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00:27Thanks for watching the video.
00:50Thanks for watching the video.
01:00And many will wonder why Eker Jiménez is presenting his program from a kind of cage.
01:05Well, everything has an explanation, and I want to give it to you right away because a lot is going to happen. Tonight is
01:10Very special. What you see here, this is an isolation chamber.
01:17I can't hear anything that's out there, and you're seeing it through some...
01:21Infrared cameras. All of this is designed to completely sever ordinary senses.
01:29The person, who in a few minutes, or the people who are going to sit here, will even be able to
01:35see.
01:35And why all this? One more fact.
01:39All those vital signs, pulse, blood pressure, respiration, will be monitored and you will be able to see them.
01:47It's a real, authentic parapsychological experiment. The witnesses who come here know nothing about what's going to happen to them.
01:54occur.
01:55And we will witness everything that happens.
01:59The idea, presences.
02:02We've all been there, haven't we? It's happened to all of us, including you.
02:06Being in a place and noticing a gaze, turning around and someone is spying on us, looking at the back of our neck.
02:11And that can be translated, it can be seen, there is something more that is perhaps a sixth sense.
02:17The people who are here in a few minutes will let us know if they are distressed, if they sense something.
02:23And perhaps we will all learn that there are other minds, other borders, other capabilities.
02:30We want to assert the importance of genuine parapsychological research.
02:35That which was started by some pioneers and which now seems to have been abandoned.
02:39A lot of things are going to happen.
02:41I would be here in a few minutes if I were you.
02:43Because the experiment is about to begin.
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11:54Emma, I imagine she's already bringing it from Camerino.
11:56They have been completely isolated.
11:58They don't know, it must be said very clearly, David, what they are going to be exposed to.
12:02They know nothing.
12:03They don't know what's going to happen.
12:03All they know is, well, that they're going to enter a place, and that's it.
12:06And they don't know any more.
12:07And we're not going to tell you anything more, just that if you notice anything, press the button.
12:12And then he will also tell us, of course, what you felt.
12:14But nothing more.
12:15They have absolutely no idea what's going to happen in there.
12:18Well, thank you very much, Emma, for having us here.
12:19Estefanía, Estefanía, how are you?
12:21Good night.
12:22Good night.
12:23Well then, Estefanía, David.
12:25Yes, we're heading there... How are you?
12:26Let's go to the booth, yes, Emma, please.
12:28With her, Estefanía, who is a member of our team,
12:32who has been completely isolated from this experiment.
12:35And I'll tell you more, there will be more people later.
12:37But now it's your turn, David.
12:38You're showing that isolation booth to our friend Estefanía.
12:43Yes, she's going to sit down.
12:44Look, come in, please.
12:46And sit down comfortably there.
12:48Sit however you like.
12:50I'm going to tell you several things.
12:51First, you have a push button here, look, this push button.
12:54If you notice anything while you're in here, anything at all, press it, look,
12:57It's a push button that needs to be pressed like this.
12:59In other words, it's not downwards, but...
13:00We have seen how it turns on perfectly.
13:02You can try for a moment, you can try...
13:04Now they can hear me perfectly.
13:06The pulse immediately sends that red light, that information.
13:10And we will know if the person feels distress at any time,
13:13She feels that she is accompanied, she feels that something is going to happen.
13:16More things, David.
13:18Now we're going to isolate vision, which is good, from the main senses,
13:21logically together with the ear.
13:27The vision is completely neutralized.
13:30Finally, we'll put on the headphones with the music,
13:33which also prevents sound from being heard from outside,
13:37Well, it will also produce that altered state of consciousness.
13:40Now, my big question, David, while you're putting all that together, is,
13:42And that very special music we're listening to now for all our viewers,
13:48That music that everyone raves about, I don't know what it is or isn't.
13:51If it produces relaxation, won't that be counterproductive?
13:54Or does it also seem to generate a special state of brain waves?
13:58Well, the truth is that theoretically it produces that altered state in the brain,
14:02then it doesn't matter if an associated relaxation occurs,
14:06because sometimes, precisely when someone is on a bus, in a park,
14:08And when he is most relaxed, that's when he notices the other person staring at him.
14:12We don't know if it's possible; being in a state of alert might precisely do what it does: sharpen the senses.
14:17I believe that perhaps it is precisely relaxation that allows one to be more attentive to very subtle things,
14:23very small things that can change it.
14:24Well, from now on Estefanía will only listen to that type of music.
14:28that special music, and at the same time we also have, David, placing those electrodes
14:35or those suction-cup-like things that are connected to our monitoring system
14:41And I, who am no expert, then we have, by the way, we will introduce you to two important psychologists
14:48which from their point of view will provide, well, perhaps the keys to what we are seeing
14:52and what we are witnessing.
14:54I also want to thank you for your participation.
14:57They are Raquel Torrent, psychologist and therapist,
15:00and Manuel Martín Loeches, tenured professor of psychology at the Complutense University of Madrid
15:04and also director of the cognitive neuroscience section.
15:07In other words, two people who, from their scientific and also, why not say it, spiritual worlds,
15:12They are familiar with these kinds of presences, sensations.
15:15Now, are they real or are they simply a product of suggestion?
15:19And we can already see that our friend Estefanía's heart rate is at 82 beats, 81, it's relaxing.
15:27It's curious because the first thing we can immediately see is the effect of that music, for example.
15:32Does that music relax you, or not relax you, or make you more nervous, or make you less nervous?
15:37For now, my heart has certainly started racing.
15:43That's why, and because both Raquel and Manuel recommended it to us,
15:47We're going to establish what experts call a baseline, a holding zone.
15:53Because of course, logically, David, this woman must be a little nervous now.
15:59No, no, there isn't one, not supposedly.
16:00I didn't know anything about this and we need to let it rest for a bit, right?
16:03I believe that music will play its part here.
16:05Here, the music will serve to relax a little, and, well, the person who might be there...
16:08a little nervous,
16:09because he doesn't know what he's going to face.
16:11And of course, she's alone, she's isolated, and I think anyone watching us right now,
16:14Well, I think he'll feel a bit upset, won't he?
16:16But look, there have been times when they've reached over a hundred beats per minute, 120,
16:19We're a little more relaxed now, but look, okay?
16:23We can see the graph perfectly; then the teachers and psychologists will explain it.
16:28They'll clear up our doubts, 85, well, it also has something hypnotic about it, doesn't it?
16:33These documents because we are seeing how this person is becoming more relaxed.
16:37Okay, now we're going to move on to the important phase.
16:41We have several volunteers, whose participation we greatly appreciate.
16:45Of course, without them this wouldn't be possible, and they also wanted to be here with us.
16:50They're going to be like entities, they're good friends who are going to penetrate this place.
16:56We remind you that the floor prevents any sound from being transmitted.
17:01Right now she can't hear us or anything else except the music.
17:05And let's see, I have my doubts, David, for one thing, because, of course, maybe,
17:09The sound was empty, everything was more palpable, and the music takes the mind to other worlds.
17:13But let's see what happened.
17:15It's a little something extra that we have in the experiment.
17:17Well then, entity number one, in quotes, of course, friend of this experiment,
17:23He's going to come here, he's going to be a presence.
17:26Let's give him the floor, dressed from head to toe, as if he were truly a figure,
17:33Because if we don't see it in infrared, it's going to be almost, well, like a spectrum, really.
17:37A specter, but of flesh and blood, we're entering right now, partner,
17:40and you're simply going to position yourself, position yourself in the area behind the witness's back,
17:46because it gives the impression, perhaps this is already a popular opinion,
17:50But it's in the back, isn't it?, where we notice or where we feel some tension.
17:56Because, David, right now the people who are seeing this image are the ones who have the nerve to say,
18:01Goodness, but there's someone behind it, isn't there?, who doesn't know anymore.
18:03Now it's just there, but well, this isn't going to be the only thing, of course.
18:07We're going to leave some time, and we've asked David—and this is important—
18:11Let them focus all their attention; they are the ones who can hear us.
18:15Not Estefanía, but entity one, yes.
18:18We have asked them to, well, focus all their attention almost negatively,
18:23because they pose a threat, someone who is there and who certainly shouldn't be,
18:28and that they concentrate it in the area of the nape of the neck.
18:31We have asked them to look closely, to focus their eyes on the area of the back of this person's neck,
18:36and that they do it for a few seconds.
18:38Let's maintain that tension today, like someone staring at the back of our neck.
18:43For now, absolute relaxation, there's no problem.
18:47But now we're going to ask our colleague to come even closer,
18:51that almost pressed his face against hers, without any sound,
18:55press her face against the glass to further refine that gaze
19:04on the back of Estefanía's neck.
19:07From what we can see, she is absolutely calm about the music.
19:12The pulse remains practically the same.
19:15Even going downhill, it's a concept of tremendous relaxation.
19:19From what we can see, he doesn't seem to feel any distress.
19:23We keep looking, we keep observing.
19:26And you will have verified it, you will see it now, because it's not very well defined in infrared,
19:31If our friend has something in his hand, let's say he moves to one of the sides,
19:36and that, well, he makes a gesture with total silence that is threatening.
19:43One gesture, exactly, shows him holding an axe, as if he were about to attack.
19:50And even, if possible, make the movement of a weapon, of something that...
19:58The pulse rate goes up a little, it's not much, but well, it's gone up from 80, 85.
20:03I'll try the movement again, let's try it several times, to see if that affects it in any way.
20:12But we're seeing that in this case the relaxation is total, huh?
20:15Yes, it certainly doesn't seem like he's even going to put his hand on the button.
20:20So this is the experiment as we are seeing it.
20:23Perfect, we ask our entity to leave, to leave calmly.
20:33Because now comes a surprise, a surprise.
20:36Let's see, because one of the theories is, well, a human being in this case has not caused any
20:42effect.
20:43Look, the pulse is going down now, it's gone down a little.
20:45It's going down, calmly.
20:46Now it's back to the 80 it was before, sorry.
20:49And, David, we have thought of another type of being.
20:54Yes, more threatening, in fact.
20:56Or at least that we associate more with threat, right?
20:57Although, well, logically it also has to attack.
21:00And we're not going to make him actually attack.
21:02But let's see if there's any connection with our ancient unconscious, which comes from our evolution.
21:08With these types of beings that existed in the past, there were logically threats.
21:12Well, the experiment is still going live as it is.
21:14And as is happening, here we have our second guest, whom we thank,
21:18And they'll understand as soon as they see him, especially, right?
21:20Their cooperation, because it's not easy being with a python.
21:26A python, in short, beautiful to some, threatening to others,
21:31Let's hope the python is calm.
21:33I don't know if we'll monitor the python that would give us one, but it certainly seemed a little nervous.
21:38Now, let's tell her to come in slowly and stay back, at a distance, please.
21:43at a distance, with the snake.
21:49Right behind, that is, at a certain distance.
21:52Let's see if it's possible for the snake, look at this image, look at this image.
21:57The snake, of course, will also be a little puzzled; David will be in this environment.
22:01We have good friends who provide us with these animal friends,
22:06although certainly impactful as well.
22:11Let's see if we can slowly and silently bring the snake closer to the glass area.
22:19The pulse has risen a little, the pulse is rising a little.
22:22Go up a little more.
22:24It's going up more.
22:25His pulse is rising.
22:2689 already.
22:27Let's approach the snake, if we can.
22:2990 beats.
22:29What we have now seen very clearly is that it has risen in part,
22:34But we also don't know if that information is reliable.
22:38It's interesting that the snake moves.
22:40We're going to go around the...
22:42Take it easy, and let the snake be calm too.
22:45The pulse is decreasing.
22:46Yes, yes.
22:49We can hear the sound of the snake perfectly, its hissing, its whistling.
22:55Now he wanted to press, now he wanted to press, or at least he put his hand there.
23:00Let's get closer, that's it, let's keep going around in circles.
23:03She doesn't hear anything, but she has certainly made a demand, I don't know if it's an alarm,
23:09or certainly something that has worried her, or that puts her in a different situation.
23:14That's different from how it was before, when he had his hand on his knee, right?
23:18Look, the snake is practically touching with its...
23:21I don't know if it's possible to make the snake practically touch the glass.
23:24whether she feels comfortable or not.
23:26It would be interesting, because some people think that animals can bring us some kind of message.
23:33Look, it's pressing.
23:35He has just pressed 90 pulses.
23:37My pulse has gone up, but it was right after I pressed the button.
23:3995, 97, 98, it was fair, 100 beats per minute,
23:42It was right when we put the snake on the glass.
23:45Are we going to do it again?
23:47We've had a power struggle...
23:48There it is, the snake calmly making its way across the glass.
23:51which seems to be the moment that is closest to the witness's state of mind,
23:55or that something, of course, unites them in some way.
24:00It's gone down a little more, but there's a point now...
24:01Look, look, another pulse.
24:03There we saw it, another pulse right in front of the snake.
24:06She's feeling it, she's getting restless, this is surprising, David, isn't it?
24:09It's surprising.
24:10Yes, the moment when the snake seems to get closer to her,
24:12which poses a more real threat to her, even though you are separated from her, logically.
24:16How interesting.
24:16That's when the pulse reaches 107 beats per minute.
24:18And rather head-on.
24:20Let's go to the other side, please.
24:21Let's do the experiment, turning around.
24:26We repeat, that you are listening to the sounds, even the footsteps,
24:29You can hear absolutely nothing inside.
24:31Absolutely nothing, it can neither be heard nor perceived.
24:32The snake has made some strange movements; let's be careful.
24:34Look at her eyes, don't get nervous.
24:37Because for her it's also an experiment, of course.
24:39Yes of course.
24:41I think we'll leave it at that.
24:45The snake, let's remove it calmly.
24:48Thank you very much, mate, because you have suffered and worked with this python.
24:55And, David, calmly, that's important.
24:58Now she can't see the snake, she can't see anyone,
25:00because then they will be with us at the table and tell us what they felt
25:04And they will see what they have lived through, but they know nothing.
25:07So it's important that the colleagues move to another location.
25:11Yes, they do come out perfectly fine this way.
25:15There we have our python companion, wow...
25:19She doesn't seem very happy.
25:21What a partner, huh?
25:21What a companion.
25:22David felt comfortable with the infranojos.
25:24Yes, yes, yes.
25:24Well, she's not going to see anything, so David, if you like, go after Estefanía.
25:29Let's not ask him anything, let's just see how he feels.
25:31And then let him tell us about it at the table with the psychologists.
25:35How interesting, gentlemen, why?
25:37The relaxation is absolute.
25:39We thought not...
25:44This is David's way of giving a warning, obviously.
25:49What a scare!
25:51Of course, this is normal, right?
25:52Let me repeat one thing, and well, you can believe it or not,
25:55But everything is really done as we're describing it.
25:59And, of course, he has to pull Estefanía out of that lethargy.
26:02He got a terrible fright.
26:03The heart rate has risen, as you can see, to 128.
26:06That is, 143, 154.
26:09In short, a scare reflected on the monitor.
26:12But we know that Estefanía is perfectly fine,
26:14He suspects nothing of what has happened
26:17And maybe this, well, has some meaning.
26:20Now we're going to take her...
26:23Emma will accompany her to her dressing room,
26:27wherever he is peacefully.
26:30That's where we brought out our first witness,
26:32who is a person who, to say it, will then tell us
26:34that does have a certain sensitivity
26:36or who has had episodes of this type, of feeling things.
26:39Well, the relaxation was absolute,
26:40because she was frightened when she went to look for her.
26:43Estefanía, is everything alright at the moment?
26:44Yes, very good.
26:45Okay, now you can relax.
26:47because then you're going to come with us,
26:48You're going to tell us what you felt.
26:50You can't know anything, you know nothing,
26:52So now Emma, please,
26:54He will lead you to your dressing room.
26:56Well, thank you very much indeed.
26:57through this live experiment,
26:59It has to be like that, live, naturally.
27:02Our colleagues Javi and Sergio,
27:04In practice, they are taking good note
27:07visually speaking, and well,
27:08We're having a great time.
27:09What do you want us to say?
27:10We are seeing this and it surprises us.
27:12What's going to happen now, David?
27:13Well, that's a surprise.
27:14Neither you nor I know.
27:15Yes, we don't know, about later.
27:16Well, what we do know is that we have another witness,
27:19In this case, I'm going to give his name,
27:20I have it written down here, it's Oscar Díez.
27:23He is an INEF student
27:26and he knows absolutely nothing.
27:28In other words, he has come for another reason as well.
27:30I didn't know this particular experiment was going to be done.
27:33Our demand was, let's have an experiment.
27:36Someone wants to take part,
27:37It could have been an experience of telepathy,
27:39It could be a thousand things.
27:40So, let's see if they bring Oscar here.
27:43and we're going to do the same process.
27:45Oscar, how are you?
27:47Very good.
27:48Good evening, friend.
27:49Good night.
27:49Thank you for participating with Macho Estefanía.
27:51David.
27:52David, who will accompany you to this place.
27:55First of all, you need to relax.
27:57First and foremost, there is no danger at any time.
27:59For your physique, be clear about it.
28:01David, you're going with him.
28:02Yes, let's go inside.
28:03I'll show you the cabin.
28:05You have to sit in a...
28:06And now, as you know,
28:07and we will try to do it more quickly,
28:09Well, David Zurdo, our colleague,
28:11the man from the Cuarto Milenio experiments,
28:13Well, he's going to show her...
28:15...title, huh?
28:16...everything you need to do
28:18and which we have already seen...
28:19Yes, percent from here, please.
28:19...with our company...
28:21...with our colleague Estefanía.
28:23Oscar Díez, INEF student.
28:26Furthermore, it differs,
28:27He is a man who has also not had
28:29no special interest in these topics,
28:32not like Estefanía,
28:33although he didn't know what he was going to face,
28:35Yes, I had shown some sensitivity,
28:38Or so she thought,
28:39to certain, well, feelings.
28:42Have you put the music on, David?
28:44Made.
28:44All that's left is to inflate the...
28:45Very good.
28:46...the blood pressure monitor.
28:48There it is.
28:49The airtight cabin is closed.
28:51A cabin that I'm sure
28:53which will give us plenty to talk about on Cuarto Milenio
28:54because they can be done
28:55various experiments with it.
28:57David Zurdo is coming out now.
28:58That's it.
28:59Okay, let's see,
29:00We left that baseline,
29:01We're recording everything
29:02so that you can see it,
29:03This is certainly...
29:05Well, it's like an old dream, isn't it, David?
29:07As you proposed,
29:08We never imagined you and I would be here
29:09in front of the screens,
29:10with psychologist friends
29:11which they are now going to explain to us
29:12And with that.
29:13We also have rhythm, for example,
29:15of the number of times he breathes per minute,
29:18For example.
29:19In other words, we have a series of issues here.
29:20which will be very interesting later
29:21than those who have greater knowledge
29:23of these types of issues
29:24Well, let them explain what they saw.
29:26For now, we see, for example,
29:27that his pulse is already arriving
29:28at 80 beats per minute.
29:29That's perfect.
29:30Now I think it's at that threshold, isn't it?
29:34Well, I think little by little
29:35we're going to take it one step at a time
29:36to another of our volunteers.
29:39Another volunteer who also brings a surprise.
29:42Good evening, friend.
29:44Okay, you're going to go calmly.
29:46trying to make as little noise as possible,
29:47They already know.
29:48They will have noticed
29:49which lead up to, well,
29:50an insulator on the feet.
29:52He picked up a small object
29:54or a large object right at the entrance.
29:57Will you see it now?
30:00This is going to be very interesting.
30:26Thank you.
30:38Thank you.
30:40Thank you.
30:42Thank you.
30:52Thank you.
30:55Thank you.
31:26This is going to be very interesting.
31:28My heart rate is rising a little.
31:29and breathing too.
31:30Position yourself correctly, my friend Igor.
31:32Position yourself directly behind.
31:34That's it, that's it.
31:35Furthermore, there is a very important difference here.
31:37Look at the increase in heart rate, David!
31:39Yes, yes, it's practically at 100.
31:4099, 100.
31:42He can't hear anything.
31:44It has a laser sight.
31:45I don't know at this moment
31:47whether the public can observe it or not.
31:49We have different cameras.
31:51It's going up.
31:52But he's aiming right at the back of her neck.
31:55106 beats, 108.
31:57How interesting what we are experiencing.
31:59With a witness, I repeat,
32:00who knows absolutely nothing.
32:02My friend, please be very careful,
32:04without making any noise,
32:05although we repeat,
32:06The ground is insulated.
32:07Keep turning while continuing to aim at him.
32:09Keep turning.
32:11Sure, many people might say,
32:12Well, the laser effect
32:13Perhaps he can notice something.
32:16No, the pressure of a beam of light is...
32:19There is pressure,
32:20In other words, it is a physical fact,
32:21But it certainly wouldn't be noticeable.
32:22At all.
32:23Very good.
32:23Look, the pulse is already there
32:25more or less normal.
32:26Our colleague is doing perfectly,
32:28Certainly, on a visual level,
32:30This, who connects the same fourth millennium
32:32I don't know what he might think.
32:35But there it is, it's an experiment.
32:37He pressed the light bulb.
32:38He pressed the light bulb.
32:39Let's stop there.
32:41Let's stop there,
32:42Because right now, even though he doesn't know it,
32:44is suffering the threat
32:45of an individual
32:48that is pointing directly at his head.
32:50And it goes up again, to 100 once more.
32:53How curious.
32:54When it circled, it went down, curiously enough.
32:55What stopped us in front of him.
32:57Look, look, look.
32:58110 now again.
32:59It's pressing.
33:00Look, look.
33:00This is it, really, David,
33:03This is incredible.
33:05We keep it there
33:06122 beats
33:07when the individual is in front of him
33:09and he doesn't hear anything,
33:11He can't see anything.
33:12He is physically isolated,
33:14mind.
33:14And furthermore,
33:15is uniting
33:16perception
33:17unaware
33:18with the conscious,
33:18because his pulse rises,
33:19his breathing too,
33:20Well,
33:21the constants rise,
33:22and suddenly,
33:22The light bulb also turns on,
33:24He has to do that manually.
33:25That is to say,
33:25that we are seeing
33:26that there is a correlation,
33:27not only the conscious part
33:28or the unconscious
33:28separately,
33:29but united.
33:30That's interesting what you say, David.
33:31because there are people who might say,
33:32well, well,
33:33Let's pretend someone is playing a knock,
33:34but it's the correlation,
33:36As he rightly says,
33:36with their internal mood.
33:37We're going out to see Igor,
33:39really,
33:40perfectly,
33:41Igor,
33:44amazing,
33:44David,
33:45amazing,
33:45I am the first
33:46that I'm staying
33:48absolutely
33:50amazed.
33:53I want to thank
33:53to the volunteers
33:55how are they experiencing it,
33:56we have told them
33:57excellent,
33:58that they think he is an enemy
33:59really,
34:00a situation almost like war.
34:01Thank you very much, mate.
34:02It pressed in your presence.
34:04I would too, David.
34:06Yeah,
34:06I would do it too.
34:07because it is a threat
34:07quite large.
34:08Let's let him relax a little.
34:10although, of course,
34:10He notices something,
34:11He noticed something.
34:12Yeah,
34:12He's still a little upset.
34:14We have another guest.
34:16Yeah,
34:17is perhaps,
34:17Well,
34:18the most real threat
34:18of all the ones we have,
34:19because,
34:20in principle
34:21Nothing has to happen,
34:23but it's about
34:24from a friend
34:26yes,
34:27let's say,
34:28a wire crossed in his head,
34:29Yes, I could do something.
34:31This threat
34:31It is the most real of all.
34:32We're going to make it happen.
34:36Zambra,
34:38Borja,
34:39welcome,
34:40Thank you for your help.
34:41Well,
34:41Zambra,
34:41How wonderful!
34:43How wonderful.
34:44Yeah,
34:44It's beautiful,
34:45but I almost decided
34:45not to see it.
34:46Well,
34:47It's spectacular.
34:49How wonderful.
34:50That's the last straw.
34:50on Cuarto Milenio.
34:53One is left mesmerized,
34:54but not because of the experiment,
34:55TRUE,
34:55David?
34:56No,
34:56No,
34:56but for beauty
34:57of the animal,
34:58majestic,
34:59awesome.
35:00Thank you,
35:00friends,
35:01for being here with us,
35:04always coming,
35:05No?,
35:05to the call
35:05from Fourth Millennium
35:06and always with the same
35:07respect for animals,
35:08but,
35:09But of course,
35:09what could be more threatening
35:11than a tiger,
35:12although many people,
35:12clear,
35:13What you can see is,
35:14Well,
35:15It looks like a plush toy.
35:15already,
35:15already,
35:16Bengal tiger,
35:17my colleagues told me
35:17whether he eats,
35:18Everything's perfect.
35:19If he doesn't eat,
35:20Well,
35:20Let's go inside,
35:22let's see,
35:23especially that she
35:24Don't get nervous,
35:25This Bengal tiger,
35:26which is that it stays
35:27one amazed,
35:28David,
35:28It's impressive,
35:28which is an animal,
35:31Let's see,
35:32Because I certainly,
35:34the pulse
35:34They were measured at 200,
35:38look,
35:38He's already pressing the button,
35:39has pressed the light bulb,
35:40as soon as I entered,
35:41So,
35:41instant,
35:41again.
35:42Awesome,
35:44awesome,
35:45and the isolation is total,
35:47tested and guaranteed,
35:48110,
35:49Yeah,
35:49115,
35:50It's also instantaneous.
35:51press again,
35:51press again,
35:52121 beats,
35:53really,
35:53David,
35:54124,
35:54with the most real threat,
35:55It just keeps clicking,
35:56it keeps pressing,
36:00incredible,
36:02What will he notice?
36:03what will he notice,
36:04the light bulb,
36:04And most interestingly,
36:05He doesn't know
36:06What's going on?
36:07And then he'll find out.
36:09Well,
36:09We'll see what face he makes,
36:10when you see that he has been with a tiger
36:11inside it,
36:13near that isolation booth.
36:14Why do two people have to go?
36:16Evident,
36:16It doesn't need explaining,
36:17No?
36:18It's still an animal, after all.
36:20most powerful,
36:21most powerful,
36:23131 beats,
36:24Yeah,
36:24Yeah,
36:24There was a time when I was
36:25in the light bulb,
36:25Yeah,
36:26constantly,
36:27has marked the light bulb.
36:27Let's leave it at that.
36:28companions,
36:28a while in Zambra there,
36:29if possible,
36:30in front of,
36:30in front of,
36:31Because we have learned.
36:33that most
36:34of the sensations,
36:36clear,
36:37Look,
36:38Look,
36:39Look,
36:40it never stops,
36:41Please focus the camera.
36:43He keeps noticing something
36:45our friend Oscar,
36:46Let's leave Zambra there for a while,
36:47Well,
36:47It's because it's constantly pressing buttons.
36:49And 120 beats,
36:50even beyond,
36:51122,
36:52comes back.
36:53Incredible,
36:54The truth is that our friend,
36:55I don't know if he's having a hard time,
36:57but,
36:57Let's see what she felt,
36:59How wonderful,
37:00128,
37:01130,
37:01when he looked at it,
37:02when he looked at it,
37:04137 beats,
37:05140,
37:06because he's policing him.
37:06And how well he's behaving!
37:07Zambra,
37:08Let's hope it continues like this.
37:10He's behaving so well,
37:11140 beats.
37:12But of course, the animals,
37:13that we have talked about many times,
37:14the sixth sense of animals,
37:16They know something,
37:17They feel something,
37:18And perhaps we,
37:19although we haven't experienced David,
37:20We also feel something when they are near.
37:21Absolutely.
37:22How impressive!
37:23How impressive!
37:25He can't smell anything either,
37:26The cabin is completely sealed.
37:31It does seem that Zambra is a little uneasy,
37:34or that he certainly doesn't like,
37:35She doesn't like being locked up there.
37:37Another doubt is nagging at him.
37:39I think, David, that's more than enough.
37:41Let's get it out.
37:42Yeah,
37:42because the animal is also getting nervous.
37:44Let's get him out.
37:48Many thanks to our friends.
37:54Let them come here with Zambra.
37:57He behaved so well.
37:58How are you?
37:58How has he behaved?
37:59Very good.
38:00Very good.
38:02Always collaborating with us,
38:03Fauna and Action,
38:04who have brought a wonderful specimen.
38:07She would get nervous,
38:08but not,
38:08It was fine.
38:09No?
38:09Good.
38:10Zambra,
38:10Thank you so much for being here.
38:12Thank you, friends.
38:13Well, thank you.
38:14Well, it must be said that
38:15The image is quite clear.
38:17image because it is using infrared cameras,
38:18but inside that booth
38:19The light is almost nonexistent.
38:21Clear.
38:21You can barely see anything.
38:22It's important to say this,
38:23There is almost no light in there,
38:25It's a dark room.
38:26And he's also wearing a mask,
38:27I mean,
38:27But you can hardly see it anyway.
38:29Well, David,
38:29Well, let's go for Oscar.
38:30Yeah.
38:30That he doesn't see anything.
38:32This time the scare,
38:32as in the previous case.
38:34It would also be interesting to check
38:35how it behaves
38:37this friend
38:38that has pressed
38:39more than a dozen times.
38:41Watch it,
38:41It's because he doesn't act like a man
38:42because he doesn't know
38:43doesn't know
38:43It is completely isolated
38:46and until someone touches him
38:48is not aware
38:49that there is someone.
38:50I think that gives
38:54The perspective is perfect.
38:55of the isolated
38:56that one is in there.
38:58How interesting,
38:59What an interesting experience.
39:00I hope for you
39:01is also being so.
39:03Oscar,
39:03We'll give it some time now.
39:04also so that he can relax
39:05and in a few minutes
39:07They're going to talk to us.
39:08and with psychologists.
39:10What happened here?
39:12What is the explanation for this?
39:13Why our friend
39:14Did he press it several times?
39:16Come this way, Oscar.
39:17How are you?
39:17You have pressed it several times.
39:19Okay, now you tell us.
39:20And then you'll find out
39:21What has happened?
39:22Seem to you?
39:22They will accompany you now.
39:24Emma, please,
39:25Go over there, Oscar.
39:26quietly.
39:27Now you will return
39:28And you'll tell us.
39:28what have you felt?
39:30There had to be a little
39:30Oscar was worried.
39:31That's true, yes.
39:32As if he had noticed something
39:33well, a little
39:34That threat, precisely, isn't it?
39:36Well, on a night like tonight
39:37the Cuarto Milenio team
39:39He arranged a series of coordinates
39:41and well,
39:42You're going to tell me your opinion now too, right?
39:44Of course.
39:44Together with psychologists,
39:47together with Manuel Martín Loeches,
39:49together with Raquel Torrent
39:50And with Estefanía and Oscar, of course,
39:52that they have to tell us
39:52what they've experienced in there.
40:19Well, that's the end of the experience.
40:21Visually fascinating,
40:22Of course.
40:23And from now on,
40:24the opinions.
40:25Opinions, of course.
40:26It has to be said,
40:28knowing the subject,
40:30knowing what we're talking about.
40:30I believe there are thresholds
40:31Very interesting for discussion.
40:33Therefore, we are presenting again
40:34to Raquel Torrent
40:35and to Manuel Martín Loeches.
40:37Welcome back.
40:37How are you?
40:38You were following everything
40:38Very carefully, right?
40:40Yes a lot.
40:41And I know you've taken note,
40:42have you thought,
40:43you have seen
40:44And you're going to tell us a lot of things.
40:46Have you seen it yet?
40:47Estefanía, who is a colleague,
40:48a wonderful image professional,
40:51who is here with us,
40:52who works on Cuarto Milenio
40:53And then he suddenly told us,
40:55He took a risk, he said
40:55Hey, I sometimes have certain perceptions
40:57or a certain sensitivity,
40:59I want to be in that experiment.
41:01They'll be worth it.
41:02Nothing strange has happened, has it?
41:04Except for a small scare.
41:05Yes, well, a little scare
41:06caused by that man
41:07who is there, who is David Zurdo.
41:08It was unintentional, of course.
41:09This was the final moment of the experiment,
41:10Well, when I went to warn her
41:12that it was already over.
41:13Of course, she was so isolated.
41:14But that proves
41:15that the isolation was real.
41:16Total, absolute.
41:17He hasn't noticed, of course,
41:17at the moment the door was opened,
41:18He hasn't noticed anything.
41:19So I have tried to be
41:20as mild as possible
41:22And yet what I have done
41:23It's like giving you a terrible fright.
41:25Well, Estefanía, first of all,
41:26Let's see
41:27If you had to write a summary
41:28of what you have felt
41:30in that experience,
41:31What would you highlight about us?
41:32There were several feelings,
41:34From what it seems,
41:34not only that feeling of presence,
41:36but more things have happened.
41:37It's very difficult
41:39to categorize the sensations
41:42because they are not familiar sensations,
41:44You don't know what you're looking for.
41:47So, if I have doubted
41:49sometimes it's a matter of pressing or not,
41:51That was precisely the reason,
41:52because I expected
41:52that the stimulus was more powerful
41:54or something like that.
41:55I didn't know
41:56if what I was imagining
41:59That was what I was feeling,
42:01if what I felt
42:03was muscular
42:03or was it a presence,
42:05because there has been a moment
42:06that I've been left with
42:07very stiff neck
42:09And I've thought
42:10which was because of the posture
42:11that had
42:12or because I wasn't relaxing
42:13And that's why too
42:14He moved his head a lot
42:15to try to relax
42:16the muscles.
42:18So,
42:19I haven't been able to interpret it
42:20perfectly
42:21everything I was feeling.
42:23Look at what you had,
42:24a presence,
42:25of course the image
42:26It's unsettling, isn't it?
42:27Is this the first
42:28What's been happening?
42:29Yeah.
42:29It's the first thing
42:30that I have felt
42:31has been
42:33like the...
42:34I just don't know how to say it
42:35if it is a presence
42:36or was it a pain
42:37either...
42:38But I've noticed something
42:39here on the back of the neck,
42:41of this bone
42:42down.
42:43How interesting
42:44because we are seeing
42:44the image
42:45which says it all
42:45our experts.
42:47What is that?
42:48That's what we could say.
42:50which is precisely
42:50that perception
42:52extrasensory,
42:53that sixth sense
42:54that there is like a
42:56sense of presence
42:58because certainly
43:00we would say that you are
43:02receiving.
43:03Even if you are not
43:04aware of this,
43:05with consciousness,
43:07there is a part of you
43:08which is precisely
43:10and also
43:10How are you?
43:12experiencing very well
43:13and you're touching yourself
43:14the back,
43:15like you're receiving
43:16that look.
43:17And also, look
43:17which is an interesting thing
43:18that you are seeing
43:19our viewers,
43:20although this image
43:21It is more threatening,
43:23The one that, at least for me,
43:24I don't know what you think,
43:25I find it unsettling.
43:26It is the one in the figure
43:26right behind
43:27because we
43:28as spectators
43:29we felt
43:30that typical pressure
43:31behind
43:31And how curious,
43:33we didn't know
43:33that Estefanía
43:34have felt
43:34that rigidity here.
43:35But not until later
43:37to come out of the dish
43:38he followed me
43:40weighing
43:40the neck.
43:41That's where I want
43:42I have a question.
43:43Haven't you pressed
43:44the button
43:45when you have felt
43:46That feeling?
43:47Because?
43:47Was there anything
43:48What was stopping you?
43:49Because I was thinking
43:50that perhaps
43:51It was a question
43:51that still
43:52I wasn't adapting
43:53and that perhaps
43:55the chair
43:56She wasn't sitting properly.
43:58And that's why
43:59It was affecting me
44:00in the column
44:02or something like that.
44:02You would have done it later
44:03and you would have felt that
44:04at another time,
44:05stiffness in the neck
44:07or something like that.
44:07I haven't had time
44:08in order to notice
44:11that she was relaxed
44:13and that suddenly
44:14It hurt
44:14Or at least I had that feeling.
44:17So I think
44:17that having been
44:19very strong
44:20and from the beginning
44:22I haven't known
44:23identify it.
44:24I've thought
44:25which was...
44:25What happens
44:26It's just that I'm there
44:26I would say exactly that
44:28in this case
44:29She is talking to us
44:30that there is an interpretation
44:33that she does
44:34of a feeling.
44:36Because the instruction
44:38It was at the moment
44:39that you feel something
44:40press.
44:42OK?
44:43And she hasn't.
44:44He hasn't done it
44:45because of what you've done
44:47Estefanía
44:47It has been thinking,
44:49interpret.
44:50If you had continued
44:52really
44:52direct instruction
44:53you at that moment
44:55that you have felt that
44:56you would have pressed.
44:58In fact there have been
44:58one moment
44:58in which you have been
44:59about to press
45:00because you put your hand
45:01that you haven't arrived
45:02to press the button
45:03But it is true
45:04that you had your hand retracted
45:05above the knee
45:05and you have extended it.
45:07That's not a pulse
45:08but it can be interpreted
45:08a bit.
45:09And now I ask him
45:11to our experts
45:13which is not a change
45:14People may think
45:15And that's one
45:15of the great dilemmas
45:17that people can have.
45:18Well,
45:18He's done it on television
45:18especially with a partner
45:19of the team
45:20has touched,
45:21we know
45:21which is not the case
45:22which was absolute freedom
45:23but at the same time
45:24the digits
45:25of those meters
45:27of the lines
45:28Let's put it this way
45:29of the mood
45:30and of the physicist
45:30from Estefanía
45:31they behaved
45:32at the same time.
45:33That is to say,
45:34when that moment has occurred
45:35they were rising rapidly
45:36the pulse.
45:38I must admit
45:39that perhaps
45:39I haven't been entirely honest
45:40that should have been
45:41with my own body
45:42Because it is true
45:43I remember the feeling
45:45of having put
45:45my hand on top
45:46of the leg
45:47as if I notice something else
45:48as follows
45:49it's going to the button
45:50But I haven't dared.
45:52I think I didn't want to
45:53fail or something like that
45:54I don't know
45:56Therein lies the interpretation
45:57mental
45:57how interesting
45:58That's what you say
45:59because?
46:00because she has stopped
46:01a little bit and has done analysis
46:02of what was happening
46:03instead of
46:03directly
46:04very interesting
46:06Let's look at the images
46:07from the first guest
46:09of the animal world
46:11come on,
46:12an image
46:13tremendous iconography
46:16It has a lot of strength
46:16these images
46:17because it's a python
46:19a python
46:20And it must be said
46:21Estefanía
46:22even though you don't know it
46:23as soon as the snake
46:25has been placed
46:26in the typical position
46:27how to analyze
46:30as someone who analyzes
46:31the dam really
46:32next to the glass
46:33It's when you
46:34have you taken the pulse
46:36Yes, also
46:37What did you feel?
46:37It's been like
46:40That might have been it.
46:41the most visual impulse
46:43that I have had
46:43I have had as
46:45within the darkness
46:47as if suddenly
46:48would have had
46:49a stain
46:49much blacker
46:50then
46:51Manuel
46:52Estefanía confesses to us
46:53that he noticed something
46:54in their visual perception
46:55Can it be explained?
46:56Can we really feel
46:58the presence
46:58of an animal
46:59so powerful
47:00like a snake
47:01or are we still
47:02very far away
47:02that this could be
47:03a reliable test?
47:05Of course
47:05at the current level
47:06at university
47:06Nobody admits this
47:07No?
47:08But things happen.
47:10Things are already happening
47:11The thing is that
47:11I am still
47:13a little skeptical
47:13That's my role here too
47:15No?
47:15as it should be
47:16exactly
47:16but
47:17so that he would have
47:19let's say so
47:19a scientific validity
47:20would be needed
47:21some more controls
47:22For example
47:23one thing to me
47:23who calls me
47:24a lot of attention
47:24the thing is
47:24in both cases
47:26although I anticipated
47:26a little bit of the next one
47:28They have always reacted
47:29further down
47:30of the test
47:31and the stimuli
47:32as most impactful
47:33they came out at the end
47:34this about order
47:35It is important
47:35maybe
47:36to have started
47:37by the python snake
47:38and to have finished
47:39no reason
47:40No?
47:41and then also
47:42time
47:43that is to say
47:44would be necessary
47:45having left
47:45time
47:46without presence
47:47nobody's
47:47without presence
47:48nobody's
47:48and see if it pressed
47:49the baseline
47:51the thing is
47:52It's not just
47:52as a basis
47:53prior to the experiment
47:54but it has to be done
47:55also during the experiment
47:56that is to say
47:57the test is done
47:58The person presses the button
47:59and then it's allowed to happen
48:00another time
48:01man I understand
48:01that patience
48:02It's not easy.
48:03to have in these cases
48:04but
48:04we must continue
48:05a time without stimuli
48:06and see if it continues
48:07if it continues to increase
48:08that panic
48:08because in both cases
48:09It seems like it has increased
48:10No panic.
48:11but if the feeling
48:12about what
48:12Okay, that's fine.
48:13I've been here a long time now.
48:14probably
48:15There may be distress.
48:17for time
48:18in that situation
48:19which of course
48:19It's not very comfortable.
48:20clear
48:20I've been told
48:21if I feel something
48:21fix
48:22clear
48:22I've been here a long time
48:23without feeling anything
48:24and maybe
48:24probably
48:25That's one possible explanation.
48:26That would be a good control.
48:28reverse the order
48:28and create white time.
48:30really interesting
48:31and also
48:31I believe that with your help
48:32We are learning things
48:34so that in the future
48:36experiments we lend
48:36on television
48:37and you are the first
48:39and they want to see everything
48:39more or less quickly
48:40in this fast-paced world
48:41in which we live
48:42But it's true
48:42which of course
48:43We are learning things
48:44for the future
48:45I could even do better
48:47Estefanía
48:47that has truly been
48:48a pleasure
48:49having you here
48:50Thank you very much
48:50based on your experience
48:51that you have told it
48:52wonderfully
48:53And that's good.
48:54that we will do more
48:55that we will do more
48:56And that's good.
48:57many scientists
48:58They'll also be seeing this
48:59perhaps they don't dare
49:00many to say
49:01that this has some validity
49:02But I'm sure
49:03that they will look at him
49:04with healthy envy
49:04because we are experimenting
49:06which is no small thing
49:07and verifying that sometimes
49:08You see things
49:09or that things feel like
49:10Thank you so much, Estefanía
49:11really
49:12and now
49:13Well, let's remember some moments
49:14from the experience
49:15from our friend Estefanía
49:16and now in an instant
49:17Another friend is coming
49:19that he didn't know
49:20absolutely nothing
49:21nor what he came for
49:22nor what was going to happen
49:23It's Oscar
49:51Okay, and here it is.
49:52our friend Oscar
49:52welcome
49:54How did you find out?
49:55so in general
49:55There have been times
49:56of pulses
49:57You need to know this
49:58very high
49:58of a feeling
49:59as perhaps
50:00of growing anxiety
50:01How have you experienced it, Oscar?
50:03well at the beginning of the entry
50:04I've been a little nervous
50:05the truth
50:05and with everything I had put
50:07It was a little difficult to concentrate
50:10in what was the experiment
50:11a moment when I tried to focus
50:13That was mostly it
50:15how did I know it was from outside?
50:17by hearing, sight, etc.
50:19I wasn't going to notice anything
50:20I've tried to focus on myself
50:21a bit
50:22And it has been those feelings.
50:25Maybe I've noticed
50:26in more accelerated moments
50:27in which I have decided
50:29a feeling like you noticed something
50:31that cannot be very well defined
50:33In other words, it's not a feeling of anguish.
50:34of presence
50:36So that was it.
50:37I felt more nervous.
50:39that accelerated me
50:40just when I thought I was calmer
50:43or I don't know
50:45It was a bit complicated
50:46the truth
50:46to know how to differentiate a little
50:48Let's look at some images
50:49He is a man
50:50that is pointing at you
50:52amazing
50:53with a telescopic sight
50:55laser
50:56which by the way
50:56It's pointing at your skull
50:58in the end
50:59You couldn't imagine it
51:00You never expected this
51:01No?
51:01not at all
51:02And now when you see this
51:03What do you imagine?
51:04I don't know
51:06I never imagined it
51:07that they were going to be aiming
51:08Let's go but
51:10Well, look at that.
51:10There has been a very curious moment
51:12And let's see if this has any...
51:14I don't know
51:15for you at least
51:16we are certainly
51:16conjecturing
51:17We certainly don't want to.
51:19but especially when
51:21both in Estefanía
51:22that he told us
51:22that has been put
51:23all this rigid area
51:24like our friend Oscar
51:25when I was
51:26the sight
51:27in this area too
51:28from the nape of the neck
51:28It has been a time of intense emotions.
51:30quite important
51:32Could that mean something?
51:33Can you tell us something?
51:35not for me
51:36sincerely
51:37I mean
51:37I mean
51:38if that were replicable
51:40because that can happen
51:41by chance
51:41like so many things
51:42Or maybe not
51:43That's what we're here for.
51:44testing a little bit
51:44And these are signs
51:45of things that can happen
51:47It's like the stars in the sky
51:48by chance
51:49some are organized
51:50closer to others
51:50and others are more distant
51:52It could be that by chance
51:53They both would have felt something
51:54then
51:57Let's repeat it more times
51:58exits
51:59Then there's no problem.
52:01Well
52:02Or there would be a big problem.
52:03Or there would be a big problem.
52:04No, exactly, exactly.
52:04There would be a lot of problems.
52:05I'm more inclined to
52:06also to think
52:07obviously yes
52:08replicate it
52:08because it is also important
52:10the scientific part of it
52:12and the demonstrable part of it
52:13now
52:14because I am more open
52:17to what I said before
52:18that capacity
52:20that ours has
52:21extrasensory perception
52:23to understand the world
52:25that surrounds us
52:26in a way
52:26much more global
52:27and complete
52:28that what science
52:29more than anything it indicates
52:31Well, I would say
52:32which obviously
52:32Let's get back to the topic
52:34that there are
52:35a sixth sense
52:36Here we have one thing clear.
52:36Rachel, David
52:37that our friends
52:39isolated
52:40clear
52:41with all that this entails
52:42have felt things
52:43very similar
52:44at times
52:45very similar
52:46and there has been
52:46one last guest
52:47Look at that
52:48Me later, Oscar
52:49This is how you're going to feel
52:51a little impressed
52:51like all of us
52:52which has been Zambra
52:54Zambra
52:54who came in with you
52:55to the cabin
52:56and has been with you
52:57Let's see if we can see it
52:59because it has been the moment
53:00in what
53:02definitely
53:04your heart rate
53:06It's a tiger
53:07Bengal
53:12It's a Bengal tiger
53:13And you know what that moment was.
53:14where you pressed
53:15more times
53:16when he has looked at you
53:18there has been a moment
53:19where he has remained
53:20in front of you
53:22He stared at you intently
53:23And it's been impressive.
53:24Right, David?
53:25How did you experience that moment?
53:26It's been good.
53:27Well, that's exciting!
53:28I honestly
53:30I thought we were going to notice something
53:31but that in a single experiment
53:33with so little time
53:35it was going to be less spectacular
53:36sincerely
53:37And I don't know what
53:37I'm going to keep one thing
53:38of today's entire conversation
53:39and this whole experiment
53:40which is two people
53:41of science
53:42Tell me what you think.
53:43that must be repeated
53:44More experiments need to be done
53:45because that implies
53:46What do you think? Is there something?
53:48that does
53:49It gives it meaning
53:50that is to say
53:50We haven't done anything that...
53:51It's just a coincidence
53:52It may or may not be
53:53It's just so impressive
53:55It's very impressive.
53:55what we have seen
53:56Now the question is
53:57if that's really it
53:57it could be obtained more times
53:59even with the same person
54:00because there may be some
54:02more sensitive than others
54:03to extraordinary perceptions
54:05Let's put it this way
54:06even if the same person is replicated
54:08but it can be repeated
54:10that would be fascinating
54:10I find it very interesting
54:11one thing
54:11look
54:13Manuel
54:14one of his works
54:15The mind of Homo Sapiens
54:16A highly recommended book
54:17that deep down
54:18investigate about
54:20so much that we know
54:20and so much we don't know
54:22that a man of your prestige
54:23Say this is impressive
54:25It encourages me
54:25that is to say
54:26because
54:27Well, it could be chance.
54:28Of course
54:29But it's impressive.
54:30Perhaps Manuel
54:30because it's not done
54:31The question is
54:31because it's not done
54:32when technology
54:33Today's could help us
54:34at least to experience
54:36and it gives the impression
54:37I'm telling you like
54:37with admiration
54:38You know that
54:39on many scientific thresholds
54:41more or less academic
54:43well then
54:43It's not going to happen
54:44nor will it be invested
54:45absolutely nothing
54:46Well, that would be interesting.
54:47delve a little deeper into this
54:48with whom he has means
54:50not television
54:50Yeah man
54:51There are several causes
54:52then one of them
54:53It's the financing
54:54which is what
54:55You can't investigate
54:56if you don't have funds
54:57And you're always asking for funds.
54:58whenever you ask for funds
54:59You have to say
55:00what you are going to do
55:01And what are you going to work on?
55:01And this is a risk
55:02This is a risk
55:03for those who invest
55:04and for whom it is done
55:05So it's very difficult there.
55:06and then it can also be
55:09that have been done
55:10experiments of this type
55:11in times past
55:12and they weren't done properly
55:13or with good controls
55:14and so on
55:15and have brought discredit
55:16things kind of
55:16I don't know
55:17and vice versa.
55:18I would say
55:19which is that they have been made
55:21very good experiments
55:22at university
55:23JFK
55:24at university
55:25from Santa Monica
55:26at university
55:26from Lobaina
55:27that is to say
55:28There are many universities
55:29in which they have been made
55:30number of experiments
55:31of this style
55:32And what happens
55:33which is
55:33from the point of view
55:34of science
55:35They are not heard
55:38That's what you said
55:39suddenly
55:39a person who puts
55:40to investigate
55:41this kind of thing
55:42is discredited
55:43it is marked
55:44But the reality
55:45Raquel
55:46the reality is that
55:47Look at this moment
55:47our friend Oscar
55:50You of course
55:51at no time
55:52you couldn't even imagine
55:53a man
55:54called Igor
55:56with a rifle
55:57telescopic
55:57in your head
55:58and neither
55:58Look, this is the moment
55:59This is one of the moments
56:01That's the moment
56:02in which Zambra looks at you
56:03and there the pulse
56:04I don't know how much they've gone up.
56:06not even remotely
56:07You could imagine that
56:08No way.
56:09besides
56:09just saw
56:09an identical image
56:10who was in front
56:12and how in fact
56:13like that with the neck
56:14as if to take it away
56:15tension above
56:15I really didn't know
56:16if it was
56:17due to pressure
56:18of being there
56:19or because at that moment
56:20I felt something
56:20but yes
56:22it was difficult to differentiate
56:23but yes
56:24And could you do
56:25some parallelism
56:26Oscar
56:26with some feeling
56:27that is to say
56:28that nervousness
56:29What does it look like?
56:29in everyday life
56:31At what point could it be
56:32that acceleration
56:33or I don't know
56:34a moment of emotion
56:35of anguish
56:37scary
56:38Well, I think more
56:40Really scary
56:41moment that really
56:42You're afraid
56:43to say
56:44Something's going to happen to me
56:46and speed up a lot
56:47a moment of
56:48a tense moment
56:49not knowing how to react
56:50in the end
56:51I think it has been
56:52a wonderful experience
56:53I think it has been
56:53a pioneering experience
56:54And I think it has been
56:55It's a pleasure to experience it with you.
56:56certainly
56:57whether we like it or not
56:58This has been done here tonight
56:59Let them give their opinions later.
57:01whatever they want
57:02but of course
57:03first we passed it on
57:04very good
57:04I hope the audience
57:06I hope you had a great time
57:06and marks a milestone
57:07truly experimental
57:09on Spanish television
57:11really
57:11Raquel Torrent
57:13what do we have to do
57:14more experiments like these
57:15and that you have to come
57:16to see them
57:16Or I also thank you
57:18for patience
57:19that you have had
57:20because be careful
57:21that this then
57:22It's too long
57:22It's very tedious
57:23sometimes
57:24and have been
57:25like true champions
57:26both Raquel Torrent
57:27like Manuel Martín Loeches
57:28who are good friends
57:29of this team
57:30and that they have given us
57:31your cache
57:32in the aspect of knowledge
57:33to say
57:33hey
57:34So far it's impressive
57:35We'll see what happens
57:36It has been a pleasure
57:37to be with you
57:37really
57:37thank you so much
57:39and to David Zurdo
57:40I don't know what to tell her anymore.
57:41Well, first I'm saying goodbye to Oscar
57:42Oscar, it's been a pleasure.
57:44Seriously, friend
57:44Thank you so much for giving me
57:45this opportunity
57:45No, man, please.
57:46Thank you, because without you
57:47This makes no sense.
57:48And you have been
57:49participant in an experiment
57:51which will be discussed
57:51I'll tell you that much.
57:52will be discussed
57:53for better or for worse
57:54Well, we'll talk.
57:55which is good
57:55David Zurdo
57:57Well, I honestly
57:58I'm surprised too
58:00I didn't know what was going to happen
58:01obviously
58:01What are we going to do?
58:02Well, don't tell me.
58:03But we'll do something, right?
58:04Yes, well, telepathy
58:06mysteries of perception
58:07There are so many topics
58:08that can be made visual
58:10that everyone shares them
58:11And that's good.
58:11Let's look for those clues
58:12those clues
58:13because also in the end
58:14I believe that we must arrive
58:15to a conclusion
58:16What is this?
58:17someone who sees it
58:18Believe it or not
58:19or it can be interpreted or not
58:20but in the end
58:21the truths
58:21They always end up finding out
58:22Because the truth is
58:23He doesn't need anyone.
58:23she creates it
58:24that is to say
58:24it is
58:25yes it is
58:26Will anyone believe it?
58:27someone not
58:27I believe we can
58:28do many things
58:29certainly the fourth millennium
58:30It's going to have a direction
58:31spectacular in this respect
58:32There will be experiments.
58:33I'm sure
58:34that they are disastrous
58:35because they have to be
58:36others who will surprise us
58:37like this
58:37oh well
58:38The important thing is that
58:38Let's all watch them together
58:39It has been a pleasure
58:40really
58:40Now we're going to talk about many more things.
58:41pay close attention
58:42please
58:42bye