO
00:31SABIN NANG TATLO SA AMNICHI CURE, MAARING MABAGO ANG PAGBABASIHAN BILANG NANG MGA SENADOR
00:38KAPWA BINANGGIT NI NA RETIRED CHIEF JUSTICE ARTEMIO PANGANIBAN
00:42AT RETIRED CHIEF JUSTICE RAINATO PUNO
00:45ANG KAPANGYARIHAN NANG SENADO SA IMPEACHMENT
00:47KABILANG ANG DESISYON SA ISSUE NANG THRESHOLD SA PAGBOTO
00:51ARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 SHOULD HAVE SIMPLY STATED
00:59THAT THE NUMBER OF VOTES TO CONVICT IS 16 PERIOD
01:08BUT ARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 DID NOT SAY SO
01:14INSTEAD THE LANGUAGE USE A FRACTION
01:21IT SAYS TWO THIRDS OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
01:29BY USING TWO THIRDS
01:35THE NUMBER OF VOTES TO CONVICT WILL HAVE TO MOVE
01:41DEPENDING ON CERTAIN FACTORS
01:47BUT MORE THAN THAT, YOUR HONORS
01:51A STRICT STAND-ALONE LITERAL INTERPRETATION
01:56OF PARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 MAY RESULT IN ABSURDITIES
02:05AND MAY RESULT IN INJUSTICES
02:11WHICH WILL DEFIT THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSTITUTION
02:16REALITY SOMETIMES, YOUR HONORS,
02:20CHANGES THE DENOMINATOR IN MATHEMATICS
02:23IN THE SAME WAY, CONSTITUTIONAL INTERPRETATION
02:27CANNOT ALWAYS STOP AT ABSTRACT MATHEMATICS
02:32WE MUST LOOK AT THE INTENT
02:34AND THE PURPOSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS
02:38THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY OPERATE
02:41HINDI NAKADALO SI RETURN CHIEF JUSTICE
02:43LARIO DAVIDE JR. KAYA BINASA NA LANG
02:46ANG IPINADALAN NYANG POSISYON SA ISSUE
02:49CLEARLY THEN, THE BASIS OF COMPUTING,
02:51THE TWO THIRDS MUST BE THE NUMBER
02:53OF SENATORS WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO VOTE,
02:56NOT THE 24 IN THE PRESENT SENATE.
02:58ALL THOSE DISQUALIFIED BY REASON OF CAUSES
03:01EARLIER MENTIONED SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
03:03Tingin ni Davide, nakasama sa mga bumalangkas ng 1987 Constitution,
03:08hindi intensyon ng framers ng Constitution na isama sa all members
03:14ang mga na-expell na, mga hindi nakadala sa hearing,
03:17tulad ng mga nasa ibang bansa,
03:19yung mga nagtatago para hindi maaresto,
03:22yung mga naharap sa legal impediment or restraint,
03:25gaya ng naharap sa kasong plunder at iba pa.
03:28Pero hindi sang-ayon dito,
03:30si Retard Supreme Court Associate Justice Adolfo Azcuna,
03:33na isa rin sa framers ng 1987 Constitution.
03:37Sa jaraw, pinahirap ang requirement para hindi basta napapatalsik
03:42ang isang opisyal na halal ng taong bayan.
03:44That the reference in this provision is to all members of the Senate.
03:52As long as they are members of the Senate,
03:55they constitute the denominator and computing the threshold of two-thirds.
04:03Because all means all.
04:06Tinanong din ang impeachment court,
04:08pwede bang bumoto ang isang senator judge na hindi substantial
04:12ang paglahok sa trial?
04:14Sagot ni Puno,
04:15maaaring ikonsidera ng mga senator judge
04:18ang iba pa nilang kasamahan na nakakulong.
04:21Bagamat ideal daw na nakita ng isang judge
04:25ang testimonya na isang witness,
04:27pwede rin naman daw siyang magdesisyon
04:29batay sa mga dokumento.
04:30At sa mga korte,
04:32pwede rin daw na online ang witness.
04:34Tanong naman ni panganiban,
04:36makatotohanan at patas bang payagan
04:39ang mga absent na senador
04:41na bumoto kahit hindi naman nila narinig ang testimonya
04:45ng mga witness
04:45at hindi nakita ang kanilang kilos.
04:48You are tasked with a constitutional duty
04:51that cannot always be reduced
04:54to abstract arithmetic.
04:58Neither
05:01can such duty be performed
05:03in the shadows of absence,
05:06nor from legal impediments.
05:08I respectfully submit
05:09that only in this manner
05:11can your honours
05:13ensure a verdict
05:14that is fair to the parties,
05:16fair to your honours' peers,
05:19and ultimately,
05:21fair to our sovereign people.
05:24Sabi ni Ascuna,
05:25internal matter ito
05:27para sa impeachment court
05:28pero sa tingin niya,
05:29may ding payagan ng judge
05:31na nakapanumpa.
05:33Para kay Davide,
05:34ang senador na hindi nakadalo
05:36ng kahit isang sesyo
05:37ng impeachment court
05:38ay dapat ituring na tulad
05:40nung mga nasa
05:41labas ng horisdiksyon
05:42ng Pilipinas.
05:44Bago pa mag-umpisa
05:45ang mismong trial
05:46nitong Julio,
05:47nagpasya
05:48ang iniluklok na
05:49presiding officer
05:50na si Senador
05:51Cheez Escudero
05:52na labing-anim
05:53ang kailangan boto
05:54para makonvict.
05:56Sabi ni panganiban kanina,
05:58maaring baguhin ni Escudero
05:59ang kanyang naging pasya.
06:01Pero tugon ni Escudero,
06:03mas mainam na pagbotohan ito
06:05ng impeachment court
06:06para malinaw.
06:07Tanong naman ni Sen. Judge
06:08Kiko Pangilinan,
06:10kung gagawin
06:11ang pagbabagong ito
06:12sa kalagitnaan na
06:13ng impeachment proceedings,
06:15malalabag ba
06:15ang due process
06:16ng respondent
06:17na si Vice President
06:18Sara Duterte?
06:21Wala pa pong paglabag
06:23sapagkat hindi pa kayo
06:25bumoboto eh.
06:26In other words,
06:27it has not been implemented.
06:29You are doing this
06:32meeting so that
06:33you cannot be accused
06:34of grave abuse
06:35of discretion.
06:36Kung ang ginagawa po
06:38ay tinatalakay.
06:40Kung ano talaga yung
06:43meaning
06:47particular rule na yun,
06:51ay hindi po
06:52changing the rule yun.
06:54Ay tinatama lang yung
06:57dapat na maging
07:00interpretation
07:01ng rule.
07:03Dapat mag
07:04yung aakit sa
07:06Supreme Court
07:07mas demonstrate
07:08an injury.
07:12Paano mong i-de-demonstrate
07:14yung injury na yun?
07:17Kung wala pang
07:18final
07:20interpretation
07:21yung
07:22Senate.
07:24I fully
07:25concur with my
07:26colleagues,
07:27Your Honor,
07:28because the
07:29question
07:30of the
07:31interpretation
07:32of the
07:34two-thirds
07:34is a
07:35procedural
07:36matter.
07:38And
07:38procedural
07:39matters
07:40can be
07:40retroactive.
07:41There is
07:42no vested
07:43right
07:43to a
07:44procedure.
07:45Nagpatanong
07:46din ang mga
07:47abogado ng
07:47BICE sa
07:48pamamagitan
07:49ni Escudero.
07:50Kung maaari
07:51palang baguhin
07:52ang bilang
07:53ng botong
07:53itinakda
07:54ng saligang
07:55batas
07:55para sa
07:56mga
07:56kritikal
07:56na usapin,
07:57kagaya
07:58ng impeachment
07:59at
07:59deklarasyon
08:00ng
08:00martial law,
08:01ano po
08:02ang garantiya
08:03na hindi
08:03ito gagamitin
08:04para siguruhin
08:05ng isang
08:06pangulo
08:07o opisyal
08:08at kanyang
08:09mga
08:09kaalyado
08:09ay mananatili
08:10sa kapangyarihan
08:11at supili
08:12ng kanilang
08:13mga
08:13kalaban
08:13sa
08:14politika.
08:14Kaya
08:15nga po,
08:15yan po
08:15ang
08:16panganib
08:17na
08:19abusuhin
08:20ng isang
08:21pangulo
08:22the power
08:23of who
08:24can
08:24attend,
08:25who can
08:26prevent
08:28the
08:28fellow
08:29members
08:30from
08:30attending
08:31the
08:32proceedings.
08:33Sabi
08:34ni
08:34Senator
08:34Judge
08:35Pia
08:35Cayetano,
08:36may mga
08:37dahilan
08:37kung bakit
08:38wala sa
08:38impeachment
08:39trial
08:39ang mga
08:40kasamahan
08:40nila.
08:41We have
08:41two
08:42senators
08:42in jail.
08:43Another
08:43senator
08:44is in
08:44hiding
08:45because
08:45he was
08:45threatened
08:46na maglalabas
08:47ng
08:47ICC
08:47warrant.
08:48And
08:48then
08:48a
08:49fourth
08:49senator
08:49is
08:51on
08:51medical
08:51leave
08:51but
08:52she
08:52also
08:52was
08:53told
08:54na
08:54mapafiilan
08:54siya
08:54ng
08:55plunder
08:55cases.
08:55So
08:56I
08:57will
08:57tell
08:58you
08:58all
08:58now
08:58am
08:59I
08:59pressured?
09:00I
09:01am.
09:02I
09:03am.
09:08I
09:08fear
09:09for
09:09my
09:09liberty.
09:10Paalala
09:11ni
09:11puno
09:12kailangan
09:13matiyak
09:13na walang
09:14malalabag
09:14na
09:14karapatan
09:15para
09:15hindi
09:16ito
09:16maireklama
09:16sa
09:17Korte
09:17Suprema
09:17bilang
09:18grave
09:18abuse
09:19of
09:19discretion.
09:20Marereview
09:21lang
09:22po
09:22yan
09:22kapag
09:23kayong
09:24naging
09:25kapasyahan
09:26ng
09:27Senate
09:28Impeachment
09:30Court
09:31ay
09:32lalabag
09:33halimbawa
09:33doon
09:35sa
09:35karapatan
09:36ng
09:36isang
09:37respondent
09:38example
09:40karapatan
09:41to have
09:42judges
09:43who are
09:44fair
09:44and
09:45imparsyan.
09:46The
09:46Supreme
09:47Court
09:47has
09:48definite
09:48standards
09:50to follow
09:50to decide
09:52cases
09:52involving
09:53violations
09:54of due
09:55process.
09:55Sabi
09:56ni
09:57panganiban
09:57simple
09:58lang
09:58ang
09:58batayan
09:58kung
09:59dapat
09:59bang
09:59bumoto
10:00ang
10:00isang
10:00senator
10:01judge
10:01na
10:01hindi
10:02naman
10:02present
10:03sa
10:03trial.
10:04Are they
10:04in a
10:05position
10:05to know
10:05the
10:06truth
10:07so
10:07that
10:08they
10:08can
10:08render
10:08a
10:09fair
10:10judgment?
10:11If
10:12they're
10:12not
10:12in a
10:12position
10:13to know
10:13the
10:13truth
10:14then
10:15they
10:15should
10:15not
10:15dare
10:16vote
10:17and
10:17participate
10:18because
10:19that
10:19will
10:20be
10:20unfairness
10:21to
10:21our
10:21people.
10:21Ang
10:22hinahanap
10:23po
10:23ng
10:23ating
10:23bayan
10:24ay
10:26justisya
10:27mula
10:28sa
10:28Senado.
10:29I speak
10:30from the
10:30point of
10:30view
10:31of those
10:32of our
10:33people
10:33not
10:35from the
10:35point of
10:35view
10:35of the
10:36judges.
10:36Ako
10:37si
10:38Sandra
10:38Aguinaldo
10:39ang
10:39inyong
10:40saksi.
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