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00:25The major terrorist attack
00:30The September 12th and 13th editions already mention him
00:34And then people started telling stories, rumors, legends
00:38Some remain as truths
00:40Installed in that global and interactive memory that is the internet
00:43For example, that the Jews fled a few hours before the Twin Towers
00:47Others spoke of an operation, that of crashing the planes, as absolutely impossible.
00:51If there was no help from within
00:54And some claim that the United States somehow knew what was going to happen
00:57And they let events unfold.
01:01Things, you be the judge, but hard to believe
01:04With all this amalgamation, with this labyrinth of confusing stories, ideas, and data
01:08We've arrived at today, seven years later
01:11What do we know about Qaeda?
01:12We know that he has attacked again, unfortunately.
01:15We know that it is made up of people who are able to disconnect from their ordinary lives.
01:20Settled in the West and become soldiers of Allah
01:24Carrying the Quran and a Kalashnikov
01:29And we know that a war has started with them.
01:31A terror completely unlike anything humanity has ever known.
01:36Do we really know al-Qaeda?
01:37Do we know how many people make it up?
01:39Do we know what the capacity for action is?
01:41What exactly is happening now?
01:44We need to talk to investigative journalists
01:45With analysts, with biographers of Bin Laden
01:48We need to have them here
01:50And to get some answer.
01:57Seven years have just passed since the tragic events of September 11, 2001.
02:02That day, the names of Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden
02:07They suddenly entered our lives
02:09In the most dramatic way possible
02:12Seven years later
02:14It's very little more than that
02:16What we know about a man
02:17And an organization
02:19They remain surrounded by the deepest of mysteries
02:30It is in Soviet-occupied Afghanistan
02:33This is where talk begins of a group called Al Qaeda
02:36There, Osama Bin Laden
02:39A young Saudi man from a good family
02:41Who has fervently embraced the Islamic cause
02:43He established his headquarters as the leader of a multinational guerrilla force.
02:47Of Muslim militiamen
02:49Bin Laden is funded, equipped, and trained by the CIA
02:54Through the Pakistani secret service
02:57The ISI
02:58The operation was called
03:00Operation Cyclone
03:03The organizational structure that it imposes on its group
03:06It is based on independent cells of militants
03:09That do not depend on any centralized authority
03:11Although they can communicate with each other
03:14Through clandestine contact networks
03:16A very similar type of structure
03:18To that of certain organized crime organizations
03:21Which has given him enormous freedom of action
03:23And a great difficulty in being dismantled
03:26Since the militants were questioned
03:28Or the undercover agents
03:30They barely know a handful of contacts
03:32Which in turn
03:33They know others
03:36Osama focuses on emulating one of his heroes.
03:39And a role model
03:40Hassan Bin Sabah
03:42The creator of the medieval Hashishin sect
03:45An interesting chapter could be written about parallel lives
03:50With the biographies of Hassan Bin Sabah
03:52And Osama Bin Laden
03:53One
03:55In the mountains of 11th-century Persia
03:57And another
03:58In the Afghanistan of the 21st century
04:01Both embraced religion at a relatively late age.
04:05They were international political activists
04:08They came from wealthy families
04:10They received a thorough education
04:12They applied the teachings of the Quran with fanatical zeal.
04:15They gained a reputation as terrorists
04:18They managed to surround themselves with an army of followers
04:21Ready for anything
04:22And they fought against the great powers of their time
04:28Both established their headquarters
04:31In the inaccessible mountains of Afghanistan
04:33Like his predecessor
04:35Bin Laden trains his warriors
04:37From adolescence
04:38So that they may accept death without hesitation
04:42Hundreds of Islamic radicals were traveling to Afghanistan
04:45To be trained in the training camps
04:47That surrounded the Tora Bora cave complex
04:50A true natural bunker
04:52Which Osama Bin Laden turned into his headquarters
04:57As of today
04:58Nothing is known about the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden
05:01And there is even speculation
05:03Regarding whether or not he is still alive
05:06The mystery surrounding Al Qaeda continues.
05:08That invisible
05:10Intangible
05:11Like a ghost
05:14The war continues day after day
05:16That he once declared to the West
05:28As we said before
05:29Go to the newspaper archives
05:30And search for specimens from anywhere in the world
05:33But especially clear
05:34The exemplary Americans newspapers
05:36From September 12, 2001
05:39And observe them in silence.
05:40It continues to provoke a feeling
05:43Well, the one that really exists
05:45That a new era was beginning
05:46For some, the 21st century
05:48It really begins
05:50It begins here
05:52The era of invisible terror
05:54United States attacked
05:55War in America
05:57Anyway, there are scenes
05:59That they have not been able to forget
06:01Moreover, we all remembered
06:02What were we doing?
06:03I'm sure
06:04At that moment
06:06Military expert
06:07Intelligence services expert
06:08Fernando San Agustín
06:09Good night
06:10Good night
06:12Briefly
06:12If someone asks you
06:15If Al Qaeda is a fabrication
06:16Or is it a resounding reality?
06:18That affects the world
06:20What would you say?
06:21Because there are a lot of people
06:21Who also thinks the opposite
06:22It is a resounding multi-regional
06:28It exists, it's there
06:29And it has been able to bring together
06:31Or to structure
06:33Certain movements
06:34For radical chairs
06:36And violent
06:37And around one idea
06:39The great enemy of the West
06:40Right now?
06:41He is the great enemy of the West.
06:43Well, the great enemy of the West.
06:45It is the West
06:45Okay?
06:47The second
06:47The great enemy of the West
06:49I mean
06:49The great enemy of the West
06:50It is the cowardice of the West.
06:51The timidity of the West
06:54The political correctness of the West
06:56The second is Al Qaeda
06:58What a phrase!
06:59By Fernando San Agustín
07:01Which will then be a sure reason
07:03Controversial
07:04And here
07:04Each one defends their hypothesis.
07:06Of course
07:06Thank you Fernando for being here
07:08And another Fernando
07:08Good friend
07:09Deputy Editor of Interview Magazine
07:11And a great investigative journalist
07:13One of the great experts
07:14In intelligence services
07:16He made some of the basic books
07:18In the history of our country
07:19To learn all this
07:20Are the intelligence services involved?
07:22Have Al Qaeda's intelligence services helped?
07:25To give it growth and volume
07:27Somehow
07:28And now no one can stop it.
07:29To the great serpent
07:31Fernando Rueda
07:31Fellow friend
07:32Thank you for being here
07:33Good night
07:34Good night
07:35The same question
07:36Al Qaeda
07:36A fiction
07:37According to some
07:37A resounding
07:39And extremely dangerous
07:39Structured reality
07:40Directed and coordinated
07:42By someone
07:43Indeed
07:44The history of Al Qaeda
07:46It's the story
07:46How they work
07:48Intelligence services
07:50What are they like?
07:51Those who invent
07:53A monster
07:54And how
07:55That monster
07:56Come to life
07:56And fight
07:58Against those
07:59That
07:59They have created him
08:01I mean
08:01The story of Dr. Frankenstein
08:0221st Century Version
08:03Indeed
08:05Very interesting
08:06Right away
08:07Because you
08:08You are the experts
08:08To those who will listen to you
08:09With great attention
08:10Hundreds of thousands of friends
08:12We give
08:13Open debate
08:14Did
08:15A book
08:16Also essential
08:17Dean Laden
08:18The sword
08:19From Allah
08:19A kind of biography
08:21About this character
08:23About whom also
08:24Let's ask ourselves things
08:25Some say
08:26It's even a doll
08:28That it does not exist
08:28In short
08:29A person
08:29I'm referring to a puppet.
08:31Placed by others
08:32For a scapegoat
08:34For others
08:34Obviously
08:35It is Satan
08:36From the 21st century
08:36As Bush said
08:38Eric Frattini
08:39The author of that book
08:40And from many more studies
08:41About this terror
08:42Eric, as always.
08:43Buddy
08:44How are you, Iker?
08:45Good night
08:45Welcome
08:46Good night
08:47Does Al Qaeda exist?
08:49Well, yes
08:50Al Qaeda exists
08:51Because Al Qaeda
08:52It's an invention
08:53Al Qaeda is a Western invention
08:55That is to say
08:55A Western invention
08:56Yes, it is a Western invention
08:58It's an invention
08:58It's funded by the CIA
09:00Between the year 79
09:01And the year '89
09:02During the Soviet occupation
09:04From Afghanistan
09:06Start financing
09:07To a gentleman
09:07His name is Bin Laden
09:08Who directed
09:09A very important group
09:10Of Mujahideen
09:11That they were fighting
09:12Against the Soviet occupation
09:13And when it ends
09:15The occupation
09:15In the year 1989
09:17Bin Laden
09:17It is found
09:18With a large amount
09:20Of combatants
09:21That they had arrived
09:22From many countries
09:23To combat
09:23Against the communist enemy
09:25The enemy of Islam
09:28And Osama Bin Laden
09:31Decide to create
09:32With all that foundation
09:33Data
09:34Of all the combatants
09:36Decide to create
09:36The base
09:37What is Al Qaeda?
09:38What happens
09:39That from the year 1989
09:40He discovers
09:41That has no enemy
09:42Who to fight against
09:43Then he starts to notice
09:45In monarchies
09:45From the Persian Gulf
09:46And that's when
09:48Ronald Reagan
09:49He was president
09:49From the United States
09:50He cuts off the tap
09:51To Osama Bin Laden
09:51Through the CIA
09:52And at that moment
09:54That's when
09:54He decides
09:55Launch the Jihad
09:56Against the United States
09:57Because the United States
09:57He's cut off his financial supply.
09:59And that's when it becomes
10:00A danger to the West
10:03Of course
10:05I heard about Operation Cyclone
10:06Thanks, of course.
10:07To Santiago Camacho
10:08Operation Cyclone
10:09A term
10:10To learn about this story
10:11From the beginning
10:12Santi, good evening
10:12Good night
10:42By the way
10:43That apparently
10:44That apparently
10:55He was able to stop all of this.
10:56And they wouldn't let him.
11:01It was a very bad day.
11:02To assume the position
11:04But that was the day
11:04In which was incorporated
11:05In charge
11:06John O'Neill
11:07John O'Neill
11:08It came
11:09From the FBI
11:10It had been for years
11:11One of the main
11:13Agents in charge
11:14From the fight against terrorism
11:15He was a man
11:16That I already had experience
11:17On the topic
11:18Regarding domestic terrorism
11:19No to terrorism
11:20No to Arab terrorism
11:21They
11:22He had been
11:23Involved in the issue
11:24On anti-abortion terrorism
11:26Attacks against clinics
11:28Against doctors
11:28And when they transferred him
11:30To the FBI office
11:31In New York
11:32He was put in charge
11:33From the fight against terrorism
11:35Already at the level
11:35At a global level
11:37John O'Neill
11:38He was a man
11:39Obsessed
11:40With the figure
11:41From Osama Bin Laden
11:42He was one of the first
11:43In pointing out the danger
11:44From Al Qaeda
11:45He was in charge
11:47From investigating in Yemen
11:48The attack
11:49Against the USS Cole
11:50And precisely there
11:51It began
11:52The decline of his career
11:53He had an encounter
11:54Very strong
11:55With the ambassador
11:56American in Yemen
11:58It seems that
11:59She couldn't see
12:01With favor
12:01The intervention
12:02From the FBI
12:03In the country
12:03In which he was
12:05Performing his duties
12:06And from that moment
12:08This lady
12:09Start pressing
12:11In various instances
12:12With the power
12:13Let him confess
12:14An ambassador
12:14From the United States
12:17In a position
12:18Important
12:19AND
12:20John O'Neill
12:21It ends
12:21Leaving the FBI
12:23Notifying everyone
12:24That Al Qaeda
12:25It's dangerous
12:26For the United States
12:26Before September 11
12:282001
12:29And it abandons precisely
12:30The FBI
12:31To join
12:32In a position
12:32To the private sector
12:33What is
12:34Head of Security
12:35From the World Trade Center
12:36Of the almost
12:373,000 people
12:38Who died that day
12:39In the Twin Towers
12:40He was the only one
12:42That I really knew
12:43What was happening
13:09Many think
13:10Forums are written
13:12In books
13:12Excellent
13:13Like the Americans themselves
13:16They ignored this story
13:17And some even
13:18They even go so far as to say
13:19And it has been published
13:20I'm not the one saying it.
13:21That almost caused
13:22All of this
13:23So that we have an argument later
13:24To start a war
13:25There are a lot of people
13:25Who defends this?
13:26That seems to me
13:27That's outrageous!
13:27But I don't know about you.
13:28I think so too
13:30That's outrageous!
13:30It has been said
13:31It has been said
13:32It was Bush himself.
13:34That is capable
13:35Of anything
13:35That's true
13:36That is to say
13:36Which he has proven
13:37Not having many scruples
13:39But leave
13:42That the heart
13:43From the United States
13:45And that they died
13:46So many people
13:47I think it's outrageous.
13:48Another thing is
13:49That Bush
13:51I wouldn't be able to
13:52If I manage to get something
13:53That they had not managed
13:54Neither did his predecessors
13:55And that's because
13:56The FBI
13:57And the CIA
13:59They will exchange
13:59Your information
14:00And for
14:02To cope
14:03To the great threat
14:04That they knew
14:04That she
14:05It hung over them
14:07They knew it
14:07Because directly
14:09Bin Laden
14:10She had done it
14:10It's going to happen
14:11In previous years
14:12He said
14:13It's going to happen
14:13Something really big
14:14Very fat
14:14Very fat
14:15The FBI
14:16I had some information
14:17But like the FBI
14:18It's the service
14:19Internal information
14:20He didn't give it to her
14:21The information
14:22To the CIA
14:23That he cannot
14:24In theory
14:26Investigate
14:26Within
14:27From the United States
14:28I don't think so either.
14:29That is to say
14:30I don't think so
14:31On the subject of conspiracies
14:32What I do believe
14:33The thing is
14:34Well
14:35I would say that
14:36For example
14:36The September 11 attacks
14:37It has come out
14:38There is a memorandum
14:39Which is very famous
14:40By Richard Clark
14:41He was a national security advisor.
14:42From the national security council
14:43Reporting to Condolisa Rice
14:45She was a national security advisor
14:47In January 2001
14:50Notifying him
14:51Furthermore, it has
14:51It has been declassified
14:53It's on the internet
14:53On the website
14:55Warning her
14:56About what
14:56USA
14:58I was waiting
14:58A major attack
14:59Against the United States
15:00Against American territory
15:02What's happening?
15:03Really
15:04Let's say the attacks
15:05Of
15:06The 9/11 attacks
15:07From September 11th
15:08It was bound to happen.
15:09Mainly because
15:09All attacks
15:10That were happening
15:11Terrorist attacks
15:12That were happening
15:13On behalf of Al Qaeda
15:14Or from close groups
15:15Al Qaeda
15:15Because then we can talk.
15:17If Al Qaeda really
15:18It's a group as such
15:18Or is it more of a franchise?
15:20Which is how it acts now
15:20Really
15:21Clear
15:21And that's important.
15:22Erick
15:23Because I would like to ask him
15:24To Fernando San Agustín
15:25At the military level
15:26Purely military
15:27Those of us who know nothing about this
15:28We say
15:29How is this possible?
15:29Will they achieve that?
15:31How can no system
15:32Surveillance
15:33It seems he did the right thing.
15:34Your job?
15:34How is this possible?
15:35That in the financial heart
15:36From the world
15:38Whatever happened
15:39And the way it happened?
15:40That's perhaps why
15:41Many hypotheses have emerged
15:43Of all kinds
15:43From the people
15:44That's unbelievable
15:44That that happened there
15:46But it happened
15:46The thing is
15:47We're used to it
15:49We're used to it
15:50To be analyzed
15:51The objective and the aggression
15:53From a point of view
15:55Military
15:57AND
15:57And already late into the night
15:58I mean
15:59Attacking an aircraft carrier
16:01Attack a barracks
16:02Attack a site
16:03Something no one could have imagined
16:05Because nobody could imagine
16:07That it was something so
16:08So unaggressive
16:10Like the towers
16:11So unaggressive
16:12Like the congress
16:13Even Congress
16:14I would have
16:15People thought
16:17People thought
16:17When they were talking about an attack
16:18In the United States
16:19They thought
16:20In the fleet
16:21From such a place
16:22At the port
16:23Of I don't know what
16:23Always on big bases
16:25Military personnel
16:25In the big ones
16:26Strong
16:27There was an exhaustive
16:29Entry control
16:29And exits
16:30Above all
16:30Of trucks
16:31Cisterns
16:31This was one thing
16:33That it was very regulated
16:34In all bases
16:35Military
16:35Because what I was afraid of
16:36It was an attack
16:38Made by these people
16:39Because militarily
16:41We would say that Alqueda
16:42It does not have a structure
16:45It's like
16:46You say
16:46A franchise
16:47It does not have an organization
16:49Military
16:49To be able
16:50To attack
16:51But if he is capable
16:51To kill
16:52That's the difference.
16:53They are capable
16:54To kill
16:54Lots of people
16:55Because of course
16:56It is based on its own
16:57Personal sacrifice
16:58And in all
16:58Therefore
16:59From that moment on
17:01People were defending themselves
17:03USA
17:04He was defending himself
17:04With
17:07He defended
17:07What they considered
17:08The likely risks
17:09The most dangerous risks
17:11The others
17:11They didn't consider them
17:12So
17:13There was also
17:14A topic
17:15That Fernando
17:16He quoted him
17:17And it is the lack
17:18Information
17:19The lack of cross-investment
17:20Information
17:20But that
17:20It's not from the United States
17:22That's from our country.
17:23I would add
17:24In your speech
17:25I completely agree
17:27Something important
17:28USA
17:29Above all
17:30It had been a few years
17:31In which
17:32I had discovered
17:33That to cope
17:34To all his enemies
17:35What was most valuable
17:36They were the satellites
17:37What was most valuable
17:39These were the new topics
17:39From technology
17:40Forgetting
17:40Forgetting the people
17:41From the countryside
17:41And Al Qaeda
17:42Al Qaeda
17:43They did not communicate
17:44They did not communicate
17:45Not even by mobile phone
17:52That is to say
17:54Al Qaeda
18:16He decides to buy
18:17In Dubai
18:18Some phones
18:19What's up?
18:19Exclusive
18:20And they are satellites
18:22And so on.
18:22And what is
18:23But of course
18:24Just the day he uses it
18:25Patam
18:26That's it
18:26It's over now
18:27The next day
18:28He is dead
18:29Clear
18:29Computers
18:30It's the same
18:31They have developed
18:33They had already developed
18:34At that moment
18:34A computer system
18:35In which they have us
18:36Absolutely controlled
18:37To all
18:37That here once
18:38In some program
18:39We've done it
18:42You type
18:42And they install the system for you.
18:43But what is happening?
18:45That in Afghanistan
18:47There isn't even electricity.
18:49That is to say
18:49That they couldn't catch them
18:51Because they cannot use
18:53That type of system
18:54One important thing
18:55Bin Laden
18:55That's clear now.
18:56Then I want to ask Fernando
18:57That's what it says
18:58On excessive political correctness
19:00From the West
19:01He's made it this way.
19:03A very interesting debate
19:04But Bin Laden
19:04As of today
19:06The Great Ghost
19:07International terrorism
19:08What do we know about him?
19:09As of today
19:10We know absolutely nothing.
19:12The speculations
19:12That are
19:14That are being handled
19:15It's possible to find it
19:17Most likely
19:18In the mountainous area
19:20That separates
19:20Pakistan
19:21From Afghanistan
19:22It's a place
19:23What is it called
19:24The tribal zone
19:24Because the government
19:26Pakistani
19:26It has absolutely nothing
19:27No control over it
19:29That is to say
19:29It is nominally
19:31Pakistani
19:31But really
19:32The entrance
19:33To foreigners
19:34It's completely
19:36Prohibited
19:36The army
19:37Pakistani
19:38It has autonomy
19:39Very limited
19:40In the area
19:40And they are the tribal leaders
19:42Those who really
19:42They impose their law
19:43Sometimes with small civil wars
19:45They jump between rival tribes
19:47And those about which nothing is known
19:48Absolutely nothing.
19:49And it's an area
19:51Of hundreds of hidden gorges
19:54From impenetrable mountains
19:56From a very rigid tribal structure
20:00Truly ethnically
20:01They are Pashtuns
20:02They are Afghans
20:03Therefore
20:04Neither
20:05They don't like him much either.
20:07To the Americans
20:08Nor either
20:09To the rest
20:10From the Pakistanis
20:11And it would be a place
20:13Perfect for hiding
20:14Another hypothesis
20:15It's a little more
20:16Tegada by a hair
20:17It would be
20:18In other mountains
20:18These are the ones from Yemen.
20:19His family
20:20It is of origin
20:21Yemeni
20:22There is also a tribal area
20:23Features
20:25Very similar
20:26In Yemen
20:27And it's another one
20:28Of the sites
20:28Where it is pointed
20:29A possible stay
20:30From Bin Laden
20:30They are the two places
20:32Where were they?
20:33Because we'll go through it later.
20:34Because the big question
20:34What are people doing?
20:35Ordinary people
20:36Who watches the program
20:37He says good
20:37How is this possible?
20:38That seven years later
20:39After this tragedy
20:40USA
20:41Or the intelligence services
20:43International
20:43Westerners
20:44They have the world scanned
20:45A guy gets away from them
20:47In this way
20:47What's your response to that?
20:49Well, I would say that
20:52Let's remember the myth
20:53From Zapata in Mexico
20:53They're still thinking
20:55That live
20:55The mountains of Guerrero
20:57Okay?
20:58And what is
20:58Because it's very important
20:59For the people of Guerrero
21:01May Zapata not die
21:02And keep it alive
21:03This
21:03It has been two hundred years
21:04Living there
21:05Yeah
21:05So
21:06Normally,
21:07Everything remains normal
21:08Normally,
21:09The remains
21:09And I say that
21:10Bin Laden is dead
21:11He was sick
21:13Me
21:13Those who knew him
21:14Personally
21:15They told me that
21:16In recent years
21:17That they had met
21:18He was in poor health
21:19I don't know if he was diabetic
21:20I had cholesterol.
21:21When I was even in Sudan
21:22Before he went to Afghanistan
21:24He was already very weak.
21:25I was on dialysis
21:26Yeah
21:27Then he
21:27He was very ill.
21:28And he needs dialysis
21:30And so on.
21:30Normally
21:31That he died
21:32But had he not died
21:33I mean
21:34If not to have died
21:35He is a man who speaks
21:36In English
21:36A perfection without limits
21:38He's a dandy
21:39He's a dandy
21:40Everyone remembers it
21:41His London period
21:42Well
21:42Drinking alcohol
21:44Women
21:44Etc
21:44Therefore
21:45If he is alive
21:47He will be in London
21:47Or in New York
21:48Or in Marbella
21:50Or in Marbella
21:52It is necessary to add
21:52That Miladen
21:53Between the years 1979 and 1989
21:57He was a regular visitor
21:59From Marbella
22:01And the parties in Marbella
22:02Where also
22:03He maintained relationships
22:06With the agent
22:07From the CIA
22:08That was already
22:09In the area
22:09As stated
22:11In the very
22:14Archive
22:15Of intelligence
22:17It is true that those who knew him
22:18Then
22:18They say he was a big fan
22:19To football
22:20And it was Real Madrid
22:21Don't get angry with me
22:22Real Madrid fans
22:22Indeed
22:23No
22:23But he
22:24Marbella
22:24It's too small for this
22:26No no
22:27But I want to tell you
22:27He's a man of the world.
22:29That is to say
22:30That he could
22:30No one will find out.
22:32Nobody
22:32And he is a man
22:33And he is a man
22:34With a fortune
22:35Truly impressive
22:36A fortune
22:37That has been discussed
22:38Even in a relationship
22:39I ask you
22:39Echoing
22:40From the viewers
22:42Relations
22:42Let's see
22:43Among the Bush family
22:44And the Bin Laden family
22:45In business
22:47What's the truth?
22:48It's time to bring it to the forefront.
22:49What's the truth?
22:50We have to tell him
22:51For example
22:51The thing is
22:51In which we have been
22:53In the Middle East
22:54We know very well
22:55Things that happen
22:55In the Middle East
22:56Curious things
22:56For example
22:57One thing you would find
22:59For example
23:00Al Qaeda
23:01Headquarters explodes
23:02From the Saudi National Guard
23:03He blows it up
23:05With a truck bomb
23:06Where a lot of people die
23:07No?
23:08But curiously
23:08Who will rebuild the building?
23:10Who will rebuild the building?
23:12The Saudi Bin Laden Group
23:13You go online
23:14SVG
23:15What is the Bin Laden group?
23:16From the Bin Laden family
23:17And they have a real empire
23:20For example
23:20Minor nuance
23:21It must be said
23:22That Bin Laden has
23:24I think there are 55 siblings
23:25Yes, yes, yes
23:26That is to say
23:26When you talk about the emporium
23:28They are all families
23:29Even
23:29Even when you get involved
23:30On the page
23:31From the Saudi Bin Laden Group
23:32You get involved in the council
23:33Administration
23:34And you see everything
23:36Yahia Bin Laden
23:37Mohamed Bin Laden
23:38They are brothers
23:39From Osama Bin Laden
23:40That is to say
23:40What's happening?
23:41So what
23:42What's the problem?
23:43What is being considered?
23:43After September 11th?
23:44That Bush
23:45Sign the decree
23:46Freezing
23:47Of goods
23:48From close groups
23:49Al Qaeda
23:50And Bin Laden
23:51But
23:51They don't touch the Saudi Bin Laden Group
23:53Because?
23:54Because in the Saudi Bin Laden Group
23:55In the council
23:56From directors
23:57There are four members
23:59From the Saudi royal family
24:00Then of course
24:01Everything that implies
24:02The Saudi royal family
24:03It's a matter of national security.
24:04It affects national security
24:05From Saudi Arabia
24:06Then it's not touched.
24:07But for example
24:08You are
24:09What do you mean
24:09Therefore
24:09That Bin Laden's companies
24:11They were not touched
24:11They keep making money
24:12After September 11th?
24:14There are funny things
24:15Let me tell you, for example
24:16In the Middle East
24:17For example
24:18You arrived at the Sheraton Hotel
24:19That they were building it
24:20The new Sheraton Hotel in Amman
24:22What is an American company?
24:23The Sheraton Hotel
24:24And you saw
24:25The posters
24:26From the construction company
24:27What is the Saudi Bin Laden Group?
24:28That is to say
24:28The Saudi Bin Laden Group
24:29I was lifting
24:30The Sheraton Hotel in Amman
24:31You come across many things
24:32For example
24:34Where does he get so much money?
24:35To the Bin Laden family?
24:37Mostly
24:37By the father
24:38Because the father
24:39Indeed
24:40They come from very poor backgrounds.
24:41From Hadramut
24:43What is northern Yemen?
24:43And the father
24:45Start building houses
24:47From very humble homes
24:49For the workers
24:50That they were arriving in Saudi Arabia
24:51With the oil boom
24:52What's happening?
24:53That begins to have
24:54Very good relations
24:55With the Saudi royal family
24:56And the Saudi royal family
24:58He grants
24:59To the Bin Laden family
25:01Maintenance
25:02From Mecca and Medina
25:03What are the two holy places?
25:06From Islam
25:06Mecca, Medina
25:07And then Jerusalem
25:08But for example
25:09They are right now
25:11Those responsible
25:12Changing a light bulb
25:13In Mecca
25:14They?
25:15Yes, yes
25:15The Bin Laden group
25:16The Saudi Bin Laden Group
25:18They are in charge
25:19From the maintenance of Mecca
25:20From the maintenance of Medina
25:22They are, for example
25:23They were now building
25:26Now I've seen
25:27On the page
25:27I logged in a few days ago
25:28With the theme
25:29From this debate
25:30I've gotten in
25:31For example
25:31They were building
25:32The highway
25:33One of the highways
25:33Most important
25:34In the Arab Emirates
25:36And it's the Saudi Bin Laden Group.
25:38Then for example
25:39The Saudi Bin Laden Group
25:39They are also
25:40They own
25:41From the concession
25:42I'm not going to say
25:42Car brands
25:43But you can go in and see it.
25:44Of the car brands
25:46Deluxe
25:46They are the
25:47They have the concessions
25:48In Saudi Arabia
25:48And in Kuwait
25:49It means
25:49I imagine that their relatives
25:51They will consider Osama
25:52A stray sheep
25:53I don't think so.
25:54Because it affects it a lot.
25:55The Tribal Question
25:56And among the brothers
25:57A position is maintained
25:59Very tribal
25:59It's true
26:00Anyway
26:00That in the end
26:01From the war
26:02Of
26:04Everything about Afghanistan
26:05Against the Russians
26:06There is a moment
26:07In which
26:08He
26:08They get along great
26:10Because actually
26:10It not only protects him
26:12The Pakistani secret service
26:14Otherwise, it protects him.
26:14The secret service
26:16From Saudi Arabia
26:16But there is a moment
26:18As the years go by
26:19Alliances keep changing
26:21The CIA
26:22Such
26:22I don't know what
26:22And he
26:23He faces
26:24To the very ones
26:25To the very ones
26:27Saudi Arabs
26:28And well
26:30And they consider him
26:31And he has to leave
26:31To Saudi Arabia
26:32To avoid your problem
26:33Clear
26:34That is the key moment
26:35Which is fair
26:36In the first Gulf War
26:38When Saddam Hussein
26:38Invades Kuwait
26:39He
26:40It is offered
26:41To the Saudi government
26:42It is offered
26:43To the Royal Household
26:44For
26:44That database
26:46That's why
26:47The name suits him
26:48From Al Qaeda
26:48Precisely
26:49That he had
26:49Of his mujahideen
26:50From Afghanistan
26:51Reactivate it
26:52Create an army
26:53Of mujahideen
26:54To release
26:55And to protect
26:56To protect
26:57The Holy Places
26:58And to liberate Kuwait
26:59And not having to resort
27:00To the Americans
27:01Automatically
27:02He sees
27:03That's it
27:03That's it
27:04It will not be fulfilled
27:05And that's when
27:05Really
27:06It gets caught
27:06The tremendous
27:08Anger
27:09Really
27:09What is it that
27:10This has led to this situation
27:11And he goes into exile
27:12He goes into exile
27:12Sudan
27:13How many people can be
27:14In this invisible army
27:16That causes in some way
27:17That different kind of war?
27:18They said
27:19Even the ancient prophets
27:20That terrible war
27:22It was going to be different
27:23And many maintain
27:24That this is
27:24World War III
27:25Different
27:26How many people can be there?
27:27There are two concepts
27:28One is
27:28The people who have available
27:29And the people who are possible
27:30Something that might motivate him
27:31I mean
27:32People who can motivate
27:33People who can motivate
27:34Well, around Paris
27:36There are 300,000
27:38Clear
27:39And in Germany
27:40Well, there
27:40Do not save
27:41It's more
27:41What is the main
27:42A breeding ground for Al Qaeda?
27:44They see him as a hero
27:45That is to say
27:45You were going to Morocco
27:46You go to the neighborhoods
27:47Poor people of Morocco
27:48Or from Algeria
27:49Or from Egypt
27:50For example
27:51The Muslim Brotherhood
27:53They have a real
27:54Breeding ground
27:55With the population itself
27:56He lives very well.
27:58Humbly
27:58Then of course
27:59Come to Osama Bin Laden
28:00Like a great liberator
28:01Through religion
28:02And through
28:03From those campaigns
28:04What does Al Qaeda do?
28:06To attack
28:06Western symbols
28:08Or the United States
28:09Or to Madrid
28:10As was the case with 11M
28:11Or on June 7th in London
28:14That is to say
28:15Then there are
28:16Which is what we were talking about earlier
28:17Because of course
28:17Al Qaeda
28:18It's not a group as such
28:20With a structure
28:21And a pyramidal hierarchy
28:22Al Qaeda
28:23It functions as a kind of
28:24From what we have said
28:25A kind of franchise
28:26That is to say
28:26There is the Salafist Front
28:28He is Moroccan
28:30There is the Moro Liberation Front
28:32In Indonesia
28:33What are groups?
28:34That act
28:35Partially funded
28:36Helped by
28:37Al Qaeda
28:38By someone
28:39Financially
28:40Through Al Qaeda
28:41And then also
28:43They act
28:44Because they have great ease
28:45To get in
28:46Mainly for example
28:46The case of 7J in London
28:48For example
28:48The London bombing
28:49It could have happened
28:51Because
28:53There was a theory
28:54Very interesting
28:54From a
28:55From an analyst
28:56United States
28:57What did he say?
28:57That's clear.
28:57That one of the main
28:58Bazas
28:59Which is a little
28:59Also what he said
29:00Fernando at the beginning
29:00One of the main
29:02Advantages that allow them
29:03Act
29:03Carry out
29:04Terrorist attacks
29:05In Western societies
29:07It is the democracies themselves
29:09And the constitutions themselves
29:10And the ones themselves
29:11Let's say
29:11I respect
29:12To the rights
29:13Civilians
29:14That we have
29:14In Western societies
29:15In one of the topics
29:16More thorny
29:16What was Fernando saying?
29:17And we can discuss it.
29:18Is it the West?
29:19He's been largely to blame.
29:20With that permissiveness
29:21For this to happen
29:21Look what it's come to
29:22What I wanted to tell you
29:23And I'm thinking about this.
29:24I'll cut my debate short.
29:25Very fast
29:25It was clear
29:26Think, for example
29:28The head of the cells
29:29One of the bosses
29:30From the cells
29:30That they attacked
29:31June 7th in London
29:32On the subway
29:33And on London buses
29:35He was photographed
29:36And engraved
29:37With cameras
29:37For the security service
29:38MI5
29:40Distributing leaflets
29:41At the door
29:41From a mosque
29:43In London
29:43Where the leaflet said
29:45Be a good Muslim
29:47Kill British soldiers
29:48In Iraq
29:50That is to say
29:51That man
29:52He was Arab.
29:53Of Arab origin
29:54But he was born
29:54In Great Britain
29:55He could not be expelled
29:56Already
29:57I don't think so
29:59That we can say
30:00That the West
30:02He has not faced
30:03Really
30:04With the media
30:06That they have
30:07Because we have
30:08Badly done
30:09But we have
30:10Guantanamo
30:11We have Bush's order.
30:12Authorizing
30:13To the CIA
30:15To kill
30:16That
30:16That you consider
30:17Which is from Al Qaeda
30:19Without trial
30:20That's rape.
30:22For me, it's not about confronting
30:24For me it's just the opposite
30:26I was playing a game
30:27Him
30:27You'll see
30:28I
30:28Let me
30:29First, let him do one thing
30:30Me
30:31The one who in the
30:32Miserable people
30:33From Morocco
30:34From Algeria
30:35And so on.
30:35Be a breeding ground
30:37Al Qaeda
30:37I'm not that worried about it.
30:39Because at the end of the day
30:40Know
30:41With the Marshall Plan
30:42That's over.
30:42Okay?
30:43But me
30:45You know what worries me
30:45What worries me
30:46It's about listening.
30:47To an engineer
30:48What has the career done
30:49In Spain
30:52An industrial engineer
30:53Who has completed his career in Spain
30:54That has a trajectory
30:56What it brings out
30:56To a Spanish woman
30:57And that one day
30:58From the start
30:59Decide to unsubscribe
31:01In the company
31:01When I was about to
31:03To reach a position
31:04Very important
31:04And it says that
31:06He will reconsider
31:07And that recovers its roots
31:08Hey
31:10It's to call the phone
31:12And tell the service
31:13Intelligence
31:14If he's smart
31:15Then tell him
31:16Hey
31:16This is happening
31:18Where is this man going?
31:19Where is this man going?
31:21Okay, remember
31:21Remember that
31:22Serján Abdel Magid
31:23The Tunisian
31:24The head of ACM
31:25I was studying in Spain
31:26With a scholarship from the Spanish government
31:28No no
31:28But the thing is
31:28Those who are studying
31:30But there are people
31:31Career
31:32And specialists
31:33And above all
31:34In the world of banking
31:36I remember years ago
31:37Six or eight years ago
31:39When he went up
31:40He
31:40He went up
31:41He
31:42Oil
31:43Three
31:44Dollars
31:45I don't know what
31:45And I was saying it.
31:47Look
31:47The biggest play
31:48The remains
31:48It really is
31:50Ruin the market
31:51And make the market
31:52Increase to 80 euros
31:54$80
31:55At 100 euros
31:55Because then
31:56We entered an economic crash
31:57We cannot endure
31:59Then the big move
32:00From this
32:00And it turns out
32:02That when
32:02You say
32:03How many people have left?
32:05From Wall Street
32:06And from London
32:07From the financial empires
32:09To rediscover their roots?
32:11It's just amazing
32:11Let's not forget
32:12That in the thousand
32:13It's just amazing
32:13They have left
32:1430 or 40 guys
32:15From large banks
32:16From great analysts
32:17That suddenly
32:18That suddenly
32:18They've gotten it
32:18Or remember
32:21Remember that on September 12th
32:23September 11
32:23The attack occurs
32:24And on September 12th
32:25An investigation begins
32:26Against insurance companies
32:27American
32:28Because it started to be said
32:29Another theory
32:30Of the conspiracy
32:30That Al Qaeda
32:32There were people
32:34Close to Al Qaeda
32:35I had been buying
32:36And making policies
32:37Insurance
32:37In American companies
32:38To ruin them
32:39They have taken
32:40Even indoor pumps
32:41In the Twin Towers
32:42Yes, yes
32:43The scope
32:43About the problem
32:44About the problem
32:45What was Fernando saying?
32:46From how far
32:47It can arrive
32:47That cable crossing
32:48Sudden
32:49In very settled people
32:50In 2002
32:50The FBI
32:51He realizes
32:52Of what it has
32:53Really in the hands
32:54And of the magnitude
32:54About the problem
32:55When in his own
32:56Backyard
32:57In a small town
32:59Tiny
32:59Buffalo
33:00Dismantles
33:01A cell
33:02Sleeping
33:02Formed by
33:03US citizens
33:05Born in the United States
33:06Educated in the United States
33:08What had they done?
33:09Their ceremonies
33:09Graduation
33:10In high school
33:11That they had played
33:12Basketball
33:13And that suddenly
33:14They had left
33:15To a field
33:15Training
33:16And it's a wash
33:16Clear
33:16And that's a wash.
33:17Of brain
33:18That
33:19What technique is
33:20So that someone
33:20That he had explained it
33:21Perfectly
33:22Suddenly
33:22Not only does his wire get crossed, but he doesn't just lose his temper.
33:24But be willing
33:25To leave their whole world behind
33:26And to destroy the Western world
33:28Where he has lived
33:28This is what I mean
33:29With Fernando
33:31Really
33:32We have searched
33:33Some ways
33:33To attack
33:34And counteract
33:34The atayo
33:35But
33:36We lost the war.
33:38A career
33:39You don't win.
33:40Tripping people up
33:41To the others
33:42You win by running more
33:43So ideologically
33:44And morally
33:46And we are
33:47Ideologically
33:48We are very unprepared
33:49I mean
33:50Here
33:50Let no one speak
33:51From a sacrifice
33:52When I
33:53He explained to me one day
33:54Of course
33:55The soldiers
33:56They're going to Guadalistán
33:57They may die
33:57No no
33:58They cannot die
33:59They will surely die
34:00And not one
34:01Not two
34:01If they comply
34:02Because the soldier
34:03It's that phrase
34:04From you
34:04You must die
34:05You will go where people die.
34:06Pussy
34:06And some will get out alive
34:07The majority
34:08And I hope there will be many.
34:09But
34:10So
34:11It must be acknowledged
34:12They've died
34:14I don't know what
34:14Look
34:14On the road
34:156,000 have died
34:16This month
34:16And nobody has broken into the Citroën.
34:18Not even Renault
34:19Not even Seat
34:20No one has robbed her
34:21And because 20 die
34:22In a place
34:23Fulfilling his duty
34:24And so on.
34:24Like firefighters
34:25Firefighters also die
34:27We are not going to suppress
34:28The fire station
34:29So
34:29To psychologically rearm
34:31Ideologically
34:32West
34:32That is to say
34:33We are sure
34:34Of what we represent
34:35We are sure
34:36That democracy
34:37That's how it is with all the flaws.
34:38And what do we have to do?
34:39We are sure
34:40I don't know what
34:40We are sure
34:41On religious freedom
34:42We are sure
34:43Of I don't know what
34:43Well, if we're sure about this...
34:44Let us not be afraid
34:45And let us allow
34:47These people who come here
34:48These people
34:49But let's prepare them
34:50No
34:50Let's try to counteract it psychologically
34:53We haven't done it
34:53Interesting
34:54Intelligence services
34:56That you know
34:57Perfectly
34:58That's why I say we haven't done it
34:59USA
35:01England
35:01And Spain
35:02The three locations of the attack
35:03They have increased
35:04Their templates
35:05At least 30%
35:07So that?
35:08To do what they hadn't done before
35:10I would also like
35:12In a few brief moments
35:14Tell him the story
35:15From this photograph
35:16Because he is a member
35:16From our team
35:18That they are going to meet
35:19Well, you already know
35:20It's Luis Álvarez
35:21A reporter from our team
35:23That he was at Al Qaeda bases
35:25Investigating as a war reporter
35:26That it almost
35:27To lose their life there
35:28And he's going to tell us.
35:55Luis Álvarez
35:56Buddy
35:56Good night
35:57Good night
35:57Just arrived on a trip
35:59Research in Spain
36:00But this trip also
36:00I imagine it marked your life
36:01Deeply
36:02Like the most
36:03I don't think there has been one.
36:04Another such important trip
36:05And so enriching
36:07Despite the war
36:08It's always talked about
36:09Erick has also been
36:09Perhaps in some conflict
36:11In several
36:11And in Afghanistan as well
36:13And it is one of the experiences
36:14More enriching to life
36:15Because it teaches you many things
36:16And above all, it's a great privilege.
36:18Because it teaches you
36:19You're living history, aren't you?
36:21In first person
36:21At one point also
36:22How was it
36:24The American invasion
36:25From Afghanistan
36:26After the fall
36:27From the Twin Towers
36:27A moment for history
36:29Determinant
36:30I would rather say
36:31That will change
36:31And that changed the world
36:33Forever
36:33And that the world
36:34He was never the same again
36:36Al Qaeda bases
36:37That's clear.
36:38One thing is for the news
36:39And another
36:39Being by their side
36:40And photograph them
36:41The feeling has to be
36:41Very different
36:42I don't know which one you have.
36:43When taking that photo
36:44Show it, Luis
36:44Well, it's a photo
36:46From a base
36:46Which is 17 kilometers away
36:48More or less
36:50Of
36:51Kabul
36:53From the Afghan capital
36:54As the viewers see
36:55He's absolutely wrecked
36:57For sure
36:58By a tomahawk
36:59American
37:00And it was one of the offices
37:01That they had set up
37:02For the Mujahideen
37:03After the move
37:04From Peshawar
37:05Where we say that
37:07Well then
37:08They would have papers
37:09They'd have a lot
37:10Information
37:10They would meet here
37:11And a little further on
37:14A little further on
37:15Along that same road
37:17Already touching the mountains
37:18Have
37:19It's impressive.
37:21In the middle of the desert
37:22From the mountains
37:23That
37:23What is that?
37:24This is a field
37:25Former training ground
37:26That today
37:27I was using
37:28Or in those
37:28At that time
37:30In 2001
37:30I was using
37:31The American army
37:33To train
37:33To the army
37:34Afghan national
37:36As you can see
37:37Well, there are a lot.
37:38Of people
37:39That they are there
37:40Throwing some targets
37:41There's a sniper
37:42That he was watching us
37:43From one of the rooftops
37:44And some car
37:45From the CIA
37:46Some
37:47All-terrain
37:48From the CIA
37:48That we had them
37:48Pretty good
37:49Identified
37:51We were talking
37:51We were talking
37:51Before
37:52For example
37:53Where he was
37:54Bin Laden
37:55This is one of the
37:56Zones
37:57Behind these mountains
37:59What are you looking at here?
37:59It is one of the areas
38:01Where could it be found?
38:01It's the tribal zone
38:02The area of
38:04The tribal zone
38:05To the Pashtun
38:05And what is this area like?
38:06Is it really that inaccessible?
38:07Luis?
38:08Well
38:09Because the big question
38:10It's just that if you
38:10You were there
38:11Taking photographs
38:12And moving around there
38:13Why the services
38:14Intelligence
38:15They fail to give
38:16With anatomy
38:17From Bin Laden
38:18Whether she's alive or dead?
38:19Well, it's strange.
38:19That to be a guy
38:20He is 1.90 meters tall
38:21And that it has a physiognomy
38:22So easy to recognize
38:26We need to take into account
38:27What is it?
38:28All these areas
38:29They are very mountainous
38:30We're talking
38:31From the Pre-Himalayan
38:32It is the mountain range
38:33From Inducash
38:33Some peaks
38:34They are 4,500 meters long
38:36To cross them by car
38:37It's practically
38:38Very complicated
38:39Except for some roads
38:40That unite
38:40From Yalalabad
38:41To enter that area
38:42For example
38:43The Chitral Valley
38:44Which was one of the areas
38:45That they thought it could be
38:46It's that line
38:47Permeable between Afghanistan
38:49And Pakistan
38:50Where now
38:51American troops
38:52They are entering for the first time
38:53Generating a lot of casualties
38:54At the civil level
38:56Because it seems that
38:57They were launching
38:57The Last Hunt
38:58To be able to somehow
39:00To pacify or appease
39:01All that monstrosity
39:03That after 7 years of war
39:04They have been unable to contain
39:06Sending almost all forces
39:08To Iraq
39:08And putting aside for a moment
39:10What was Afghanistan
39:11Having, let's say
39:12Grown
39:13A very dangerous snake
39:14That they themselves
39:15As you have discussed before
39:16In the debate
39:16They created there
39:17Around the year 1978
39:19And the exponential danger
39:21It would be as we have discussed
39:22On occasion
39:22Fernando
39:23Santiago
39:24Eric
39:25Fernando Rueda
39:26If any of these people
39:28They access
39:28We've talked about it here
39:29At this table
39:30Speaking of
39:30State-of-the-art weapons
39:32Weapons of the future
40:02The possibility of a war
40:03It's not Iran
40:05It's definitely not Iran
40:06It's definitely not Iran
40:07But it could be anyone else.
40:08So it could be
40:09If Saudi Arabia falls
40:11It will fall sooner or later
40:13Could be
40:14Because it is a fragmented nation
40:17No?
40:18A nation with little...
40:19But I don't think so, not even to the Americans.
40:21Pay attention to what I'm telling you.
40:22Not even to the Americans
40:22Not even to the Israelis
40:23He'll never be interested
40:24Down with the Gulf monarchy
40:26Yeah, yeah, but oh well
40:26Because that will cause
40:27Such destabilization
40:28And that they're not interested
40:30It doesn't mean
40:30That it cannot happen in that place
40:31Hey?
40:32Because there are things that history
40:35What saves Saudi Arabia
40:37It is Mecca and Medina
40:39But there are many people willing.
40:41To fill that position
40:43Taking a different approach
40:44Because the problem with Saudi Arabia
40:46It is the corruption of the monarchy
40:48That it's frowned upon everywhere
40:50And they think it needs to be replaced.
40:52For another reason
40:52And that other thing is what's dangerous.
40:55Because those bombs are what's dangerous.
40:57And that technical capacity to kill more
40:59And more quickly
41:00One person only
41:02In other words, I
41:02In my opinion
41:03Alqueda is not a
41:05It is not a fighting army
41:06He is not capable of facing a fight
41:09To an army
41:10To an army
41:11And that's where he'll lose.
41:12But it is indeed capable of killing
41:14And do a lot of damage
41:15And Europe
41:17The West is not prepared
41:18To endure that damage without surrendering
41:20I want to remember here
41:22Churchill's philosophy
41:24What he gave to Londoners
41:26To the English in general
41:28From Great Britain
41:29When the Germans started pounding London
41:31So
41:32He changed the philosophy
41:34The Dutch surrender
41:36The French
41:36Everyone was giving up
41:38Because they fell
41:39And then Churchill said
41:40Here I only offer you
41:41Blood, sweat, and tears
41:43But we are capable of sweating
41:45And to cry
41:46But to work
41:47We will win
41:47And they won
41:48And to continue bleeding
41:49Exact
41:50But they won because of that.
41:52Nobody
41:52It lacks a leader
41:53So that it says
41:54Hey
41:55We are going to die
41:55200,000
41:57One million
41:57But we will win
42:04One of the extraordinary things
42:05To direct and present this program
42:07For example
42:08Attending debates
42:09With these colleagues
42:10Companions
42:10Each from their own sphere
42:11And each one
42:12Which is also a mystery
42:13Not because it's Cuarto Milenio.
42:15Speaking in complete freedom
42:17We'll leave it at that.
42:18From that balance
42:18Between personal freedoms
42:20And that terrorism
42:21Unlike anything you've ever known
42:22These are certainly times.
42:24Dark times
42:24But we don't want to either
42:26To scare more than necessary
42:27Although they do provide data
42:28That in almost no place
42:30And around
42:31They are given
42:31I don't know why
42:32It has been a real pleasure
42:33Really
42:34For everyone
42:35Luis Álvarez
42:36Fernando Rueda
42:36Fernando San Agustín
42:37Eric Fratini
42:38Santiago Camacho
42:39As usual
42:39All one choice
42:40A masterful ensemble
42:42And we
42:42Me, certainly
42:43I hope the viewers
42:44Have enjoyed
42:45And they were also concerned
42:47Because that's how it is.
42:48The state of affairs
42:48Questions remain unanswered.
42:50Sure
42:50Another day
42:51We tried to solve them
42:52Thank you so much
42:53To all
42:54Of course
42:54Now let's look at some pictures.
42:55Images
42:55From the fourth millennium
43:08Look, Carmen
43:09And all viewers should take note.
43:10Guillermo León's analysis
43:12Which I'm reading right now
43:13Regarding the following photograph
43:14Obtained
43:15In a magical place
43:16By the way
43:16And mythical
43:17O cebreiro
43:17Clue
43:18From the Camino de Santiago
43:20Says
43:21Don Guillermo
43:22That rarely happens
43:23In the reenactments
43:24What does it do to make us visualize?
43:25In the final part
43:26And somehow
43:27Well
43:28Let's recreate what might resemble it
43:30Rarely
43:31In the thousands of photos
43:33Received in Cuarto Milenio
43:34In this fourth season already
43:36It fits so perfectly
43:37With the phenomenon
43:38A human face
43:39It fits in proportions
43:40So perfectly
43:40In the end
43:41Let's solve the enigma
43:42Let's go to Ocebreiro
43:43Ocebreiro
43:45In Lugo
43:46In Lugo
44:15We have a perfect intuition
44:17How is this eye?
44:19It would only be one
44:20The nose
44:20The mouth
44:21It would even have teeth.
44:23In recreation
44:24It depends on how you look at it.
44:25Because I, from here
44:25I see something else
44:26But of course
44:26It depends on the lights
44:27From the set
44:28But it's very curious
44:29Here we have it recreated
44:31We're going to expand it
44:33Look
44:35This would be
44:36The image of Guillermo León
44:37The one that has recreated us
44:39Setting the eyes
44:40The nose
44:41And the teeth
44:42And this would be
44:43The real image
44:45There we have the comparison
44:47As we see
44:48All of this
44:50It would fit perfectly
44:51With the skull
44:52That Guillermo
44:53He has recreated
44:54Just above
44:55But obviously
44:56It turns out to be a phenomenon
44:57Optical
44:58Perfectly explainable
44:59Although Guillermo says
45:01Be careful.
45:02Because if that's the case
45:03It fits perfectly.
45:04In a profile view
45:05A training
45:06What remains there
45:07In the mystery
45:08But of course
45:09There are always rascals too.
45:11That they try
45:12Send us some photos
45:13At least
45:14That's what he suspects.
45:14Our IT analyst
45:15From the following photograph
45:17Let's see it
45:18Obtained by Jorge Caballero Escribano
45:20Valdemoro
45:21Province of Madrid
45:22If you want to send us photographs
45:24What do they want us to analyze?
45:26If you want to send your videos
45:27As we have seen
45:28Previously
45:29With Gregorian chants
45:30You already know there are two ways
45:31Contact
45:32Through email
45:34Fourth Millennium
45:35@4.com
45:36And the post office box
45:3718.189
45:39With the postal code of Madrid
45:4028,080
45:42And their dreams too
45:43And their experiences
45:44They've already seen
45:45What we are trying to do
45:45Of all those topics
45:46As we have done
45:47Here tonight
45:48Well then
45:49This friend
45:50He told us
45:50A story
45:51A bit peculiar
45:52Here we see
45:53A meeting of friends
45:54TRUE?
45:55They take a photograph
45:56And then
45:57Everyone was very happy
45:58There it is
45:58But then he sends us
46:00A second image
46:01Let's see if we can find it.
46:03This image already
46:04It's something else.
46:05It's the photograph
46:06That have been done
46:07Inside the computer
46:08And several friends
46:10They're watching it
46:11And they realize
46:12That there is a phenomenon
46:14Quite strange
46:15To change quite a bit
46:16Let's see
46:18We're going to play
46:19On the screen
46:20From the computer
46:21To enlarge
46:22That image
46:24We move it
46:25We go in
46:25Almost on another screen
46:26That is
46:27And here we begin
46:28To intuit
46:29As a guest
46:30That he shouldn't be there
46:31TRUE?
46:32A species
46:32As if around here
46:33There would be a profile
46:34With a layer
46:34That he was covering
46:35To that whole group
46:37From friends
46:37We'll even see
46:39If we see it
46:39A bit better
46:41We're going to point her out.
46:43Look there
46:43Yes, yes, well
46:44There it is, perfectly
46:46There it is, perfectly
46:47So there's someone
46:49Although there, well
46:50I think that
46:51Well, that's surprising.
46:52No?
46:52Let's take a look now
46:53Carmen
46:54Let's see it
46:55We move a little more
46:56We drag
46:56And there, of course.
46:57There is a formation
46:58Like from one shoulder
46:58With a species
46:59From sallal
47:00No?
47:01Tunic
47:01Look, there it is.
47:02Yes, yes, yes
47:03Perfectly
47:03Perfectly
47:04TRUE?
47:04Well
47:05Well, this image
47:07There would be an explanation.
47:09And it's that every time
47:10The viewers
47:11They're making it harder for us.
47:12Above all
47:12To our analyst
47:13Because in this case
47:14The image is true
47:16That it is not fraudulent
47:17A person is seen
47:18Looking at the computer
47:20But what if the image
47:21From the computer
47:21Is that the fraudulent one?
47:22Man, because look at you
47:23He has even detected it
47:24And you're sure
47:25That too
47:25The cut
47:26Sure, just by expanding
47:27A lot on this screen
47:28We can see
47:28That the cut
47:29The pixelation
47:30He practically gets involved
47:31Inside the head
47:32About that girl
47:32And it's impossible.
47:34That is to say
47:34It's manipulation.
47:35It's perfectly fine.
47:36Integrated
47:37That strange visitor
47:38That they made us believe
47:39That had appeared
47:41Behind these friends
47:42But it would be a minor adjustment.
47:43Photographic
47:44What they are contemplating
47:45They on the screen
47:46From the computer
47:47It's a scam
47:48Well, maybe
47:49Keep the party going!
47:50Looking at the analysis now
47:51But this too
47:52That's reality
47:52Many people
47:53He does his things.
47:53There is much less fraud.
47:55The one people think
47:55Approximately 10%
47:57But there is also
47:58A sample
47:59Today there has been
48:00A couple of photos
48:01Difficult to explain
48:01And one that we have solved
48:03By the way
48:04That has also been resolved
48:05It's a story
48:07One of the strangest
48:08Occurred in Spain
48:09In the last 15 years
48:10A story
48:11To which we dedicate
48:12A report
48:14I think a report
48:15Absolutely spotless
48:16Where the police were speaking
48:17The forensic experts
48:18The journalists
48:19And it was the journalists.
48:20From the Galician post office
48:21That really started
48:22The investigation
48:23And the mystery
48:23In 1988
48:24And also those from the voice of Galicia
48:26Those who have named
48:28Identity
48:28What we call
48:29Nameless Walker
48:30The walker of Boisaca
48:32A boy hit by a car
48:33On the train tracks
48:33A well-known case
48:35From which they have made
48:36About 20 reports in Spain
48:37We have done
48:38One of them
48:39And I think we were
48:40Absolutely truthful
48:41Now then
48:43That's true
48:44I have to tell him
48:45I think that still
48:46There are still
48:46A great mystery
48:47But at the moment
48:49That boy
48:50It already has a name.
48:51And surnames
48:51We must respect
48:52The family's wish
48:54Let no more be said
48:55We understand that desire
48:57And as journalists
48:59Above
48:59We are people
49:00Of course
49:00We will respect
49:01That silence
49:02This case therefore
49:03It has happened
49:03Of the secret
49:0520 years old
49:05In the police files
49:07And now
49:07Well, the family silence
49:09Which is logical
49:10Understandable
49:10It will take over
49:12From this story
49:12And we stayed too
49:14With the feeling
49:14I'm telling you this very sincerely.
49:16I am convinced of it
49:18That the work
49:19From the fourth millennium
49:20The dissemination
49:21In this case
49:21Back then
49:22How did they do it?
49:23Other colleagues
49:24It has served
49:24So that we don't forget
49:26We count
49:27Many things
49:28Without knowing what they are
49:29Simply
49:30So that we don't forget
49:32Hopefully
49:33Many more will be resolved.
49:34I hope the same thing happens
49:35With a happier ending
49:37Of course
49:37With cases like
49:38The one about the child painter from Malaga
49:39Or the child from Somosierra
49:40There's always a space here
49:42For the debate
49:42A space
49:43To learn new things
49:45And sometimes, like tonight
49:46Enough to make you a little nervous
49:47Until next time
49:48Here in the mystery ship
49:49I'll be waiting for you.
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