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Willard and Dibs join Steiny and Guru on a Wednesday edition of the Crossover. The guys welcome the official start of the 2026 NFL season, discuss some reported issues within the 49ers' ownership group, and more.
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00:00Let me tell you what my new name is, Jawan Jennings.
00:03Trade me or pay me.
00:06Take him in.
00:07Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:12All righty, it's time for the crossover brought to you by Bay Alarm.
00:16Rest easy, we've got you covered.
00:17Bayalarm.com, let's welcome in Willard and Dibs.
00:21First, let me ask you this.
00:23Is it toasty again out there today?
00:25Oh, my God.
00:26Beyond.
00:26Is that hotter than yesterday?
00:2891 in the city.
00:30It's definitely hotter than yesterday.
00:32And, I mean, I left the East Bay and I left before it got hot, but I got in here
00:37and the
00:38temperature gauge said 91.
00:40I thought if it's 91 here, that means in, I don't know, Livermore or Conker's or Buck
00:465, Buck 10 maybe.
00:48I didn't look at your lower half.
00:50Shorts or no shorts?
00:51Shorts every day.
00:52Always.
00:54And me never.
00:55Okay, gotcha.
00:57Not to work.
00:58Yeah.
00:58I've actually, I've grown up in that regard too.
01:01I don't wear shorts anymore to work.
01:03Yeah, you used to wear.
01:04I used to wear shorts.
01:05So you're implying that I have not grown up?
01:07No, I'm just implying that I did.
01:09In my way, I use that as a way to, you know, be more professional about who I am and
01:17what
01:18I represent here in the workforce.
01:20I think the answer was yes.
01:21It's just work for me.
01:22Exactly.
01:22It's a quicker way of saying it.
01:23Yes.
01:24Right.
01:24Yeah.
01:24You know, it works for you and sure.
01:27I mean, you can cast your own judgments and aspersions as you see fit.
01:32Here's the way I look at it, Dibbs, is, you know, I think the PGA, you know, requires that
01:40the pro golfers wear long pants.
01:42Right.
01:43Now, I think early in the week, they are allowed to wear shorts and some of them do
01:47during those celebrity rounds and maybe even a practice round.
01:50It's a pro-am, but yeah.
01:51You can wear them and some choose to do that and I choose not to anymore.
01:57Okay.
01:57I'm going to stick with the long pants.
02:00I just, whether I'm, you know what, whether I'm here at work or doing something a little
02:04less, you know, important like the summit, I still, give me the long pants.
02:09Yeah.
02:09And that's fine.
02:0995, that's something that you get to decide for yourself.
02:13Sure.
02:14For example, today I went on a, it was a business brunch with the great people at Red Cross.
02:21Sure.
02:21And this is what I wore, the poncho that is dirty and has multiple holes and shorts.
02:29And you know how the meeting went?
02:32Swimmingly.
02:33That's good.
02:33Crushed it.
02:34I guess the question is, why the poncho if it's 91?
02:37Because it's the good luck poncho and it's the poncho I was wearing when I ostensibly
02:44met my wife and it's something that makes me feel confident and happy.
02:50And so today I thought, you know what?
02:52We're going shorts.
02:53We're going poncho.
02:55We're going to meet with the great people at the Red Cross.
02:57We're going to talk about my blood type.
02:59Oh, positive.
03:00Positive.
03:01And we're going to knock this thing out of the park.
03:03My man.
03:04You having the word positive in your blood type is a shocker.
03:07I mean, I'm a very positive person.
03:10That is an upset.
03:10You know.
03:10And in general, I think the theme of the week has been this group of four people wearing
03:17the wrong thing on the lower half of their body at the wrong time.
03:20That seems to be what we got going on.
03:22Oh, man.
03:22We're wearing jackets when it's 90 degrees.
03:24We're wearing jeans on boats.
03:26Oh, my gosh.
03:26We're having a hard time this week.
03:28Yeah.
03:28Man.
03:29Do we know anything about the conditions tomorrow in Australia?
03:34Sunny.
03:35As you know, it's not summer.
03:36The conditions, as some would say.
03:38What?
03:38The conditions.
03:39The conditions.
03:40As you know from golf.
03:41I've never heard that before.
03:43That's because you're not on the WhatsApp thread.
03:45No, I'm not.
03:46Speaking of which, Donnie, no golf today, huh?
03:48Nope.
03:49You got the game.
03:50Seattle and a Weezer.
03:53No, I'd be going to Weezer.
03:55I played three days in a row, and I'm not going to play on Wednesday.
03:59Yeah, I mean, he is going to Weezer, and I heard him earlier already championing the
04:05fact that he's buying drinks for anybody.
04:07Yeah, I'm not.
04:09Wow, what a quick 180.
04:11He did a full 360.
04:13Dibs, you've been in the radio business.
04:15We've both been in the media business a long time.
04:17You've been in the radio business longer than I have, and you're familiar with radio.
04:22Theater of the mind.
04:24Right.
04:24There will be no drink spot, but everybody who isn't going will think I did, and that's
04:32all that matters.
04:33Probably not now, now that you've come correct, and also the idea of you actually even going
04:40to the show is, and I don't have the calci in front of me.
04:43I do have the live read coming up here in about 30 minutes, but it's about a 12% chance
04:49that you actually show up at the concert.
04:51Yeah.
04:51Interesting.
04:52I'm a little less than that.
04:53I'm going to let it go.
04:54He says you got it in 12.
04:55You're 12.
04:56Yeah, it's a one in eight chance right now that Stiney goes to Weezer.
05:00I got some bad news for you.
05:02Don't, let me, do not put any money on that.
05:05Don't.
05:07Please.
05:07Because you're going.
05:09We shall see.
05:11We shall see.
05:11Because you got, I mean, you got pants and a new t-shirt, so now your cops are ready.
05:15Texas Long Orange.
05:15Yep.
05:16No, not quite.
05:17Not quite.
05:17This is not burnt sienna.
05:20Or burnt orange.
05:21Texas is a little more, almost your brownish than my red.
05:27I'll see a different.
05:28That's a little bit more like what they would call a brick, like a brick red to me.
05:35Yeah, that would be a little bit more red.
05:37More 49ers.
05:38And you would never rock Alabama red because that's your brother's team.
05:42Yeah.
05:43I used to like him.
05:45Alabama.
05:45I used to like my brother, too.
05:47Now I can't stand either.
05:49Hey, Mark, what's going on, buddy?
05:50I was grinding on weather forecasts from Melbourne.
05:54Yeah.
05:54We got about 55 degrees and partly cloudy at kickoff.
05:58Oh, wow.
05:59Yeah.
06:00No, it's chilly down there.
06:00And we're expecting all red and gold, them Niner fans to take over?
06:04That's what they're telling us.
06:05Okay.
06:05I've never been there, but I saw the videos of everybody, a lot of them are just cruising
06:09around town screaming at Aussies, Niner's a Ram, and everybody's like, Niner's!
06:13Like, everybody, yeah, apparently it's just, and some of them, it was already kind of a
06:19thing.
06:20They call the 49ers the world's team.
06:22Others, if they were 50-50 over the last week, got nothing but 49er content.
06:29Yeah.
06:29And so now they're all Niner fans.
06:31The Rams landed about 30 minutes ago.
06:34Like, they just landed.
06:35The game is in 27 hours.
06:37I was with you on your rant yesterday.
06:39And you got a lot of people that reacted on.
06:42Well, why did, first you guys, not you guys, but you came at me when I was like, both teams
06:47should travel at the same time.
06:49But that was my co-sale.
06:50And then the Rams are down.
06:53The Niners are out here politicking while the Rams are at home.
06:57Like, that is foul.
06:58I don't really actually have a personal issue with it other than surprise.
07:02I'm surprised that the NFL, knowing the way they operate, didn't do something about that
07:09or say something.
07:10Because if the whole entire point of this game is to grow the game and to, you know, send
07:18ambassadors to the sport, you would think they would send both teams, especially the
07:24home team.
07:24I do have a theory on this.
07:27I don't know if it's true or not, but all right, the Super Bowl is the Super Bowl.
07:32You get there a week early, that's protocol.
07:35So, you know how many international games there are this year?
07:37God, there's probably eight.
07:39I was going to say nine.
07:40There's nine.
07:41So, I do think, and I get it, this one's 17 hours, but if you're going to start having
07:46nine, 10, 12 regular season games in other countries, maybe you just, you have to let
07:54it up to the team when they're going to travel.
07:57Unless you tell everybody for all nine, they got to go for all week.
08:01Maybe.
08:01But what about what you're doing, what he's talking about once they're there?
08:04Well, I also think this one's different.
08:05Playing host.
08:06This one's different because, correct me if I'm wrong, this is the first one that's ever
08:10been there.
08:11Yes.
08:11Okay, so to me, that's a different dynamic.
08:13And secondly, it's also week one.
08:15So, it's not like you had a game last week and we're in recovery and so we're planning around
08:21that.
08:22Like, you've had all summer and you don't play until, by the way, the Rams also getting
08:26an extra day on the Niners on the back end because they don't play until Monday night
08:30next week.
08:32Again, no skin off my back.
08:34This isn't sort of like a, because, you know, I mean, if I were going over there, I would
08:38want to do it the way the Niners did.
08:39So, maybe this is an advantage.
08:41Maybe it's not.
08:42I have no idea.
08:42I'm just surprised the NFL sat there and let the Rams just stay home, basically, for
08:49the whole thing.
08:50That strikes me as odd.
08:51Yeah.
08:52And the Super Bowl, they have obvious responsibilities where, you know, you've got press avails and
08:57all the rest of it.
08:58But I wonder if a team just decided, you know what, we're coming in Saturday and we'll be
09:02ready on Sunday, but we're going to stay home, we're going to practice at home and we'll
09:06go ahead and do it our way.
09:07It probably wouldn't happen.
09:09No.
09:10Yeah.
09:10I wonder what they would do.
09:11I mean, that would be pretty funny.
09:14It's unbelievable.
09:15The team just doesn't show.
09:17Like, where are you at?
09:19Sorry, Jimmy Kimmel.
09:20Like, we're not, right?
09:22We're not talking.
09:23Let me bring up one of the main things about, you heard Jason LaConfora.
09:30Sure.
09:30So, I do think it's interesting that we always talk about Shanahan as if, you know, with
09:37the Niners ever.
09:38With the Niners ever.
09:40And this is the first time I've thought, oh, well, is it fair to look at it as, well,
09:48would Kyle just stay all the time?
09:51Like, I think that's kind of interesting.
09:53I do, too.
09:54Because it's probably closer to reality.
09:57And what I mean by that, I don't think, I don't really think there's a whole lot of
10:01smoke here at this point.
10:02Not the vibe that I get.
10:04I don't think, Kyle.
10:05When you say reality.
10:06Meaning that who's got sort of more juice on the other, like, it would make more sense
10:14to me that Kyle Shanahan is like, I would, I like that job.
10:19I have got that relationship or all of that.
10:23Then the 49ers, I don't think, have even thought about firing Kyle Shanahan at any point.
10:28And I don't think that they are now.
10:31So, yeah, from that perspective, it makes more sense.
10:33The one thing I didn't hear you guys bring up, though, is if he was going to leave, like
10:38any good coach, you're not just looking at a relationship or a roster.
10:43You're probably going to start with who's the quarterback.
10:48So, let's say Andy Reid retires.
10:50Does Kyle want the Chiefs job?
10:52Do you want to Kevin Durant this thing and just go gravy train somewhere else?
10:57The Bills just got a brand new head coach.
11:00I don't know.
11:00What if the Bengals job opened up?
11:02Would Kyle want that?
11:03I think it's important to remember, he's got a 26-year-old quarterback that he likes.
11:09To me, that's hard to leave.
11:11I'm not saying you can't do better.
11:13I guess you could, but it would be a very small list of teams that I think could get
11:18his attention.
11:19You might be right.
11:20I just thought it was an interesting way, you know, just to kind of look at it, because
11:25I certainly never looked at it from that perspective, and this is just getting back to the, you
11:30know, does the thing with Parag leaving matter?
11:33Does the Shanahan accident matter?
11:35Does the Jed York thing matter?
11:38It's like, I don't think it does, but it might if, for whatever reason, Kyle thinks there's
11:45instability in the organization and they're headed for, I don't know, a change that he's
11:50not ready for.
11:51Well, I agree with that, but do you remember how he answered the question when he finally
11:55got to the podium about the whole Jed thing?
11:57I think he was very supportive.
11:59Right?
11:59Like, I mean, he was like, Jed and his wife, I love them.
12:02Like, they matter to me.
12:04Like, he was very personal about it.
12:05Yeah.
12:06So, now, if it changes hands, and it's somebody that won't support him from the top, but I
12:12mean, we're kind of eight ifs down the road.
12:14Well, and I got to ask you and Jim, just real quick here about Anonymous, shout out Bobby
12:18Valentino, I thought you liked that one, about the York situation within the family just eroding.
12:25What do you make of that?
12:26Like, that's heavy, but you ain't telling us, you ain't giving us nothing.
12:29Well, I mean, what you can see is what actually has happened, which is Parag Marate has removed
12:35himself and he's gone on to, you know, do the overseas thing and deal with the soccer
12:39teams and, you know, Jed York is going through his own personal stuff where he got divorced
12:44and then he got caught in a sting operation, shout out Ohio sting operation, my fantasy
12:50football team name.
12:51And so, I do think that personally, he's obviously going through some stuff.
12:55Now, does that matriculate all the way down to Kyle Shanahan?
12:59I don't think so.
13:00And if you look at Kyle, like, the last two years, you've had half the league change over
13:06head coaches, 10 last year and six the year before.
13:10So, if you are going to, you know, think about going somewhere else, you're probably going
13:14to be going to a team that's not very good because the teams that make these changes are
13:19the ones that are bad.
13:20And I like what Willard said about your quarterback, like, he handpicked him.
13:25You use the last pick in the draft to get a guy, you like the guy, and he's been really,
13:30really good.
13:30So, do you want to go out there and, you know, try to coach up somebody else's quarterback?
13:35Probably not.
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13:46Let me ask you guys this, especially Willard and Dibbs, because you guys are, I don't talk
13:51to you for four hours.
13:53Right, yeah, we're new to the day.
13:54Yeah.
13:55But, you know, you're fans.
13:57Like, I get it, the Niners probably, you know, aren't as big of a Super Bowl factor as they've
14:05been in the past, but I'm, like, super excited about this season because maybe it's because
14:13I could see a swing either way, depending, but I don't know.
14:19I just, I think anything could happen this year with the Niners.
14:24I'm, first of all, I'm always excited when football season starts.
14:27Fair.
14:28But I think what you're getting at is there's probably a really big variance in our minds
14:34as to which way this can go.
14:36Sure, I'll buy that.
14:38I think that's always the case.
14:39One of my favorite things about a night like tonight or a night like tomorrow is that we
14:44get reminded that this is not picking up where last season left off.
14:50Totally new season.
14:51You know what I mean?
14:52Tonight, Kenneth Walker won't play and A.J. Brown will.
14:55It's like, these are not, it's not the same team.
14:58And so it's a whole new process.
15:01It's a whole new journey.
15:02It's a whole new everything.
15:04And we can do the health conversation because we always do.
15:08And I get why and where they've come from.
15:10But the Alfred Collins thing and the whole defensive line, that really stinks.
15:14But at the same time, the Niner offense is, sure, they're old, but they're really healthy.
15:20And, yeah, if they're blessed with any kind of luck on that front, I think they're a really
15:25good football team.
15:26I think they're a really good football team.
15:28It all comes down to, you know, circumstance and when you play teams and how healthy are
15:33you, how healthy are they.
15:34And I think about the Patriots last year when they had one of the easiest schedules in the
15:39last two decades, and they had an unbelievably healthy season.
15:44So you were healthy.
15:46You played a pretty weak schedule.
15:48And then you went up in the AFC championship game against a team that had their backup quarterback,
15:53some guy named Jarrett Stidham.
15:55And so a lot of things broke your way and you made the bowl.
15:58You lost the bowl.
15:59But you were probably far better based on a lot of circumstance than you should have been.
16:04The Niners last year were a little similar.
16:06You had injuries.
16:07You had a pretty soft schedule, as Stiney has pointed out many, many times.
16:11And you took advantage of that.
16:13But then you went and beat Philadelphia on the road in the playoffs.
16:16So is this year going to be tougher?
16:18I think so.
16:19But if you are healthier than last year and the schedule is tougher, you could still go out
16:24and be 12 and 5.
16:26You're allowed to be.
16:27You're allowed to be.
16:28You're allowed.
16:29I think there's something where, correct me if I'm wrong.
16:33But in, and I don't want to say like in each of the last five years,
16:37but I do think 49er fans are like, we can win a Super Bowl.
16:42We can win a Super Bowl.
16:43This could be our year.
16:45And this year there's just a little less of that expectation and more of,
16:50they could be really good.
16:52And so this season to me could set up to be better than most people think it might be.
16:59It's probably because they, I think, I think it's because people think that they could be good,
17:04but they also think there are two teams in their division who are better.
17:07See, I like that.
17:09That's my vibe.
17:09I think you might be right.
17:11And dibs, but dibs to me, it's still, if, if they're healthy, if they can stay healthy,
17:18yes, the Rams and the Seahawks are still the Rams and the Seahawks.
17:22But if they can be healthy, who's to say they can't beat one of them on the way to the
17:27Super Bowl.
17:28But if they're not healthy, then it's like, we're going nowhere in this division.
17:34Possibly, but you think about last year when you had Mac Jones at quarterback
17:38and you went down on a Thursday night in Levi South and you beat the Rams.
17:42You got up 14-0 and you had Alfred Collins, you know, rest up, young man, make a great play
17:48at the goal line
17:48and you beat the Rams on Thursday night football with your backup quarterback who was vomiting on the sidelines.
17:54So everything is different and unique.
17:57And I'm looking at the Patriots last year.
17:59They opened up with a loss against the Raiders.
18:02So you lose to the Raiders, you beat Miami, and then you lose to Pittsburgh.
18:06The Patriots were one and two.
18:08And then they pretty much didn't really ever lose again.
18:11I know they lost in, you know, week 15 to Buffalo, but that's about it.
18:16And the Seahawks were all in one with a division home loss to start off the season.
18:21And those two teams ended up in the Super Bowl.
18:23What was the health thing that we did yesterday?
18:25The four teams who ended up in the final four?
18:29Tell these guys that.
18:30Four of the five least injured teams.
18:33And there was a metric based on, like, points that you miss, based on how good a player is,
18:39if they miss games, blah, blah, blah.
18:40But the four teams that were in the conference championship games were four of the five least
18:45injured teams in all of football.
18:47So, like, I look at that and I think that people, we get to the end of the year, and
18:52I remember
18:52hearing this, based on point differential, the Seahawks were not just the best team.
18:56They're one of the greatest teams of all time.
18:59Okay.
19:00That's fine.
19:00Like, no, they weren't.
19:01I mean, they had a wonderful year, but we just, we have a hard time working the circumstances
19:07of the moment into the conversation, I think.
19:11And so, the Seahawks and Rams, do they have really good rosters?
19:13Do I expect good years?
19:14Sure.
19:14All of those things.
19:16They were blessed with incredible health last year.
19:19The 49ers were not, and the Niners still stayed neck and neck with them in the division.
19:24If I'm a Niner fan, that's where I'm hanging my hat right now.
19:28You were healthy, our team wasn't, and we still were right there.
19:33And I know in the playoff it didn't feel like you were right there, but like you were 12
19:37and 5, and you were in the mix.
19:39You hoped for better injury luck this year than you had last year.
19:43And you were playing for the one seed in week 18, for crying out loud.
19:46Which is a miracle.
19:47Right.
19:48I thought.
19:49But we were trying to differentiate Kyle, the ball coach, and Kyle, the talent evaluator.
19:56And I'm starting to wonder, like, they're so light on a defensive tackle.
20:00And obviously, you didn't see Kyle going down or, excuse me.
20:03Collins.
20:04Collins going down and Sam.
20:06But what do you think about that?
20:07A team that was last in sacks that had six interceptions, that you're not,
20:12that that's an area of your team that's kind of light.
20:14I mean, they had a stretch of drafts where they've had a hard time getting people in
20:21the early rounds.
20:22I tend to think that we make it sound like eight mistakes, which are really based on one.
20:28You screwed up, and you drafted Trey Lance and gave up three drafts for it.
20:34You screwed up royally.
20:35But then we go, hey, for three years, they didn't have any good picks.
20:38Right.
20:39It's all one mistake.
20:40Like, they didn't have any early capital, and so it was a huge, huge mistake,
20:46and they've recovered from it.
20:48The other part of it, this is just me.
20:50I know that I might be in the minority here.
20:52I don't blame teams for injuries.
20:56And I know a lot of people go, oh, neither do I.
20:57Yeah, you do.
20:58I hear it constantly.
21:00Oh, this Pearsall thing, you screwed it up.
21:02No, you didn't.
21:03No, you didn't.
21:04You just, bad break.
21:06I think, like, I'm not going to sit here and say they don't know what they're doing on the defensive
21:10line
21:10when Michael Williams and Sam Okuwanu and now Alfred Collins, like, they're hurt.
21:16They hurt.
21:17They got hurt.
21:18It sucks.
21:19It sucks so, so bad.
21:20Yep.
21:21But, like, that doesn't, you know what I mean?
21:23And Bosa is back, and Osa is on the team now.
21:26I still think, even with these injuries, this defensive line is better than the last year's.
21:30It should be.
21:30I mean, we'll see what Odigizua actually is going to be, and we'll see if Nick Bosa can,
21:35you know, shake off the third ACL and, you know, be able to be out there and play 15 games.
21:40I do know this.
21:41When Nick Bosa has been healthy, and he's played, and he's gotten after the quarterback,
21:46the Niners go to the conference championship or even deeper.
21:49And if you look at all of Bosa's years where he plays, and he has even nine and a half
21:54sacks,
21:54or he's got 15 sacks, whatever the numbers are, they go very, very far when Bosa's healthy.
22:00So, he might be the single most important player outside the quarterback.
22:04My question would be this.
22:06Let's say, hypothetically, the Niners this year, the same problems theoretically arise.
22:14They can't run the ball or struggle to run the ball like they did last year.
22:19They don't turn the other team over like last year, and they don't get a pass rush like last year.
22:25And it costs them.
22:27Whose fault is that?
22:30Like, who would you blame for that?
22:33Like, who didn't address those areas?
22:37Probably Kyle Shanahan and or John Lynch.
22:40The people in charge.
22:41Yeah.
22:41And I think that's, but there's nuance and context to that.
22:45I know that.
22:45You know what I mean?
22:46I know that.
22:46But, like, I think there could be a segment of 49er fans that's Kyle.
22:51Kyle didn't address it.
22:52He's got all the power.
22:54I think on the offensive line, that's one question.
22:56On the defensive line, it's the other.
22:58Because on the offensive line, it's pretty much the same group.
23:01Right.
23:01The defensive line, they try.
23:03Like, sometimes I laugh when people are like, you didn't build depth.
23:07Well, okay.
23:08How many good players do you want?
23:11Are you supposed to have amazeballs players third on the depth chart?
23:16I mean, if four guys.
23:18Is the 49ers offensive line, their approach to the offensive line the same as Buster Posey's for the bullpen?
23:27I don't think so.
23:28No, but I see where you're going.
23:30And I kind of like it.
23:31And, you know, when you look at the offensive line last year, there's a reason why they went 12-5.
23:37And it's because they were awesome in the red zone.
23:40And they were number one on third down.
23:42So, last year is such a weird anomaly in so many ways.
23:45You didn't turn the other team over.
23:47You didn't sack the other team's quarterback.
23:49You didn't run for more than 3.9 per carry.
23:53And you went 12-5.
23:54Wow, man.
23:54And a playoff game on the road.
23:57So, I think ultimately, you can look at the numbers.
24:00You can look at the pro football focus, offensive line rankings, and all the rest of it.
24:05When it comes down to it, you need to make the play.
24:08In the big moment in the game, you need to be the team that makes that play.
24:12And last year, they weren't.
24:12Do we get your pick tonight for tonight's game?
24:14Oh, you will today, yeah.
24:15We're going to fade the dibber.
24:16Fade the dibber.
24:17There we go.
24:18Let's back.
24:18Come on, baby.
24:19What time we got to sell?
24:213.15.
24:22Sweet.
24:233.15.
24:24All right.
24:24Guys, we're there.
24:25We made it to...
24:27Yeah, there's a game.
24:28There's a game tonight.
24:28There's a season opener.
24:30It's Christmas.
24:30Yes.
24:31The next two days are going to be wonderful.
24:33Enjoy them safely.
24:3495.7.8.