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00:00:28The home of every outdoor fountain in the world
00:00:30The home of every outdoor fountain in the world
00:01:00The supraorbital ridge, the shoulders, the chest, the forearms
00:01:04And then, like a light, it went out.
00:01:22And a luminous figure gradually formed in front of the team of researchers.
00:01:29Good evening and welcome to the mystery ship
00:01:32Dr. Barry Taff says so
00:01:35Principal head of the parapsychology chair at the University of California
00:01:42Do you remember the terrible story of Carla Moran from two weeks ago?
00:01:45The woman who suffered attacks from an entity of origin to a famous film lens
00:01:51We thought that the whole case was closed.
00:01:53We reopened it with a bit of luck.
00:01:55They're going to find out what really happened
00:01:58They're going to come face to face with the main protagonist.
00:02:01Do you remember doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists?
00:02:04Examining a woman suffering from bruising?
00:02:06Violent blows?
00:02:08Objects that were being transported in their own home?
00:02:10It's impressive to listen to a doctor
00:02:13Telling what really happened to them
00:02:15It surpasses any fiction
00:02:16We're going to meet him tonight.
00:02:19We will also talk about a global fear
00:02:21A different kind of fear
00:02:22A fear that haunts us all
00:02:23At least in the West
00:02:25Look
00:02:27I was reviewing
00:02:29Gathering some old covers from the archives
00:02:31And despite the fact that we are in the world of audiovisual media
00:02:35Where the image merges, moves, decomposes
00:02:37Suddenly finding myself face to face with these flat pages again
00:02:41With these absolutely stunning images
00:02:44It reminded me of many things
00:02:46Time magazine cover
00:02:49This scene
00:02:49And only
00:02:52September 11, 2001
00:02:53As if pointing
00:02:54That as a result
00:02:56From this begins a new world
00:02:59And in that new world
00:03:00There is
00:03:02Something
00:03:02Which many describe as
00:03:05The devil, the enemy
00:03:06Al Qaeda
00:03:07The base
00:03:08What do we really know about Al Qaeda?
00:03:10How many men are in it?
00:03:12Where is its figurehead?
00:03:14Osama Bin Laden
00:03:14Is it true that he was trained by the CIA?
00:03:16Is it true that others claim that Al Qaeda is a hoax invented by someone?
00:03:20Are they conspiring against her today?
00:03:21And finally
00:03:23We'll start with a particular kind of terror
00:03:26The terror that can devastate us
00:03:28Suddenly in the early morning
00:03:30In the form of a dream
00:03:31Because we continue our research on dreams
00:03:35From his dreams
00:03:36And in this case
00:03:37And in this case
00:03:38It's a dream
00:03:38In keeping with the times of distress
00:03:41This sudden setting will be familiar to him.
00:03:43It happens the same way in all cities
00:03:46In every street in Spain
00:03:47For rent
00:03:48For sale
00:03:49The stagnant economy
00:03:50The anguish
00:03:52Precariousness
00:03:54Does that influence dreams?
00:03:56Are there dreams from this time of darkness?
00:03:58I am convinced
00:04:00That this story
00:04:01Recreated by our colleague Fernando Ribes
00:04:04It's going to make many feel
00:04:06Unfortunately
00:04:08Identified
00:04:14Good morning
00:04:15Sit down
00:04:19Antonio Márquez
00:04:20Let's see
00:04:21Antonio
00:04:21Paco, don't mess with me
00:04:23You always call me Tony
00:04:24What's going on?
00:04:25Antonio, please
00:04:26The issue is very serious.
00:04:27Okay, tell me
00:04:28It's not official
00:04:29But from above
00:04:30I've been told to make an assessment
00:04:32A list
00:04:33A list?
00:04:35Yeah
00:04:35About what?
00:04:37Sales
00:04:38A list
00:04:40And am I on that list?
00:04:42You are all here
00:04:42It's a sales ranking
00:04:45Well, I've sold a lot in recent years
00:04:47It's only from the last exercise
00:04:48I've made you a lot of money
00:04:50That doesn't count anymore.
00:04:52What do you mean it doesn't count anymore?
00:04:53I've been working here with you for over 10 years
00:04:55Tony, Tony, calm down.
00:04:56You haven't sold a single fucking apartment all year.
00:05:00Nobody is selling anything right now in this country.
00:05:02My trusted clients are waiting
00:05:04Already
00:05:05But those at the top don't wait.
00:05:08Give me time
00:05:09Give me a couple of months
00:05:10I promise you that...
00:05:11It's not up to me
00:05:13You've been warned
00:05:31No, hello
00:05:36Have they called from the school?
00:05:39Hey?
00:05:40The bank that returned the receipt
00:05:44No, don't worry
00:05:45I'll sort it out tomorrow, okay?
00:05:47How was your day?
00:05:50Good
00:05:51As usual
00:05:51Let's have dinner on the rule
00:05:56Tony
00:05:59Tony
00:06:00How was your day?
00:06:07What's happening?
00:06:46What's happening?
00:07:09What's happening?
00:07:18What's happening?
00:07:41This toothache has been recurring constantly, especially in the last two months. Could it be related, or is there a problem?
00:07:47No?
00:07:47We have exceptional guests to talk about this particular dream and to discuss the enigma of dreams.
00:07:51Little by little we want to decipher, or at least understand, as much as possible, because it remains the great threshold.
00:07:58No?
00:07:58a great place to investigate, a place to delve into to find out what's happening within ourselves.
00:08:03And I say exceptional because the Professor of Physiology from the University is with us.
00:08:06From Seville, Professor Miguel Escudero, who is also the director of the Neuroscience Research Group
00:08:12and Behavior, who are currently working on this subject and who will speak to us,
00:08:17I believe it's one of the most amazing real mysteries, because everyone, or almost everyone I think,
00:08:22We experience them every night, the eye movements that occur in some phases of sleep.
00:08:29Professor, welcome, thank you very much.
00:08:31Thank you.
00:08:32Well, that's it, the first unknown, those movements that have been talked about so much, movements
00:08:38reindeer, which occur at a certain point in sleep, does this happen to everyone or only to some people?
00:08:43No, that happens to absolutely everyone every night, unless there's some underlying medical condition.
00:08:48that prevents it, but in general we all suffer the same type of processes.
00:08:53Anyway, sleep is a rather complex process; it seems to us that we close our eyes,
00:08:58We opened the door and went through a different place, and that's not how it is.
00:09:03In other words, throughout sleep there are a lot of different phases that they go through, to the
00:09:06During sleep there are many different phases that we go through.
00:09:10It's more like a long corridor, and we go through door after door along it.
00:09:15at night. So, from a physiological point of view, we must distinguish between two types
00:09:19of completely different activities. The first of these are two rhythmic activities
00:09:24which alternate throughout the night. When we go to sleep, at first
00:09:31During the first 90 minutes we will gradually immerse ourselves throughout that
00:09:36hallway, we're going to gradually change our brain activity, the activity is happening
00:09:42Cortical activity, the activity of the cerebral cortex, slows down; all neurons gradually
00:09:46synchronizing.
00:09:4790 minutes, they've even come to the time.
00:09:50Temporality is very well understood in humans and in many species, and in humans in particular.
00:09:55This phase lasts 90 minutes and is called non-REM by opposition.
00:10:00which comes next, which is the REM phase, which is the phase characterized by the
00:10:04rapid eye movements, hence the English acronym for rapid eye movements, which is what
00:10:08which indicates REM. Then, during that non-REM phase, there are in turn four distinct phases,
00:10:15That is, in those first 90 minutes. The first two involve daydreaming, the last two
00:10:20Very little. If someone wakes up during that first part of sleep, in those first two phases,
00:10:26What he's going to tell us is a story usually related to his problems, that is, there are
00:10:32a kind of pseudo-reality incorporated into that part of the dream.
00:10:36In those first two phases of the dream map, right?
00:10:38From the map, of the four phases that non-REM sleep has. In the other two, no. In
00:10:43the
00:10:43In the last two cases, the activity of the cortex is as if we were under anesthesia.
00:10:48practically. There is a near-complete blockage of all sensory information.
00:10:53We can receive, but there is no cortical processing. The cortex is as if we were anesthetized.
00:11:00How curious! Then the professor is going to explain to us, well, the dream map, right?
00:11:05How wonderful it is to see this and also to share it in an educational way with so many people
00:11:08So that I, who didn't know, can find out. Now we're entering that REM phase.
00:11:13What happens there? So much has been written, so much has been said. That's where the nightmares reside.
00:11:17The longings, the weaknesses that some claim to have, in short. It accompanies us, of course.
00:11:21our exceptional guide in the world of dreams, our beloved companion,
00:11:24colleague and friend, Clara Taoces, author of the dictionary of dreams, and whom I am sure has seen
00:11:29She's very curious about this, something she knows very well. Because, Clara, good night.
00:11:33Good evening, Ezequiel.
00:11:34This often came to you from people who would say, "Hey, I'm constantly dreaming."
00:11:37With great anguish, this happened to this poor man who couldn't sell apartments.
00:11:43A distressing and, of course, very recurring dream that many people have told me about.
00:11:49I've had that dream myself.
00:11:50You've had it. I think I've had it too, at some point.
00:11:53Almost everyone at some point in their life may have a similar dream,
00:11:56because we will look a little into the meaning of this dream and then we will discover that,
00:12:00Sometimes, we may have a reason for having it.
00:12:03Of course, it is distressing, but it is also very archetypal.
00:12:06In other words, tonight's viewers are very likely to identify with this dream.
00:12:13And, in fact, it seems to me that many people have sent this dream,
00:12:16So... each one on their own, right?
00:12:20In other words, it's something that happens quite frequently.
00:12:23Dreams for a time of crisis.
00:12:25As we said, we're going to try to find an interpretation, and this can be debated.
00:12:30And everyone can think what they want, of course, but at least a brief sample so that we can understand a little.
00:12:35They have been arriving recently from different provinces, from different parts of the world,
00:12:39Because this program spreads like wildfire across social media, I mean,
00:12:42and they coincide in people from very different cultural and sociological backgrounds,
00:12:48Identical scenes in dreams, aren't they?
00:12:50Yes, they do have some variations, but it is true that it is one of the most recurring dreams.
00:12:55that arrive in the Fourth Millennium mailbox.
00:12:57For example, Noemi, from Granada, told us that a week ago she dreamed that she was looking in the mirror,
00:13:04I could see that he had many teeth, especially in his lower jaw,
00:13:09that he had them one on top of the other, that he didn't like them at all,
00:13:12And then she would start pulling them off herself, one by one.
00:13:16He said there was no blood, that he felt no pain,
00:13:19but those teeth would soon grow back,
00:13:23They were very weak, and looked more like nails than teeth,
00:13:26And as soon as he touched them with his tongue, they fell off again and again and again.
00:13:30All night long he kept telling us he was anxiously dreaming about it.
00:13:34In other words, more teeth than normal.
00:13:37And tearing it off.
00:13:38Off the top of my head, is there any, let's say, clear concept or understanding of the general direction regarding sleep?
00:13:48Where do our teeth fall out? Could we say something?
00:13:49Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, the issue of one tooth falling out, or several teeth, or all of your teeth,
00:13:56Let's keep in mind that teeth, being as we are, primitive in reality,
00:14:02It's a weapon. In other words, teeth have always been a way to defend ourselves.
00:14:07for chewing, for biting.
00:14:08Now we are more refined and use them for eating,
00:14:11but it still has a component of aggression, on the one hand,
00:14:16and on the other hand it also symbolizes the vitality of the individual.
00:14:20So, of course, it depends a lot on the type of dream, and on who has it.
00:14:23The meaning varies depending on the circumstances.
00:14:25For example, this dream of this television viewer, Noemi,
00:14:30He tells us that he had more teeth than he should have and that he was taking them out.
00:14:34These are situations that distress her, and they may even involve people around her.
00:14:39which cause her displeasure, a series of discomforts, problems,
00:14:43and that he would like to get rid of those problems, but he knows he can't because they keep coming back.
00:14:49In other words, the problems are still there, whether they be people,
00:14:52call them situations that are encountered in life at certain times,
00:14:56or other types of problems that will depend a lot, of course, on the dreamer,
00:15:00from the person who has the dream, which we cannot know from here,
00:15:03with the data he provides.
00:15:05Carmen was talking about how this person who was dreaming felt no pain in the process
00:15:09which seems like it must be painful.
00:15:11However, many people, myself included, and surely many others,
00:15:14Yes, in dreams, when you get stabbed, or gored by a bull,
00:15:18or I don't know, or anything that might happen to you,
00:15:20You feel some pain, or you identify pain in the dream.
00:15:23Does it happen that in the human body, at a physiological level,
00:15:26Is something else happening to cause that pain?
00:15:28Or some kind of injury, or some kind of reproduction of that real, physical, organic pain,
00:15:35Shall we turn it into a dream?
00:15:36Has that been investigated, professor?
00:15:38Okay, let's see.
00:15:39There are several possibilities.
00:15:43During that non-ren phase I mentioned earlier,
00:15:46There is still a certain capacity to sense from the external world.
00:15:52So we incorporate many things from the elements that may be outside.
00:15:55For example, we can incorporate a ringing alarm clock into our sleep.
00:15:59From the point of view of the following phases, from the REM phase,
00:16:02It's much more complex there, because it really is something invented.
00:16:06In other words, we're making up an internal story.
00:16:09We have moved beyond that previous non-ren phase,
00:16:12Where there are four phases, let's almost do it in a diagram,
00:16:15And now we plunge into the most unknown, perhaps.
00:16:18That REM phase lasts very little time, it lasts five or six minutes.
00:16:21Compared to the other one, which lasted 90, this one lasts very little time.
00:16:24Is it only five or six minutes long?
00:16:25Five or six minutes.
00:16:26And it is also a phase characterized by the activity of the cerebral cortex
00:16:30Right now it's as if we're on alert.
00:16:33In other words, the cerebral cortex functions electrophysiologically.
00:16:36as if we were awake.
00:16:38Did we wake up inside the dream?
00:16:40We woke up in a way, so to speak.
00:16:43Our cortex is awake, but we are completely immobilized.
00:16:46Well, Toni, the one who is representing the daydream, for example, is moving.
00:16:53That would be impossible during the REM phase.
00:16:55In the REM phase there is no movement, no possibility of movement.
00:16:58because there is muscle atonia during REM sleep.
00:17:00All musculature is completely inhibited.
00:17:04So, it's very paradoxical.
00:17:06In other words, we are absolutely still, we don't move physically, we are rigid in bed,
00:17:11But our eyes...
00:17:12No, no, not rigid, relaxed.
00:17:13Relaxed.
00:17:14Absolutely, but like never before.
00:17:16In other words, if you lift someone's member and let go, it falls like a stone.
00:17:19In other words, there is no muscle tone whatsoever.
00:17:22And it's true, Miguel, that the eyes...
00:17:27Beware, this doesn't just happen to a select few, to a few unfortunate souls.
00:17:30to some, let's say, chosen in the sense that they have powers,
00:17:36Not at all, it happens to all of us.
00:17:38Do our eyes start moving in different directions, or what happens there?
00:17:42In that phase the eyes acquire a very peculiar and characteristic movement.
00:17:46Well, if we represent the two eyes, let's say, in some way,
00:17:50What they're going to do is go down, practically at nasal level,
00:17:55And then what they're going to do are lateral movements, horizontal, but lateral.
00:18:00both at the same time.
00:18:01And they are usually disconjugate, meaning they don't both move at the same time.
00:18:05but it is a very fast movement, tremendously fast,
00:18:08faster than when we are awake, when we make many eye movements,
00:18:11And then they are incredibly fast movements.
00:18:14And that happens to us every night.
00:18:15That happens to us four or five times every night.
00:18:19because after that five-minute non-REM phase,
00:18:21There is another 90-minute non-REM phase, and another five-minute REM phase.
00:18:25And that's how we wake up in the morning.
00:18:27And what about waking up, for example, in the middle of that REM phase?
00:18:30Waking up in the middle of that REM phase, we usually tell a story,
00:18:34We recounted a fragmentary, incongruous dream,
00:18:41where there are personalities in spaces where they shouldn't be,
00:18:43different times, that is, there is a mixture...
00:18:45Perhaps the most absurd dreams are represented there?
00:18:48More visual and stranger, yes, more outlandish.
00:18:51Clara, straddling one story and the other,
00:18:55the archetypal dream, as you said, of having no more teeth,
00:18:58but direct tooth loss,
00:19:00Could that explanation of lack of defense also apply?
00:19:02This anxiety about something?
00:19:03Yes, well, we've seen several things there, it's very well recreated.
00:19:06because we have seen, on the one hand, a real concern,
00:19:10What is job anxiety, which is to say, the fear of losing
00:19:15Specifically, a job, a threat that is there,
00:19:17and that becomes, let's say, part of that dream,
00:19:20In other words, the person is theoretically sleeping, resting,
00:19:24But the worries are still there, they're latent, aren't they?
00:19:27But we've also seen that Toni's wife is getting closer to Toni,
00:19:32Toña makes a face at him, and Toni doesn't respond.
00:19:34because he is also overwhelmed by work,
00:19:37which forces him not to be, let's say, in the tone he would like.
00:19:42An example of total stress.
00:19:44Total stress, and it also speaks to a fear of losing virility,
00:19:47It is also one of the things, one of the possible interpretations
00:19:50of tooth loss, which in this case has been reflected
00:19:54Very good with this reconstruction.
00:19:57And on the other hand, we have what is the dream itself, right?
00:20:01The fact that teeth are falling out is incredibly distressing.
00:20:04because there really is a significant repressed component
00:20:08of stress, of anguish, and that there is one thing that is a threat
00:20:11which, unfortunately, in times of crisis, can threaten us all.
00:20:15In other words, it doesn't surprise me, Carmen, that you've had so many similar dreams
00:20:20Right now, aren't they?
00:20:21Because there are a lot of people who are very stressed, right?
00:20:24With mortgage problems, things we hadn't counted on
00:20:29And they suddenly appear, right?
00:20:30So, well, then there are also various interpretations, right?
00:20:33When it is, instead of all the teeth, a specific tooth,
00:20:37For example, we have the incisors, right?
00:20:40Those are the teeth that are used, let's say, for cutting, right?
00:20:45Which tells us more about a certain aggressiveness, a fear of losing, as we say, that virility.
00:20:50In women, for example, it is more associated with the fear of losing some of their physical beauty.
00:20:57to lose, because it also represents the image.
00:20:59Old age too, I imagine, right?
00:21:01The arrival of...
00:21:01Or, for example, in pregnant women, fear of difficulties during childbirth
00:21:06or that the child will have problems at birth.
00:21:09That is to say, of course, then there are components that are very personal and non-transferable.
00:21:14It's important to have all the data in order to analyze it, isn't it?
00:21:18But it remains a dream of anguish and repressed fears.
00:21:22and unconscious fears.
00:21:23Dreams like these.
00:21:24There is one thing that people ask a lot and that causes them anxiety.
00:21:28They link the loss of teeth in those dreams to the death of a family member.
00:21:32Do people make the connection?
00:21:33Always.
00:21:34Yes, yes, yes.
00:21:35And whenever they dream of teeth, they write with the fear that some relative
00:21:39or someone very close to me is going to have an accident or die.
00:21:43Yes, that's true.
00:21:44I had not included this interpretation.
00:21:47I thought it would come out at some point.
00:21:49But, let's say, traditionally, since ancient times, it's a dream that has been associated
00:21:56with the death of someone close, a relative, or even the death of the dreamer himself.
00:22:02And this has been going on for a long time, hasn't it?
00:22:04Because even Artemius of Ephesus, who wrote, let's say, the first dictionary
00:22:10Dream interpretation, right?
00:22:12His neurocritique.
00:22:13He collected these interpretations, which were based on people who had had this dream.
00:22:19And then something had happened, a misfortune, and so people tended to associate it.
00:22:23And in some cultures it is also associated, that is, it was discovered that being cultures
00:22:28that they were not connected, had that same age, that same significance to sleep,
00:22:33Today, fortunately, we know a little more about this topic.
00:22:38And it is quite possible that a dream of this nature may occur.
00:22:41and a tragedy occurs, but they are not necessarily connected.
00:22:47That's what I'd like to say tonight, a somewhat reassuring message.
00:22:50To also reduce the number of people who might dream for different reasons.
00:22:53He can dream about it tonight.
00:22:55Of course, and they are always absolutely subjective interpretations.
00:22:58What is not subjective, what is scientific, is what is being investigated, for example,
00:23:01at the University of Seville.
00:23:02Because, how do you investigate this, professor?
00:23:04In other words, how can we observe?
00:23:06How did we come to know that the eyes behave that way when they are closed?
00:23:11In other words, to what extent are analyses and scans performed?
00:23:14Because we find it fascinating.
00:23:16Okay, let's see.
00:23:18What is usually used are experimental animals.
00:23:20And these studies are done on experimental animals.
00:23:22They are not made on humans.
00:23:24In any case, it is known in humans, although not with such precision, not as well quantified,
00:23:31But there are many humans who sleep with their eyelids half-closed.
00:23:35In other words, the eyelid remains slightly open.
00:23:37So, if one looks closely at the eye that is there,
00:23:40You will see that he immediately does what I have said.
00:23:43In other words, it will slowly deviate towards the nose and downwards.
00:23:46and then it starts with the quick movements.
00:23:49But the technique is a little too complex to explain.
00:23:52It does a bit of a great job of publicizing.
00:23:54Let's say we are able to know the position of the eye at every instant.
00:23:58The position of the eye at each instant?
00:23:59Despite the closed eyelid.
00:24:01More cases.
00:24:01Many people ask us, for example, why they don't dream.
00:24:05People who say they don't dream.
00:24:06Is that possible, or are we just dreaming?
00:24:09We always dream when we fall asleep, even if we don't remember it afterwards.
00:24:12The only way to know that we dream is because the subject recounts their dream.
00:24:18Scientifically we can say that there is a REM phase and a non-REM phase.
00:24:20But in both cases, there is usually sleepiness for the people who say they dream.
00:24:25But we have no way of verifying that there is actually a dream.
00:24:28What is certain is that if you are awakened in stage 3 or stage 4 of non-REM sleep,
00:24:33You usually have a feeling like you don't know where you are.
00:24:36It takes a while to truly awaken to wakefulness, and you never remember anything.
00:24:41And then there's another interesting factor regarding sleep,
00:24:46And that's because there's usually a very large component of amnesia, meaning that people forget very quickly.
00:24:51In fact, if you write it down immediately, you'll remember it all day long.
00:24:56But if someone says, "Ah, I was dreaming about such and such," and then doesn't write it down, after 10 minutes...
00:25:01It dissolves, it gives the impression that it was what...
00:25:04That's why you recommended that very simple maneuver on certain occasions, Clara.
00:25:08especially with dreams, I imagine we believe they are important,
00:25:11Or they can tell us something, in that more psychological aspect, point to something, right?
00:25:16It may seem difficult to point it out.
00:25:19If someone is, say, interested in your dreams.
00:25:21To do it, but it is true that the dreams that...
00:25:24Sometimes we know when there is an important message in a dream,
00:25:27Because we woke up with a strange feeling, right?
00:25:30A feeling that something is happening, that we have been told something.
00:25:32The unconscious has spoken to us, it has told us something important.
00:25:36that we don't know how to decipher at that moment,
00:25:38But it is worth noting,
00:25:40especially because they sometimes repeat themselves in dream sequences,
00:25:42And when you have a pattern that a dream has repeated itself
00:25:45over certain weeks, several times,
00:25:49That's because that message is important, right?
00:25:51It's certainly a fascinating world,
00:25:53Hopefully we can continue to have documents
00:25:55on sleep research,
00:25:56because I imagine there will also be possibilities
00:25:59to check for certain pathologies,
00:26:02certain things that happen in our body,
00:26:03And the University of Seville is doing wonderful research,
00:26:06And hopefully we can find out, as I say,
00:26:08to have more information about a world that,
00:26:10I think we all share that.
00:26:12It's still like a drawer
00:26:14where people, or many normal people
00:26:17He experiences it but doesn't want to know more.
00:26:19because it's a little creepy,
00:26:20It happens to us every night,
00:26:22We don't know if it's like another parallel life,
00:26:24And what we do see is a large number of friends
00:26:25They keep writing to us,
00:26:27And we encourage you, Carmen, to keep doing it.
00:26:29so that they continue sending those distressing messages
00:26:32Or those congratulations too, why not?
00:26:34Because some dreams are very rewarding.
00:26:36and that we will recreate.
00:26:37There are good dreams.
00:26:38There are good dreams, and Clara mentioned something earlier,
00:26:40those people who write down their dreams after they've had them,
00:26:43Well, they've even sent us entire diaries.
00:26:46with dreams since 1997,
00:26:49So imagine if we have 11 years of dreams
00:26:53that they make available to us for us to study
00:26:56Some of them, both good and bad.
00:26:58That's almost like keeping a diary during the vigil.
00:27:01It's a bit like parallel experiences,
00:27:03but they are also equally important and significant.
00:27:07We will continue to delve into dreams, of course.
00:27:10with Clara Tavoces as guide.
00:27:11Clara, as always, thank you very much.
00:27:13Thank you very much.
00:27:14And the teacher, of course, has been Miguel Escudero,
00:27:17It's a revelation to learn some things about those sleep phases.
00:27:20Hopefully, we can learn more on another occasion.
00:27:23of that world still hidden from many
00:27:25which are dreams and why are you investigating them?
00:27:27with such professionalism and rigor.
00:27:29Thank you very much, Miguel.
00:27:30Thank you.
00:27:31And now, Carmen, let's move on to other things,
00:27:33For example, photos.
00:27:34Can you imagine that one day dreams could be photographed?
00:27:37Well, with the technology we have today
00:27:40It's not very far away.
00:27:41Yes, it seems like magic to us, but so many things have seemed like magic to us before.
00:27:44and they have become true.
00:27:45Let's look at images that seem like daydreams,
00:27:47Images from Cuarto Milenio.
00:27:57And please pay close attention to the first photograph,
00:28:00to the first round tonight,
00:28:01because we've rarely had such a beautiful model
00:28:06standing in front of the camera.
00:28:08Well, I imagine he was taking some photographs
00:28:10and suddenly what I didn't expect,
00:28:12And it must be a bit annoying, right, Carmen?
00:28:14When someone is doing a private posing exercise
00:28:18be watched.
00:28:19Watched by whom?
00:28:20That's what we need to find out.
00:28:21Well, the truth is, yes, according to this friend...
00:28:24Victory.
00:28:25Victoria was in Gran Canaria,
00:28:27Just as you told us,
00:28:28He was taking several photographs,
00:28:31Well, as we women sometimes do,
00:28:32to try on those outfits, right?
00:28:34But he has an unexpected visitor.
00:28:37Playa del Inglés, a well-known place.
00:28:40We're going to record the photograph
00:28:41And now we're going to point out...
00:28:42Who was watching her?
00:28:44We're expanding.
00:28:45Well, let's try to find out
00:28:47Who is that strange character?
00:28:48There it is.
00:28:50That is shown as if from behind,
00:28:52as if I were coming out of another terrace
00:28:54and she was contemplating that whole scene.
00:28:57We're going to apply some filters
00:28:58where it will look much better.
00:29:01Here we have expanded it much further.
00:29:03We see it as if it were a face, right?
00:29:05We can even sense the eyes,
00:29:07the nose, the mouth,
00:29:07as if he were in profile,
00:29:09Well, looking at that girl.
00:29:11Photographically, what Guillermo León tells us,
00:29:13that we cannot give an explanation.
00:29:16We've even put it on...
00:29:17But it has...
00:29:18Look, look, look.
00:29:18It has something like headphones or...
00:29:20It is a person.
00:29:21Maybe he was listening to music.
00:29:22Well, we can't rule it out
00:29:24that it is a man
00:29:25that seeing the girl
00:29:27who was so good-looking,
00:29:28so he would look out to admire it.
00:29:30But it could also be
00:29:31an ornament of the building itself
00:29:33and that it was a kind of gargoyle
00:29:35that it happened
00:29:36who was in that position
00:29:38and contemplate the scene.
00:29:39Man, absolutely.
00:29:40It's a gargoyle, if you'll excuse the joke.
00:29:42It's the most futuristic and strangest gargoyle
00:29:43and less attractive
00:29:44which I've seen in a long time.
00:29:46There it is in negative.
00:29:47On English Beach,
00:29:47which is not an apartment building,
00:29:49It doesn't look very promising, does it?
00:29:50So certainly
00:29:51She must be restless
00:29:51our friend Victoria
00:29:53because he was someone of flesh and blood
00:29:54Or was it something else?
00:29:56that we cannot decipher.
00:29:57In the negative
00:29:58It's very clear
00:29:59The presence, right?
00:30:00of that otherworldly boyer
00:30:02doing a little
00:30:04a funny app
00:30:06because really
00:30:07We don't know what it is
00:30:08And there's probably an explanation.
00:30:09The image is very interesting.
00:30:10of that spy.
00:30:11Let's go to Úbeda now,
00:30:13province of Jaén.
00:30:14There, a friend, Pinto,
00:30:16He sends us another face,
00:30:18another face.
00:30:19He was telling us a story
00:30:21just when it happens
00:30:23through a particular roundabout
00:30:24And look at this building,
00:30:26a little noise,
00:30:27As we can see,
00:30:28very dilapidated,
00:30:29He always gets a chill,
00:30:31It doesn't give him a good feeling,
00:30:32until one day
00:30:33He decided to pick up his camera.
00:30:35and take several photographs.
00:30:38And what was the coincidence?
00:30:39Well, he tells us that here,
00:30:41precisely in that window,
00:30:42A face can be seen.
00:30:45There it is,
00:30:46come on,
00:30:46and I want to expand it
00:30:47so that it can be seen
00:30:49much better.
00:30:51There it is.
00:30:53Doesn't it look like it?
00:30:54as if she were wearing a headdress,
00:30:55a kind of tape
00:30:56in the hair
00:30:56And what about the profile?
00:30:58We'll also see
00:30:58because Guillermo León
00:30:59has made us
00:31:01some adjustments
00:31:03in the image.
00:31:04We can see
00:31:05how there are even recreations
00:31:07of what could be...
00:31:09A rather melancholic face, isn't it?
00:31:10Yes, somewhat...
00:31:12There it is, look.
00:31:14Or even
00:31:14as if he were an Indian.
00:31:16It gives me
00:31:16who has Indian features, right?
00:31:18Well, in this case
00:31:19That would have an explanation.
00:31:21It would be, as we often say,
00:31:22pareidolia.
00:31:23The rock
00:31:24that we see right
00:31:25at the end of the window
00:31:26has made it
00:31:27with different states of light
00:31:29it would be created
00:31:30this face.
00:31:31Therefore,
00:31:32our friend,
00:31:32even though I have bad feelings,
00:31:34in this case
00:31:34your photograph
00:31:35There is an explanation.
00:31:36Well, greetings
00:31:37to our friends,
00:31:38in this case
00:31:39Pinto will breathe a sigh of relief,
00:31:40Look at this image.
00:31:42From one of the cities
00:31:43most beautiful in Andalusia,
00:31:44cradle of the Renaissance,
00:31:45Úbeda.
00:31:46By the way, Carmen,
00:31:47we're going to vary
00:31:48on the way,
00:31:49We're going to take a different kind of trip.
00:31:50I'm sure you
00:31:51have seen many times
00:31:52images
00:31:52from one of the temples
00:31:54most impressive
00:31:55from antiquity.
00:31:56Furthermore,
00:31:57latest news
00:31:58They were talking about Stonehenge
00:31:59like a place
00:32:00of pilgrimage,
00:32:01as a space
00:32:02where people
00:32:03from different environments
00:32:04they came
00:32:05to connect
00:32:06with the gods
00:32:06and with healing,
00:32:08for prophecy,
00:32:09for the omen,
00:32:10a center of high magic
00:32:11deep inside
00:32:13from the megalithic era.
00:32:14But be careful,
00:32:15We don't have to be envious.
00:32:16of these epicenters
00:32:18of power,
00:32:19because in Spain
00:32:20We have them
00:32:20more careless
00:32:21or more forgotten
00:32:22or less promoted,
00:32:24surely.
00:32:25We're going to travel
00:32:26to a deep
00:32:27and dark Catalan forest,
00:32:28a place
00:32:29where they occur,
00:32:30apparently,
00:32:32certain phenomena
00:32:32And not only that,
00:32:33where paganism,
00:32:34As it sounds,
00:32:35It's good.
00:32:36because increasing
00:32:37in followers,
00:32:38Rituals are performed today.
00:32:39And Luis Álvarez
00:32:40with a different experiment,
00:32:42with a reporter's camera,
00:32:43night vision camera,
00:32:44He's going to tell us
00:32:45what he has seen.
00:32:46By the way,
00:32:47I gave him a task
00:32:48to Luis Álvarez
00:32:49that would solve it for me
00:32:50the story
00:32:50of this black hand
00:32:51that you will see.
00:32:54It's a story
00:32:55what happens there
00:32:55in that forest.
00:32:56A story
00:32:57from a photographer,
00:32:58Xavier C,
00:33:00that loses
00:33:01the notion of time
00:33:02and in his camera
00:33:05are captured,
00:33:06Stories are revealed
00:33:07so dramatic
00:33:08or of an aspect
00:33:09so grotesque
00:33:10like this.
00:33:10There was talk of fraud,
00:33:12There was talk of madness,
00:33:13It was said that
00:33:14all this happened
00:33:14on the spot
00:33:15where it had to happen,
00:33:16a forest,
00:33:17in quotation marks,
00:33:17delighted.
00:33:19Let's get started
00:33:20explorer's boots
00:33:21And we're going to walk
00:33:22because of that darkness.
00:33:23Luis Álvarez,
00:33:24remote Catalan megalithism.
00:33:26Let's go
00:33:27to a place
00:33:27called
00:33:28Val Georgina.
00:33:31Let's go
00:33:37to a place
00:33:57to a place
00:33:57and to a place
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