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Миграционный кризис в Сеуте испытал солидарность ЕС: спор евродепутатов в The Ring
На этой неделе в программе The Ring — спор евродепутатов о миграционном кризисе в Сеуте, роли Марокко, реакции Испании и солидарности ЕС.
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00:13Продолжение следует...
00:30Since thousands of people arrived irregularly on EU soil in Ceuta,
00:34we take a look at how a tragedy in Spain has become a crisis for Brussels
00:39and what the adequate response should be.
00:42To begin, here's our Luis Albertos with this refresher.
00:47Last July, tens of thousands of irregular migrants crossed from Morocco into Ceuta,
00:52a small Spanish city on the North African coast.
00:56More than a month later, with 150 casualties and thousands still stranded in Ceuta,
01:01the situation remains critical and the political fallout huge.
01:06This week, Ceuta's leader came to Brussels to address this issue.
01:10Spain is still trying to find out what happened and how.
01:12Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez says the far right is exploiting the crisis.
01:17Meanwhile, people are taking the street and opposition parties calling for him to step down.
01:22But this story goes far beyond Spain.
01:25Italy introduced temporary border controls on all those arriving from Spain,
01:29prompting Spain to respond with checks on arrivals from Italy,
01:32putting pressure on Europe's Schengen system of free movement.
01:36Can Europe come together in a crisis like this?
01:39Did Spain receive enough support?
01:41And has the EU migration pact unraveled just as it started being enforced?
01:49The questions we have for our panelists.
01:52Let's meet them.
01:54Tomasz Fedechowski, a Czech MEP from the Central-Right European People's Party.
01:58A former journalist, he sits on the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs,
02:03as well as the Committee on Budgetary Control and the Special Committee on the European Democracy Shield.
02:08An advocate for stronger external borders and faster asylum procedures, he says,
02:12Europe does not have to choose between humanity and security.
02:16We need both.
02:17We must protect people who genuinely flee persecution,
02:20control who enters our territory,
02:22fight smugglers and return those who have no right to stay.
02:26Birgit Zippe, a German MEP from the Socialist and Democrats Group.
02:29She is a member of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs
02:33and currently chairs the European Parliament's Working Group
02:36overseeing implementation of the EU Migration and Asylum Pact.
02:40She was also the Parliament's rapporteur for the new EU screening rules at external borders.
02:44She says,
02:45The only answer to events like we have seen in Theuta is European solidarity.
02:50Member states must stand together and respect EU and international law
02:54when dealing with instrumentalized migrants.
03:00Thomas Heljowski and Birgit Zippe, thank you so much for joining us.
03:04Welcome to The Ring.
03:05The idea here is to give our viewers a glimpse of how your real debates unfold right here in the
03:11hemicycle.
03:12So let's begin.
03:13In your humble opinion, who do you think is responsible for this mass illegal border crossing back at the end
03:19of July?
03:20No, we don't have clear evidence, but after years that we see,
03:25I think there are different actors who again and again try to test the European Union and its values.
03:30So it might be third countries, governments, criminal gangs, social media, Internet,
03:37and with that also big tech companies.
03:39So it's a mixture and we are not yet there to precisely find out who was doing all this in
03:46the event of Ceuta.
03:48And how would you assess Spain's handling of the situation, the Spanish government of Pedro Sánchez?
03:53I have to say that I disagree with this conclusion.
03:58Yes, of course, we have many actors who are responsible for this situation,
04:02but also we have a political responsibility,
04:07and this is the responsibility of the Spanish prime minister, Mr. Sánchez.
04:11He was informed before this situation from the Spanish intelligence.
04:16He had an opportunity to send it to some forces there.
04:22So what should he have done?
04:23He didn't react on the situation very well.
04:26What should he have done? What would you have done?
04:27He should have it there, clear evidence who is now in Ceuta.
04:33He has to proceed with these people.
04:36He has to decide...
04:38But what would you have done?
04:39Because this is huge. We're talking about almost 80,000 people.
04:43He has to take control about Ceuta, and he has to negotiate with Morocco.
04:49This is the problem that is on two sides, Spain and Morocco.
04:54Pedro Sánchez is obviously part of your political family, the socialists.
04:58Did he mishandle this crisis, do you think?
04:59I don't care who is in government and from which political party.
05:03But whenever things like that are happening to what country ever,
05:07the first thing that we have to do is show solidarity,
05:10which is also part of the common European asylum system,
05:14which should be implemented and enforced since the 12th of June this year.
05:19And if you really believe something has been done
05:22from any member state within the European Union, you can check.
05:26But the first reaction also is showing solidarity,
05:29because otherwise we tell third countries,
05:31you can test us, we are weak.
05:34And therefore I miss solidarity.
05:36There was no solidarity, let's be honest.
05:38It was during the summer vacation as well that this incident happened.
05:41We didn't see any solidarity from any countries.
05:44But, sorry, how we can show the solidarity
05:47if Spain doesn't ask us for what they needed from us?
05:52They said we have everything under the control.
05:55Was that a mistake?
05:57How did it take to ask so late for help?
05:58I think the Spanish government did what they could do in that concrete situation.
06:03Because, yes, nearly 80,000 people arrived irregularly,
06:07but the big majority of them could be returned to Morocco within only hours.
06:13So I think they did their best in the very concrete situation.
06:17But, of course, as still some people are remaining in Ceuta,
06:21which is a very small part.
06:23So they still need support, how to deal with those who are still staying there.
06:28I disagree with them,
06:30because I was in a mission in Melilla last week with EPP.
06:35We had it there, really many MEPs,
06:38where we are experienced in immigration issues.
06:43And in this time we asked,
06:46because we had a meeting also with policemen,
06:49what were present on our meetings,
06:52and we asked Pedro Sanchez for bringing Frontex to Melilla and Ceuta
06:58to help with the situation.
07:01What was his reaction?
07:02It was a reaction that no one will dictate him what he will do.
07:07And now his reaction is take only 10 people to Ceuta
07:12to proceed who is who and proceed the situation
07:16and return the people back to Morocco.
07:19Do you want to respond to that?
07:21I had to laugh a little bit,
07:22because you did not answer the question
07:24what precisely Sanchez should have done
07:27in the situation when the people were upon arrive.
07:30Now you say he should have asked Frontex to come.
07:33But for what purpose?
07:35To hinder people to leave the sea and enter the country,
07:38to shoot them down?
07:39I don't understand what Frontex could have done
07:42to improve the situation.
07:44Sorry, but I will respond now very clearly.
07:48If you have an emergency situation,
07:51first what you have to do is make the situation secure and clear.
07:57And I think this is the send it 500 soldier or 500 policemen to Ceuta.
08:05And is it unrealistic also to think that one country alone
08:07can manage on an EU external border
08:09when this kind of episode happens?
08:10And it's good to remind our viewers
08:11this is not the first time we've seen this happen.
08:15That's true.
08:17That's why I would like to repeat again and again.
08:20This is not really only a question on migration.
08:23Third country actors are testing us.
08:26We have seen it, for example, at the Polish Belarus border,
08:30where people, human beings were abused,
08:33were pushed and brought to the border.
08:35Now we see the same thing in Ceuta.
08:38And I think the question, therefore, is much broader.
08:41And we have to ask the question
08:43why third country actors are doing that,
08:46why they are testing us.
08:47And that's even more a reason to be united in solidarity.
08:51Well, on that very point,
08:52we did see the president and the mayor of Ceuta.
08:55He was here in Brussels this week with a cry for help,
08:59saying that his city is, quote, on the edge of the abyss.
09:02Speaking to the press, Juan Jesus Bibas,
09:04a member of the European People's Party,
09:06said that the Ceuta Institute should prompt Brussels
09:10to reconsider its collaboration with Morocco.
09:12Take a look.
09:19This behavior and this event, from our point of view,
09:22was possible due to the complicity of Morocco
09:25or the consent of Morocco, one or the other.
09:33And I think it's a very serious situation
09:35because this means that their behavior
09:37is entirely unacceptable
09:38and it is a lack of respect to Ceuta,
09:41to Spain and to the European Union.
09:45Juan Jesus Bibas there.
09:47What exactly can concretely the EU do now,
09:49apart from, of course, engaging in this blame game?
09:52We can help to find the bridges between Spain and Morocco
09:55because the communication,
09:58how do you see,
09:59doesn't function very well in this moment.
10:02Do you trust Morocco?
10:03Yes, I trust Morocco because Morocco,
10:05it's really a partner in many issues
10:08and especially in security,
10:10help us a lot to fight the Islamic terrorists.
10:14Also, they give us many information.
10:16This is why we have to talk with Morocco.
10:19Now, first of all, I'm surprised that my colleague says
10:21he trusts Morocco,
10:23but Spain should stop cooperation with Morocco.
10:26But if they would have stopped cooperation,
10:28how could they have brought back people?
10:31I think what we have to do now,
10:32today in the current situation,
10:34is to help Ceuta.
10:36And one question could be,
10:38what should we do with the people
10:39who are still staying there?
10:41Do we have places within Ceuta
10:43and do they need more money,
10:45more staff to deal with them?
10:46Or is it having in mind
10:48that we are mostly talking about
10:50unaccompanied minors, even children,
10:52that they should be brought
10:54to European member states
10:55according to the Pact of Migration
10:58as a matter of solidarity
10:59so that their procedures will be done there
11:02and then to decide
11:04if they can stay or have to go back.
11:06Okay, that is another debate, of course,
11:08that's being held right now in Brussels
11:10on whether or not that solidarity mechanism
11:12exists or not.
11:13But now it is time to move on
11:14to the next round.
11:19So now it is time to get a real flavour
11:22of how the European Parliament Chamber
11:23really works
11:24when members of the European Parliament
11:26ask direct questions to each other.
11:29So I'd like to start with ladies first
11:30and allow you please to address
11:32your first question to Tomas.
11:33Thank you very much.
11:34And I will come back to something
11:35I mentioned just a minute ago
11:37and I would like to ask you
11:38if you would agree
11:39to support a relocation
11:41of unaccompanied minors, children
11:44to help Souta
11:45and calm down the situation
11:47and thus also using the solidarity mechanism
11:51in the European Pact of Migration.
11:53Yes, I will respond to you directly.
11:56If there are some children and women
11:59in Souta,
12:00of course,
12:01we can send them directly to Spain
12:04and proceed them
12:05if they are here illegal migrants
12:08or they are refugees.
12:09But my response will be
12:11that really I have it very good evidence
12:14about the situation in Souta
12:16and 99% of people
12:19who cross the borders
12:21are men who are there illegally
12:23and they don't need our solidarity
12:26and they don't need our help.
12:28They need to be proceeded
12:29and return back to the Morocco.
12:31It's clear.
12:32But that's not true.
12:33There are children remaining in Souta
12:36and we should not ignore that.
12:37Yes, but it's really very small.
12:41Would the Czech Republic welcome?
12:42In the Czech Republic
12:43we are prepared to help Spain
12:45to solve the situation.
12:46We are prepared to send it there
12:48our policemen
12:49who will proceed these people
12:51and who will control
12:51who can cross the borders
12:53and who can help.
12:53But not welcome unaccompanied minors?
12:54No, no, no.
12:55We are absolutely strict
12:56against these quotas
12:57and this quota system
12:59help only extremists
13:00to grow up in the European Union.
13:03Sorry, but we are not talking
13:05about extremists.
13:06You cannot say
13:07they are all extremists
13:08without having any proof.
13:10And now you say
13:11you are not willing
13:13to enforce
13:14the European impact
13:16on migration
13:17which needs to be used
13:19since the 12th of June.
13:21So you are going
13:22even against European legislation.
13:24No, I am saying
13:25that we have three types
13:27of help
13:27how we can help the states.
13:30and one of the type
13:32of the help
13:32is sending there.
13:34We can send there
13:35our forces
13:36and really bring
13:38the situation
13:38to the normal.
13:39Okay, and now
13:40your question, please.
13:41My question is very easy.
13:43Do you think
13:43that really Spanish government
13:45did his work
13:46and they respond
13:48on the situation
13:49adequately?
13:52Now, first of all,
13:53we have to understand
13:54having in mind
13:55that within hours
13:5680,000 people
13:58arrived in Ceuta.
14:00The reaction
14:00was very good.
14:01And I think
14:01it was helpful
14:02that the people
14:04at the front
14:05opened the doors
14:06of the fences
14:07because otherwise
14:08even more people
14:09would have died.
14:10And it was very helpful
14:11that immediately
14:12the Spanish government
14:14took contact
14:15to Morocco
14:15and that also,
14:18again,
14:18it feels like ours,
14:20most of the people
14:21could be returned.
14:22So yes,
14:23in the current situation
14:24they reacted perfectly.
14:26and now let's see
14:27what together
14:28as European Union
14:29we can do
14:30with the remaining people.
14:32Follow-up?
14:33Yes,
14:34my second question,
14:35do you think
14:36that all these people
14:37who cross the borders
14:39with Ceutas
14:40are refugees
14:41or how big percentage
14:43of the people
14:44who cross the borders
14:45with Ceutas
14:46are really,
14:47real refugees?
14:49Now,
14:50I don't know
14:51what you mean
14:51with real refugees.
14:53I think
14:53the big number
14:55of people
14:55that arrived
14:56within only hours
14:57only shows
14:58that there must have been
15:00a kind of orchestration,
15:02misinformation
15:03that was organized
15:05to bring the people.
15:06So I'm quite convinced
15:08that not everybody
15:09is an asylum seeker
15:11and needs
15:11international protection.
15:13Many were coming
15:14maybe to have
15:15another perspective,
15:16economic refugees,
15:18but that's something
15:20that we have to elaborate.
15:21We have to check
15:22who needs
15:23international protection,
15:24who not.
15:25And those
15:26who don't have
15:26a right to stay,
15:27of course,
15:28have to be brought back
15:29to Morocco
15:30if they are Moroccans.
15:31One final last question
15:32for Thomas.
15:33Now,
15:34I also would like to know
15:35how you see
15:36the situation.
15:38You fuel the debate
15:39about disinformation,
15:40saying this has happened
15:41because of
15:46regularization
15:46of migrants.
15:47but this did happen
15:49already
15:49a long time ago
15:51and other member states
15:52also did regularize
15:54people.
15:55So why do you see
15:56a connection
15:57between regularization
15:58of people
15:59and in this case
16:00of Spain,
16:01they mainly
16:01were coming
16:02from South America
16:04with the current situation.
16:07I have to say
16:08thank you very much
16:08for this question.
16:09I responded
16:10many times.
16:11I said
16:11there is many
16:12disinformation
16:13what we have to fight.
16:15this is why
16:16really
16:17I was very active
16:18in UDS
16:19and
16:20I am fully supporting
16:23stop
16:25stop
16:26for
16:28anonymized
16:29accounts
16:29what can really
16:31be so strong
16:32as normal accounts
16:33and they have
16:34the same responsibility
16:35as our
16:37normal accounts
16:38in the social media
16:40because
16:40many of these
16:42things happen
16:43thanks to
16:44disinformation
16:45from the
16:46third actors
16:47and then
16:47about the situation
16:48in Spain
16:48the people
16:50from the
16:50from the
16:51South
16:52South America
16:54came to Spain
16:55for long times
16:57the problem
16:58of the Spain
16:59government
16:59is that
17:00Spain government
17:01doesn't react
17:02and doesn't return
17:03these people back
17:04if they
17:05don't have
17:06visas
17:06or they don't
17:07have permission
17:08to stay.
17:09That is the views
17:10may I react
17:11because they arrived
17:12with the visa
17:13but they started
17:14working
17:15and obviously
17:16they are needed
17:17in Spain
17:17that's why
17:18they were
17:18regularized
17:19but I'm happy
17:20that you say
17:21maybe regularization
17:22was not the problem
17:23but misinformation
17:24and I hope here
17:25we could work
17:26together
17:27by the way
17:28I don't think
17:29the problem
17:30is anonymous
17:31accounts
17:32because I see
17:32more and more
17:33people doing
17:34ugly things
17:35in the net
17:35while using
17:37their real name
17:38but let's
17:39talk about that
17:40later
17:40and now
17:41it is time
17:41to hear
17:42from another
17:42voice
17:46I'd like to
17:47bring in the
17:47voice now
17:48of the US
17:48President
17:49Donald Trump
17:50he's been
17:50getting involved
17:51in this
17:51conversation
17:52about Celta
17:53he's spoken
17:53out sharply
17:54against Spain
17:55declaring
17:56that it is
17:56quote
17:56very sad
17:58what is
17:58happening
17:59in Spain
17:59a country
18:00with zero
18:01control
18:02over its
18:03borders
18:03so why
18:04is Donald
18:05Trump
18:05getting involved
18:06in this
18:06conversation
18:07no I think
18:08there is a
18:08long history
18:09Donald Trump
18:10has a big
18:11interest
18:11in weakening
18:12European Union
18:13he's not only
18:14doing pressure
18:15with tariffs
18:16he's accusing
18:18us whenever
18:19we try
18:20to force
18:21for example
18:21big tech
18:22to follow
18:22our rules
18:23our legislation
18:24he's saying
18:25we are acting
18:26back
18:26and a weak
18:27European Union
18:28a union
18:29that is split
18:29is good
18:30for the
18:31American
18:31President
18:32because Trump
18:32wants to
18:33make deals
18:34individually
18:34with every
18:35each and every
18:36member state
18:36so he has
18:37an economic
18:38aim in this
18:39and this is
18:40a direct attack
18:40of course
18:41on Pedro
18:41Sanchez
18:42the Prime
18:42Minister
18:43of Spain
18:44we know
18:44that Donald
18:45Trump
18:46hates
18:46Pedro
18:47Sanchez
18:47he doesn't
18:48have it
18:49very good
18:49relation
18:50with him
18:51and with
18:51current
18:51Spanish
18:52government
18:52also
18:53he
18:53every
18:54time
18:54claims
18:55something
18:56against
18:56Spain
18:57and I
18:57would like
18:58to say
18:58part of
19:00this tweet
19:00was true
19:01but I am
19:02absolutely
19:02sure
19:03that
19:03really
19:04he
19:06politicized
19:07much more
19:07this debate
19:08from his
19:09view
19:10from US
19:10view
19:11to show
19:12Pedro
19:12Sanchez
19:13that he
19:14is the
19:14loser
19:15of the
19:16situation
19:16I think
19:17if you
19:18as a
19:18big leader
19:19of a
19:20big
19:21country
19:21need to
19:23call
19:23another
19:23political
19:24leader
19:25a loser
19:25this shows
19:26back
19:26to yourself
19:27and I
19:28think
19:28the real
19:29argument
19:29is
19:30he
19:30hates
19:30that
19:31Sanchez
19:31is not
19:32trying
19:32to
19:33charm
19:33him
19:34to
19:34get
19:34something
19:35but
19:35he
19:35has
19:35taken
19:36a
19:36strong
19:36position
19:37I
19:37describe
19:37only
19:38the
19:38situation
19:38I
19:39don't
19:39charge
19:39Mr.
19:40Trump
19:40or
19:40Mr.
19:41Sanchez
19:41well
19:42Trump
19:42of course
19:42facing
19:42midterm
19:43elections
19:43in
19:44just
19:44two
19:44months
19:45but
19:45on
19:45that
19:45point
19:45we
19:46can
19:46close
19:46this
19:47conversation
19:47on
19:48Donald
19:48Trump
19:48weighing
19:48into
19:48this
19:49debate
19:49but
19:49stay
19:50with
19:50us
19:50here
19:50on
19:50The
19:50Ring
19:50as
19:51we
19:51take
19:51a
19:51very
19:52short
19:52break
20:01welcome
20:02back
20:03to
20:03The
20:03Ring
20:03your
20:04news
20:04weekly
20:05debate
20:05show
20:05I'm
20:05Maeve
20:06McMahon
20:06and
20:07for
20:07this
20:07episode
20:07I'm
20:08joined
20:08by
20:08the
20:08MEPs
20:09Tom
20:09Masatovsky
20:10and
20:10Birgit
20:11Sippel
20:11and
20:11we're
20:11taking
20:12a
20:12closer
20:12look
20:13at
20:13the
20:13South
20:14migration
20:14crisis
20:15and
20:15how
20:15it's
20:15actually
20:15impacted
20:16the
20:16whole
20:17European
20:17Union
20:18we
20:18also
20:18saw
20:18this
20:19week
20:19Denmark
20:19hosting
20:20talks
20:20with
20:20four
20:21EU
20:21countries
20:22on
20:22how
20:22to
20:22speed
20:23up
20:23the
20:23creation
20:23of
20:23migrant
20:24return
20:24hubs
20:25outside
20:25the
20:26European
20:26Union
20:26but
20:27according
20:27to
20:28the
20:28EU
20:28border
20:28agency
20:29Frontex
20:30the
20:30number
20:30of
20:30returns
20:31actually
20:31went
20:32up
20:32this
20:32year
20:3333,000
20:34people
20:34were
20:34returned
20:35to
20:35non-EU
20:36countries
20:36in the
20:36first
20:36half
20:37of
20:37this
20:37year
20:37that's
20:38up
20:38from
20:3830,000
20:39in
20:40the
20:40first
20:40half
20:40of
20:41last
20:41year
20:41an
20:41increase
20:41in
20:42around
20:4210%
20:43and
20:44around
20:44two
20:44thirds
20:44returned
20:45voluntarily
20:4521,000
20:47compared
20:47with
20:4819,000
20:49this
20:49year
20:49so
20:50we
20:51don't
20:51really
20:51have
20:51a
20:51crisis
20:52on
20:52our
20:52hands
20:53right
20:53Tomas
20:53yes
20:53we
20:54have
20:54to
20:54continue
20:55with
20:55returns
20:55I
20:56think
20:56it's
20:56very
20:57good
20:57news
20:57that
20:57the
20:58number
20:58is
20:59growing
21:00but
21:00really
21:01it's
21:02very
21:02important
21:03to
21:03send
21:03a
21:04very
21:04strong
21:04signal
21:05if
21:06you
21:06are
21:07not
21:07here
21:08legal
21:09you
21:09have
21:10to
21:10go
21:10back
21:10to
21:11your
21:11country
21:11your
21:12reaction
21:12first
21:12of all
21:13we
21:13have
21:13to
21:13realize
21:14that
21:15in
21:15the
21:15last
21:15two
21:15years
21:16the
21:16number
21:16of
21:17the
21:17overall
21:17arrivals
21:18already
21:19went
21:19down
21:19nevertheless
21:20if
21:21people
21:21have
21:21no
21:22right
21:22to
21:22stay
21:22it's
21:23okay
21:23that
21:23we
21:23return
21:24them
21:24to
21:24their
21:24country
21:25of
21:25origin
21:25the
21:26return
21:26hubs
21:26are
21:27a
21:27totally
21:27different
21:28question
21:28because
21:29return
21:29hub
21:29means
21:30we
21:30bring
21:30people
21:31to
21:31a
21:31place
21:31they
21:32don't
21:32know
21:32where
21:33they
21:33have
21:33never
21:33been
21:34it's
21:34expensive
21:35and
21:36we
21:36make
21:37ourselves
21:37relying
21:38on
21:39third
21:40countries
21:40to
21:41do
21:41that
21:41I
21:41think
21:41that's
21:42not
21:42a
21:42good
21:42option
21:42I
21:43think
21:43it's
21:43really
21:44Australian
21:44solution
21:45they
21:46have
21:46the
21:46same
21:47solution
21:48and
21:48we
21:48are
21:49inspired
21:50by
21:51some
21:52countries
21:52I
21:52think
21:53that
21:53it's
21:53not
21:54optimal
21:54but
21:54what
21:55is
21:55it
21:55optimal
21:55are
21:56you
21:56inspired
21:57by
21:57the
21:57Australian
21:57situation
21:58of course
21:58I
21:58was
21:59in
21:59many
21:59countries
21:59to
22:00inspire
22:00how
22:00to
22:01proceed
22:02migration
22:03and
22:03I
22:03think
22:04after
22:04many
22:05debates
22:06here
22:06in
22:06European
22:06Parliament
22:07I
22:07am
22:07here
22:0713
22:09years
22:09also
22:09I
22:10think
22:11that
22:11it's
22:11really
22:12one
22:12of
22:13the
22:13solution
22:13what
22:14we
22:14have
22:14to
22:15do
22:15I
22:16don't
22:16agree
22:17and
22:17if
22:17I
22:17may
22:18add
22:18one
22:18sentence
22:19linked
22:19to
22:20the
22:20return
22:20hubs
22:20it's
22:21not
22:21only
22:21that
22:22I
22:22believe
22:22the
22:22return
22:23hubs
22:23are
22:23totally
22:24ineffective
22:25will
22:25not
22:25help
22:26but
22:27it's
22:27also
22:27the
22:27procedure
22:28that
22:28was
22:29decided
22:29to
22:30bring
22:30people
22:30in
22:31the
22:31return
22:31regulation
22:32that
22:33we
22:33deny
22:34very
22:34fundamental
22:35rights
22:35to
22:35people
22:36and
22:36simply
22:36bring
22:37them
22:37back
22:37so
22:38there
22:38is
22:38some
22:39things
22:39to
22:39do
22:40to
22:40protect
22:40the
22:41foundation
22:41of
22:41European
22:42Union
22:42which
22:43is
22:43rule
22:43of
22:43law
22:43and
22:43fundamental
22:44rights
22:44just
22:45last
22:45week
22:46we
22:46saw
22:46the
22:46AFD
22:46do
22:47very
22:47well
22:48in
22:48Saxony
22:48Anhalt
22:49is
22:49that
22:49due
22:49to
22:49migration
22:50one
22:50of
22:50the
22:50major
22:50issues
22:51that
22:51they
22:51kind
22:52of
22:52won
22:52the
22:52elections
22:53on
22:53I
22:54think
22:54the
22:55result
22:55in
22:55the
22:55elections
22:56has
22:57many
22:58grounds
22:58it's
22:59two
22:59to
22:59one
22:59hand
23:00the
23:00issue
23:00of
23:00migration
23:01was
23:01very
23:02popular
23:02was
23:02very
23:03often
23:03mentioned
23:03but
23:03at
23:04the
23:04same
23:04time
23:05especially
23:05Saxony
23:06Anhalt
23:07is
23:07a part
23:07of
23:07Germany
23:08where
23:08you
23:08hardly
23:09find
23:09many
23:10migrants
23:10so
23:11that's
23:12not
23:12an
23:12issue
23:12but
23:13I
23:13think
23:13this
23:14also
23:14adds
23:15into
23:15a
23:15feeling
23:15that
23:16people
23:16believe
23:17that
23:18politicians
23:18don't
23:19show
23:20interest
23:20in
23:21their
23:21real
23:21life
23:21situation
23:22and
23:22on
23:23the
23:23other
23:23hand
23:23you
23:24have
23:24a
23:24political
23:24party
23:25like
23:25AFD
23:26who
23:26is
23:26very
23:26far
23:27right
23:27wing
23:27and
23:28is
23:28purely
23:29lying
23:29into
23:30the
23:30faces
23:31of
23:31people
23:31and
23:31unfortunately
23:32they
23:32don't
23:33realize
23:33that
23:33and
23:34have
23:34our
23:34integration
23:34policies
23:35failed
23:36Tomas
23:36I
23:38so
23:38you
23:39can
23:39see
23:39the
23:39situation
23:40in
23:40the
23:40Czech
23:40Republic
23:41we
23:41had
23:41500
23:42thousand
23:43of
23:44refugees
23:45from
23:45Ukraine
23:46and
23:46they
23:46are
23:47fully
23:47involved
23:48in
23:48the
23:48Czech
23:49society
23:49also
23:49we
23:50have
23:50it
23:50here
23:50really
23:51half
23:52million
23:52of
23:52people
23:53what
23:53are
23:54working
23:54what
23:55are
23:55living
23:55with
23:56us
23:56they
23:56have
23:57it
23:57the
23:58children
23:58goes
23:59to
23:59the
23:59schools
24:00and
24:00they
24:00are
24:00fully
24:01integrated
24:01they
24:01speak
24:02on
24:02the
24:02other
24:02side
24:02of
24:03the
24:03coin
24:03you
24:03believe
24:03that
24:04all
24:04those
24:04arrived
24:08I
24:09said
24:09that
24:09many
24:09of
24:11them
24:12have
24:12criminal
24:12history
24:13and
24:14they
24:14really
24:15went
24:15from
24:15Morocco
24:16for
24:17the
24:17purpose
24:17to
24:17have
24:18better
24:18life
24:19if
24:20I
24:20am
24:21correct
24:21you
24:21just
24:21said
24:21many
24:22of
24:22the
24:2280
24:22thousand
24:22irregular
24:23migrants
24:23have
24:24criminal
24:24backgrounds
24:25we
24:26have
24:26it
24:26there
24:27are
24:27many
24:27of
24:27the
24:27people
24:28you
24:28can
24:28check
24:29them
24:29is
24:30there
24:30evidence
24:30of
24:30that
24:31no
24:31there
24:32was
24:32no
24:33screening
24:33done
24:34no
24:34questioning
24:35of
24:35the
24:35people
24:36especially
24:36regarding
24:37the
24:37big
24:38majority
24:38who
24:38already
24:39went
24:39back
24:40to
24:40Morocco
24:40no
24:41one
24:41asked
24:41them
24:42question
24:42about
24:43their
24:43background
24:43so
24:44you
24:44can't
24:44say
24:44the
24:45majority
24:45has
24:46a
24:46criminal
24:46background
24:46we
24:47have
24:47many
24:47instruments
24:48I
24:48was
24:48also
24:49soldier
24:50I
24:50was
24:50on
24:50the
24:50borders
24:51also
24:51you
24:51have
24:52it
24:52many
24:52instruments
24:53how
24:53to
24:53screen
24:54the
24:54people
24:54when
24:55you
24:55don't
24:55have
24:56data
24:56I
24:56need
24:57only
24:57your
24:57face
24:58and
24:58I
24:59can
24:59really
24:59check
25:00where
25:01the
25:01people
25:01is
25:02from
25:02and
25:02what
25:03he
25:03will
25:04do
25:04here
25:04and
25:05where
25:05he
25:05was
25:05last
25:07two
25:07days
25:07ok
25:08well
25:08now
25:09it
25:09is
25:09time
25:09to
25:09move
25:09on
25:10to
25:10our
25:10fifth
25:10and
25:11our
25:11final
25:11round
25:11here
25:12on
25:12the
25:12ring
25:16as
25:17always
25:17now
25:17for
25:18the
25:18fifth
25:18round
25:18we
25:18like
25:18to
25:18do
25:19something
25:19a
25:19little
25:19bit
25:20different
25:20I'm
25:21going
25:21to
25:21ask
25:21our
25:21guest
25:21a
25:22set
25:22of
25:22questions
25:23and
25:24you
25:24are
25:24allowed
25:24reply
25:24with
25:25either
25:25yes
25:25or
25:26no
25:26oh
25:26good
25:27is
25:27that
25:27the
25:27over
25:28ok
25:28you
25:29can
25:29it
25:29a
25:29shot
25:30first
25:30question
25:31did
25:31Spain
25:31lose
25:31control
25:32of
25:32its
25:32external
25:33EU
25:33border
25:33yes
25:34or
25:34no
25:34yes
25:35no
25:35yes
25:36or
25:36no
25:36no
25:36could
25:37Pedro
25:37Sanchez
25:38resign
25:38because
25:38of
25:39this
25:39crisis
25:39yes
25:40or
25:40no
25:40yes
25:40no
25:42did
25:42Brussels
25:43leave
25:43Spain
25:43alone
25:44yes
25:44or
25:44no
25:45member
25:46states
25:46left
25:47Spain
25:47alone
25:48did
25:48Brussels
25:49no
25:49did
25:50member
25:50states
25:50leave
25:51Spain
25:51alone
25:51no
25:51we
25:52helped
25:52them
25:53with
25:53all
25:54the
25:54information
25:54and
25:55all
25:55the
25:55support
25:55what
25:56they
25:56asked
25:56did
25:57Morocco
25:57use
25:58migration
25:59for
25:59political
25:59leverage
26:00yes
26:00or
26:00no
26:00yet
26:01no
26:01evidence
26:01for
26:02that
26:02yes
26:03or
26:03no
26:03we
26:03have
26:04to
26:04investigate
26:04them
26:05is
26:06another
26:06incident
26:07inevitable
26:08yes
26:08or
26:08no
26:10without
26:11solidarity
26:11of
26:12European
26:12Union
26:12it
26:13can
26:13happen
26:13again
26:14no
26:16was
26:17Italy
26:17right
26:17to
26:18suspend
26:18Schengen
26:19temporarily
26:20yes
26:20or
26:20no
26:20it
26:20was
26:21ridiculous
26:22yes
26:23I
26:23agree
26:23I
26:24think
26:24it
26:24was
26:24very
26:25good
26:25idea
26:25so
26:26you
26:26disagree
26:27I
26:28disagree
26:28because
26:28really
26:29in
26:30the
26:30situation
26:31when
26:31systematically
26:33really
26:34there
26:34is
26:34no
26:35dialogue
26:35between
26:35the
26:36Spanish
26:36government
26:36and
26:37other
26:37member
26:38states
26:38about
26:38illegal
26:39migration
26:40and
26:40about
26:40the
26:41situation
26:41what
26:42they
26:42are
26:42now
26:42doing
26:42but
26:43sorry
26:43it's
26:43ridiculous
26:44Ceuta
26:45is not
26:45even
26:46on the
26:46European
26:47continent
26:48they
26:48are
26:48not
26:49even
26:49part
26:50of
26:50the
26:50Schengen
26:50area
26:51so
26:51none
26:52of
26:52those
26:52people
26:53ever
26:53arrived
26:54in
26:54Spain
26:54so
26:54why
26:55are
26:55you
26:55willing
26:55to
26:56control
26:56any
26:57kind
26:57of
26:57travel
26:58reaction
26:58it's
26:58only
26:59the
26:59reaction
26:59to
27:00say
27:00that
27:01Spain
27:01have
27:01to
27:02take
27:02control
27:02above
27:03the
27:03borders
27:03that's
27:04not a
27:04reason
27:05to
27:05start
27:05for the
27:06controls
27:06that's
27:07against
27:07the
27:07legislation
27:08is
27:09is
27:09Schengen
27:09in
27:10serious
27:10trouble
27:10yes
27:10or
27:11no
27:11if
27:12member
27:12states
27:13act
27:13wrongly
27:14then
27:15yes
27:15yes
27:16yes
27:16okay
27:18and did
27:18you agree
27:19with
27:19anything
27:19you've
27:19heard
27:20from
27:20Tomas
27:20today
27:20not
27:21much
27:21and did
27:22you agree
27:23with
27:23anything
27:23yes
27:24I think
27:25two three
27:25percentage
27:26of the
27:26words
27:27that I
27:27heard
27:27that's
27:28the view
27:28from
27:29the
27:29MEPs
27:29we would
27:30love
27:30to hear
27:31your
27:31opinion
27:31on
27:32this
27:32debate
27:32please
27:33reach
27:33out
27:33the
27:34ring
27:34at
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27:35news
27:35dot com
27:35that
27:35is
27:36our
27:36email
27:36address
27:37in
27:37the
27:37meantime
27:37thank
27:37you
27:37so
27:37much
27:38for
27:38joining
27:39us
27:39thank
27:39you
27:39so
27:40much
27:40for
27:40watching
27:40take
27:40care
27:41and
27:41stay
27:41with
27:41us
27:41here
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