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00:00Welcome back, America. This is a man who is like super patriotic for this country and so forth and so
00:08on and understands the American people better than most people do.
00:11What do you make of that?
00:12I agree with you. And when he does these things that are controversial but needed, it begs the question, why
00:19didn't other presidents, both Democrat and Republican, do things?
00:23And what do I mean by that? Why didn't somebody address the deterioration of monuments in Washington or the world's
00:31capital, so to speak, was not safe to walk in or the reflecting pool was a miasma or presidents had,
00:38you know, torn parts of the White House to put a bowling alley or a basketball court or a swimming
00:44pool.
00:44But they all said there's nowhere to speak. There's nowhere to hold a world-class meeting and world-class banquet,
00:56any of that, lectures.
00:58And he comes along and he does it. But he doesn't do it. I mean, he doesn't do it in
01:03the sense that I'm going to be the first person to ever do it.
01:06He does it because he says, why hasn't this been done? Because we need it. And so I think that's
01:13what's unusual about him.
01:14He's always bragging about the U.S. military. He calls soldiers up. He goes to the funerals.
01:20He wants the United States. And this is what drives the left crazy because their idea was managed decline, a
01:28globalist idea.
01:29We're just one of many. Or to paraphrase Barack Obama, we're no more exceptional than Greece or Great Britain is.
01:35But he resented that idea. He said we were always exceptional.
01:38We have the only type of constitution in the world. We're the freest people. We're the most powerful country.
01:44How did that come across? China has four times the population that we do.
01:50The EU has 100 million more people than we do. And yet we have 10 trillion more of a GDP.
01:56How is that possible? So what his whole idea was, we're going to be the first in space.
02:03And people said, oh, you know, NASA's done with. They haven't done anything in years.
02:08He said, no, no, no, no. We're going to get private enterprise and empower them.
02:12And then the NASA will have to rise to the challenge.
02:15And he almost single-handedly reinvigorated the space race.
02:19Elon Musk himself launched more missile satellites than the whole world combined last year.
02:26And when you look at what he did with Silicon Valley, he went to all these people who were left,
02:31you know, the Andreessen's, the Sachs, and all of these people, the Elon Musk.
02:36They all voted against him. And he said to them, we're in bad trouble.
02:40We've got to rearm the United States. We're short weapon.
02:43We've got to get into the drone race.
02:45We've got to get satellite technology and use it to protect our country.
02:49We need an iron dome, sort of global dome over the United States.
02:52And just like the war production board of World War II, Trump said,
02:56I'm appealing to your patriotism, not your politics.
02:59If I can enlist your talent, I will protect you from EU censorship, from Canadian digital media taxes.
03:08You name it. I'm on your side as long as you're on our side.
03:11And I define that as America's side.
03:14And it's really amazing when you look at these left-wing companies that opposed him.
03:19I mean, they were censoring news accounts of the laptop fiasco and almost, and they contributed to his defeat.
03:27Mark Zuckerberg gave over $450 million in 2020 through various surrogates to change, help to change balloting.
03:36And yet he went back to these people and said, you're very talented.
03:40I'm going to allow you, I'm not going to pick winners and losers like Biden wanted to do.
03:44I'm going to open up, I'm going to deregulate, I'm going to give you energy, I'm going to promote data
03:49systems for good or evil.
03:50But you have to do one thing.
03:52You have to use those energies and talents for the promotion of the common good and the preeminence of the
03:58United States.
03:59That was very, we hadn't seen that in decades, somebody take that type of argument to the opposition.
04:06And the results are, they're undeniable.
04:08All of a sudden, the United States is the greatest producer of oil and gas in history.
04:13Its satellites are preeminent.
04:15I just looked at the software, digital media, bioengineering, AI companies in terms of market capitalization,
04:25and things like downloads of the top 10 companies globally.
04:30In each of those categories, the United States has eight or nine corporations in the top 10.
04:34Almost dominates every, this is a period when they said, you know, Mark, they were saying just a decade ago,
04:42that China would have a greater GDP by now than we did, and we're $10 trillion greater.
04:47So, it's amazing.
04:49The book is, and it is a great book, The Counter-Revolution, The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and
04:55the MAGA Movement.
04:56I encourage you to get it.
04:57Amazon.com, come Tuesday, when it's released, any major bookstore.
05:02Look how he's leading in what I call the next industrial revolution data centers.
05:07You have dime store politicians who are looking at polls, who are objecting to it, and so forth and so
05:13on.
05:13It's local governments that make a determination where they are and how these buildings look and so forth.
05:19But the president knows this is the next industrial revolution.
05:23Every single thing we use is related to AI.
05:26I just think that's another example of his foresight.
05:32Welcome back, America.
05:33We're here with America's Wise Man.
05:35That's what I call him because that's what he is.
05:37The Counter-Revolution is his brand new book.
05:40It comes out Tuesday.
05:41I would preorder it on Amazon.com.
05:43That's the way I roll.
05:44The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement.
05:48There is so much in here that is so compelling.
05:50Because the man himself is compelling and the author is compelling.
05:54Victor Davis Hanson.
05:55Let's get a little bit into national security and foreign policy.
05:58Let's dig right into Iran and what the president's been doing in Iran.
06:04We have people who've said he campaigned against this kind of thing.
06:08And we call a lot of those isolationists and so forth and so on.
06:13But did he not also say peace through strength?
06:16Again, that is sort of a Reagan phrase, peace through strength.
06:19And hasn't he also demonstrated, as you demonstrate in your book, a hesitance to use military power.
06:26But if he feels it's necessary, he will use military power.
06:30Explain.
06:31Yeah, he never ran as an isolationist.
06:33He never ran as a nation builder.
06:35He ran as a Jacksonian.
06:36His idea was, don't tread on the United States.
06:40You'll have no better friend, but you'll have no worse enemy if you do that.
06:44And to carry out that policy, we had to have a preeminent military.
06:49So he really, in the first term, tried to rebuild it.
06:52But when he looked at Iran, there were two kind of contrast or antithetical positions he had to guide.
06:58He had to navigate between them.
07:00One was, given the misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, we don't do well when we put thousands of troops on
07:10the ground if we don't win very quickly.
07:13And winning is very hard in those societies because you have to change the government and they have no experience
07:19with consensual rule.
07:21And on the other hand, he said, well, seven prior presidents have said this is intolerable,
07:27that this huge country that was once so pro-Western and so powerful under the Shah and earlier rulers
07:35now is using that 93 million population and all of its traditions and its resources with oil,
07:42fourth largest reserve or third in the world, for nefarious purposes.
07:47And most of the problems in the Middle East come from Iran.
07:51They bully the Arab Gulf exporters.
07:53They have a ring of fire of terrorist appendages around Israel.
07:57They subsidize terrorism all over Europe and the Western world.
08:01But nobody has done anything.
08:02So I'm going to do something with one caveat.
08:06I'm not going to invade this country and try to overthrow the government and rack up a decade and casualties.
08:14And he hasn't done that.
08:15I think people don't realize that he knew something had to be done because every year they were getting closer
08:22and closer to nuclear weapons.
08:24And once they got them with that lunatic attitude, whether genuine or contrived, they had deterrence.
08:32And with deterrence, they could do almost anything.
08:34And they would dominate the entire Middle East and prior administrations like the Obama administration said,
08:40Well, maybe we can balance Iran and the Shia Crescent, Syria, Lebanon's taken over.
08:48There's Iran, the Houthis, Hamas, and then we'll kind of play them against Israel in the Gulf states and we'll
08:54adjudicate.
08:55That was a crazy idea.
08:56But that was kind of U.S. policy under Biden, but especially under Obama.
09:01So he said, No, no, it's intolerable.
09:03Time has run out.
09:04But I've got to find a way to squeeze them and disarm them without invading them and without trying to
09:11nation build.
09:12And he thought that the popular revolt might happen after the Berlin Wall.
09:19It took two years for the Soviet Union to fall, but it did fall.
09:22It took many months for Eastern European governments.
09:25So I think it's kind of a civil war union anaconda strategy now.
09:30We're squeezing them economically, financially.
09:34They can't import goods.
09:36They can't export oil.
09:38The people are getting restive.
09:39And I think his big worry right now is at what point will things get so terrible in Iran?
09:46I think we're getting there.
09:48How do you ensure that the people are not hurt by this awful regime that doesn't care about their own
09:53people?
09:54And that's a concern I think he has.
09:56And that explains why some of us were surprised that we thought maybe at 38 days he should not have
10:02stopped or 40 days or 45.
10:05But I think he was thinking that if I destroy the entire infrastructure, that regime, it'll take a year or
10:11two for the people to rise up and you'll get mass starvation or something, disease or so much chaos, it'll
10:18be counterproductive.
10:19So it's kind of a strategy right now to just say we can continue with American problems and issues and
10:28policies without being obsessed with Iran.
10:30They are frozen.
10:32They can't do anything.
10:33We've got them in a stranglehold.
10:35And time is not on their side.
10:37It's on our side.
10:38And that, I think, is the strategy right now.
10:41And I think it will eventually work.
10:43But, boy, he's taken a lot of criticism from people who say the war is lost on no evidence.
10:48I can't believe people on the conservative side even have said this was a fiasco.
10:54It's destroyed his presidency.
10:56It hasn't at all.
10:57If people give it time, you'll see radical changes in Iran for the first time in 50 years.
11:03Very, very well put.
11:05When we come back, really, I want to address two issues.
11:09What comes post-Trump?
11:11And also, the president's really bold condemnation of anti-Semitism, of anti-Semites, some who used to be friends of
11:23his, and so forth and so on.
11:26Let's see if we can address both of those.
11:29Because I think he's been quite the leader in trying to deal with that.
11:33And in the future of the Republican Party and so forth, depending on who is capable of picking up the
11:39mantle and getting elected as a Republican, do you think that they will share his principles and his belief systems
11:46and have the guts to say the kind of things that he says?
11:52Welcome back, America.
11:53Tour de Force, the counter-revolution, written by a great author, Victor Davis Hanson.
11:58So, Victor Davis Hanson, what do you see in the future in terms of MAGA, and what do you see
12:03in the future in terms of a Republican MAGA-type candidate?
12:08Fighting anti-Semitism or gaslighting anti-Semitism?
12:13Yes, well, we know that Trump's been trolling and kidding around.
12:17He's not going to run for a third term.
12:18I don't think he wants to.
12:20He couldn't, I think, easily, and he doesn't want to.
12:23So the question is, what's the MAGA movement?
12:25I think it's irreversible.
12:27The idea that we're going to go back and allow China to dump product here below the cost of production,
12:33or we're going to semi-embrace the green agenda, or we're going to have open borders again, as many Republicans
12:40did in the past.
12:40I don't think that's going to happen.
12:42He's created a workers, a working-class, middle-class party, and as I said earlier, race is incidental, not essential.
12:50So he's trying to say that the black truck driver, the Hispanic electrician, the white sheetrock person, and the suburban
12:59people like them, they all have more in common.
13:02And their enemies are not themselves, but the East Coast liberal progressive establishment.
13:08And that's not going to change.
13:10And the question is, who's going to succeed him?
13:13I mean, can you have sunlight without the sun, as one person put it?
13:18And I think we have kind of an arbitrary divide between the Vance and Rubio, even though Marco Rubio quite
13:24magnanimously said he wouldn't run if J.D. Vance did.
13:28J.D. Vance was selected, contrary to all popular wisdom.
13:32And they said, well, he's from Ohio, and that's a red state, they're going to win it anyway in 24,
13:37and he's a white male, no diversity.
13:41And yet Trump said, well, he's a masterful debater, he's great on repartee, and you better watch out, media, he's
13:48going to destroy you.
13:49But I think his problem right now is that this MAGA movement, which I was talking about, there are elements
13:58within it that want to be sort of a nationalist party in the sense of isolationism.
14:05And they feel that Israel is a pernicious influence that's dragging us into wars that are not in our interest,
14:12etc., etc.
14:13And I'll go a little further, I think a lot of the people in that movement want to deliberately be
14:20provocative to force J.D. Vance to say, try to disown me and see what happens in 2028.
14:28So he feels he's in a dilemma, but at some point, I think that he'll do the right thing.
14:34And I think anybody who's going to run for the office in 2028 is going to have to do two
14:42things.
14:44As far as foreign policy, they're going to have to say, whether you like it or not, Israel has been
14:49the best friend that we've had in the Middle East.
14:52In every sense of the way, it's the only oasis of democracy, of liberality, of compassion and humanity.
14:58And we're going to support it.
15:00And number two, people that are Jewish have a natural right to have an affinity with Israel.
15:08It's the historical home of the Jews.
15:10There's no conspiracy.
15:12They reflect the majority of our party.
15:14And we're going to stop trying to demonize them.
15:17We're not the left.
15:18The left is completely anti-Semitic.
15:21It's completely anti-Israeli.
15:22And they'll pay a price for that.
15:24So we're not going to go there.
15:25And for all of you who want to draw me in, I think J.D. Vance will say, and draw
15:30me in and try to make an artificial divide, I'm going to have to come out and say, you don't
15:36represent the Republican Party values, you don't represent the magma movement, and you don't represent the legacy of Donald Trump.
15:42And I think he can do it if he's the candidate.
15:44But it's not just A.D. Vance.
15:46Any candidate who's nominated is going to have to do that.
15:50Well, I sit on the edge of my chair waiting for that.
15:52I look forward to that very, very much.
15:54This is a fantastic book by Victor Davis Hanson, The Counterrevolution.
15:59You get it at Amazon.com, any major bookstore, starting on Tuesday.
16:04Victor, God bless you, my friend.
16:06You look good and healthy, and you've written a real fantastic book.
16:10Thank you, Mark.
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