00:00I just have to say that I object strenuously to your use of the word hilarious.
00:06To me this feels a lot like your reaction to being named in one of these manifestos.
00:12Now, you're of course not responsible for the words of somebody writing that document,
00:17but I do think that laughing at it is a real problem because these are real families that
00:23are impacted by this violence.
00:24And I think our efforts towards talking about this have to start from a place of mutual
00:29respect, which is what I've heard from this side of the table.
00:33Now, the reason we don't have those numbers, I want those numbers as much as you do.
00:37But to say the numbers don't show something is simply not supported by the data.
00:41Okay.
00:42And I have 38 seconds left, Ms. Mulligan, if you want to respond within that time.
00:48The only thing I would add is that it's in the name, terrorism, domestic terrorism.
00:54It terrorizes us.
00:56It terrorizes us in our homes.
00:58It terrorizes us in our schools.
01:01And to the points made by the other panelists, it is disproportionate to its impact on any
01:08individual life.
01:09And it's not.
01:09You reject the idea it's something that doesn't matter or it doesn't really matter.
01:12Absolutely reject.
01:13Okay.
01:14All right.
01:14So here's where we are.
01:15Every member now has had five minutes.
01:20Okay.
01:21And Mr. Clay, so we have two members who have not.
01:23So I'm going to go to the two members who have not yet.
01:25And we'll give an opportunity for a closing thought to any member who wants before we go.
01:29All right.
01:30Am I next to respond or is Mr. Meadows?
01:31I thought Mr. Meadows was next.
01:33Mr. Meadows.
01:47Okay.
01:47And so, you know, I find it unfair, Ms. Ballou.
01:53I mean, you know, candidly for you to show mutual respect and then you to go after Ms.
01:57Owens, it's not appropriate.
01:58So, Ms. Owens, you can have four minutes and 34 seconds to respond however you thought.
02:02Mr. Chairman, can you yield for a second?
02:03I'll yield.
02:05I believe, Ms. Owens, when you used the word hilarious, it was referencing the fact that
02:10no one had asked you a question.
02:12It wasn't to the subject matter of the hearing.
02:14Is that right?
02:15That is correct.
02:15And to have another witness insinuate something that is not accurate is just not appropriate,
02:20Mr. Chairman, for how witnesses are supposed to behave in front of this committee.
02:23I also think you didn't say it doesn't matter about the subject matter of today's hearing.
02:28You said there are other subjects that matter as well.
02:31And maybe we should spend some time on those.
02:33Is that accurate?
02:34That is correct.
02:35And they matter much, much, much, much more.
02:37And I have said that.
02:38I said that in my opening and I will say it again.
02:40You know that white supremacy and white nationalism is nowhere near, ranks nowhere near the top
02:45of the issues that are facing black America.
02:47And the reason that you are bringing them up in this room is because it is attempt to make
02:52the election all about race as the Democrats.
02:54Not in my case, Ms. Owens.
02:55Please don't cut me off.
02:56Please do not characterize my motives.
02:57Mr. Chairman, it's my time.
02:59It's my time.
03:00You've got your time, Mr. Menes.
03:01I'll give you three more seconds.
03:03Every four years you bring up race and you knew exactly what I meant when I said hilarious
03:07and you just tried to do live what the media does all the time to Republicans, to our president
03:12and to conservatives.
03:13But you tried to manipulate what I said to fit your narrative.
03:17Okay?
03:17I was not referring to the subject matter that is hilarious.
03:20I said it's hilarious that we are sitting in this room today and I've got two doctors
03:24and a missus and nobody can give us real numbers that we can respond to so we can assess
03:27how big of a threat this is because you know that it is not as big of a threat as
03:32you are
03:32trying to make it out to be so you can manipulate.
03:35And the audacity of you to bring up the Christ Church shooting manifesto and make it seem as
03:40as if I laughed at people that were slaughtered by a homicidal maniac is, in my opinion, absolutely
03:47despicable.
03:48And I think that we should be above that.
03:49To try to assign reality or any meaning to a homicidal maniac writing a manifesto, which, by the way, let
03:56the record show, also stated
03:58Spyro the dragon, the child's cartoon as a source of inspiration.
04:02He also cited Nelson Mandela as a source of information.
04:05I don't think, I don't think that Nelson Mandela has inspired mosque shootings.
04:09You can correct me if you think I'm wrong.
04:11You are, you would rather assign meaning to a homicidal maniac than to actually address
04:16that I said, the things that I said today that are actually harming black America.
04:20Number one, father absence.
04:22Number two, the education system and the illiteracy rate.
04:25Illegal immigration ranks high, abortion ranks high, white supremacy, and white nationalism,
04:30if I had to make a list again of 100 things, would not be on it.
04:34This hearing, in my opinion, is a farce, and it is ironic that you're sitting here and you're
04:39having three Caucasian people testify and tell you what their expertise are.
04:43Do you want to know what my expertise are?
04:44Black in America.
04:45I've been black in America my whole life, all 30 years, and I can tell you that you guys
04:49have done the exact same thing every four years ahead of an election cycle, and it needs
04:53to stop.
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