00:00I want to quickly cut across to our panelists because viewers, you know, is it road rage, of course, is
00:05it lawlessness, of course, is it somewhere down the line entitlement, of course, but it's also got to do with
00:13unbridled male ego that cannot handle rejection.
00:17One can go all the way back to the Manu Sharma case where Jessica Lal was shot because somebody pulled
00:24the trigger when a woman refused to serve him a drink.
00:27In this case, clearly, you could see the anger where the car edged into a bike because constantly this man
00:33was trying to get her to stop and she did not stop.
00:35The anger was that much that the person behind the wheel chose to actually hit her bike, which seemingly is
00:45attempt to murder if you actually corroborate and piece together the various video clips that are out in public domain.
00:52I want to quickly cut across right now to our panelists this evening.
00:55Joining me, Mr. Yashaw Ardhan Azad, former IPS Special Director, Intelligence Bureau, Mr. Dilip Cherian, founder, Perfect Relations, Gaurav Bakshi,
01:03Citizens Right Activist and founder, Help Desk.
01:06We'll also be joined shortly by Mr. Cyrus Brocha, Indian comedian.
01:10I want to begin with Mr. Azad.
01:12Mr. Azad, you know, what one can't understand, and maybe you can break it down for our viewers, why is
01:17it that no arrest or detention has taken place?
01:20One can understand that, yes, the victim in question hasn't filed an FIR, but there's enough video documentation that can
01:28enable the police that has filed an FIR against unknown person to actually file serious counts of attempt to murder.
01:37What's stopping the Gurugram police to take tangible action, sir?
01:42Well, there are a lot of things there which is very, very good.
01:51There's a problem with your audio, sir.
01:54There is a clear problem with your audio.
01:56We're going to try and just rectify that.
01:58Can we just rectify Mr. Azad's audio?
01:59And we're going to come right back to him.
02:01And I want to bring in Mr. Dilip Cherian into this conversation.
02:04Because, Mr. Cherian, as much this is about entitlement, about road rage, it's more about rejection and a bruised ego.
02:11You know, one can go back to the Jessica Lal murder case and nothing quite has changed.
02:15Indian men, maybe not just Indian, but the sheer fact of facing rejection bruises an ego to an extent where
02:22you will do what it takes to even scores.
02:27Entitlement, I think, is the big aspect of this and ego, of course.
02:32But also, it is mysterious to me why 24 or plus hours after the accident, the victim hasn't chosen through
02:42her parents, through her brother, to actually file an FIR.
02:46That is a missing element in this whole thing.
02:50The fact that this is a guy who's actually out to make a point and to actually physically harm her
02:57is visible from the video evidence that's already been played out.
03:02I think that the Gurugram police is not covering itself in glory by waiting for, you know, something to happen
03:11before they do this or even waiting for media pressure, which is anyway mounting.
03:16The fact is that we need to see two things.
03:20One, that the streets of the NCR region are full of unchecked bullies who need to be caught and immediately
03:29incarcerated.
03:30And the second thing is that the role that these cameras are playing, which is immensely positive, because without these
03:38cameras, we wouldn't have had the opportunity to actually see this line.
03:42I think this kind of thing needs to be actioned immediately and we must have more of these cases brought
03:51to Prushan.
03:53You know, I want to bring in Gaurav Bakshi into this conversation, because Gaurav Bakshi, you know, one can look
03:58at and question that why is it, Mr. Chairin raised the point, that the woman in question, who was hit
04:04by this car, all her family members, raised an FIR in this, you know, regard.
04:09Though she says that today, this evening, she will file an FIR.
04:12But why should the onus be on the victim here?
04:15Because clearly, you know, at one level, there is a sense of intimidation as well, that you might think that
04:21the people behind the car are, you know, the one behind the wheel is powerful to an extent that can
04:27harm you.
04:28The family could be intimidated.
04:30The police needs to step in.
04:34Piti, absolutely.
04:35So, this point that you've just made, the fear of consequences is what exists in the minds of the average
04:42citizen, particularly more so in women, because unfortunately, largely, the acts of intimidation, assault, etc., is usually targeted towards the
04:50weaker sex.
04:51So, in that case, there could be the element of fear which has not allowed them to come forward to
04:56file the police complaint.
04:58After they file the complaint is when the police can register the FIR.
05:01So, the FIR is the police's onus, not the complainants.
05:04But as you pointed out, it's the police's job to have, since they have Sue Moto registered the FIR, they
05:11could have automatically put the correct sections to allow for a harsher step being taken by bringing him into custody
05:18and questioning him.
05:20To set an example.
05:21Now, I want to just add a couple more points here.
05:24This is not an individual accident issue.
05:26This is conversion and use of a vehicle towards the attempt of physical intimidation and assault towards somebody else.
05:36It's not a simple traffic rule violation.
05:39So, we need to ensure that a harsher step is taken.
05:42Now, in terms of context, let's all understand, road crashes, as per MOT, the Ministry of Road Transport and Highways,
05:504,80,000 road crashes have taken place in India in the year 2023.
05:54That's a very high number.
05:56That's 1,300 crashes per day.
05:58And this results in over 1,072,000 deaths in that year.
06:03So, we're talking about a huge problem across India and an issue that causes a very large number of deaths
06:12that needs to be addressed.
06:14So, coming back to the issue, one of the issues of ensuring justice and where we lack is detection.
06:22Surety of detection, surety of enforcement and surety of punishment.
06:27This is also what emboldens and accuses, in this case, possibly this person, to be arrogant, brash, and know that
06:34he will get away.
06:35So, we need to fix these issues by bringing in proactive detection through AI technology, which can be easily done.
06:42Why are we waiting for the woman's video to become viral?
06:45Why do we not have technology in place that detects it in advance and the police acts immediately in real
06:51time?
06:51We are today well-equipped to do that.
06:53So, we need to bring in this proactive detection, action by the police, and certainty of punishment and enforcement.
07:02You know, it's just because accidents happen, unfortunately, on the roads.
07:08But this is not really an accident.
07:10This, as much as road rage, and this is also a man who is getting back at a woman because
07:14she didn't stop when he asked her to.
07:16I want to bring in, I think, if we have Mr. Razad back into this conversation, I want to pull
07:20him in again.
07:21Mr. Razad, once again, you know, what one can't understand is the lack of cohesive action by the Guru Gram
07:28police.
07:29Yes, there is no official FIR from the victim or the family.
07:32She says she's going to file one this evening.
07:34There is enough documentary evidence to prove that this was more than just, you know, an accident.
07:41And if the police has taken Suomoto cognizance and filed an FIR against unknown persons, what stops them from detaining
07:48the man in question?
07:50Well, you know, the most important thing, Kriti, in this case is that this is an open, brazen, Gundagardi on
07:57the streets of Gurgaon, whichever place it is, Parvalla, whichever place.
08:01And this cannot go…
08:04This was golf course road, sir.
08:06Yeah, this is on the golf course road.
08:08That's the main road of Guru Gram.
08:10And the evidence, you know, preliminary evidence which you have shown, it should have been registered at least as a
08:17culpable homicide, not amounting to murder straight away.
08:21The second thing is that the person should have been called for questioning.
08:24The third point is, it's true that the woman might be taking, shoring up her defences first, talking to the
08:32lawyers, and maybe the person involved has got some kind of an influence.
08:37And this is extremely important.
08:38But to keep the confidence of the people, it was extremely important for the police for an important case like
08:46this to come out to the press and say exactly what they are doing.
08:50One thing could be that they are checking the authenticity of the evidence, that is the electronic evidence which they
08:59have, you know, joining up all the, you know, things on the CCTV camera so they can have a kind
09:05of a sequence.
09:06But I totally agree with you that in such cases, it should be a zero tolerance case because it involves
09:15a woman.
09:15It's not only, it's not only a road rage.
09:19I think it's much, much beyond road rage.
09:22It is something which is, which is an attack against a woman.
09:25It is open, Gurdagarthi, on the streets of Gurgaon.
09:29And therefore, the strictest action must be taken against this man who's talking so openly on the TV.
09:36I mean, I'm surprised that he has still not been brought in for question.
09:40I understood.
09:42That's the question, Mr. Razad.
09:43You know, I think for every viewer who's watching this broadcast is only asking one question.
09:48Why is it that the Gurugram police has not taken any action against this man yet?
09:53The police commissioner of Gurgaon should be held to account.
09:57He should be asked by the civil society.
09:59He should be asked by the press.
10:01He should be asked by the TV.
10:02What exactly has happened in the last 24 hours?
10:06And one thing is very, very true, Preeti.
10:08What happens is the case is registered.
10:10But if the victim or the woman is harassed thereafter, you will see what happened to this case later.
10:17And therefore, it's extremely important to pursue this, not only by the police, but also by the civil society, to
10:23protect this woman.
10:25You know, fair point.
10:26I just want to take in final comments and I want to bring in Mr. Dilip Chairwin back into this
10:29conversation.
10:30I know, Gaurav, you want to pipe in.
10:31But Mr. Chairwin, to pull you back into this conversation, you know, the fact is, a lot of, you know,
10:36the assumption is,
10:37because there is this unbridled ego on how dare you not stop, it's only about women.
10:42Well, not really, you know, there could be a man also at the back of, you know, of where this
10:46woman was.
10:47But the fact is, it just goes unchecked.
10:50The sheer fact that it has been now nearly 24 hours and yet absolutely no action that has been taken
10:56by the Gurugram police.
10:58You know, Preeti, this is the reason why we need to focus on stories like this.
11:03Why we need to focus on incidents like this.
11:07It is really a question of the safety of half our population.
11:13If they are going to be terrorized in this manner by Gundagardi, as Mr. Azad says,
11:19then we need to find that the police are acting double fast.
11:24You know, don't forget that Golf Coast Road has enough cameras.
11:28It need not have waited for so long.
11:31And the more you wait, the more the chances that people will find all kinds of excuses.
11:37You already see one trotted out saying that the car is owned by an army person who has lent the
11:43car, etc.
11:44None of these are at all, you know, issues which are germane.
11:50This is a bully, Gundagardi and actually an attempt to murder.
11:56Fair point.
11:57Gaurav, you wanted to come in quickly.
11:59Final points.
12:00You know, Preeti, what's very upsetting when I watch this video is,
12:04one, you could clearly see him coming from behind,
12:06crossing over into the lane of the motorcycle where the lady was driving,
12:10and deliberately coming into the vehicle.
12:12It's very clear it was deliberate.
12:14There's no two ways about this.
12:15Secondly, on camera, the man goes ahead and tries to justify his action,
12:20and in fact, justifies it by blaming the lady for erratic driving.
12:24It's unbelievable how brash, arrogant this man is.
12:27So, he's not doing himself a favor by claiming all this nonsense on television.
12:31I think this is a clear case of strict action must be taken against him.
12:36But, you know, but Gaurav, fair point, and I want to bring in Mr. Razad in on this,
12:40because he's not doing himself any favors, but nor is the Gurugram police by not taking any action at all.
12:46And, you know, for all our viewers who are watching this, the fact is,
12:49there is video documentation of what really happened.
12:53Imagine the number of cases where exactly the same thing or worse happens,
12:58while there is no video documentation of it.
13:00I want to bring in Mr. Razad back into this conversation.
13:03Mr. Razad, what really needs to be done, why the letter of law is to be followed,
13:08even though the victim in question does not lodge an FYR?
13:13Because she said she will this evening.
13:15It hasn't happened till now.
13:18As I have been saying for years and years, Preeti, on your channel also,
13:24give the police the operational autonomy.
13:27Tell Gurugram police commissioner you are there for three years.
13:31Nothing will happen to you.
13:33And immediately the police will become accountable.
13:37Otherwise, the police will remain accountable to the political bosses.
13:41That is the bigger issue.
13:44And I have mentioned in my latest book also, Policing the Republic.
13:48Clearly, this is the issue.
13:51I thank all three of you for joining us.
13:53Thank you, sir.
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