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00:15The night you met Sophie Madsen, you said she was in a car with a man.
00:20Everything all right?
00:21I'm just driving her home, officer.
00:23I haven't told you about the group chat, the messages they shared about women,
00:26the crime scene pictures, jokes about rape.
00:30That sound.
00:31I've got no idea what it is.
00:33It's a police radio.
00:35Sophie Madsen was with a police officer when she was killed.
00:38The papers in her bag, what were they?
00:40I don't know.
00:41Grabbed them before I could see.
00:43Maybe it was evidence, something she was going to show Tom.
00:46Something maybe she might have...
00:48Print it out.
00:50Do you ever think the jokes at Wakestead go too far?
00:52The women here at Wakestead are part of my team, the same as the Lance.
00:56You want to know where I draw the line?
00:57It's around my team.
00:59Why'd you leave?
01:00Sometimes you just know when it's time to move on.
01:03I came in to file a report about domestic abuse.
01:05A few weeks later, someone sent me a message.
01:08I went to a police station because a guy hit me.
01:10And then a few weeks later, I get a message from someone claiming to be a detective.
01:14We were supposed to meet at a bar.
01:16I don't remember what happened after that.
01:18Anonymous call says there's something on this property related to Sophie Madsen's murder.
01:23That's something.
01:23One of the pictures that Sophie had is of Amber Dodds.
01:27Amber Dodds was raped and killed by someone at Wakestead.
01:31I put an innocent man in prison.
01:45Hey guys, get ready with me.
01:47Ice skating competition edition.
01:50Ice skating is a sport.
01:51So, it doesn't make up to mean and sexualise athletes.
01:56And to that I say.
02:04Morning.
02:04Morning, my little superstar.
02:07Ha ha.
02:08What?
02:08Don't be nervous.
02:09You always do well.
02:10Unless me being nervous is part of what I do well.
02:12Like it's my process.
02:14Hmm.
02:14It's very deep.
02:18Thanks.
02:19Bye.
02:19See ya.
02:21Oh, Soph.
02:24You'll smash it.
02:25Thanks, Dad.
02:29Bye.
02:36Bye.
02:39Bye.
02:45Bye.
02:46Oh, my God.
03:24That double was a stretch. We both knew that.
03:26Yeah, well, I've landed it in practice.
03:27Not consistently. We'll keep working on it, all right? We'll get you there.
03:31Yeah, and what if I don't get there?
03:32I will get you there, all right? I'll make it my personal mission.
03:38Mum and Dad here.
03:39Uh, Mum had to work, so Dad's going to come pick me up.
03:42Give me a ring. Tell him I don't mind driving you home.
03:45Okay.
04:16I don't mind driving you home.
04:19I don't mind driving you home.
04:24I don't mind driving you home.
04:26I don't mind driving you home.
04:29I don't mind driving you home.
04:31I don't mind driving you home.
04:34I don't mind driving you home.
04:35I don't mind driving you home.
04:36I don't mind driving you home.
04:36I don't mind driving you home.
04:36I don't mind driving you home.
04:38I don't mind driving you home.
04:39I don't mind driving you home.
04:40I don't mind driving you home.
04:42I don't mind driving you home.
04:50Sophie, what is going on?
04:52Sophie!
04:54Where are you going?
05:00Okay, what the actual fact?
05:01I told my mum I wanted to be left alone.
05:03Yeah, I know, and she told me the same.
05:10Hey.
05:11Hey, hey, hey, hey.
05:14Sophie, please, just tell me what's happened.
05:19Coach Fraser fancies me.
05:23What?
05:26He touched me in his car after the competition.
05:29It was so fucked up.
05:31Well, I told him no, obviously.
05:33I mean, I'm 16, but then he drove me home
05:36and he told me I shouldn't be on the team anymore.
05:38Like, I don't know what to do.
05:40Like, am I just supposed to not skate?
05:41Oh, come here, come here.
05:44I'm so sorry.
05:47I'm so sorry, Sophie.
05:49It's not your fault, Clout.
05:50No.
05:53No, and it's not your fault either, okay?
05:55Okay, Sophie, you need to tell someone.
06:08I'll see you.
06:30Oh, oh, oh, oh, sorry, sorry.
06:32You all right?
06:33Uh, yeah.
06:34You sure?
06:35Yeah.
06:36Okay, well, if you need anything, I'm happy to help.
06:38We're always here if you need us.
06:40All right?
06:40Just turn it off.
06:41I've got to go.
06:44Have you told your parents what happened?
06:46No, they'd kill me for going to the police.
06:48Start talking to them first.
06:50No.
06:51No.
06:52I don't know.
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12:28Tom Bradley.
12:29I don't know.
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14:47So, you told the IOPC that the interview between your detectives and Sophie Madston never happened.
14:54Is that correct?
14:54Yes, ma'am.
14:57Walk me through why exactly you thought that was wise.
15:00Well, my lads aren't the sort.
15:02Of course they are.
15:03The interview surely happened.
15:04The recording surely exists.
15:07Rumors that specific always come from somewhere, don't they?
15:10It's only a matter of time before it all comes to the surface.
15:13If you'd been smart, you'd have got out in front of it, protected yourself instead of your lads.
15:19But you're on record now.
15:20I believe them, ma'am.
15:22I thought I was doing the right thing, you know, standing up for my team.
15:26Even if there is an interview and even if it did get out, it's an isolated event.
15:31These things are never an isolated event.
15:35It could be handled.
15:36You never heard of a snowball, Ken.
15:40Because you might find yourself on the wrong side of one.
15:58Tom just called me.
15:59They just did a search on his grandad's property.
16:02Someone called in an anonymous tip.
16:04They found a mobile phone.
16:06The same meek and model as the one Sophie had on her in Dankworth Forest.
16:10But no-one else knows they're making a model of Sophie's mobile except for Waxfield Coppers.
16:14Which means someone from here must have planted it.
16:17And they'd be doing it to incriminate Tom?
16:20Well, that's the thing.
16:21It's not exactly incriminating, is it?
16:23I mean, what does it matter that two burners match?
16:25Yeah, it doesn't mean anything unless one called the other.
16:28Which they didn't, right?
16:30Right.
16:31So it's not a smoking gun.
16:34It just looks bad.
16:37Maybe that's the whole point.
16:40Finding the mobile is an excuse to drag Tom back in for questioning.
16:44It's not about charging him anymore.
16:46It's about making him look guilty in front of the cameras.
16:49Because the worse Tom looks, the less pressure there is for a proper investigation into Wakestead.
16:56If a Wakestead policeman bought that mobile, he'd have done that in the last few days.
17:01When the search team get back, we can try and find out who it was and turn the spotlight around.
17:07You okay to do that on your own?
17:09Yeah.
17:09Why?
17:10Remember that Marissa Andre came in originally about a guy who hit her at the brothel.
17:15Tom made a follow-up appointment with Sophie Madsen because she had more to say but she wasn't ready.
17:20He did the same thing with Marissa after she reported her rape, only she didn't turn up to the appointment.
17:25Well, maybe she had something more to say.
17:27Right.
17:28Maybe she'll say it to me.
17:49When you left the hospital, you told Tom that you didn't want to pursue the case.
17:53I looked at your file and Tom made a follow-up appointment with you.
17:56Yeah, he did, but I didn't show. I just wanted to forget the whole thing.
17:59Right, well, I know Tom.
18:00He must have been hoping that you'd talk about something.
18:03None of that matters now.
18:03Please, please, Marissa Andreessen.
18:05Do you remember if the man who attacked you took photos?
18:08If you can tell me anything about who this man is, then...
18:11Just think how important it is to stop this predator doing it again.
18:19He messaged me. Threatened me. My attacker.
18:22What, when you left the hospital?
18:23No.
18:24A few minutes ago.
18:29He knew that I'd spoken to you.
18:31He's someone you work with.
18:33And he's watching us both.
18:37Yeah.
18:49Yeah.
18:50Yeah.
18:52Yeah.
18:53Yeah.
18:55Yeah.
18:56What was everyone doing?
18:59How'd you know we were doing anything?
19:01Because I'm assuming you didn't just take the entire search team out to launch.
19:05Mm-hmm.
19:06Mm-hmm.
19:07Mm-hmm.
19:09We got an anonymous call about another property where Tom's staying.
19:14Tom has another property?
19:15It's his granddad's.
19:17Still, we had to search it.
19:20And?
19:23we found a burner phone same make and model as the burner found on sophie madsen in dankworth forest
19:32i don't get it but what does that prove maybe nothing but it looks fucking dodgy
19:39well have you entered it into the system the information on the mobile why well i could use
19:45the ii mei number and you know call the manufacturer find out which shop carried it check the cctv you
19:52know see who bought it sure it was tom yeah yeah yeah i'm sure it was
20:20so
21:07Yeah?
21:15Do you need help?
21:18I would like to help, if I can.
21:26Yeah.
21:31Just sorting through there.
21:33The morning footage I'll give you the evening.
21:38Yeah.
21:42So the phone's on that cabinet there.
21:43Mm-hm.
21:44If someone buys from it, tell me.
21:46Yes, sir.
21:53I know I don't act like it, but...
21:56I am sorry.
22:00This all started with me.
22:04I just can't...
22:07You know, say that.
22:11Why not?
22:14It's just not how the others act, I guess.
22:18I just do what they do.
22:22They talk me into all sorts of stuff.
22:25Like what?
22:26Hang on.
22:28I know him.
22:29That's Cheeky Pete.
22:30He's homeless.
22:33He sleeps around town, but why is he buying that phone?
22:38Because someone paid him to do it.
22:41To avoid being on CCTV themselves.
22:44Something a copper would think to do.
22:49Sorry, sir.
22:57I don't know.
23:09I know.
23:12I don't know.
23:16I don't know.
23:17It's crazy.
23:19It's crazy.
23:20But you're sure it was a police officer or a detective?
23:23That's what you said.
23:24It was India, I think.
23:25Well, like Pakistani, if that helps.
23:28Wait a sec.
23:35Is that him?
23:37Yeah, that's him.
23:38He paid me to buy the mobile.
23:40Was really specific about the make and model.
23:44Yeah, who is it?
23:45His name's Kapil Manik.
23:47He came in to talk to the IOPC after Tom was arrested.
23:51He's Tom's old partner.
24:15Thanks, Tony.
24:24Dad.
24:28Hi.
24:37It's going to be all right, son.
24:39Someone at Wake's did plant that mobile.
24:41No one else would have the motivation or the knowledge.
24:43If we can prove that it was planted, then we have a solid case for police harassment.
24:47There you go.
24:47You see?
24:48Everything could turn around for us.
24:50Things would be cleared up quickly.
24:54I'm going to give you two a moment.
25:06Didn't want you here.
25:07I know that you don't want me seeing you like this.
25:11That's not the reason.
25:12But just think about what she said.
25:14They don't have a case.
25:15You could sue them for harassment.
25:17This is going to be fine.
25:18See, that is the reason right there, Dad.
25:21Don't...
25:21It's her job to be positive, Dad.
25:23That is what they do.
25:24You can't...
25:25Nothing is going to be fine again.
25:27I didn't want to have to walk you through that, Dad.
25:30Not today.
25:31I've been arrested in connection with the murder of a pretty white 16-year-old girl.
25:36And I've been dragged in here twice now in front of the cameras.
25:39It doesn't matter whether I get charged.
25:41I want to talk you through your interview with Tom today.
25:45Because I need you to ask hard questions.
25:48And I'm not convinced he hasn't got in your head.
25:51No one's in my head, sir.
25:52Are you sure?
25:53Because all I hear about is how someone else here at Wagestead is responsible for Sophie Madsen's murder.
25:58I don't hear anything about investigating Tom.
26:01Because there's no evidence to follow.
26:03So, do I just imagine that mobile phone we found?
26:05Right, we both know that's not actual evidence.
26:08Feels like actual evidence.
26:09No, you just want it to...
26:12Not going to finish that?
26:16All right, Emma, I'll bite.
26:17If it's not Tom who killed Sophie Madsen, then who's the bad guy here at Wagestead?
26:24Is it me?
26:26Because before the pub, I was at marriage guidance counselling on the afternoon that Sophie died.
26:33Would you like the number of my therapist so you can verify my alibi?
26:36She can fill you in on all the depressing details about how my personal life has fallen apart.
26:49I don't believe what Tom is saying about my department because I know my team.
26:53There's some joking around and maybe, you know, sometimes it's a bit off colour.
26:57Maybe it goes a little bit too far every now and again.
26:59But nobody's bad.
27:03So even if this supposed interview with Sophie Madsen is real,
27:07even if she was planning on talking to somebody about it,
27:09you don't kill someone over something like that.
27:18No.
27:20You kill someone over something like this.
27:36What am I looking at here?
27:37That's Casey Denson.
27:38That's Marissa Andre.
27:40Both women filed complaints for assault at Wagestead.
27:43Both got turned away without any help.
27:44Both say that a Wagestead police officer who knew intimate details about their case
27:50later messaged under the guise of offering help.
27:53He later drugged and raped them.
27:57These are his trophy shots.
28:02How do we know it was a Wagestead police officer?
28:05Maybe it was something these women just made up.
28:08Sir, their accounts line up perfectly.
28:11These women, they don't even know each other.
28:16What do these pictures have to do with Sophie Madsen?
28:18They came from her printer.
28:20We think she had them with her the day she died.
28:22Her ex-boyfriend, Theo Asaro, can testify that Sophie's intent was to find a detective
28:27at the Street Safe event on Mount Grove Square.
28:30She wanted to blow the whistle on whoever this man was.
28:33That's why she wanted to talk to Tom.
28:36There were dozens of Wagestead sergeants, detectives, PCs at that event.
28:41Any one of them could have seen Sophie get in Tom's car.
28:44Any one of them would have a clear motivation to kill her.
28:59I'll interview Tom myself.
29:03Sir.
29:14I'd like to start by reminding you of your rights.
29:17You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence.
29:21If you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court,
29:25anything you do say may be given an evidence.
29:27Do you understand?
29:28I do.
29:33Why did you lie about knowing Sophie?
29:38No warm-up questions.
29:39No.
29:41Because you always taught us to start...
29:42Oh, I taught you a lot of things, but most of them you've ignored.
29:47That's what you don't like about me, right?
29:50You think I don't respect you.
29:52Tom, I wouldn't advise any person...
29:54I don't respect you, I mean.
29:58I can say that now.
29:59I guess that's the upside of losing your job.
30:04I didn't know Sophie Madsen.
30:06I had a single interaction with her on the day she died.
30:08I kept it hidden because I feared it would incriminate me.
30:12You were a detective.
30:14I was a detective.
30:15So you'd know that if you weren't in the forest with Sophie Madsen,
30:18it'd be pretty easy for you to prove it?
30:20Well, I knew there would be questions, and even if I could answer them...
30:22It would ruin your reputation, that's true.
30:25And that's not something you can easily repair, is it?
30:35Well, I knew there'd be no point.
30:36In what? Telling the truth?
30:37In telling you what Sophie told me about Wagstead.
30:41You'd just cover it up.
30:45You don't give me much credit, do you?
30:47Well, you don't give me much reason to.
30:50Did you ask her out?
30:53Who?
30:53Did you ask Sophie Madsen out on a date?
30:55She's a child.
30:56Because you do consider yourself a bit of a ladies' man, don't you?
30:59Why? You're looking for tips.
31:00Let's not go down this road.
31:01Any woman I've ever dated is age-appropriate.
31:04Sophie Madsen was 16 years old.
31:05It would have been morally repugnant for me to express romantic interest in her.
31:12Did she say no?
31:13Jesus Christ.
31:14Because you wouldn't have liked that, would you?
31:15Because you used to get your own way with women.
31:18Did it make you angry when she rejected you?
31:20Listen, Tom, you don't have to answer.
31:23You need it to be me, don't you?
31:26Because I'm not one of the boys.
31:28I'm not an extension of you.
31:30I do my job.
31:31I close my cases.
31:32I file my paperwork.
31:33But I don't laugh at your jokes.
31:35I don't care about your stories and I don't take my social cues from you.
31:39So if it's me who's done this, then you're not responsible, right?
31:43You have to twist things, don't you, Tom?
31:44But you are responsible for everything that happens in this police station and you know it.
31:48Sophie Madsen came to me.
31:50She told me about all the problems at this police station.
31:52Problems that you have known about for years.
32:05I am terminating this interview at 5.14.
32:10That's it, we're done.
32:11Press find out about that group chat, yeah.
32:13There is no group chat.
32:14I hope that doesn't get out because that'd be so bad.
32:17I don't think you'd handle that well.
32:18See, men of a certain age, they're fragile, aren't they?
32:21They can't hear they've made mistakes.
32:23Because they don't have the one thing needed to make things right.
32:27Time.
32:27Fuck you, Tom.
32:28So I delete that chat just to be safe.
32:30And you could do that, couldn't you?
32:32Because I'm guessing you're group admin.
32:35You're talking out your ass.
32:37Well...
32:37Why can't you be so sure?
32:38Because you're not fucking in it!
33:13How does Kapil fit into all this?
33:17I've been thinking it through.
33:22Kapil was here at the station after Tom was arrested.
33:25He could have easily heard someone talk about the make and model of Sophie's burner phone.
33:28He could have made the anonymous call himself and triggered the search.
33:32Right, here's a thing that I don't get.
33:35Why do it?
33:38What's Kapil got against Tom?
33:40I mean, he doesn't know that we know, right?
33:42No.
33:43But we can catch him off guard tomorrow, when we interview him.
33:46Okay.
33:54You never worked a case where a kid's died.
34:06It's Walker.
34:09What does he want?
34:13To talk.
34:24Kat.
34:25Hey.
34:27Can I ask you something?
34:29Yeah?
34:31Kapil Manik.
34:32Tom Radley's former partner.
34:34What about him?
34:36Well, he was here before me.
34:38Before Emma too, so we don't know him.
34:42Did he have something against Tom?
34:45Not Tom.
34:46No.
34:48But someone else?
34:50Look, I'm probably not the one to ask about that kind of stuff.
34:53Just a uniform.
35:09I'm just a uniform.
35:24So, Kapil Manik planted the mobile?
35:27Well, yeah.
35:29I guess he just wanted Tom to look bad, or maybe they didn't get along or something.
35:35What are you asking, mate?
35:37Well, the whole thing just feels so weird.
35:40Oh, they got along fine.
35:41What's it matter anyway?
35:42He's still fucking guilty.
35:44I'm going to talk to Kapil tomorrow morning.
35:46I just wanted to be prepared.
35:47That's all.
35:50What was he like?
35:54Was he a good detective?
35:58He was an uppity little fuck.
35:59It's what he was.
36:18Is someone from my department really behind this?
36:22Yeah.
36:23And you think they killed the Madsen girl?
36:27Yes.
36:31It's not Tom, it's one of mine.
36:40I should have known, I should have sensed someone like this.
36:45I should have stopped them.
36:51What do you need?
36:57Marissa showed me a message she received today from her attacker.
37:02Threatening her to keep quiet.
37:04So I've got his number, been calling it, no answer, no voicemail, haven't got a name,
37:09and nothing's coming up on the crime management system.
37:11What about wasted HR?
37:13No records of his phone number.
37:14But I do have his network provider, and I have filed for a reverse subscriber search.
37:19Oh, it'll take days for that request in my process.
37:21Sir, we haven't got days.
37:24But I know he's on your group chat.
37:27I'm sure he is.
37:28He could be looking at messages for victims.
37:32I need you to show me it.
37:36Huh.
37:36So, Bill thinks, he's a better couple than the rest of them.
37:37Oh, man!
37:37Yeah.
37:37He's here, chances to have been the best.
37:38Yeah, man.
37:40Yeah.
37:41Yeah.
38:01So, Waldo thinks he's a better couple than the rest of them.
38:03of us right that this whole air of superiority about it like like he thought he was what he was
38:09meant to do but then it turns out mr high and mighty he can't function around a woman properly
38:16awkward i couldn't even take a fucking statement so we started joking he was a virgin
38:23it's your fucking mate probably you just couldn't take a joke
38:43i mean tom never teased him he never stopped it either do you remember that time
38:59oh
39:24is
39:26the number you're after on the threat
39:27not yet
39:29i know where you've been
39:39it's all been a pack of lies
40:10i can feel it
40:12oh
40:34that's right domestic violence victims love it that's why they are repeat victims more often
40:58now
40:59sorry do you need a minute
41:04Because I can wait.
41:14Did you finger her to see if she was okay?
41:16I considered it.
41:17Well, she was a bright old blunt, so I just raped her.
41:26It's not harassment if they say yes.
41:28Remember lads, 50 no's and one yes, it's still a yes.
41:31Would you do her for a taste?
41:32Chubby cop with glasses.
41:34She's a fucking tart.
41:35She was a bright old blunt.
41:37Can't intervene straight back.
41:38It's still a yes.
41:39Probably asking for it anyway.
41:44I know he's on this thread, but not on this number.
41:49The reverse subscriber search will give us what we need.
41:51We just need to wait.
41:53No, we don't.
41:54There's another way.
42:05Look, it's the bit like the back of his locker.
42:08You were such great.
42:13What the fuck is wrong with you?
42:15What did you say?
42:16It probably does bear repeating.
42:18What the fuck is wrong with you?
42:20You might want to watch it there, mate.
42:21Really?
42:22Really.
42:22Ooh, because I might make you angry.
42:24You might already have.
42:27I'm not too worried about making you angry.
42:29Why not?
42:31Quick question.
42:33Kapil, did he ever push back?
42:34Against who?
42:35You two.
42:37Kapil wasn't a fighter.
42:38I think he was a fucking pacifist or some shit.
42:43Well, that makes sense.
42:47What makes sense?
42:48Well, you two never pick on anyone who might give you trouble, right?
42:51You prefer pacifists.
42:55Battered women.
42:5916-year-old girls.
43:05Yeah, I'm not too worried about making you angry because something tells me I'll be fine.
43:23What?
43:24Oh, shit!
43:25What?
43:26What?
43:28Oh, my God!
43:29What?
43:30Oh, shit!
43:33Oh, shit!
43:41What?
43:42What?
43:43What?
43:54Get me, stop it!
43:56Get me, stop it!
44:18I don't know.
44:47I don't know.
45:15Emma.
45:17Look, I'm so sorry to just turn up like this, but I really need your help.
45:23Now?
45:24Yeah, now.
45:28Sophie.
45:29I'm so glad you came.
45:32I almost didn't.
45:36But you'll help me, right?
45:37Of course I will.
45:39Come on in.
45:57I'm so glad you came.
46:31I'm so glad you came.
46:43Transcription by CastingWords
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