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Жилищный кризис - испытание для социальной стабильности Европы? Схватка евродепутатов на "Ринге"
В новом выпуске программы "Ринг", транслируемой из Европейского парламента в Брюсселе, депутаты Европарламента Дирк Готинк (ЕНП) и Мария Охисало (Зеленые) встречаются лицом к лицу и обсуждают растущий жилищный кризис в Европе.
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В новом выпуске программы "Ринг", транслируемой из Европейского парламента в Брюсселе, депутаты Европарламента Дирк Готинк (ЕНП) и Мария Охисало (Зеленые) встречаются лицом к лицу и обсуждают растущий жилищный кризис в Европе.
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00:25Продолжение следует...
00:30...the housing crisis.
00:33Europe's housing crisis is no longer looming.
00:37It's already squeezing those least able to afford it.
00:41Renters and low-income households.
00:44Over the past decade, prices have surged while wages have stagnated,
00:48leaving millions struggling to afford basic housing.
00:52The pressure is especially intense in southern Europe,
00:55where rising rents over tourism and short-term rentals in cities have pushed locals out,
01:01fueling protests and political backlash.
01:04At the same time, there is a lack of infrastructure.
01:07Countries like Germany and the Netherlands are missing construction targets and deadlines,
01:11while waiting lists for social housing keep growing.
01:15The European Union is pushing for more investment and simpler rules
01:18to boost affordable housing supply.
01:20But governments remain divided on how far to go.
01:24The crisis is no longer just about housing.
01:26It is becoming a test of Europe's economic model and social stability.
01:31So who should pay to fix it?
01:32And how?
01:36A lot to unpack here for our contenders, and here they are.
01:42Dirk Gotting, a Dutch MEP from the Central-Right European People's Party.
01:47He serves in the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs
01:49and is the Vice-Chair of the European Parliament's Special Committee on the Housing Crisis in the EU.
01:54Regarding the EPP-led housing report, recently adopted by the European Parliament,
01:59he said,
01:59The EPP Group wants more affordable homes, build faster.
02:03We need simpler EU rules to cut red tape, speed up permits
02:06and treat housing with the same urgency as defence projects.
02:11Maria Ohisalo, a Finnish MEP from the Greens European Free Alliance Group.
02:15She previously served as Finland's Minister of Environment,
02:18managing policy on construction and housing.
02:21As an MEP, she is a member of the Special Committee on the Housing Crisis.
02:24Critical of the Central-Right-backed housing report
02:27recently adopted by the European Parliament,
02:30she said,
02:30In this report, housing is not considered primarily as a human right
02:34and as a cornerstone of dignity,
02:36but as a tool that can be used for speculation.
02:39So let me welcome to the ring Dirk Gotting and Maria Ohisalo.
02:43Great to have you here.
02:44Good to see you.
02:45Thanks for the invitation.
02:46I think the core question right now is why are housing costs rising faster than wages almost everywhere?
02:54One of the key questions is the speculation, financialisation of housing market,
03:00that homes are not considered primarily as human rights,
03:03but as asset classes for big hedge funds, companies, private investors.
03:08And then just saying that we should build and get more investors to the market,
03:13this will not solve the problem.
03:14We need more affordable housing and available housing for everybody.
03:19But somebody has to build them, right?
03:20Exactly.
03:21And this kind of state-sponsored sort of subsidies will only drive up more of the prices.
03:26We want to fix the problem in the market because building materials are getting very expensive,
03:32which is one of the reasons why housing prices go up.
03:35But also governments try things like rent controls and all kinds of other stimulating,
03:40demand-stimulating measures that also drive up prices.
03:44Because what happens if you can get more money from the bank?
03:48That is, that the sellers of houses will start increasing their prices.
03:51And this is not financial speculators.
03:54These are citizens who have paid their entire lives to buy one or maybe a second house,
03:59and then you treat them as if they're criminals.
04:02And if they're not allowed to sell, there can be speculators.
04:06I did not say that only public investment will solve the problem.
04:11But we have no experience of any country in the world that could have solved the housing crisis
04:15by only building more private housing.
04:19No, we need a mixed model.
04:21And also tackling the short-term rentals, which was also in the insert.
04:24This is a key question, not only in the southern Europe, but also back home, up north in Rovaniemi, Lapland.
04:32This is a place where students can afford to live in the city center anymore because it's packed of short
04:37-term rental homes.
04:38Well, homes are being built, as we speak, not only at the places where we need the most.
04:45Why is that so?
04:46Well, the problem with Europe is that there's no one-size-fits-all.
04:49That's why we cannot have one single policy on housing, and we don't want that.
04:53Because local authorities like mayors and municipalities, but also regional authorities,
05:00they need to be on the front line of solving the housing crisis.
05:04In Europe, we can help them.
05:06We can help them with things like what I said, making sure that the market for building materials works,
05:13changing state aid rules, because indeed we need a mixed approach of public and private investment
05:19so that we can also invest in middle-class affordable housing.
05:24Because your introduction said it was mostly the lower salaries that had problems, lower income groups,
05:31but in fact it has become a generalized middle-income crisis in Europe.
05:35The problem is that we also have a lot of vacant homes around Europe,
05:40especially the ones that are used for speculative reasons.
05:43And this is where the governments can step in.
05:46The EU can actually be there to inform the governments to maybe introduce vacancy taxes,
05:53maybe introduce different taxes for speed-up sellings,
05:57so that you should maybe maintain the home for two years or three years,
06:01and then after that sell it.
06:03Then one problem is also that when we then state subsidize affordable housing,
06:09after 20, 30 years, these homes are actually sold into the market.
06:13And this is also a huge problem, so that when state is subsidizing something,
06:17they should maintain affordable and they should maintain the state subsidized.
06:23Now, the housing increases has been a long time coming.
06:26We know this for years.
06:28And it has only gotten worse.
06:30Why hasn't been done anything?
06:32Well, because the challenge is also very big.
06:35Demographic change in Europe is very large.
06:38The influx of also people from around the world is significant, especially in certain countries.
06:45But again, there is no single solution to the problem.
06:49What we need is that people are not criminalized for investing in a home.
06:54And often, in many places, their homes are their pensions,
06:58because in countries like Finland and the Netherlands,
07:01pensions are organized via your income at your employer.
07:05But many people in other parts of Europe,
07:07actually, they buy a house in order to secure income after they retire,
07:13which means that we need to respect and protect those properties as well,
07:19because this is very important for citizens around Europe.
07:22So my approach would be find a balanced approach,
07:26see where Europe can help get out of the way of construction, for example,
07:30because there are a lot of rules around building a house.
07:34And everything that has to do with a house is regulated by Europe.
07:38And in the Netherlands, for example,
07:40we are going slower than we could because of environmental, often.
07:45And it's not because I'm against the environment.
07:47No, it's because I want to build houses.
07:49I guess there's more red tape than just environmental, right?
07:53But to be honest, in the report that we were writing
07:55in the European Parliament on housing crisis,
07:57EPP was willing to cut birds and habitats directive,
08:02nature restoration legislation, energy efficiency legislation,
08:07very important tools to tackle the climate crisis,
08:10the biodiversity crisis at the same time
08:12when we need to tackle the housing crisis.
08:14So this is really a problem that we are backing
08:17in this big, big ecological crisis at the same time,
08:21only by saying that we need more simplification
08:23and we need more cutting the red tape.
08:25This will not solve building faster
08:28and low quality homes will not solve the problems
08:31of climate change, altering our ways of living.
08:36Summer is becoming hotter and hotter,
08:38floods affecting our housing also.
08:41So we need to tackle all the crisis at the same time.
08:43What about companies like Airbnb?
08:46How do they distort the market?
08:47And we've seen big cities like Amsterdam, Barcelona,
08:51you know, restricting this.
08:52Yes, yes.
08:53No, they can have a huge impact in the big tourist destinations.
08:57My colleague mentioned Lapland, but also Amsterdam
08:59or any go around any big city in the Mediterranean.
09:03The issue is that some colleagues of mine
09:06want to go for the headline and say
09:08Europe needs to solve the problem.
09:09But there's nothing mayors and local authorities
09:12cannot do at the moment to solve the problem.
09:16Amsterdam has the strictest rules
09:18on short-term rentals in all of Europe.
09:21So be careful with asking for Europe to solve a problem
09:24which everyone actually already can do on their own.
09:28But this is something that we are now waiting eagerly
09:31from the commission that they would give a proposal
09:33on short-term rentals again.
09:35There was one done last term, but it was not enough.
09:38And I'm afraid that the regular people
09:40are not put into the center of the legislation,
09:43that we're not looking at the affordability,
09:46but we're only looking at touristification.
09:49And of course, the Greens will not ban the whole Airbnb
09:52and short-term rentals in general.
09:54But we want to make the local authorities able
09:57to use all the tools in their hands.
10:00I bet there are still ways that EU can also instruct,
10:03let's say, on the times how long the places can be
10:07on Airbnb or other short-term rentals schemes.
10:12We need open registries of all the actors in the sector.
10:16And we need to really think whether in very, very affected areas
10:22we should maybe think about the bans,
10:24because there are these from Lisbon to Robaniemi.
10:27But this should absolutely not be done from a European level.
10:30These are local and national decisions,
10:31and you don't need Europe to solve a national problem.
10:34And that's what we're doing.
10:35But then also, Europe should not say
10:37that you should not use all the tools that you have on your hands,
10:40like in some case.
10:41All right.
10:43Well, let me stop you here, as we're just getting warmed up.
10:50Now it's time for our viewers to get a real flavor
10:53of the European Parliament Chamber,
10:54where members ask each other questions.
10:57And sometimes it can get heated.
10:59That means it's time for you to challenge each other directly,
11:03just as you do in the hemicycle behind us.
11:07So let's get started.
11:09And I'll start with Maria.
11:11All right.
11:13As was mentioned,
11:15climate crisis is one of the biggest crises
11:17we are facing as humankind.
11:19And good ways to cut emissions in housing
11:23are making renovations accessible for everybody all over Europe
11:27and boost energy efficiency.
11:30In the negotiations, as I already mentioned,
11:34anyhow, EPP wanted to dismantle quite a lot of these tools.
11:39And you were not willing to have, for example,
11:43dedicated funding for renovations in the EU level
11:46to really make housing affordable and sustainable at the same time.
11:52So why is this?
11:54Well, to be fair, at the moment from, for example,
11:57the recovery fund money and also from the current MFF,
12:01which has opened up, for example,
12:03the cohesion funds for investments in housing,
12:07there has never been more European money
12:10going into housing investments than at the moment.
12:13And that is because the EPP has been pushing this agenda
12:17for a long time.
12:19Secondly, whenever we invest,
12:20we don't do that with a blank check.
12:22Of course, there are standards.
12:24And I fully agree.
12:25And that's why we put that also in the report
12:26that we need energy efficient housing.
12:29There's no point in giving someone a house
12:32which then costs a lot in income to heat, for example.
12:37So we need energy efficiency.
12:38In fact, in Europe,
12:40we have the highest building standards in the world.
12:42People forget that.
12:43But in all these rules,
12:44in all these rules that we have made
12:46and the standards we have built,
12:47there are also some that we don't need
12:50and that are excessive.
12:52For example, minimum heating temperatures
12:55for corridors where nobody comes in winter.
12:58Some things we should be able to look at pragmatically
13:01and not only dogmatically and say,
13:03oh, if you touch a nature-related law,
13:07then you're against the environment or climate.
13:09That's not true.
13:10What we want is to fix some of the complexity
13:13that is in the legislation.
13:15And everyone tells us, everyone,
13:16the builders, the investors,
13:18everyone tells us,
13:19please make it easier to invest,
13:22make it easier to build,
13:23and then the houses will come.
13:25No one is against cutting the unnecessary red tape.
13:29But then when it really comes to just building faster,
13:33just building lower quality,
13:35it will not solve the biggest crisis we have on our hands.
13:38Okay, short comment.
13:39But now your question to Maria.
13:41Well, my question would be about this approach.
13:43What we urgently need is a simplification package
13:46from the Commission about the rules and laws
13:51that have to do with building houses
13:53or the environment around the houses.
13:55So the soil, the air quality, the water quality,
13:59everything that has to do there.
14:00And even Nature 2000, yes, the Habitat Directive.
14:03These are things where you can make targeted simplifications
14:07in order to solve a basic, basic problem
14:11that has, in fact, to do with the dignity of people,
14:13and that is building houses,
14:15making sure that everyone has a house
14:17and a roof over their head.
14:19And why can you not simply talk with us on that issue?
14:24If I'm pragmatically giving you the answer from this house,
14:27the reality here is that EPP quite often tends to choose
14:31the cooperation with the far-right parties in this house,
14:34not the so-called von der Leyen majority
14:36with EPP, S&D, Renew and the Greens,
14:39which was very good on the previous mandate.
14:43And now suddenly EPP has this huge wave of simplification
14:47and everything just has to deal with cutting the red tape and so on.
14:52And this really has led to problems.
14:55If in this house, if commission gives something here
14:58and suddenly EPP here chooses the cooperation with far-right,
15:03then we will see dismantling of all these really important legislation,
15:08not only fixes here and there,
15:10but it will dismantle the big picture of our nature protection climate actions here.
15:15So what we see is that my colleague moves away
15:18from solving the problem for people
15:20and starts talking about the political games
15:22here in the European Parliament.
15:24That is a big mistake. Big mistake.
15:26Are you going away?
15:27What we should put in the center,
15:28what we should put in the center is trying to solve the problem.
15:31In the EPP group, many of my colleagues voted in favor
15:35of all the laws that you mentioned.
15:37They are not in favor of dismantling all of it.
15:39So stop making that kind of narrative basically mainstream,
15:45because it is not.
15:45You will find that we voted also in favor of the climate targets.
15:49We voted for a lot of the important things that you're referring to.
15:53So don't tell us that we want to dismantle it.
15:55What we want, and also looking at the outside world,
15:58I mean, we are not living in a bubble.
16:01Our global competition is killing our economy.
16:04Yes, it is affecting how much money we have,
16:07for example, to invest in housing.
16:09We need to get our activator.
16:11This is a very disruptive period of history for us.
16:15Of course, we have climate change,
16:16but we're also fighting for economic survival in the world.
16:20Yes, and regarding this,
16:22if we want to see housing crisis as a real European crisis,
16:25then everybody should be involved as actors.
16:28It should be the European Union level, the institutions, EIB.
16:31It should be the member states, national governments,
16:34and the municipalities.
16:36And maybe we should talk about the deficit rules.
16:39And what if you said that housing should be dealt together
16:42in a similar way than defense is dealt in the European Union level?
16:47So would you then agree that we would exclude housing actions
16:51from the deficit rules as we've done for the defense questions?
16:55No, on those fiscal issues, I even think that on defense it is not helpful
16:59because the markets, they don't care if Brussels give exceptions
17:03or they think, oh, no, you can make more deficits.
17:07The markets look at your ability to pay back your deficits.
17:09But the member states are interested in that.
17:12And now many countries are not building enough affordable housing.
17:15Thank you both so far.
17:16I think we've heard your arguments very clear.
17:18Thank you very much.
17:20Now it's time to bring in a new voice into this debate.
17:27And here we'd like to bring in French Prime Minister Sébastien Lecornu.
17:32In January, during a press conference on France's national plan
17:36to address the housing crisis, he said this.
17:39I have no doubt that we will be closely watched
17:42for our collective ability to succeed
17:44and deliver 2 million homes by 2030.
17:48Housing is one of the major emergencies in the country.
17:53Dirk, you're coming.
17:55Building 2 million homes, is this the ultimate solution?
17:59It's a good election slogan.
18:01It's a good election slogan.
18:02For the French elections.
18:03But honestly, start with one and then do another one
18:08and then do another one.
18:10Putting long-term targets.
18:12I mean, it's interesting for the communication,
18:14but nobody can live in a promise.
18:16Is that realistic?
18:18Well, actually, in the introduction,
18:20there was already a mention about some countries,
18:23Germany, for example, a big EU country
18:24that has no proper targets.
18:26This is a problem.
18:27If we don't see where we're heading,
18:29obviously we're not doing enough efforts to reach it.
18:32Can the EU meet climate goals without worsening the housing crisis?
18:38Definitely.
18:39If we decide to do so,
18:41we have proper EU legislation on cutting emissions,
18:45the 2040 target by cutting 90% of our emissions.
18:49This is a very good example to show to the rest of the world
18:52that the EU is still working,
18:54even though there's a lot of discussions
18:56that we should maybe back on our climate targets.
18:59But at the same time,
19:00taking all the tools that we have on our hands,
19:02as I mentioned,
19:03from the EU level to national governments,
19:05to municipalities,
19:06and taking the best practices into use,
19:08even though if it's not European Union
19:11or Parliament Commission
19:12that can solve the crisis by itself,
19:15let's say there's a good practice on housing first,
19:17for example.
19:18This has been a very functional tool
19:20in cutting down the numbers of homelessness.
19:24Finland has been the country
19:25that actually was nearly reaching the goal
19:27of eradicating all homelessness in our country.
19:31The question is always who pays for upgrades, right?
19:33Does that push rents even higher?
19:34It's a good question.
19:35And I agree that the approach in Finland
19:37has been very interesting and successful.
19:40But Finland is also one of the richest countries in the world.
19:43We cannot replicate what Finland has done
19:46in all other member states.
19:47I want to talk about young people after the break.
19:50We'll be back with more.
19:52Don't go away.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring,
20:03Euronews' weekly debate show.
20:05I'm Stefan Grobe,
20:06and I'm joined by Dirk Gotink
20:08from the European People's Party
20:09from the Netherlands
20:10and Maria O'Hisalo
20:12from the Greens
20:13from Finland.
20:14In this edition,
20:15our guests are debating
20:16Europe's housing crisis,
20:18and I'd like to bring in
20:19some numbers
20:21from Eurostat.
20:22Roughly one-third,
20:2430% of income
20:25is now spent on housing
20:26in Southern Europe.
20:28Around 80%
20:29of low-income households
20:31in Greece
20:32are overburdened
20:33by housing costs.
20:35Then,
20:35between 65% and 70%
20:38of young adults in Italy
20:39still live with their parents.
20:4226 years
20:43is the average age
20:44Europeans leave home,
20:46but 30-plus
20:47in Southern Europe.
20:49I promise we talk about young people.
20:52they are under pressure
20:54for various reasons here.
20:55What do you tell them
20:56when they say,
20:56I can't find an apartment,
20:58I have to stay with my parents,
20:59I want to move on.
21:00What do you tell them?
21:02I tell them that
21:03in the European Union level
21:05and also in the member states,
21:06the Greens are fighting
21:07in order to get
21:09the homes
21:10more affordable
21:11for everybody.
21:12If it's not
21:12the first-time buyers,
21:15not too many people
21:16can afford
21:16to buy their own homes
21:18before they are 30
21:19or something more,
21:21but at least
21:22to be able to rent.
21:24And right now,
21:25the problems
21:25are in the speculation,
21:27in the market
21:28where big companies
21:29are taking over.
21:30It's not often
21:31the people
21:32who might own
21:33even a couple of
21:33or even more homes.
21:35That's not the problem.
21:36The small-scale investors,
21:39but the big investors,
21:40the lack of willingness
21:42in the European Union level
21:43to tackle
21:44the short-term rentals
21:45crisis we have
21:46in many countries
21:47and the lack of willingness
21:48to really invest
21:50in public,
21:53really public
21:54affordable housing
21:55in all the member states
21:56and take the best practices
21:57into you.
21:57So we're working on this.
21:59What about this lack
22:00of willingness
22:00that she is?
22:02Well, I think
22:03the housing crisis
22:04is in the top three
22:06political topics
22:08in every member state
22:10in Europe.
22:11So there's not
22:12a single politician
22:13that is not aware
22:14that this is one
22:15of the main challenges
22:17of the future.
22:18And especially
22:18if we want to give
22:20a bit of hope
22:20and perspective
22:21to the young generation.
22:23In the Netherlands,
22:24you need to have,
22:25if you want to buy,
22:27you need to have
22:2790,000 euros in cash,
22:29minimum,
22:30to be able to get
22:31on the buying market,
22:33which is crazy.
22:34Normally,
22:35a student probably
22:36has more debt
22:37coming out of university
22:38than they have cash
22:39on their bank account.
22:40So it's not realistic
22:42and it's unfair
22:42because parents,
22:45rich parents of children
22:46that get on the market
22:48will get an advantage
22:49over the ones
22:49that have less
22:51financial abilities.
22:53One problem
22:54is homelessness.
22:55And we're seeing
22:56that homelessness
22:57is on the rise
22:57in Europe,
22:58even in some
22:59of the richest countries.
23:01And that the people
23:03who are affected by this,
23:04sometimes they have jobs,
23:05but they just cannot
23:06afford an apartment.
23:09How are we going
23:10to tackle this?
23:10It has a lot to do
23:11with accessibility
23:12of areas
23:13with more affordable housing
23:16because one of the issues
23:17we see everywhere
23:18is that in the capital
23:19of your country,
23:21it's almost impossible
23:22to buy or rent anymore.
23:26So you see younger families,
23:28for example,
23:29going out
23:29into the periphery cities.
23:31And if these cities
23:32are not well connected
23:33with train
23:34or road connections,
23:36then obviously
23:37it is much more difficult.
23:38Is housing a social good
23:40or a market commodity?
23:42Both.
23:43It should be a human right.
23:45And while tackling
23:48homelessness,
23:49housing first principle
23:50is the key to solve it.
23:52So you first give
23:53the home to a person.
23:54That is where,
23:55if you can also invest
23:56into services
23:57to this person
23:58who has probably lived
23:59in the streets
24:00for years,
24:02then this person
24:03can maintain the home
24:04and will not be kicked out
24:06to the streets again.
24:08And if we just wait
24:10for the person first
24:11to get rid of their
24:12substance abuse problems
24:13or get a job
24:15from the street,
24:16this will not happen.
24:17So give the home first
24:19and this will solve
24:20the whole problem.
24:21Okay.
24:22Now we're going to move on
24:23and it's time
24:25for our fifth
24:26and final round.
24:31We want to do
24:32something different here.
24:33I'm going to ask you
24:34a set of questions
24:35and you can only answer
24:36with a yes or no,
24:39if that's okay.
24:41Can the EU meaningfully act
24:43when housing policy
24:45is mostly national or local?
24:48Yes.
24:48Yes?
24:49Yes, definitely.
24:50Okay.
24:51Should Brussels take
24:52a stronger coordinating
24:53or funding role?
24:55Yes.
24:56Yes.
24:56Funding, yes.
24:57Coordinating, no.
24:58Should governments impose
25:00strict rent controls
25:01to limit price increase?
25:04Show me where it worked.
25:07We have different opinions
25:09about this in our political group
25:10here in the parliament.
25:12Personally, I would say no.
25:14No.
25:15Should foreign investors
25:16face limits or bans
25:18on buying residential property?
25:20Yes, definitely.
25:21Now we can talk about it.
25:26Should zoning laws be relaxed
25:29to allow denser construction
25:30in urban areas?
25:32Yes.
25:33It depends on the set
25:35of other legislation also
25:37when it comes to nature,
25:39climate and so on.
25:40So rather no.
25:44Rather no.
25:46Should vacant properties
25:47be taxed
25:48or expropriated
25:49to bring them
25:50onto the market?
25:51Yes.
25:55In highly populated
25:57urban areas,
25:58if you leave
25:59properties vacant
26:00for too long,
26:02I would say
26:03personally,
26:04yes,
26:05you need to be able
26:05to nudge
26:06the property
26:07back onto the market.
26:08ask what's going on here.
26:10We already have
26:11that possibility
26:11in the Netherlands
26:12in some places
26:13and I think
26:14you can think about that.
26:15But it's not Europe
26:16deciding that.
26:17It's the national authority.
26:20Should the EU
26:20allow more public spending
26:22and debt
26:23to build social housing?
26:25Well,
26:25that is what's being done
26:27now
26:28in a limited way.
26:29So
26:30that's a yes.
26:32Yes.
26:33Yes.
26:33Should home ownership
26:34be actively promoted
26:36or should policy
26:37accept
26:37a long-term
26:38shift
26:39towards
26:40renting?
26:41We need both.
26:43Home ownership
26:44is the basis
26:45for
26:45people's stability
26:47in life
26:48and yes,
26:49it should be promoted.
26:50Good.
26:51All right.
26:51Last question.
26:52Have you agreed
26:54with anything
26:55you've heard
26:55from your
26:56opponent today?
26:58Yeah.
26:59Yeah.
27:00Yeah.
27:00The housing first
27:01in Finland.
27:02It's a very successful
27:03approach.
27:04Okay.
27:05And I agree
27:05that a lot
27:06of the problems
27:07people are faced
27:08with
27:08cannot be solved
27:09if someone
27:10is on the streets
27:11and they need
27:12simply a roof
27:14over their heads.
27:15Okay.
27:15I really like the fact
27:16that you want to see
27:17defense and housing
27:18crisis on the same level.
27:19I really want to see
27:20this switch
27:21in the narrative
27:22in the whole
27:23European Union level.
27:23And that final answer
27:25brings us
27:26to the end
27:27of this edition
27:27of The Ring.
27:28Thanks to our audience
27:29at home.
27:30If you like,
27:31you can continue
27:31the conversation
27:32by sending us
27:33your comments
27:34to
27:35thering
27:35at
27:36euronews.com.
27:37That's it for today.
27:38I'm Stefan Grobe.
27:40Take care
27:40and see you soon
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