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This special broadcast covers major developments in technology, crime investigations, and civic regulations. The report examines global debates on artificial intelligence safety following the resignation of Anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon, who cited existential threats from unchecked development. Anthropic Chief Executive Dario Amodei outlined a three-step framework covering embedded reviewers, industry safety standards, and international coordination, alongside reactions from international leaders and industry executives Vineet Nayar and CP Gurnani regarding sovereign AI regulations and technological monopolies. In Gurugram, authorities investigate a hit-and-run incident after a woman biker named Sia was struck by a speeding vehicle amid family allegations of a deliberate collision. In Mumbai, the Central Bureau of Investigation registered a fresh FIR in the death case of celebrity manager Disha Salian following directions from the Bombay High Court. The broadcast also reviews civic concerns regarding high-decibel sound systems during Ganesh Utsav in Maharashtra with activist Vidyanand Bapat.
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00:00But tonight we start with a story that is now creating shockwaves across the world and spreading panic.
00:08AI safety fears have now been articulated more than ever before.
00:14The builders of AI are now admitting that unchecked use of artificial intelligence could kill us all by the end
00:22of the decade.
00:23Anthropic CEO Dara Amadei, among others, has called for a slowdown, warning that AI is now working to build increasingly
00:31more powerful AI that could slip out of control out of many companies.
00:36His proposal has found support even from rival AI bosses, including Sam Altman and also Elon Musk, is admitting to
00:45this.
00:46U.S. President Donald Trump and China have dismissed these fears.
00:49Even so, we thought today is a good day to look at what is becoming the major issue across the
00:56world.
00:56What really will AI do to humankind?
01:01That's our top focus tonight.
01:15AI researcher Jacob Coxon's resignation from Anthropic has opened a can of worms.
01:25Coxon, who has also worked with OpenAI, claimed researchers building artificial intelligence believe that AI could kill humans by the
01:33end of the decade.
01:40Now, Dario Amadei, the chief executive of Anthropic, is ringing the alarm bells.
01:46In an open letter on Saturday, Amadei called for a slowdown in the development of AI.
01:52Amadei mentions two developments to back his call.
01:58He claims AI is itself helping build a next generation of AI.
02:02Amadei says this dynamic, called recursive self-improvement, is happening across the industry, including his company.
02:10Left unchecked, this could outrun human ability to understand and control these systems.
02:15Amadei points to another incident when OpenAI systems attacked an AI startup Hugging Face.
02:22The attack went unnoticed, till Hugging Face informed OpenAI weeks later.
02:29The Anthropic chief executive has proposed a three-step plan.
02:35One, independent embedded reviewers could study systems at Anthropic and other big AI firms.
02:43Two, AI companies in democratic countries agree on common safety standards and limits on the rate of unchecked AI progress.
02:52Three, the US and other democratic governments coordinate with authoritarian governments and convince them to follow similar practices.
03:04Amadei has got support from his competitors in the US.
03:08Sam Altman, the chief executive of OpenAI, Elon Musk, chief executive of SpaceX and Demis Hassabis, the chair of Google
03:15DeepMind, have acknowledged the concerns.
03:19However, US President Donald Trump has played down the threats posed by AI.
03:25We're leading China in AI.
03:27We're the most sophisticated country in the world.
03:30And frankly, I want to keep it that way.
03:32Because whoever wins, AI wins.
03:34And we can put guardrails, we can do this and that.
03:37But I think you have a lot of negative forces that are bringing it up that shouldn't be bringing it
03:42up.
03:42And they're bringing up things that won't happen.
03:45But whoever wins with AI wins.
03:47You know, it's an expression that I came up with.
03:49It's true.
03:51China, too, has rejected the concerns raised by the tech czars.
03:58The development of artificial intelligence concerns the common well-being of all humanity.
04:04Spreading various threat narratives and engaging in confrontation and malicious competition will only disrupt the global AI governance process and
04:12serve the interests of no one.
04:19Armour, these views have also been disputed by smaller AI players in the West.
04:23These critics are questioning how the leaders in the market can set the rules for the rest and create a
04:29monopoly for themselves.
04:32Should AI have a kill switch?
04:34Even if it had, will it work?
04:39These are the questions the world will have to grapple within the coming months.
04:45Bureau Report, India Today.
04:51Okay, joining me now, my first guest today is a special one, Vineet Nair, former CEO of HCL, also author
04:57of Humans First, Machines Second, joins us.
05:00Good to have you on the show, Mr. Nair.
05:02How do you react to when you hear researchers at Anthropic, for example, Jacob Coxson, who resigned in protests, going
05:09on record to say that people are building AI when they earnestly, privately believe that it could kill us all
05:16by the end of the decade.
05:17No other human activity, he says, poses this level of danger.
05:21Is he and others exaggerating the threat that AI poses to humankind or do they have a point?
05:30So, when we were growing up, I'm sure you heard that story of share aya, share aya, right?
05:34And the share never arrived.
05:38See, you have to see what is the lemon being sold for all these years.
05:45The lemon being sold for all these years is AI is more intelligent than human.
05:49AI is going to take over the jobs.
05:51And now AI is going to kill us.
05:52So, if you watch that movie called God Must Be Crazy, a Coke bottle falls in Africa and suddenly they
05:59treat it as God, they worship it and they call it a devil.
06:03These guys have to prevent their trillion dollar valuations, although I'm a big fan of AI, but it is running
06:10ahead of its delivery.
06:12So, the hype cycle is going up because of which they are setting as a story, number one, it is
06:18going to deliver something which it has not delivered, but it will deliver tomorrow.
06:22And now suddenly they are saying that they are ganging up and saying, hey, we are going to slow down
06:27and that is the reason we will not be able to deliver to the trillion dollar valuation.
06:31No.
06:31So, I don't buy into that argument.
06:32I buy into the argument that AI is one of the most exciting technology which is going to happen, but
06:37I don't buy into the argument of either AI is going to lead the humans or AI is going to
06:42kill the humans.
06:44So, when you have Mr. Nayyad, the Anthropic CEO, Dario Amadai, also backing this in a way, saying that the
06:53pace of development of AI needs to slow down, the risk is that otherwise something could go seriously wrong.
07:01Are you saying all of this is part of a hype machine that is frightening the world?
07:08I think so.
07:09See, the fact that, you know, a lot of these companies want to list and they want to list at
07:13a trillion dollar valuation.
07:15And the question I ask is, where is the use case?
07:18When the internet came in, it took seven years for Amazon to come in, Facebook to come in, Google to
07:23come in.
07:23And those were mega use cases which transformed the use of technology into revenue bearing activity.
07:29Where is that revenue bearing activity which AI has driven?
07:32It will definitely drive.
07:34It will transform industries.
07:36It will transform education.
07:37But where is the use case right now?
07:40So, in absence of those use case and the fact that you want to get listening, initially you said AI
07:45is going to be brighter than the humans.
07:47Then you said it is going to have more IQ than the humans.
07:50Then you said that it will take over all the jobs.
07:53And now you are saying that it is going to kill.
07:55So, basically, you want to center all the arguments of AI, but the fact is, where is that use case?
08:03Right?
08:04After electricity, there was a use case.
08:06After internet, there was a use case.
08:08So, it will come.
08:09But it is not coming right now.
08:11It is not coming tomorrow.
08:12So, he may be right.
08:13He may be wrong.
08:14But I would say the probability of his being wrong or they all being wrong.
08:18And then one other thing, Rajiv, there are lots of young people who are developing LLMs at half the cost
08:24at 10 times faster.
08:25And therefore, when you bring in this kind of, you know, share AI concept, that kind of innovation really dies
08:32down.
08:32So, I would take that with a pinch of salt.
08:37In a sense, what you are saying is interesting, Mr. Nayar.
08:40You are saying this is a crisis of a business model, that these are big companies that now have these
08:45huge valuations, but don't have a proper revenue model in place.
08:49And therefore, are creating possibly these exaggerated fears.
08:53But there will be those, Mr. Nayar, who will argue that Frontier AI should be, does need auditing.
08:59It needs an independent safety regulator, some kind of a regulatory framework.
09:05Do you agree with that, that they cannot be allowed to operate at scale without some kind of oversight?
09:13100% I agree with that.
09:15Any new technology which gets developed, right, needs to pass some kind of a safety test.
09:20And therefore, whatever they have promoted, there should be a watcher.
09:22We have those watchers in financial services industry.
09:25We have those watchers in many other areas.
09:27I absolutely agree.
09:28Yes, let's do it.
09:29But not out of fear.
09:30See, you cannot create a FUD out of fear.
09:34So first, you created a FUD out of hype.
09:36And then you created a FUD out of the fact that it is a solution for every ills of this
09:41society.
09:41And we are going to live till 150 years.
09:43And now you're going to create a FUD out of fear.
09:46That concept is different to the fact that there should be a supervision.
09:49Anything which is going to impact humanity in such a big way has to have a supervision.
09:54Internet has a supervision.
09:56And financial services have a supervision.
09:58Of course, it should have some kind of supervision.
10:00But not over-regulation, which is going to kill it.
10:03But it is also, Mr. Nayar, whether one likes it or not, creating a concentration of power of the kind
10:10we've never seen before, possibly in just two or three large AI companies.
10:14Concentration of technological power that could be deeply unsettling and unhealthy for society.
10:20Because, you know, the fear is that AI wants to play a god and control every aspect of our lives.
10:26How do you change that?
10:27Is that at all possible?
10:28Is there an inevitability when you have such technologies disrupting the world that there will be fears?
10:34Are these fears rational or irrational?
10:39Not an irrational fear.
10:40But if you look at the capitalist society which we have built for ourselves, right?
10:44Operating system, there are a table of two.
10:48Search, there are a table of two.
10:51MRP and ERP, there are a table of two.
10:53Pharmaceutical, there is a table of five.
10:55Financial services, there is a table of five.
10:57So, therefore, unfortunately, in a capitalist society, the amount of money you can throw in towards innovation creates that kind
11:06of monopoly, duopoly or fiveropoly.
11:09And that is inevitable in our scheme of things.
11:13But so far, we have survived it, right?
11:16Microsoft came in and it was the exclusive operating system used across the world.
11:20And then Linux came in.
11:21So, we have survived that.
11:23And therefore, I would be less worried about the fact that there are three people or four people talking about
11:29AI.
11:29And I can tell you, because I work in artificial intelligence quite extensively, what is coming, the innovation which is
11:36coming behind is at much lower cost, much faster.
11:39It will not be able to solve 100% of the problems.
11:42But the very fact that it can solve 80% or 70% of the problem at one-tenth the
11:47cost and 10 times faster is a market disruptor.
11:51So, you're absolutely right that the business model is getting disrupted.
11:55On one side, there are billions and billions or trillions of dollars of investment is not finding a return on
12:00investment.
12:01Number two, all the young people who are coming from behind are able to do 70% of what they
12:06are doing.
12:06So, where will the revenue come from?
12:08I mean, there is no business case like internet, like a search or like an Amazon, which is going to
12:14result into billions of dollars.
12:16So, therefore, create a FUD and create fear that, you know, God must be crazy and we are going to
12:22die.
12:22You know, it's interesting the way you're putting it because if I look at the trajectory, first, these big companies
12:28capture market share, build, as you say, duopolies or monopolies,
12:32and now suddenly are expressing fears about after having captured these large amounts of market share about what AI could
12:39do to the world.
12:40Do you believe that in general are these large AI models, the anthropics, the open AI is operating responsibly or
12:49who's going to even ensure that they act responsibility given the enormous transnational power they wield today?
12:56Who's going to check them at all?
12:59Sir Rajdeep, whatever we don't know, we fear, right?
13:04So, when internet came in and the fact that nobody was controlling internet, we had the same fear that when
13:09I put my data on internet, when I send an email from there to there, will somebody pluck it out?
13:14And therefore, there will be no confidentiality.
13:16And then the security systems and then the encryption systems came in, which prevented that from happening.
13:21So, any technology revolution comes in, we have a similar fear that the technology is going to eat us up
13:27or technology, including nuclear fuels, right?
13:30Including nuclear bombs, right?
13:31But the society found a way of controlling those technologies and keeping humans above the technology.
13:39And I think I have no fear.
13:40See, AI, I'm very excited.
13:42It has an opportunity to solve some of our poverty problems, some of our healthcare problems, some of our access
13:48problems, some of our education problems.
13:50Very excited about it.
13:51And we will, as a society, find, see, as many people are working on AI, many other people are working
13:57on controlling AI, on security systems and making sure it doesn't go out of sync.
14:01And therefore, I think society will find a way of controlling AI.
14:05And all this is hog-bossed on the fact that AI is going to take over society, take over jobs,
14:10take over intellect and kill us all.
14:13But if there was one piece of advice you would give, Mr. Nayar, as someone who's seen the technological revolution
14:19from the frontiers firsthand over the last several decades, what is that one piece of advice you would give to
14:26the new cutting-edge AI companies that are mushrooming across the world?
14:32I can't give an advice to cutting-edge AI companies because they are capitalists.
14:36They want to raise funds.
14:37And therefore, trillion-dollar valuation is important for them.
14:39So they will, they will, in India, we say, they will keep doing that.
14:46We don't have to be the snake dancing to the tune, right?
14:48We have to use our own rationale and say, why are they saying it?
14:51What is their incentive in saying it?
14:53And what should be my case?
14:54My case should be to use the technology at $20 a month or whatever it is and find use case
15:03to solve problems which are not solved.
15:05So corporates should look at business cases, not using subscription, but look at business cases of using the technology to
15:12transform their business.
15:14Entrepreneurs should look at the next Amazon, the next Facebook, the next Google.
15:18So all of us should not worry about the technology.
15:20All of us should worry about if the technology comes because it is going to be available to everybody.
15:25It's not Rajdeep, you will have the technology and I will not have the technology.
15:28Technology will be available to everybody.
15:30And that is the reason I say in my book, Humans First, Machine Second, that there are 30 ways you
15:36can prosper leveraging the technology to transform your business and transform your children's life to do something which has not
15:45been happening before.
15:48You're saying 30 ways, 30 ways which you can prosper from AI.
15:52Give me one, give me one where AI far from being this force that will destroy humankind will actually take
15:59humankind to another level.
16:00Give me one good example.
16:05Very good.
16:06So with AI, two things are going to happen.
16:09One, knowledge which you took 23 years to get in colleges, you will be able to get in 23 days.
16:14Second, the experience of 30 years, you can get it in 23 months or in 30 days.
16:20Now, imagine all our organizations are structured around experience and knowledge.
16:26I'm a general manager because I have 20 years of experience and I have this plethora of knowledge.
16:31With all the knowledge and all the experience going into AI, what does it mean to hierarchy?
16:37What does it mean to organize and structure?
16:39So therefore, all these tools are going to be available with young people.
16:42They will have the experience and they will have the knowledge on a click of a button.
16:45So what happens to the organization?
16:47Massive innovation is going to happen.
16:50Massive time is going to be unlocked.
16:51And these young people with the experience and the knowledge, without waiting for 30 years,
16:56certainly have that.
16:57And therefore, what are they going to do with their time?
16:59They're going to reinvent.
17:00They're going to try and make something happen.
17:02And that is what the book is about.
17:03That you can use that time to innovate, to reimagine and to do something which has not been done so
17:09far.
17:10But what's the biggest downside, Mr. Nair?
17:13Surely there's a downside.
17:15Many concerns over jobs.
17:17There are concerns over defense security, over how AI could infiltrate surveillance systems,
17:23bust our privacy.
17:25They could pose threats to national sovereignty.
17:28What, according to you, is the biggest downside?
17:32Yeah, I think there are three downsides.
17:34First is there is going to be a short-term pain.
17:37In jobs, we're going to have less jobs, right?
17:39Because if we are not going to be ready to create new opportunities.
17:42Number two, security threats, you're absolutely right.
17:44That with new technology coming in, the security industry always is a little behind.
17:50So therefore, the defense industries, the capitalist industries, the organizations have to get ready.
17:56But the third, the biggest problem is our education system is not ready.
18:00Our education system to be able to adopt AI and transform AI from knowledge-giving education to building curiosity,
18:09to building experimentation, to building problem solving, we are on footed.
18:13And therefore, the question is, are our billion people going to be ready for the new AI world coming in?
18:18So those are the three, I would say, not downsides, but initial five-year pain, three, five-year pain, which
18:25we are going to see.
18:28Vineet Nayar, thank you very much for joining me here on the news today.
18:32Good to have you on the show.
18:58Those are some of the questions I want to raise.
19:05Joining me now, special guest, joined by C.P. Gurnani, former CEO at Tech Mahindra, co-founder and vice chairman
19:12of INOS joins me.
19:14Also being joined by Kareen Ben-Simon.
19:17She's in Tel Aviv.
19:19She's VP Global Partnerships at Dream.
19:21It's a sovereign AI and cyber unicorn valued at $3 billion U.S. dollars.
19:26And Lalitesh Katragada is also joining me, founder of IndieHood.com and an AI expert.
19:33Good to have all of you on the show.
19:34I want to go first to you in Tel Aviv, Kareen.
19:37How are you seeing this entire controversy that's now snowballing across the world?
19:42Started with an anthropic researcher quitting the company, saying AI companies are gambling with our lives
19:49and pose some kind of a risk to humankind.
19:53Do you think it's an exaggerated fear?
19:56So I believe that eventually government, in order to be able to defeat this race,
20:04they have to employ and deploy also sovereign AI capabilities.
20:09You have to be able to control the data.
20:12You have to be able to own the data and the infrastructure below it.
20:17So regardless of any, let's say, innovative or attacker's capabilities,
20:22you'll have to make sure that you have the necessary measures, AI-based,
20:27because if not, it's not like an equivalent race,
20:31to be able to protect your entities and your data and your government critical infrastructures with AI.
20:44Now, so are you saying that there should be governments will have the power to have some kind of a
20:48kill switch,
20:49a safety or security mechanism that can shut down an AI system or machine if there is an emergency or
20:57some danger that's seen?
20:59Is that what you're saying?
21:00Is that feasible?
21:01So I'm saying that eventually each government, when they deploy or when they use AI,
21:08they have to put the necessary measures.
21:11Each government choose on how to do it,
21:13but they will have to have the necessary measures in order to protect and to make sure that everything is
21:19in place.
21:21So I think that eventually we'll have to make sure that the government has the ownership of the data
21:27and they have also the capability to understand and to control what is happening in their AI stack.
21:34If you decide to put a kill switch based on your, let's say, internal models,
21:39that's the controls that you provide,
21:41but we want to make sure that at least we know what we have inside of it in the entire
21:46AI stack.
21:51You know, CP Gudnani, you're hearing what Kareen is saying,
21:55that governments will need to have some kind of control over data.
21:59Do you believe that's at all feasible?
22:02I've had Vineet Nayar today on my show.
22:04He says these fears in any case are exaggerated.
22:06Even when the internet first came,
22:08there were all kinds of fears about what internet would do to our existence.
22:12Now it's AI companies and maybe this is a valuation game.
22:16How do you respond?
22:16So let's take a step back.
22:21The first time in the history of technology,
22:26three companies agreed with each other.
22:29Elon Musk, OpenAI and Anthropik.
22:32So you cannot say that the incident that happened at OpenAI is not a warning signal.
22:45Number two, we all also saw the three steps that the three companies have suggested.
22:55One is on-site auditor, one is lab being coordinated and number third, agree with China on testing and limits.
23:09Now, this kind of collaboration, more to reemphasize that AI is now running faster.
23:26You know, Anthropik founder has said AI is now generating new AI.
23:33I think we need to take it very, very seriously and there are only two or three ways of looking
23:42at it.
23:43Number one is control the usage of AI.
23:48I mean, let's not assume that this is a machine which can be given to every individual and allowed to
23:57function on its own.
23:58Number two is control the use cases because if you run a use case, then you are basically saying,
24:09I have defined the input and I defined the output.
24:13So I can only repeat that current, I mean, they are using the word slowdown.
24:24Now, I would say, can we hit the pause button and till we are able to...
24:33But you see, it's very interesting.
24:36Sorry, sir, sorry to intervene.
24:40You're saying we could maybe hit the pause button, but these are the very same companies that have built these
24:45large market valuations.
24:48They've got large market share.
24:49Now, suddenly, they are recognizing the dangers and the fears of AI.
24:53I mean, they've been at this for years now.
24:56Suddenly, AI becomes so dangerous.
24:59Did they not know this earlier?
25:02As you have noticed is that some of these events have been a wake-up call.
25:10You heard about the OpenAI experiment of the people who are not connected, people who are working in isolation, and
25:21the agenting AI I'm talking about, agenting AI working in isolation is able to create fake accounts and fake narrative.
25:31I don't think the authors of this software knew about it, and if they knew about it, I would say
25:42that at least now the three of them are agreeing.
25:46They are agreeing that they have a monster in hand.
25:56So, you know, Mr. Gurnani is saying there's a monster in hand.
26:02Lalit Katragada, how do you respond?
26:04Do you believe there's a monster that's been created, a Frankenstein that's been created that could devour its own?
26:09Or do you believe that's an exaggeration, that actually AI is an enabler, and we've got to look at the
26:15positives, while also being conscious of security concerns that may be raised?
26:21There's a danger now that these fears could sort of create a fear-mongering, could create a sense of hysteria
26:27once again.
26:29Yeah, I think there's a little bit of all of that going on, Rajdeep.
26:35See, if you take a step back, compared to the Internet, this is the first time in human history where
26:41we have machines that can learn, learn not just what they are taught, but learn things they have not been
26:46taught.
26:47So the risks are definitely higher.
26:49But if you look very closely, the fourth AI company in the world, where the AI system, Gemini, is run
26:58by Demis.
26:59Demis has sort of agreed, but also said that some of these threats are highly exaggerated.
27:06He believes the risk is in the sub, you know, 1% and so on.
27:10But having said that, I think there is no doubt we need to have regulation.
27:14And the first point that Karina made, I completely echo.
27:19The risks of code that you don't control, the risks of data you don't control are very high.
27:24So the Indian, I think, regulation needs to recognize that.
27:28And in the long run, maybe medium term, Indian companies, whether they are customers of the software or producers of
27:35the software, we need to have our own code and we need to have our own data.
27:40But most importantly, I think we need to focus a lot more on security than we have been.
27:44But having said that, I'm an optimist.
27:46I think this AI era is going to create an era of plenty.
27:49And I think we should not lose sight of that.
27:55But, you know, Lalit, if China, US, which are the two big powers that are in this major AI war
28:02or AI race,
28:04and they gain enormous economic and strategic advantage out of it, can we really have a global safety regime?
28:12Yes, Karen, you want to step into that?
28:14Because, you know, China and Washington, will they agree to these red lines?
28:20Or will national security competition make us an AI arms control regime?
28:24I mean, who's going to really bell the cat?
28:27Which governments are going to agree to this?
28:29Will China in particular agree to have the kind of control over AI and disclose that to the world?
28:38So I think that when we had the same issue with cybersecurity, let's say the offensive side had always, was
28:47always, you know, like a very advanced, very innovative in their techniques, etc.
28:51It didn't mean that the defense or the defenders had regulations and had global collaboration and had relevant, let's say,
29:01measures, security measures to make sure that, again, we minimize the race between attacker and defenders.
29:09It's the same for AI, even when we discovered a dream, an autonomous AI cyber attack recently that targeted government
29:18entities in Asia.
29:21We were able to understand how it operated and also shared the best practices with the government customers that we
29:29have with the global ecosystem.
29:30Because, again, you have to make sure that you identify the necessary countermeasures.
29:35So it doesn't mean that even if there's, you know, like a war or, let's say, attackers on the one
29:44side, you have to make sure that you empower the defenders leveraging AI capabilities.
29:49So what we do also with Dream, we provide this empowerment for the cyber defenders in the cybersecurity field.
30:06Okay, we're getting some breaking news at this moment.
30:09In the big hit and run case that has taken place in Gurugram, the girl Sia's family, she was a
30:16biker who was hit by a speeding car, had arrived at the Gurugram Sector 46, 56 police station.
30:23They have alleged that the daughter was not merely hit, but there was an attempt being made to kill her.
30:27Remember, remember, a young woman biker was chased on a city road late yesterday, rammed by a speeding car and
30:36left injured.
30:37The shocking incident in Gurugram once again putting the spotlight on whether India's roads are really safe from hit and
30:43run accidents.
30:44These are not isolated incidents.
30:47We've had deadly crashes involving luxury cars, reckless stunts on public roads, underage driving.
30:53And now this case of hit and run where a woman biker was hit in the heart of Gurugram by
31:00a speeding car.
31:01Take a look at what happened.
31:27Okay, let's, let me go up.
31:33Let's go across to Arvind Oja, our reporter who's tracking this story.
31:36Arvind, what has said that Sia's family and why did he put a F.I.R. file for this time?
31:50Arvind, what has said that Sia's family and why did he put a F.I.R. file for this incident?
32:13Well, the first thing happened.
32:14That's why, you know, the F.I.R. had the F.I.R.
32:30The F.I.R.
32:30The F.I.R.
32:31The F.I.R.
32:32The F.I.R.
32:33The F.I.R.
32:34The F.I.R.
32:35The F.I.R.
33:06The F.I.R.
33:16A young woman on a bike, chased on roads, rammed by a speeding car and left injured.
33:24She was out on a ride with members of a local biking group on Gurugram's Golf Course Road.
33:31In a video posted on Instagram, the biker shared that a car began aggressively tailing
33:37her motorcycle and occupants demanded that she pull over.
33:41But she kept riding, and the car continued to pursue her.
33:52A fellow biker then tried to position himself behind her, using his own motorcycle to shield
33:59her from the pursuing car.
34:01But the car driver then allegedly attempted to cut in front of her bike, striking her at
34:07high speed and fleeing the seat.
34:22The car driver then came out of the car.
34:49India today has spoken to the accused Kalyan, who has instead blamed the victim, saying she
34:55was driving erratically.
35:31But look beyond this one case.
35:34In February, a speeding Scorpio crushed a 23-year-old boy in Delhi.
35:39In May 2024, a Porsche killed two people in Pune.
35:44In July that year, a BMW hit-and-run killed a woman in Mumbai.
35:49In July 2025, a drunk Audi driver ran over five people sleeping on a footpath in Delhi.
35:57This is not simply about reckless driving.
36:00It is about the entitlement syndrome on India's roads.
36:05Unchecked entitlement may begin with a traffic violation.
36:09But time and again, it ends with lives being lost.
36:15Bureau Report, India today.
36:20Okay, let's turn from there, from the big story in Gurugram to the big story that happened
36:25in Mumbai today, when the Disha Salian death case, the CBI today chose to file an FIR, which
36:32has named several high-profile individuals who will be investigated after Disha's father
36:38filed a complaint.
36:39Remember, Disha allegedly, according to the Mumbai police, committed suicide in 2021.
36:46But now, the FIR names the likes of Shiv Sena, UBT, MLA, Aritya Thakre, his father and party chief,
36:54Uddav Thakre, actor Rhea Chakrabarti and others.
36:57Disha's father has claimed that she was gang-raped and murdered, and it was not a case of suicide.
37:03The FIR goes beyond these names, probing allegations of delayed autopsy, missing evidence, and what
37:10they claim is a false suicide narrative, or at least what Disha's family claims.
37:16Take a look at this report.
37:30A fresh probe has now opened a new chapter in the death of actor-manager, Disha Salian.
37:39After Bombay High Court directed the CBI to probe Disha Salian's death, following a petition
37:45filed by her father, the central agency recorded Satish Salian's statement on Friday.
37:53The CBI has now filed an FIR based on Satish Salian's statement, in which he alleged his daughter
38:01was gang-raped and murdered.
38:14India today has accessed a copy of the CBI FIR.
38:19And the document mentions several high-profile names, including political figures, actors and
38:27police officials whose alleged roles are now to be investigated.
38:36The list includes Shiv Sena UBT MLA Aditya Thakre, his father and party chief Uddhav Thakre, actor
38:46Riyadh Chakrabarti, her brother Shauvik Chakrabarti, actors Suraj Pancholi and Dino Moria.
38:53The FIR also mentions former police officials Sachin Vazay and Parambir Singh, along with
39:01former Maharashtra Home Minister Anil Deshmukh.
39:07The CBI probe is not just about the people named in the FIR.
39:11The agency is also examining serious allegations about how the original investigation was handled.
39:20From a delayed autopsy report to alleged suppression and destruction of evidence.
39:28Claims of a false suicide narrative and the alleged fabrication of evidence during the investigations.
39:36The statement of Satish Salayan has been recorded.
39:40And as per the statement, FIR has been registered.
39:44Though the complaint alleges names of Aditya Thakre, Uddhav Thakre, Dino Moria, Riyadh Chakrabarti,
39:51Suraj Pancholi and several others.
39:53But CBI will be probing the case, will conduct their probe and only then they'll be naming accused in the
40:01case.
40:02As of now, CBI also went on to mention that it is a suspected offence.
40:11Bureau report India today.
40:17Okay, it's Ganesh Chaturthi and I want to wish each and every one of you a happy Ganesh Chaturthi,
40:22the festival of the elephant god and it is nowhere bigger than in Maharashtra.
40:26But this year, the festival also is seeing some controversy over the use of DJs and disco music during Ganesh
40:34Chaturthi,
40:35often at very loud levels that many citizens say disturbs them.
40:39The Bombay High Court has stepped in and said that the noise levels must be kept down.
40:43The Maharashtra government too is acting.
40:46But there are those who are saying public celebrations should not be policed by the state.
40:52Take a look at this report.
40:53The campaign took an ugly turn recently when Bapat was manhandled by an organizer.
40:58The police had stepped in to lower the tensions then.
41:08They have disallowed the use of some types of speakers.
41:11Meanwhile, the Mumbai police are strictly enforcing a cap of 50 decibels between 10pm and 6am during Ganesh Chaturthi
41:17in accordance with the Bombay High Court order.
41:26Amplified DJ systems, mixers and heavy Dolby setups are completely banned during processions.
41:34Authorities encourage traditional instruments like Dhol Tasha instead.
41:54On the ground devotees have mixed opinions on the issue.
42:21Ganesh Mandals in Mumbai can use loudspeakers and amplifiers from 6am to midnight on four designated
42:27immersion rooms.
42:27September 15th, 18th, 19th and 25th.
42:31The High Court in August 2016 had directed the implementation of the noise pollution regulation
42:36and control rules of 2000.
42:38According to that order, the sound limit has to be kept below 60 decibels in residential areas.
42:45With Mustafa Sheikh and Aumkar Wabli, Bureau Report, India Today.
42:52Okay, so should we be stopping or should governments be banning the use of DJs and loud music during Ganesh
43:00Otsav
43:01or is that part of a public celebration?
43:03Joining me now is the person who's triggered that massive debate in Maharashtra.
43:08Vidyanand Bapat is a resident of Pune.
43:10He's someone who's been taking a campaign on this and was even physically attacked for taking on that campaign last
43:17week.
43:17Good to have you, Mr. Bapat, on the show.
43:19You've been campaigning against the use of DJs, loudspeakers, even the Dhol Tasha during Ganesh Otsav.
43:26And there will be those who will say festivals are meant to be public celebrations.
43:30You cannot now put these kind of restrictions on the way festivals are celebrated.
43:38No, this argument seems ridiculous because in today's times, all these public festivals have become a cause of the public
43:46nuisance.
43:47And there is no tangible benefit which you see by celebrating festivals at places, especially in streets.
43:56So, if they may want to celebrate this on playground, on large auditoriums, soundproofed auditoriums, then that's okay.
44:05But if they are about to celebrate it on streets, then it will become only the cause of the news
44:10for evidence of people.
44:17But already, Mr. Bapat, the government has said that there will be restrictions on the use of DJs, for example.
44:24But the Dhol Tasha, there are some traditional ways in which you celebrate, particularly on the big days of immersion.
44:31The first big day will be tomorrow.
44:33On those days, the Dhol is part of the celebration.
44:35So, some amount of noise, according to, there will be those who say some amount of noise is part of
44:43Ganesh Oksa.
44:46Yes, traditionally, it might be the case that playing off a traditional store, such as Dhol and Tasha's, might be
44:55part of any festival celebration.
44:57But in today's times, our style has changed the lot.
45:01We work 24 by 7, because we work for US, UK and Australia based clients.
45:06And since last few years, we have been working from.
45:09So, the D-Mark line with residential and commercial areas have been blurred.
45:15So, it causes a lot of nuisance to all IT and ITA sector employees working from.
45:23And they are working 24 by 7.
45:25So, even if it is a tradition, it should now be discounted, just like discontinued the Sati tradition,
45:30then child rights tradition, and they are traditions which were violating the rights of citizens to leave, to leave and...
45:44No, no, but you see, if the principle is one person's celebration is becoming another person's nuisance,
45:51where do you draw the lines? And who will draw the lines?
45:54I mean, the fact is, forget about Ganesh Oksa. We have weddings that are celebrated loudly.
45:58There's so much of urban noise around us in almost every festival.
46:02Who is going to draw the line? Who is going to say,
46:05this celebration which you are doing has crossed the limit, it is becoming a nuisance?
46:09Who should decide that?
46:12There is an objective criteria, we can say, any artificial sound amplifying equipment.
46:18So, as long as there is no use of artificial sound amplifying equipment, whether it's electronic or one being operated
46:27manually, such as Dhova and Tasha,
46:29it can be called a peaceful celebration, but if there is use of amplifying equipment, manual or electronic, then we
46:37can call it a celebration.
46:40No, no, but who will decide?
46:42No, no, but Mr. Bapad, who will decide?
46:45No, no, Mr. Bapad, who will decide it? Who decides? Does the government, does the police decide?
46:50Does a society, if you are a cooperative society, do the members decide? Who decides?
46:55In a public celebration like Ganesh Utsav, who should decide that this celebration, which is taking place, is now a
47:02nuisance?
47:05We all can agree on this objective definition. As long as there is no use of any artificial sound amplifying
47:11equipment, it can be called as peaceful celebration.
47:14And if any such equipment is being used, it can be called noisy. So, that is an objective definition. We
47:20all agree on it.
47:25But, you know, Mr. Bapad, as you've seen, what you've come out with and the campaign you've started has also
47:31triggered opposition to the point where you were physically attacked last week while you were speaking to the media.
47:37Now, does it mean that the moment you start questioning cultural, religious traditions, that you find yourself in a very
47:47dangerous space, there will be those who will say, who is Mr. Bapad to, in a way, decide how Ganesh
47:54Utsav is to be celebrated?
47:56This has been going on from Lokmanya Tilak's times. And because it's a Hindu festival, that's why Mr. Bapad is
48:05getting away by saying all this. Would you dare say it about any other community?
48:12Yes, we are openly saying so about festivals of all religions and not just religious festivals, but any pretext under
48:19which a few people, noise pollution and traffic construction.
48:23So, this objection is not tenable.
48:27So, this objection is not tenable.
48:27However, all religions are all picked.
48:31And the specific question to the Targanesh festival or Hindu festival is because almost 80% of the population in
48:39India is the one which is defined or certified by law.
48:43So, that's the only reason.
48:45So, that's the only reason.
48:45And that do not have any specific results are getting into festivals.
48:54Okay, I'm going to leave it there, Mr. Bapad.
48:57Good to hear you.
48:58As I said, you're giving one perspective to it.
49:01It is a contentious issue, but it's an issue worth debating.
49:04I mean, surely, one has to be very conscious during public celebrations to realize that one person's celebration could well
49:12become someone else's nuisance.
49:14Achieving that kind of balance, in many ways, is one way to ensure everyone enjoys Ganesh Otsav.
49:22Appreciate you joining us there, Mr. Bapad.
49:25Yes, thanks.
49:27Because the fact is, it is Ganesh Otsav.
49:30It is a time to celebrate.
49:31It is the Lord who hopefully will remove all obstacles.
49:35I hope you had your modaks, the sweet that is there during Ganesh Otsav.
49:39And I wish all of you peace and prosperity.
49:42I leave you with our images.
49:43Sergio Gaur, U.S. Ambassador to India, visiting the famous Lalbat Raja in Mumbai.
49:50And also other celebrities out there celebrating Mumbai's and Maharashtra's biggest festival.
49:57Thanks for watching.
49:58You stay well.
49:59Stay safe.
50:00Good night.
50:00Shubratri.
50:01Ghanpati Bappa Morya.
50:03Have a great day.
50:04Bye for now.
50:05Namastra.
50:06Sir, Sir.
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