00:00Right now, I think we finally have him later.
00:02Cyrus Brocha is with us.
00:06Cyrus, thank you for joining us.
00:08It's really, you know, not a laughing matter, and I know you concur with that thought.
00:12But I'm sure you've seen the video that is coming in from Gurgaon.
00:16Very clear.
00:17There are cameras.
00:18There's video evidence to suggest that this man in question,
00:21apparently there were four men in that car, on their own, of their own volition,
00:27ram into the bike that you can see coming in from behind.
00:31There is a point to prove.
00:33As much as this is about road rage, this is also about entitlement
00:36and a bruised male ego, I guess.
00:40Piti Farsi, thank you for coming to me.
00:42I'm a double PhD in psychology.
00:45I gave the degree to myself, both of them.
00:48And I must quickly, not to make light of this matter,
00:51for me, the whole thing is to do with male ego.
00:54And it's to do, if you go back to Manu Sharma or any of the other cases,
00:57it's all to do with rejection.
00:59Indian males are just not trained to accept rejection
01:02because we think the sun shines out of our, you know what,
01:04from the time we are born, the way we are treated.
01:06And this has not changed over generations, sadly.
01:09And I think that's the crux of the matter.
01:11Because what happened, basically, is he tried to interact.
01:14And the moment the interaction didn't go his way,
01:16he decided to behave like a spoiled boy and, you know, misbehave.
01:19It's all got to do with the ego.
01:21So it will go back to parenting for me, across the country,
01:23and across classes of society and all that.
01:25It's just the Indian male needs to accept rejection
01:29and understand that there's lots more things involved
01:33between males and females than just whatever he says
01:36and whatever he thinks should happen.
01:38You know, the dynamic is not that simple.
01:42But, Cyrus, you know, and I'm glad you're saying it
01:46and you're verbalizing it because most people
01:47who are watching this broadcast today are looking at it
01:50and saying this is road rage.
01:51No, this is not really road rage.
01:52This is also about what you speak of so clearly,
01:55a fragile male ego refusing to take rejection
01:58and it's not the first time it's happened.
02:00So do you think that this is, at least in this case,
02:04it's a gender issue and not so much as entitlement
02:06that I can ram into your car just because you refuse to stop?
02:13No, entitlement all follows.
02:14See, the fact that he was, the road rage follows.
02:16But it all comes with the male ego.
02:18Now, if he didn't have that fake male ego,
02:21which is this horrible, horrible thing,
02:22causes war and conflicts, everything is because of male ego.
02:25I've been studying this a lot.
02:26I have a lot of free time right now, so that's all I do.
02:29I'm very convinced about that.
02:31The fundamental issue is the male ego.
02:33Then it translates into all the things that, you know,
02:35that we're talking about right now.
02:37Particularly specifically to this case,
02:39with this young girl called Sia being on a bike,
02:40a guy comes, blah, blah, blah, road rage,
02:42if you want to use that term.
02:44But for me, it's his ego.
02:45The moment he got a sort of rejection,
02:47he tried to interact with her and she seemed to have,
02:49you know, said, please leave me alone.
02:50From there, he got upset because he wanted her to stop.
02:53We could see that in just a gesture.
02:55You don't have to have a conversation.
02:56You could see that was what was happening.
02:58And after that, he went into a rage.
03:01Why did he throw a tantrum?
03:02The same thing that happens in childhood
03:04when a guy was playing cricket with the other guys
03:06and, you know, takes the stumps and bats
03:08and goes back because you've given him out.
03:09It's just a male ego thing,
03:11which beyond a point,
03:12I don't understand how it's reached this.
03:15It's ridiculously Olympian-sized male egos
03:17around the country.
03:18And again, to go back to Manu Sharma,
03:21that's a celebrated case, so we know it.
03:23But there are many cases like this,
03:24where basically, out of a sense of rejection,
03:27the male misbegins completely.
03:30Saras, do you think it's endemic to our country?
03:32Is this endemic to India?
03:34The kind of behavior that you see where,
03:36vis-a-vis, maybe not women,
03:38but especially how easy it is
03:40to bruise the male ego in this country?
03:44Well, it might be more than India,
03:45but we're talking about, yeah,
03:47it's to do with us as parents
03:49or the generation before,
03:50the one before that.
03:52You've got to,
03:53men have to realize how to accept defeat,
03:55how to accept that things won't go their way,
03:57how to accept that
03:59the entitlement, as you said,
04:00the life is not made just for them,
04:02the other people in the frame,
04:03because it's always the same thing.
04:05However it translates,
04:06whether it's on the road or in a bar
04:08or in a restaurant or wherever,
04:10in the workplace,
04:11it always translates badly
04:13because you can't take the rejection.
04:15You have to learn to accept rejection
04:16and learn the art of conversation.
04:18If you want to talk to people
04:19or have a relationship
04:21or try to get to know someone better,
04:23male, female, or what have you,
04:25I think maybe if I was given more power
04:27in the country,
04:28I could maybe put up some tuitions or classes
04:30and help some struggling males.
04:32But I do believe it's to do with ego
04:33more than anything else.
04:36So the context is social,
04:38the context is cultural, Cyrus,
04:40as per you,
04:40but it's not that we don't have laws.
04:43It's not about implementation of laws.
04:45So you view this
04:46as a cultural, social context
04:48and that is why we are where we are?
04:52Okay, laws are going to punish you
04:53and stop you doing something.
04:54So that's like the last resort.
04:56Well before that,
04:57when a child is,
04:58a young Indian male is a child,
05:00he has to understand
05:01that he can't have his way all the time,
05:03one,
05:03that everything is not about him,
05:06that,
05:06and I'm saying this as a male
05:07because I see these qualities in me
05:09and people have pointed them out
05:10growing up,
05:10et cetera, et cetera.
05:11So it's not like,
05:12again,
05:13it's not that because you're in Gurgaon
05:14and maybe I'm in Chennai,
05:16I don't agree
05:17that it's only in the North
05:18that it's happening.
05:19This male ego thing
05:20is out of control
05:21and it's got to do
05:23with those early years.
05:24You know,
05:24because this idiot driving the car,
05:26I mean,
05:27I mean,
05:28how could he do that?
05:28It's like murder.
05:29How can you just
05:30drag your car into the bike
05:31because the girl
05:32showed no interest in you?
05:34Just look at it.
05:35I mean,
05:36there should be no sense of,
05:37he shouldn't get a defense
05:38in this case.
05:39There is no defense.
05:42No,
05:42there is no defense,
05:43but right now,
05:44you know,
05:44strangely,
05:45the Gurugram police
05:45has chosen
05:46not to even detain him,
05:47leave alone an arrest,
05:48and the charges Suomoto
05:50at that against him
05:51are nothing,
05:53reckless driving
05:54is the most severe of charges,
05:56so it's bizarre in that context,
05:57but I'll come to that later.
05:59You know,
05:59you say it's a cultural context,
06:01it's a parenting issue,
06:02it's a social context,
06:03but the fact is,
06:04Cyrus,
06:04how long do women
06:06of this country
06:07put up with brazen,
06:09what you speak of,
06:10the male ego,
06:11for how long
06:12will this continue?
06:13Because there has to be
06:13some solution to this.
06:15Do you make examples
06:16of these people?
06:19Before culture,
06:20it's sociological,
06:20and it's to do with
06:22the families
06:22and family dynamic,
06:23and yes,
06:24not just women,
06:25because he can take it
06:26out on other men also,
06:27of course,
06:27women get the worst of it,
06:29because the guy
06:29turns out to be a bully,
06:30because we don't know
06:31we become bullies,
06:32right?
06:32Suddenly we have bullies,
06:33they become bigger bullies,
06:34then we have power
06:35to become huge bullies,
06:36because we have the ability
06:37to now bully
06:38on a mass scale,
06:40and then you have
06:40this kind of thing
06:41that happens.
06:42Why?
06:43Why couldn't he just,
06:44you know,
06:44if he tried to interact
06:45with someone on the road,
06:46which is a stupid thing
06:47to do,
06:47and the woman rejects him,
06:49why can't he just
06:49keep driving?
06:50Why is he so hurt
06:51that he has to go
06:52and do this?
06:53And how dare he,
06:54how dare he
06:55ran the car into the,
06:56I mean,
06:56I have a daughter
06:57that age,
06:57I mean,
06:57it's ridiculous.
06:58How dare he do that?
07:00So why does he do that?
07:01We have to go back
07:02to the fundamental unit
07:03of family
07:03and how it all starts.
07:04And it's not just
07:05in the family,
07:06the grandmothers,
07:07the grandfathers,
07:07the fathers,
07:08everybody,
07:08the male child is,
07:09we've got to change
07:10the way we look at this
07:11completely.
07:11I've been saying
07:13maybe no male children
07:14for some time,
07:15just girls and dogs
07:16will be good.
07:17And then after five years,
07:18we start again.
07:19No,
07:20but what you speak of,
07:22Cyrus,
07:22will take about
07:23three or four generations
07:24to reach fruition,
07:26where at least
07:26in the social,
07:27cultural context,
07:28until then,
07:29how do you fill
07:30that gap
07:31where at least
07:32you put the fear
07:33of law
07:34in men
07:34like Kalyan Bessler?
07:39That follows now
07:40because,
07:40but the horse
07:40has sort of bolted
07:41when you start
07:42doing that,
07:42right?
07:43Because,
07:43you know,
07:43he's already done
07:44what he's done.
07:45So to make an example
07:46of him,
07:46you have to try
07:47and catch him
07:47and punish him.
07:48He has to be punished.
07:49I mean,
07:49she could have died.
07:50This is an attempt
07:51to murder.
07:51I mean,
07:52no less.
07:53It's just ridiculous.
07:54That all has to be done.
07:55We can't stop that.
07:56But like you mentioned,
07:58we have to go back.
07:59It'll take a couple
07:59of generations.
08:00We have to go back
08:01and start again
08:01and this time realize
08:03there's parity
08:03between male and female.
08:05Absolute parity.
08:06Nothing.
08:06No one's up.
08:06No one's down.
08:07This country,
08:08you know,
08:08just has never understood
08:10egalitarianism.
08:10That's why you use
08:11words like
08:11Saab,
08:12Sir,
08:12Maim,
08:13Saab,
08:13Madam.
08:14It's too much of that.
08:15You know,
08:15we need to just understand
08:16that people are on
08:17a level playing field.
08:18And that,
08:19you know,
08:19sometimes you get rejected.
08:21Sometimes you lose.
08:21Sometimes you don't get your way.
08:22Sometimes you have bad luck.
08:24You just have to accept it,
08:25you know,
08:25and get on with life
08:26and not cry like a baby
08:27and throw tantrums
08:28and try to murder
08:29someone on the highway.
08:30I mean,
08:31how can you defend this guy?
08:32I mean,
08:32it's just ridiculous.
08:33And on top of that,
08:34saying that he's drunk,
08:35there's no point
08:35saying he's drunk.
08:36That doesn't even come.
08:37In my mind,
08:37that's almost like
08:39giving you an excuse.
08:40Oh,
08:40he was not,
08:41you know,
08:41in his mental capacity
08:42was not there.
08:43No,
08:43no,
08:43no,
08:43no,
08:43no.
08:44This is,
08:45let's hope he's caught.
08:46Firstly,
08:47I'm trying to follow the case,
08:48but let's still catch him,
08:49right?
08:50No,
08:51well,
08:51you know,
08:51he's busy giving interviews.
08:54Kalyan Baisla,
08:54the man behind the wheel,
08:56there were at least three others
08:57is what we know,
08:57is busy giving interviews
08:59because till now,
09:00the FIR against him
09:02is from unknown persons
09:03which was filed
09:04by the Gurugram police,
09:05Suomoto,
09:06because the victim
09:07in this case
09:07could be because
09:08she is fearful
09:10that the person
09:11behind the wheel
09:11has influence
09:12or is intimidated,
09:13hasn't yet filed an FIR.
09:15She says she's going
09:16to file an FIR,
09:17but she hasn't yet
09:18filed an FIR.
09:19And the Gurugram police,
09:21Cyrus,
09:21has taken little action
09:23but a very weak FIR
09:25against unknown personnel.
09:27The man in question
09:28behind the wheel,
09:29Kalyan,
09:30is busy giving interviews
09:32and blaming the victim.
09:35Right.
09:36Right.
09:37Well,
09:37let's just hope,
09:38I mean,
09:38a major example is set here
09:40because,
09:40I mean,
09:40can you imagine
09:41a girl goes for a ride
09:42on a motorbike
09:42and then you try to kill her
09:43for no fault of hers.
09:45I mean,
09:45that's just ridiculous.
09:47Well,
09:48thank you,
09:48Cyrus,
09:48for joining us
09:49and thank you there
09:50for saying it
09:51for what it is
09:51because it is road rage
09:53but it's not just road rage.
09:55It is fueled
09:56by a bruised male ego
09:58who wanted
09:59to teach this girl
10:00a lesson on a bike
10:02because she didn't stop
10:03when he asked her to stop.
10:04And we on India Today
10:05are going to closely
10:06be following this case,
10:07especially asking questions
10:09to the Gurugram police
10:11on why is it
10:12that A,
10:13the FIR
10:13is as weak as it is
10:15even though
10:15there is visual documentation
10:16of exactly what happened
10:18and how is it
10:19that Kalyan Bessler
10:20is outside
10:22busy giving interviews,
10:24victim shaming
10:25and if not arrested,
10:27detained.
10:27And why is it
10:28that till now
10:29an attempt to murder charge
10:31hasn't been slapped
10:32against this man?
10:33one time.
10:33One time...
10:33One time...
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