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Willard and Dibs debate if Nick Bosa's calf injury spoils the 49ers injury.
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00:00all right matt and san jose uh first up hey matt thanks for calling what you got
00:06how you guys doing man we're good
00:10so look i'm gonna i'm gonna come down 95 sevens road a little bit just a little bit
00:15because monday i tapped in on monday and we were ecstatic niners are great because they have a
00:22great quarterback they have a great quarterback and a great coach and that combination is so hard
00:26to find in the nfl that the niners have they have an abundance of riches just with the quarterback
00:33and the coach and we're sitting here looking at like hey it's a little early to be super excited
00:37so if it's a little early to be super excited then it's a little early to be super freaked out
00:42we
00:42already know bosa's coming back as most of the beeline men are most of the receivers aren't
00:47this is half the time to get hot anyway it's fool's goal to be red hot in september get hot
00:52in after
00:53thanksgiving get hot in december and then when you get into the tournament is your quarterback
00:57healthy is your best pass rusher healthy is fred warner healthy is trent williams healthy i don't
01:04care what their health is in september and october what do they look like in december that's what's
01:09going to determine who wins it all hey i would just defend this by saying we're not freaking out
01:14do we sound that way matt it's it's less you too it's more just the fact that the entirety of
01:21the
01:21conversation throughout the day is nick bosa's injury and we know he's coming back like okay
01:26he's hurt he's gonna miss a few games i'm bummed out about the seattle thing more than anything else
01:30that's like the biggest bummer nick bosa is gonna miss seattle other than that all right we'll see
01:35him when we see him and you know what if it has to be like oh nick bosa got hurt
01:40niners are never
01:40gonna make the playoffs never gonna win the super bowl cuckooch well then count me as the one that's
01:45gonna fade that line i that's a great uh cap right there i i would say this yeah matt matt
01:52is spot on
01:54um the only way i would sort of then you know if we're playing tennis the ball that i would
02:00hit back
02:00to to you matt is that's what's new today this broke while the morning show was on the air
02:07this is clearly going to be the front of mind for a 49er fan right now and it's not just
02:14any
02:15injury it's nick it's nick bosa so this is um i would argue the first injury of the year that
02:23is
02:23happening to one of the really really big boys like the core six exactly so to speak so the guys
02:30they
02:30almost all lost last year i know trent and christian did not miss portions of last year but that's what
02:37made last year so crazy was it was brock and fred and george and nick the people who only need
02:45one
02:45first name that's exactly right when alfred collins goes out we got to use both sides of the name
02:50collins you know what i mean when sam okawano goes out we're at least using the last initial when it's
02:56james thompson jr you gotta make sure it's not the other james thompson you gotta have the junior but
03:00today nick nick nick went down and um and it's triggering because of nick's history so but but
03:10largely matt i'm with you like i'm with you that's why i've been saying all day this this to me
03:17is much
03:17more about a big picture long-term conversation that doesn't need to happen today but it's a big
03:25picture long concern for me that i don't necessarily feel in the moment the niner season did not get
03:33derailed today the sunday game didn't get derailed and i think that to your point about the bigger
03:38conversation we don't know what that conversation is or should be he could come back from this little
03:45setback with the calf and have 10 sacks on the ear he could come back and have a another thing
03:50happen
03:50or have this re-happen and it could be a situation where it's on again off again and you get
03:55to the
03:56end of the year and he played six games or the niners could do what they did last year which
04:00was continue
04:01to win while missing some of their top guys and i know it derailed them in the end but i
04:06think that's
04:06sort of what matt is is is saying like let's find out if nick bosa will play in playoff games
04:13this year
04:14if the niners were to get there um i likened this to steph curry in terms of the management of
04:21it and the
04:22lack of confidence in it was that 2022 when they gave him that month off indeed it was and and
04:27remind me
04:28what happened when he came back right before the playoffs i think he uh he talked to steinie and goo
04:33and that's why we knew he was coming back right and then he played pretty well and then what happened
04:37and then they won four straight series right they won a championship yeah so i mean that's that yes
04:45this this is not a nothing it's not a nothing at all let's not let's not say that but it
04:52is not
04:53you know sky is falling either i i don't think if i could offer you right now a playoff berth
04:59and you
05:00know no guarantee you're the one but you're at least the seven but you don't get to play nick bosa
05:05again
05:06until the playoff game can he play in the playoffs yeah he can be as healthy as he can possibly
05:11be
05:11by taking three months off okay i mean no promises because he's had three acls and oblique surgery and
05:17now he has a bad calf but if you could just bubble wrap him till that wild card weekend would
05:23you do it
05:24yeah i probably would it would be maybe you get to the one seed you know yeah but i mean
05:29in general
05:29so are you offering me though the one seed and he can't play in the playoffs i think i'd rather
05:34have
05:34the five seed and he can yeah or even the seven seed and he can you know we're week three
05:39anything
05:39any premise that you throw out there that offers me the playoffs i'm probably going to say yes
05:44like have a healthy respect for the nfc west good lord yep if they can get in the playoffs that's
05:50a yes
05:50that's a yes even with i know they've looked so good that now our minds are going bigger and i
05:57get that
05:57that's fair at the same time um the seahawks have had a pretty awesome start too they're two and oh
06:04without their quarterback and now he's back so um i am under no assumption that the 49ers are going
06:11to steamroll to an nfc west championship so if you offer me playoffs i'm in okay i mean it's just
06:16it's interesting because i think matt spelled it out perfectly you'd much rather have him and fred
06:21and those guys as healthy as possible then hoping that you can get into the playoffs without him but
06:26the spread didn't move in the sunday's game and you know denver is going to be a coin toss game
06:32i
06:32think anyway so it's up to the guys who fill in to make enough of an impact to where you
06:37don't miss
06:37him too much i just think there's an exercise too and this is just a suggestion so everybody gets to
06:43you know kind of go how they want to go week to week but it's just every tuesday
06:50the nfl world is a completely different animal and so you have to hope that um when we get to
06:58next
06:59tuesday your team is not one of the lead stories okay we went into we just go back to week
07:05two
07:06okay we left here on a friday and everybody's like the bears are gonna average 60 points a week
07:12and and and then and then we got back here on monday and we're like oh jayden daniels has one
07:19arm
07:20caleb williams has one leg um and you know i could go on and on and then and then and
07:28then we
07:28went to bed on monday and we came back here on tuesday and the giants didn't have a quarterback
07:32anymore so it's like i get it but this is going to be a whole damn there are going to
07:40be so many more
07:41twists and turns coming and and so what i tend to do when this stuff comes in is yeah look
07:49at this
07:49sort of as a four game schedule and the niners are going to have to do that four game schedule
07:55without
07:55nick after that we don't know even doc pandia's point of like yeah this is probably going to be a
08:01problem for the rest of his career that doesn't mean that he couldn't come back week nine and do
08:06half the season healthy and then you handle you handle the rest how you handle it you just never
08:13know you don't know with any player though and that's where you look at last year and the things
08:18that happened to the players like george kittle one of the first series of the year he popped the
08:23hammy just running down the field and things happen so bosa can come back and be healthy and something
08:28else could happen or he can come back and never be quite healthy in football it's always next man up
08:34i
08:34get that and the problem right now is you are down so many defensive linemen kyle said you started with
08:3910 and i think he includes michael williams in that people who made the roster and of those 10 you
08:44have
08:44four left right now and you're two weeks in no he said he's never seen anything like it it's brutal
08:49yeah
08:49like nobody's trying to tell you it's not brutal it's brutal but let's answer this one before we go
08:55back to the phones john hang right where you are 925 you got to win games in september and october
09:01to make
09:01the playoffs though idky it's so hard for people to wrap their minds around the concept that a win
09:07is worth the same in september as a win in december i don't disagree with you do you now think
09:12they're
09:12going to lose on sunday i don't vegas doesn't right the spread did not budge yeah so like the conversation
09:20we're having right now is not the niners are not allowed to win a game without nick bosa if you're
09:26a
09:26fan and you feel that way i would argue that you have um a a uh what was the name
09:33of the fish
09:33the the the orange and white was her name dory was she dory yeah was she got no memory right
09:39nemo
09:39she got no memory you have no memory if you think the niners can't win without a good player they
09:44did
09:44it all year last year so the niners can win this weekend i expect them to after that sure the
09:53games
09:53for a couple of weeks are going to get a little tougher you're going to have to beat good teams
09:56they've already done that this year too but i don't i just i don't think this derails the next month
10:02and it certainly doesn't derail the entire season um your point is fair you all of the weeks matter in
10:10the nfl but i still think the 49ers as we sit here today are a playoff team and and that's
10:16why the
10:17conversation comes up of okay who who do you have available when you get to the playoffs final four
10:24teams last year four of the five healthiest teams in the nfl and as much as it's laughable to think
10:30about it this way the niners have not removed themselves from that conversation yet for the
10:36end of the year in terms of the memory and i think that if you think the season's lost with
10:41no bosa
10:41you're not realizing what happened last year where they went 10 and 5 in the regular season and 1 and
10:471 in the playoffs so 11 and 6 after nick bosa got hurt so was it harder to rush the
10:53passer yes but
10:54teams adjust my brother always says when we're golfing together and i'm struggling four or five holes
11:00he'll say athletes adjust daniel and in this case football teams adjust they call you daniel
11:06occasionally oh my it's my name i know it is my brother douglas the uni brother always calls me
11:11daniel exclusively that is excessive no it reminds me of my mom who would call me daniel okay especially
11:18when the water is getting hot well sure you know i mean moms are allowed to do whatever they want
11:23right but and my dad would call me gd daniel oh daniel what what i do so not gpd no
11:34just i'm gonna pick
11:35them up gd grandpa daddy yeah that's just yeah gpd anyhow 10 and 5 without bosa last year
11:42athletes adjust teams adjust i don't think they're gonna suddenly go to a 3-4 they're gonna keep doing
11:48the same scheme but with their personnel they're gonna have to do things a little bit in more
11:53tricky fashion maybe that guy diomino lenore we talked to him yesterday about maybe a cat blitz like
11:59a cat i mean what if i said this is this fair today
12:03if y'all woke up today and you're like the niners are really good the niners are off to a
12:08great start
12:08i've got the niners number two in my power ranking if you're saying any of these things
12:14and then you think that all goes away
12:18because one guy got hurt for a month then you didn't actually think they were that good of a team
12:23that's fair this is a team this sucks it sucks but come on come on come on people seriously it's
12:35like
12:35you you didn't think they were that good if if one calf come on people
12:42suddenly makes you think they're not good so i still think it's a good football team
12:47absolutely and if you look at just the offensive part of it so you lose demarcus robinson and that's
12:53less than ideal but you've got other receivers maybe it's cowing you still have mike evans who's
12:59phenomenal your tight ends getting healthier your offense and we'll get into this later when we do
13:04pick 10 as it makes its triumphant return which team will score 30 or more points i got my eye
13:09on you
13:1049ers because i don't think that most defenses seattle obviously the exception but defense is gonna have a
13:17hard time stopping this offense uh john in the city hi john thanks for calling
13:23thanks for taking my call guys uh matt had a great uh statement about uh thought about what's going on
13:28the first month of the season uh thought was going on then this season but we got to make it
13:33there
13:33uh this is the first trump dominant or drop um mosa with his calf you really think that he's gonna
13:40be
13:40back in four weeks i mean after all his injuries i don't think that he's gonna come back in four
13:46weeks
13:46i think it's gonna be a long process and like you said hopefully we get back from the playoffs if
13:49we
13:50make it there we need to stay healthy and if we don't stay healthy it's gonna be a big problem
13:54in
13:54the long run and second of all i don't think bozo will be back next year with the niners because
14:00he has a big cap hit 55 million dollars and if you can't stay healthy it's it's not going to
14:05work
14:05what barkley says uh what's i say availability is the best ability thanks for the call okay john thank you
14:13um i i agree with with all of that except for the one thing that that i want to point
14:19out when he
14:20says you know do you really think he's going to be back in four weeks i think that this is
14:24going to
14:24be a long process i got no idea if you were and i'm just thinking as he said that like
14:31if we made a
14:31bet and we don't have to make an actual bet but uh before the buy or after the buy well
14:37that's an
14:37interesting one because the buy is what five more games before they've got the buy yes is that right
14:42including this one so that's kind of almost like what if he is ready after missing four games
14:48but then you look at the schedule and dude who knows what if you're six and one you know what
14:56i
14:56mean and atlanta has a uh like a field turf i think it's not grass got a turf surface and
15:01you're going
15:02man we could probably just i just buy one more yeah i'd probably bet the over you bet the after
15:07the
15:08buy i'd probably bet the over but only because of the presence of the buy but i don't i don't
15:12think
15:12this automatically lingers just because it's nick bosa i think all things with nick bosa's body
15:18linger because it's nick bosa calves are tricky the calves are tricky is that done levy um or is that
15:24like that was that was shanahan but you gave him the lake of trades are hard voice oh i'm so
15:31sorry
15:31yeah you went trap calves are tricky and you did it in the trade you did yeah trades are hard
15:36calves are tricky yeah whoa no my brain no calves are tricky is a different that's shanahan yeah okay
15:43my bad cross pollination sensation that's a buck and i'll pay it that's on me yeah so anyway
15:51i mean he said he said all of the guys who went out last week are kind of four weeks
15:57ish
15:58and and yeah all of them all of them could linger or be delicate with those calves or yeah or
16:04or be ready