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00:00Am I loud enough? I don't know what's going on with this every day.
00:03Sounds normal to me, but...
00:04Good, good.
00:07Not just texting, spoke with Sneaky Joe today.
00:10Spoke? On the phone?
00:12Until his daughter woke up and then he had to go.
00:14You can still do that? Alright.
00:15I called him.
00:16Wow, what a step.
00:18I feel like this is a turning point in my life in a bad direction.
00:22Oh, great.
00:23Not talking to Joe, or even calling him, not even that.
00:26But he sent me spinning on a Bills trivia question today.
00:31And, you know, usually, if I'm not right, I'm close.
00:36Today, I'm all over the road.
00:38And I'm giving him answers, and it's a question about a certain number of teams, not players.
00:44When it's players, there are, what, literally thousands of players who could be right?
00:49Teams, it's only 32.
00:51And I got in the car to come here, and I had to call him, like,
00:54just, Joe, just tell me.
00:58You want this?
01:00If it drove you to the point where you actually dialed a phone.
01:05Well, thank you.
01:06That's a compliment.
01:07That's a compliment in there.
01:08Or you press some buttons.
01:09There's no, you know, whatever.
01:11You said call Joe to your phone, and you called Joe.
01:13No, I should.
01:14You know what I do?
01:16I was parked in my driveway.
01:18I scroll down to find, which wasn't far because of this whole thing, down to find the last text with
01:24Joe, and then I push that little phone icon.
01:27Sure, right.
01:27I never talk to my phone like that.
01:29Me either.
01:30But just, to me, what you did is the same thing.
01:35It's as efficient to me as talking to the phone.
01:37Okay.
01:38Because you need to articulate clearly so the phone doesn't get confused, and it takes about as long to do
01:42that for me as it would to, like, find the text message and go, call Joe.
01:47Okay.
01:48Press the button.
01:48Anyway.
01:49I just wanted to be clear.
01:50I feel like so far this is one good thing about starting at two, is that we're just kind of
01:54talking, like, about nonsense.
01:56And I feel like two is a better fit for that than three, even, or five.
01:59We're going to have a meeting at some point here.
02:01I just wanted to be clear that you weren't dialing the actual, like, 716.
02:04No, I don't know his number.
02:06Yeah, right.
02:06Who knows anything?
02:07Nobody knows.
02:08I don't know my own number.
02:08Well, yes, I do, because of, like, you have to type it in all the time.
02:13So, here it is.
02:15All right.
02:16I think this is where we ended up.
02:19Detroit.
02:21Here you go, football fans.
02:22Here comes something, at least.
02:25Detroit is one of eight teams, I think.
02:33I might have to adjust it, because this got very confusing for me.
02:35Okay.
02:36Detroit is one of eight teams that won a game, regular season, at the former stadium no more than once.
02:50A quarter of the league, in 53 years, won either zero games at the originally rich stadium, or won.
03:04And Detroit is one of them.
03:05It was in 1991.
03:07And it's memorable.
03:09The Bills had clinched everything.
03:11Oh, I know this game.
03:12The Bills had clinched everything.
03:14And Detroit needed it, because they were in a division race with Chicago.
03:18And it's like the only good year Detroit had from 1957 to two years ago.
03:26Like, they just, they had this incredible streak of not winning a playoff game.
03:3091 is the one year they did.
03:32They beat, they crushed Dallas in the divisional round.
03:35I think I know what, this is, the Bills rest, and Mike Ditka gets mad.
03:41The Bills rest their guys.
03:42Frank Reich plays.
03:43I don't know who else sits.
03:45Maybe Thurman.
03:46Detroit wins the game in overtime.
03:49And then Chicago might have had to play on the Monday night at San Francisco, which was, like, super unlucky
03:55that year.
03:56They were always great.
03:5690, they were going for a three-peat.
03:58They lose to Leonard Marshall and the Giants.
04:01And then 91, like, it sort of goes sideways, but they're still really good.
04:04And sort of, Ditka's looking at the board, like, oh, great, thanks.
04:07Thanks, Marv.
04:08Yeah, yeah.
04:09So Detroit wins in overtime.
04:11The Bears lose in San Francisco.
04:12And Detroit wins the division, beats the Cowboys.
04:15They end up losing to Washington, as everybody did that year.
04:19That's the only Lions win, regular season only, in the stadium.
04:25So 73 to 25.
04:28And there are maybe seven other teams that didn't do better.
04:32Want it?
04:34Didn't do better.
04:35Are there teams that never won?
04:36Yes, there are two.
04:37Why?
04:40There are two teams in the NFL that never won a game there.
04:49Got to be teams that hardly ever played there.
04:52And the team that always comes to mind when I think about that is Tampa.
04:54Correct.
04:55That's right.
04:56So Tampa is one of those that never won a game there.
04:59That's right.
05:00And they would not have played the Bills, you know, of course, prior to that stadium.
05:06They didn't even exist then.
05:07Right.
05:08So 0-4.
05:11Last year.
05:13Last year.
05:13Was that last year or the year before?
05:14Or both?
05:15Both.
05:15The night game two years ago and then last year the Sean Tucker game.
05:19Oh, that's right.
05:19Yeah, they were here two years in a row.
05:21Both, like the Hail Mary?
05:23Both were winnable, but they didn't win.
05:25Right.
05:25And it took them forever to come by.
05:27Like, they were just a rude friend that never would come to your house.
05:31How close was the O.J. Howard game?
05:33We were there, right?
05:34Yeah, right.
05:35What was that?
05:35In my head, because it's the O.J. Howard game.
05:39How close was the game on the scoreboard?
05:41How close was it?
05:41Oh, pretty close.
05:43That's a game when I, of course, like I already said, my mind went right to Tampa as potentially
05:50a team that never won there.
05:51And that's the game, because it's the O.J. Howard game, even though they didn't win.
05:55Like, usually that signifies, okay, it was close.
05:59How are all the Tampa games that the Bucs never won named for players on their team?
06:03Right.
06:03That's a little odd, I think.
06:05Sean Tucker had three touchdowns.
06:07He's maybe never done anything else.
06:09All the O.J. Howard did.
06:10We both liked him in college.
06:12This is the explanation of the O.J. Howard.
06:14He had a really nice catch and run against the Bills in that game, coming right at us
06:18at the tunnel end of the field.
06:20It was like, wow, look at this guy.
06:22I love this guy.
06:23He's a one-timer.
06:24Right?
06:24We had him on when the Bills signed him.
06:26He was a great guest.
06:26Yeah.
06:26He was a great guest.
06:27Immediately, the Bills texted me after that interview, like, loved it.
06:31Then I had to cut him.
06:32And he didn't make the team.
06:32He's never played again.
06:33Right.
06:34He had two touchdowns in that game.
06:36All right, so Tampa.
06:37All right.
06:39Boy.
06:40Detroit, Tampa, two of, I guess it's eight teams that won no more than one game in history
06:51in that stadium.
06:56So it almost feels to me like it has to be NFC teams.
07:00Because, like, every AFC team has been in there, you know, enough times that, you know,
07:06they probably won a game.
07:09I'm not sure that that's right.
07:11Or two.
07:12Right.
07:13But that's how that feels to me, sitting here right at this moment.
07:16I think you can include playoffs in all this, too.
07:19Wow.
07:20I mean, the NFC teams were never going to play a playoff game here.
07:22That would obviously be AFC teams then.
07:23Yeah.
07:23Right.
07:25There is one AFC team.
07:27Could the Arizona Cardinals be a team that won one or fewer games here?
07:32So Arizona, 0-5.
07:36Now, St. Louis.
07:37This is another little wrinkle in this.
07:39This is why I had to call Joe, I think.
07:42Like, one of many reasons.
07:43But St. Louis won here.
07:45The Cardinals.
07:46Yes.
07:46Okay.
07:47So they should probably be taken off the list.
07:49But Arizona, as Arizona, or even Phoenix, never did.
07:54That's the backward punt game.
07:56They're 0-4.
07:57They're on the list with Tampa.
07:59Okay.
07:59Right.
07:59As a team.
08:00Maybe St. Louis won once and they would count anyway.
08:03But Arizona, yes.
08:05Okay.
08:06Winless as Arizona or Phoenix.
08:10That's, Ross Tucker talks about that game in 04 when Emmitt Smith was on Arizona.
08:15It's that backward punt game that I was at in 90.
08:18It's Kyler Murray in the opener a couple years ago or last year.
08:23Whenever that was.
08:24When it gets more recent, I get in trouble.
08:27I'm so good on the 90s, 80s, 90s.
08:31But, you know, lately I think it's natural.
08:35That's what we tell ourselves.
08:37That's right.
08:37That's what I tell myself.
08:39That's right.
08:40That we have to have going for it.
08:41All right.
08:41Arizona, Tampa Bay, Detroit.
08:45Detroit.
08:48Teams that won no more than one game ever in the old place.
08:52There is one AFC team.
08:56Could, hmm, Carolina?
08:58Yes.
09:00One and five.
09:01Or one and four, actually.
09:02One and four.
09:03Okay.
09:04What's their win?
09:04There was a linebacker.
09:05It was like early drought.
09:08And it might have been 15-14 or some score like that.
09:11It was maybe a late game.
09:13And Carolina won.
09:15I don't think it was you and me yet.
09:16It might have been 2001.
09:17And there was a linebacker.
09:19There was a linebacker.
09:20Okay.
09:21That I'm thinking of.
09:23That did something for the Bills even though they lost?
09:26Maybe scored a touchdown?
09:27Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:28I can see.
09:32Oh, he was.
09:33It's a different game.
09:35Okay.
09:3613-9.
09:372005?
09:38So it is you and me.
09:39There are two games that I'm conflating.
09:44Whenever that name comes up, I'm going to be so mad.
09:48I feel like.
09:49Sean Nelson?
09:50No.
09:50Sean.
09:51No.
09:52James Jesperson.
09:54Sean Nelson was a tight end.
09:55That's right.
09:55Who got held up in the air in Baltimore by a bunch of Ravens in overtime and they eventually
10:01stripped him of the ball and the Ravens got the ball and won the game in OT.
10:04Yeah.
10:05Forward progress.
10:05Didn't apply.
10:06Sean Nelson.
10:06You want the name?
10:07Yeah, I do.
10:08Brandon Spoon.
10:08Yes!
10:09God!
10:10I had Brandon in my head, but I couldn't.
10:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:14Brandon Spoon.
10:15Carolina won one time here ever.
10:17That was in 2005.
10:19So, should I continue my parade through the NFC South and mention Atlanta here?
10:25Atlanta is incorrect.
10:26Okay.
10:27Well, I'm out.
10:28That's too bad.
10:31So, this is another thing that bothered me about what Joe did.
10:36You know, nothing personal.
10:38Is that Toronto games shouldn't count.
10:42Because Atlanta might have beat the Bills in Toronto.
10:44Mm-hmm.
10:45As did Seattle.
10:47As did Seattle.
10:49Atlanta won here in 2005.
10:52And in 13, that's Toronto.
10:56Then you'd have games like in 1980.
10:58I remember that game in 1980.
10:59So, Atlanta's old enough of a franchise to survive this.
11:01Right.
11:01It was a little risky to go there.
11:03Survive this.
11:03Yeah.
11:04All right.
11:05Carolina.
11:06Tampa Bay.
11:08Detroit.
11:09Arizona.
11:12Is Seattle a respectable choice?
11:13Seattle is right.
11:14Yeah.
11:15Okay.
11:16Seattle is right.
11:17Four visits.
11:19One win.
11:19They also beat the Bills in Toronto.
11:22Yeah.
11:22But they won here in 2001.
11:28Okay.
11:29Who would that have been?
11:30Rick Myra?
11:30Who would that have been?
11:31Seattle in 2001.
11:33That's not going to be right.
11:34I doubt he was still there.
11:35Because that's the 97 draft.
11:38And he probably, he wasn't good.
11:40So, there's no way he lasted four seasons.
11:43Hasselbeck.
11:44Okay.
11:46I have nothing on this game.
11:47I'm sure I was at it.
11:49Yeah.
11:502001 is really the desert.
11:54No question.
11:55So, what do we need?
11:56Three more teams still?
11:57You need...
11:58Four more?
12:00This one?
12:03This one and this one.
12:04Yeah.
12:04Three.
12:06Teams that won no more than one game ever at the old stadium.
12:11That'll mean the rock pile.
12:12I mean, the one they just took down.
12:17Carolina, Detroit, Seattle, Arizona, Tampa.
12:22Arizona only as, like, post-St. Louis.
12:25Those are all correct.
12:27One team is 1-4.
12:29One team is 1-3.
12:31One team is 0-7.
12:340-7.
12:35Right.
12:41It's Cle...
12:42No, no, no.
12:44Take it back.
12:44Cleveland?
12:45Yeah.
12:45No.
12:46No.
12:50The Derek Anderson game?
12:52Right.
12:5284 or 85, one of those years, Cleveland won here.
12:56That might not have been it.
12:57How's Tennessee?
12:58Wrong.
12:59Okay.
13:00So, Tennessee must have won a couple times.
13:03You want me to get that?
13:04No, no.
13:04It's okay.
13:05We should try to keep her moving here.
13:07I don't know.
13:09I'm loving the show so far.
13:11As a listener and a participant, Tennessee must have a few wins here.
13:16Has Jacksonville won here outside of the playoff game in 96?
13:20Yes.
13:21Jacksonville, okay.
13:24Chris Johnson had a huge rushing game for the Titans in Buffalo in the drought.
13:27The year before, they also won here.
13:29Yeah, Vince Young.
13:29They've always...
13:30Vince Young against Lossman.
13:32Yeah.
13:32That's another one.
13:33Yeah.
13:34Jacksonville?
13:37That's in London, so that shouldn't count.
13:40Let me find out this one, Jacksonville.
13:42How many games did they actually win?
13:442010, that's the game on the post-game show where I lost my mind, just because people thought
13:48it was fun.
13:49And I'm like, how could you possibly care about this?
13:522000?
13:542004?
13:55Oh, opening day, 2004.
13:56Oh, right.
13:58Wait.
13:59Wilford.
14:00Ernest...
14:00Ernest Wilford.
14:01Wilford.
14:0297, the playoff game.
14:04No.
14:05Still need three.
14:06Why don't you just knock down that long pass, Nate Clements, instead of trying to intercept
14:10it?
14:11Well, you don't make the Pro Bowl by knocking the ball down.
14:14That's that game.
14:15I hear he's leading the charge tomorrow.
14:17Because there was a...
14:18Nate Clements.
14:18Great.
14:19Great choice.
14:20There's a...
14:20I didn't actually hear that.
14:21There was a fourth down that...
14:23I think one of these years...
14:25The Bills never have a sense of humor about anything.
14:28One of these years, put me in charge, you're going to get the most funny, ironic choices
14:32for leading the charge.
14:34I mean, you have to pay them, but you do anyway, right?
14:37And we have all the money.
14:37If we're the Bills, we have all the money.
14:40Only hilarious, ironic choices for leading the charge.
14:43Like eight or nine players that you would just never...
14:46Wouldn't that be so much fun?
14:48The morning guys do the thing with the drum at the Sabres games, but there's no irony
14:53in it.
14:53You wouldn't pick guys that you hated.
14:56You wouldn't pick Lano for the drum.
14:58Right?
14:59But wouldn't that be fun to sort of come up with a list of guys that would be actually
15:02funny and fans would be like, what?
15:05Why would you...
15:06Why did you pick that guy?
15:07I gotta call the radio station.
15:08Why would you pick Nate Clements?
15:10He was good.
15:11Why do you have Eric Stahl helping fix your power play?
15:14Eric Stahl!
15:15What are we doing exactly?
15:16Wouldn't that be fun?
15:17I want to make that list, even though it'll mean nothing.
15:21That's something I would like to do.
15:22That'll get me up earlier.
15:23Yeah.
15:24I keep being able to remember, like, I'm thinking about the Saints, but I remember John
15:28Forcade, and then there's that big scoring, high scoring game the Bills lost in McDermott's
15:32first year, so like, that's out.
15:34Correct.
15:35Nailed it.
15:35Cross off New Orleans.
15:37You know, it's...
15:37It's a no-soc game.
15:38It's crazy.
15:39As good as they have been, I don't remember San Francisco ever winning here.
15:47So, they did.
15:48Okay.
15:48I believe...
15:5083 is one with Montana.
15:53There was that game where Lindell missed.
15:55Lindell never missed, and he missed a field goal 2008.
16:00Yeah, it's not San Francisco.
16:01Okay.
16:02But they don't have a pile of wins here.
16:04Yeah.
16:04They might have two.
16:08Minnesota.
16:09You're running out of teams.
16:09This is what happened to me.
16:10Yeah.
16:12Minnesota had that crazy overtime win here a couple of years ago.
16:15Plus the game with your wife.
16:17Right.
16:18That's right.
16:19I was thinking about Chuck Foreman getting hit with snowballs.
16:22So, they're out.
16:24They're out.
16:25You're running out.
16:25I don't want to guess the Bears, because to me, there's just no way that the Bears don't
16:30have more than one win against the Bills.
16:31Walter Payton, 7-0.
16:33Nathan Peterman, halftime Hail Mary.
16:34There we are.
16:35Done.
16:35Good.
16:36That's it.
16:37You're out.
16:39Teams that have won no more than one game ever at the stadium.
16:43That is now dust.
16:45Could Dallas be on this list?
16:46Dallas is correct.
16:49They won that, again.
16:51The only one is that Monday night.
16:53That Monday night game where I banged my head off the padded wall right behind me in the
16:58studio.
16:58There's still no plaque.
16:59There's not a plaque.
17:00There's actually a sponsor banner hanging behind that now.
17:02Dallas beat the Bills in 1971.
17:05Here at the Rockpile.
17:07Rockpile, okay.
17:08They had Greg Bell.
17:10They lost in 93 when Kelly was hurt.
17:13Aikman, Emmett, Deion, all of it.
17:15Bills won the game.
17:17It's, that's 96.
17:19What's 90?
17:19Oh, that's in Dallas.
17:2096 is that game.
17:22Home games.
17:2407 is the Monday night debacle.
17:26Right.
17:27No team has ever won a game like that.
17:29Six turnovers to one and they still won somehow.
17:31Two-point conversion.
17:33The timeout.
17:33A ridiculous long field goal at the end and like, oh my God.
17:36I wanted the coach fired that night for the screw up in the final seconds with timeouts.
17:43And then the Bills beat Dallas here when Jerry Jones was here and who's the coach?
17:48Kellen Moore started.
17:50And then the game where they ran them over a couple years ago.
17:53Dallas is right.
17:53Two more.
17:55One is in the AFC.
17:57Teams that have won no more than one game in the stadium, which is now dust.
18:00I don't want to go back and look at the AFC because I was just spinning my wheels doing that.
18:05So, I want to focus on getting this other NFC team.
18:080-7.
18:090-7.
18:10The AFC team is 0-7?
18:11No, NFC is 0-7.
18:12Wow.
18:16Going back to 1979.
18:21This team went 0-7 at the stadium in history.
18:28Washington.
18:29No.
18:30I was so confident.
18:32Washington is what?
18:33They won a game with Theismann.
18:36I feel like I'm on the verge of listing every team.
18:40You're close.
18:40This is what happened to me.
18:41This is why I was calling Joe.
18:44How's Green Bay?
18:45Green Bay is correct.
18:460-7.
18:49Nothing cheap about that.
18:51No.
18:52They have never won a game in Orchard Park.
18:54Or in Buffalo.
18:55Or at the Bills.
18:56You know what tripped me up thinking about them is, do you remember the, who's the cornerback?
19:01Terrell Buckley?
19:02Yep.
19:03Andre had an incredible day against Terrell Buckley, but in my head, they still, the Bills still
19:08lost the game, but obviously they did not.
19:10I was at that game sitting right behind the Bills' sideline with my then-girlfriend, who
19:14was from Green Bay.
19:15Terrell Buckley, for folks who don't know, was sort of a famous, a great college player,
19:21Florida State, I think.
19:23Just had a big, he felt like a celebrity in the league to me.
19:26Like, I don't know, he was like a big, famous...
19:28He's like Sauce Gardner.
19:29Yeah, this is like an era when Deion was in his, whatever.
19:32Like, this is a big personality corner.
19:35And Andre, like, caught 14 passes for like, I don't even remember the yards.
19:40He just had a day on Buckley.
19:43Great game.
19:44Joe Buck did that game, I believe, for CBS.
19:46Wow.
19:47NFC at AFC.
19:48So now I just, all we need is the AFC team now?
19:51Do I have to say then-girlfriend from 1994?
19:54It sort of, it sounds like I'm implying that it's now my wife, but it's not.
19:57Yeah.
19:58It's the woman who I was with in college that then invited my wife and me to her wedding
20:04in Green Bay, and we went, and that was a whole...
20:06All right.
20:06We're almost to the break here.
20:07One more team, and it's the AFC.
20:10Houston.
20:10Baltimore.
20:11Oh, wow.
20:13Baltimore has one win ever at the stadium, and it was, we were there.
20:16Lamar.
20:17It was close.
20:18Bill's had a chance to win.
20:20Driving.
20:20Late.
20:21Allen's a rookie.
20:22Or second year?
20:24Second year, maybe.
20:25I don't remember.
20:27Jackson's the MVP.
20:2819, I want to say.
20:29Okay.
20:29No.
20:29I believe you.
20:30I don't remember it.
20:31That's their only...
20:32There was a Kiko Alonso game against Billick.
20:36What about the Colts, though?
20:37The Colts?
20:38The Baltimore Colts.
20:39They must have won in the stadium.
20:40The Colts?
20:41How dare you?
20:42The Ravens are the answer.
20:43Okay.
20:44All right.
20:44You took the...
20:45That was fun.
20:46You took the ride.
20:46I mean, I hope...
20:47You bought the ticket, you took the ride.
20:48But everyone wasn't too annoyed, yelling out teams and waiting to see if you were going
20:53to be right.
20:54You know, it's the interaction that really...
20:56Yeah.
20:57...is what it's about.
20:58That's what makes life interesting.
20:59It really makes it sing.
20:59Yeah.
21:00So, today, Paul Hamilton...
21:02We're on a new time, by the way.
21:03Why are we on at two?
21:04We're not...
21:05Like, is the transmitter broken?
21:07No.
21:07Like, we're on...
21:07This is our regular thing.
21:09Paul at three.
21:11Yarmul, Lindy today will set up the Sabre season.
21:15Camp opens tomorrow.
21:16Mm-hmm.
21:17I've been saying it the last couple days.
21:18Feel a little bit like it's still sort of the Sabres of the last decade.
21:23But it's not.
21:24Like, I'm sure fans are revved for that season.
21:28And we've got a big night tomorrow night and the start of the Bills.
21:31But the Sabres are cool right now, too.
21:34Sal Capaccio at four.
21:35Mike Schopen, the Bulldog, here.
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