Saksi: (Part 2) Van, nang-araro ng 3 sasakyan; Atty. Poa humarap sa impeachment trial

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00:007 patay at 13 sugatan matapos sumalpok ang isang van sa 3 sasakyan sa Zamboanga del Sur.

00:06Nawalan umano ng preno ang van.

00:09Saksi, si Efren Mamak ng GMA Regional TV.

00:16Makikita sa CCTV na isang tindahan ang mabilis na pagdating na isang pampasayong van

00:21sa barangay Paglaong Dumalinaw, Zamboanga del Sur.

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01:39No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:09No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:39No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

03:07No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

03:54No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

04:07Naglatag din ang flood guard barriers.

04:10Hanggang mag-aala 6 ngayong gabi umabot sa mahigit 3 km ang build-up sa southbound din ang Tulaok at

04:16San Simón Interchange.

04:17Nasa 1 km naman ang build-up sa northbound lane.

04:21Pahira para sa mga motorista na noong weekend pa na stop sa NLEX.

04:26Gaya ni Recep, na nakilala namin malapit sa tall plaza ng San Simón Exit northbound.

04:31Nitong Sabado pa tumirik ang kanilang truck dahil sinasirang radiator.

04:36Dito na sila nagsasai at naliligo kaya nag-ihip.

04:41Pangatlong araw na ho namin dito.

04:44Kaya ayun, wala kami ibang ginagawa ngayon kundi sarili nang diskartin lang kung paano kami makakawa ng pagkain.

04:50Ang bata namang ito, inabutan na ng kanyang birthday sa sakyan.

04:54Hey, baby!

04:58Kumasok siyang 8 years old sa NLEX.

05:009 years old na sa Luba.

05:01Ayon sa Department of Transportation, nag-issue na ang Tall Regulatory Board ng Notice to Explain sa NLEX Corporation.

05:09Ayon naman sa NLEX Corporation bilang tugon sa direktiba ng DOTR,

05:14magbibigay sila ng tall rebate o balikbayad sa kahabaan ng NLEX mula San Fernando hanggang pulilan.

05:20Epektibo raw ito mula kaninang alas 12 ng tanghali hanggang sa madaanan na ang lahat ng lanes para sa lahat

05:27ng uri ng sasakyan.

05:29Ike-credit daw ang tall rebate sa RFID account ng motorista isang araw matapos ang pagdaan sa tall game.

05:36Ang pagbaha sa NLEX, nabanggit ang Pangulong Bongbong Marcos sa kanyang pagbisita sa Lubao, Pampanga.

05:42Diniisip namin na huhukayin yung mga ibang lugar doon para doon iipot yung tubig in this na pupunta sa kalsada.

05:49So, but dahan-dahan makikita natin na yung NLEX ay nagadaanan na.

05:55Northbound is already 45 minutes daw na lang ang naging traffic.

06:01Yung southbound na lang ang kailangan natin na gawa ng paraan para madaanan na mas mabuti mabawasan ang tubig.

06:09Sa ngayon na sa 275 na barangay sa Pampanga, ang may pagbaha, mahigit 31,000 ang nasa mga evacuation center.

06:18Kasama rito sa Iluminada, Caneba, na nawala ng bahay ng rumagasa ang baha sa Lubao.

06:24Sa tingin ni Pangulong Marcos, illegal logging ang isa sa mga posibleng dahilan kung bakit nagbara ang Santo Cristo Dam

06:31na isa sa mga sinisisi sa pagbaha roon.

06:34Hindi naman pala na-damage yung dam. Kung hindi, ang nangyari, nabara dahil hindi basura kundi yung debris, mga troso

06:43na siguro pinagpuputol silang illegal lagi sa taas.

06:47Bumababa dito, nabara ngayon yung dam, umikot yung tubig. Kaya yung nakita natin na bahay na hulog, na hulog sa

06:57ilog eh.

06:57Sabi ng Pangulo, nasira ang pader na kailangang itayo agad. Kaya pansamantalang maglalagay muna ng harang para hindi dumaretsyo sa

07:06Santo Cristo Dam ang mga troso o anumang debris.

07:09Matapos malubog sa baha ang maraming lugar sa Pampanga, isa sa nabubuhay na diskusyon ang pagkatayo ng water impounding facility

07:17sa Candaba para ito ang sumalu sa baha.

07:20Eh, problema nga, ang nangyari doon, puro away at puro salitarang eh. Tagad na ng mga plano eh. Sabi nga

07:26ni Pangulo sa amin ni Sek Jandika, gabi eh.

07:29Ang dami-dami ng plano eh. Now it's time to execute.

07:32Inihalimbawa ni Dizon ang Retarding Basin Project na pinondohan ang Japan International Cooperation Agency o JICA.

07:39At itinurn over kahapon sa Imus, Cavite. Magsisilbi itong pansamantalang imbakan ng tubigulan at baha bago unti-unting pakawalan ang

07:48tubig sa Imus River.

07:49Ito talaga ang model. Ito ang model. Kasama din ng mga ibang retarding basin na ginawa na rin in the

07:55past.

07:56Pero ano talaga, importanteng makita ng mga kababayan natin para naman hindi sila mawagan ng pag-asaan na kung gagawin

08:04natin ganito at gagawin natin ang tama,

08:06kamukhaanong ginawa dito sa Cavite, eh may solusyon din ang problema sa Central Island.

08:11Ako po si JP Sorian, ang inyo saksi.

08:21Ilang beses tila naging referee si Presiding Officer Cheese Escudero na magkainitan ng prosekusyon at ang depensa.

08:28Sa gitna po ng pagsalang ni Atty. Michael Poa bilang hostile witness sa impeachment trial.

08:33At sa kanyang pagharap sa paglilipis, igirit ni Poa na wala siyang personal na kaalaman kagayang sa confidential funds ng

08:39DepEd.

08:45Sa ikadalawang putisang araw ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte,

08:51iniharap ng prosekusyon ang isa sa mga pinakakatiwalaan ng bisi at ang ikatlong hostile witness sa paglilitis, si Atty. Michael

09:00Poa.

09:01It shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help you God.

09:05Yes, I do, Your Honor.

09:07Dating tagapagsalita, Chief of Staff, at Undersecretary ng DepEd noong kalihim nito, si Vice President Sara Duterte.

09:15At ngayon, abogado ng defense team ng bisi sa impeachment trial.

09:21Ipinresentan ni Atty. Benjamin Tolosa Jr. ng prosekusyon ang kanilang 13-point formal offer of evidence and testimony.

09:29Pero dito pa lang, tila nagkatensyon na sa pagitan niya at ni Defense Lawyer Atty. Sheila Sison.

09:36Quite frankly, Your Honor, I don't know if the 13-point offer of the council deserves any reasonable comment

09:50considering that they sound really just rhetoric aimed to provide drama in this proceeding.

10:00For something that does not deserve a comment, that's quite a lengthy comment.

10:02Isa sa mga unang sinilip ng prosekusyon, ang Audit Observation Memorandum,

10:08kaugnay sa confidential funds ng DepEd noong 1st at 2nd quarter noong 2023.

10:14May kabuang halaga ito na P75 million pesos.

10:18Itong provision na ito, dapat yung binayaran na reward ng gumamit ng fondo ng confidential fund,

10:27binayad yung reward na yun sa informer para dun sa information na binigay niya.

10:33That's my interpretation.

10:35Dito sa information na ito, nagkaroon ho ng success dun sa information gathering and or surveillance activities.

10:44Yung success na yan, dahil yan mismo sa information na kinuha sa informat.

10:50Generally, and I say generally, I'm not saying na hindi kailangan may correlation yung success dun sa,

10:58nung isusumiti mo na evidence of success, hindi kailangan may correlation.

11:03You're not saying that.

11:04I'm not saying that.

11:05What I'm saying is, na hindi lahat ng informasyon na binibili sa aking pagkakaintindi,

11:12hindi naman lahat ng binibili mong information, ay necessarily magkakaroon ka kaagad ng success.

11:17Sa isang puto, buling nagkaroon ng tensyon sa pagitan ng prosecution at depensa.

11:23Ang interpretation mo, kahit wala pang success, ang interpretation nyo, pwede mo nang bayaran ang informant ng reward kahit wala

11:32pang success.

11:49Binalikan ang prosecution ng mga nagdaang pagdinig ng House Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability,

11:55kung saan sinabi ni Powa na wala o mano siyang personal knowledge ukol sa mga confidential fund ng DepEd.

12:03Kaya binansagan siya ng prosecution na abogadong walang alam.

12:07He answered for 112.5 million pesos he knew absolutely nothing about.

12:14Siya ang inatasan ng vice-presidente yung sumagot sa COA.

12:17Hindi ang SDO, hindi ang nag-disburse ng pera, hindi ang tumanggap ng pera, ang abogadong walang alam.

12:25Tinutulan nito ng depensa dahil may ibang pakahulugan daw ito.

12:29To strike off the statement that ang abogadong walang alam, he also has under the rules, rule 132, certain rights.

12:40And one of those rights is to be protected from irrelevant, improper, and insulting questions.

12:46And not only that, also to be protected from harsh or insulting demeanor.

12:52Chair hereby orders that the phrase, abogadong walang alam, be stricken off the record.

12:58Chair finds it discourteous to say the least.

13:02Attorney Pono, I hope you understand.

13:04There was never any intention on my part to insult you in any way.

13:08We have to take this in context.

13:09When I said, abogadong walang alam, what I meant was, in Congress, he repeatedly said,

13:15he knew totally nothing about the use and liquidation of the confidential funds.

13:22Context is very important.

13:24But nonetheless, if I offended you in any way, sir, I'm very sorry for that.

13:27G.T. Powa, nagsimula lang ang kanyang partisipasyon sa confidential funds

13:32nang matanggap niya ang AOM ng COA.

13:36Sumagot ho kayo dito, dito sa Audit Observation Memorandum.

13:42Sumagot kayo.

13:44Kayo ho ang nag-file ng reply sa COA. Tama, sir?

13:47Tama po. April 17.

13:49Basically, you became involved in confidential funds of the DepEd only when you received the AOM

13:57dahil inaaral nyo na, tapos sa iyo yung sumagot ng reply.

14:00Tama po ba yun?

14:01Tama.

14:10Base rin sa kanyang testimonya, sinabi ni Powa na ang mga nakakaalam lang sa paggamit ng P50.5 million pesos

14:17na confidential funds

14:19ay ang BC Presidente at no special dispersing officer Edward Fajarda.

14:24Tsaka na lang daw niya nalaman na may alam din sa confidential fund si Col. Dennis Nolasco ng Vice Presidential

14:32Security and Protection Group.

14:34Ang attorney po, lahat po nang ginawa niya, kaugnay sa pagsagot sa AOM, ay nalalaman ng BC Presidente?

14:44Nalaman po niya, yes.

14:45When we got the AOM, syempre po, in-inform ko po siya that we got the AOM.

14:49And I informed her and asked her permission if I can coordinate with the SDO.

14:55And she said, okay.

14:56I came back to her and I briefed her on all of my answers to the AOM.

15:01And she just said, okay.

15:03Tila bantay sarado rin ng depensa ang bawat punto ng prosekusyon.

15:06Kaya nagiging madalas ang debate ng dalawang abogado.

15:10I heard you, you don't want to make speculation.

15:12You have to admit, you made some speculation there.

15:14So we have to move.

15:15I'm sorry, I did not make speculation.

15:18I told you about the possibility.

15:20I will point out which speculation.

15:21No, no, no.

15:22You're incorporating things I did not say.

15:24Attorney Sheila, Attorney Sheila, Attorney Paul.

15:26Your Honor, with all due respect.

15:28Let's give Attorney Jay some...

15:29He gave some scenarios, possible scenarios a while ago.

15:34Na maaaring, thank you sir for the...

15:38That's just my point.

15:39Thank you sir for not making it difficult.

15:41Ilang besos umawat si presiding officer, Cheese Escudero.

15:45Kahit natutunan mo during that meeting,

15:47paano gamitin ang JC 2015-01,

15:50hindi mo ginamit niyang kalaman na yan

15:51noong nagsubmit na kayo noong third quarter.

15:53It was not my responsibility, Your Honor,

15:55to handle the liquidation report.

15:58Counsel is badgering the witness already.

16:00That is not badgering.

16:01Maaam, counsels, all of you are lawyers.

16:04Kindly don't speak at the same time.

16:06Nang maging mainit na ang pagtatalo,

16:08nagpaalala si Escudero sa mga counsel

16:10at nanghingi rin ang pasensya sa mga Senator Judge.

16:14Counsel, counsels, please.

16:16We're nearly about to break for lunch.

16:19Lower it down a notch.

16:20Mahirap na nga po na may dalawang abogadong

16:25nagkakaroon ng tagisan ng talino.

16:27Gawin po nating tatlo.

16:28Kaya pagunawal lang po at pasensya

16:30ang hinihiling namin,

16:31ang party po ito ng proseso.

16:33Kahapon, sinabi ng dalawang opisyal ng AFP

16:36na wala silang nakuha na confidential fund

16:39mula sa DepEd

16:40para sa kanila mga aktibidad

16:42gaya ng Youth Leadership Summit.

16:44I'm sure you agree

16:45na wala hong binigay kahit piso

16:47ang Department of Education

16:50sa AFP

16:51para maisagawa

16:53itong mga Youth Leadership Summit nila.

16:58Yes, sir. I confirm that.

16:59Sa testimonya ng dalawang sundalong kahapon,

17:02sinabi nila

17:03na nagbigay sila ng certification

17:05bilang patuday

17:06ng pakikilahok ng DepEd

17:08sa mga aktibidad.

17:09Pero ginamit ito ng DepEd

17:11para sa kanilang liquidation

17:13para sa confidential fund.

17:15The reason why you use this YSL certification,

17:20ang words nyo,

17:21it was on the premise

17:23that whatever activity

17:26was conducted on the ground

17:27by the military

17:28was targeted because of information

17:31received from DepEd

17:32due to those rewards given out

17:33on the premise.

17:34Tama ko, sir, no?

17:35Yes, sir. As stated in the documents.

17:37Yan din ang sinilip,

17:39dagilang Senator Judge.

17:41Yung DepEd certification for Youth Summits

17:44ginamit po

17:45na to justify daw

17:47ang OVP Confidential Fund Usage.

17:50Sino o kaninong idea

17:52itong cross-agency justification po?

17:54Sa totoo lang,

17:56and I'll be very honest with you,

17:59nung humingi ako ng certifications,

18:01mas gusto ko talaga

18:03kung third party.

18:04Kasi kung mismong DepEd

18:06ang mag-certify

18:07para sa akin,

18:08hindi ko alam kung totoo o hindi.

18:10So, I wanted a third party.

18:12So, nung nakita ko yung AFP certifications

18:15na binigay sa akin

18:17ni Yusek Mempin,

18:18I relied on the certifications.

18:20But the Vice President

18:21never asked me to ask

18:23for the certifications

18:24or approve them.

18:25Ang tanong ko po,

18:26ano po yung factual basis nyo

18:27for using those certifications

18:29to make that

18:30specific representation to COA?

18:32Hapa.

18:32Yung naging basihan ko po doon,

18:34kasi when I received

18:35the certifications,

18:37obviously, sir,

18:38I did not

18:40consider them in isolation.

18:41Binasa ko lahat

18:42ng natanggap ko.

18:43Kasi, syempre,

18:44kahit yung YLS,

18:45sa totoo lang,

18:46hindi ko naman alam

18:47yung YLS program na yun.

18:49So, nung binasa ko,

18:50kaya ko po na sabing,

18:52sige,

18:53isumitin natin to

18:54dahil po doon

18:55sa mga linya

18:56that says

18:56that due to a

18:58synergistic exchange

18:59of intelligence

19:00and information,

19:01they were able to

19:02target areas

19:04where it will be held.

19:06So,

19:07yun po ang naging

19:08basihan ko

19:08bakit nasabi ko na

19:10o sige,

19:11ito ang pwedeng ilakip to.

19:13But just to clarify,

19:14Your Honor,

19:15hindi lang po kasi

19:17AFP

19:17ang hiningan.

19:18In fact,

19:19I approach other USEX.

19:21Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo,

19:23ang inyong saksi.

19:25May mga pinalutang na tanong

19:27ang isang legal expert

19:28kasunod ng testimonya

19:29ni Atty. Michael Poa

19:31na wala siyang personal

19:32na kaalaman

19:32sa confidential funds

19:34ng Education Department doon.

19:36Alam niyo po yan

19:37sa aking report.

19:41Sa pagsalang ni Atty. Michael Poa

19:43bilang hostile witness

19:44sa impeachment trial,

19:45sinabi niyang

19:46wala siyang personal

19:47na kaalaman

19:48kung paano ginamit

19:49ang confidential funds

19:50ng kanilang ahensya noon.

19:52Tingin din ni Atty. Maria Soledad

19:54de Riquito Mawis,

19:55Dean ng Lyceum College of Law.

19:57Ang nakpansin ko lang talaga

19:59kay Atty. Poa

20:00isinasabing niya talaga

20:02na may mga bagay-bagay

20:04na hindi niya alam.

20:05Miskin na siya

20:06ang pangalawa in command.

20:08Ang tanong sino?

20:09And then secondly,

20:10what is malinaw is

20:12there are certain matters

20:13that were done

20:16in accordance

20:17with his own interpretation.

20:19Not the interpretation of the vice,

20:21not the interpretation of whoever,

20:23but his own interpretation.

20:25Why do you have to base it

20:27on your own interpretation?

20:30Why didn't he ask

20:32the proper person?

20:33Tanong ni Dean de Riquito Mawis,

20:35kung hindi si Poa

20:37ang may alam,

20:38sino?

20:38E siya yung pangalawa eh.

20:40So either you nag-disberse

20:41o si vice president.

20:43So parang all the roads

20:45are leading to the vice president.

20:47So I think what they're trying

20:48to prove is

20:49dahil hindi mo alam,

20:50it's either si vice lang

20:52ang may alam niyan

20:53o yung mismo disbursing officer

20:55na hindi pa naman

20:56nag-take this thing.

20:57At balita ko nga

20:58ay na hospital pa ata.

21:01Sabi ni Poa,

21:02ang nakakaalam lang

21:03tungkol sa paggamit

21:04ng 15.5 million pesos

21:05ng confidential fund

21:07ay sina vice president

21:08Sara Duterte

21:09at special disbursing officer

21:10Edward Fajarda

21:11na nastroke kamakailan.

21:13He's scheduled for next week

21:14pero assuming na kailangan

21:16i-extend yung kanyang medical leave

21:18or absence

21:19due to medical reasons,

21:21pwede pa bang punan

21:22yung mga gaps

21:23that his testimony

21:25should have been about?

21:28Alam niyo,

21:28pag hindi siya natawang,

21:30hindi ang kwento

21:31walang may alam.

21:32Basta alam lang nila,

21:33lumabas yung pera.

21:35Now,

21:35pagka ganun,

21:36incomplete pa rin,

21:37hindi pala nila

21:38na-account yung 75 million.

21:40So,

21:40the defense still

21:41will have to prove

21:42that na-account yan.

21:44Tanong din ni Dindere Kito Mawis,

21:46kung sinasabi ni Poa

21:47na wala siyang

21:48personal knowledge

21:49ugol sa confidential funds,

21:51bakit hindi tinanong ni Poa

21:52sa mga tauhan ng DepEd

21:53kung paano ginastos ang pera?

21:55Ikaw ang sumagot

21:57dun sa AOM.

21:59Kung ikaw ang sumagot

22:00dun sa AOM,

22:02bakit hindi mo tinanong?

22:04Kasi,

22:05hindi rin niya masagot

22:07bakit inattach lang niya

22:08na inattach yung certification,

22:10di ba?

22:10Pero hindi naman niya alam

22:11bakit.

22:13In fact,

22:13sabi niya,

22:14yun yung theory niya.

22:15Yun yung theory.

22:16Bakit theory ang pinag-uusapan natin?

22:18Bakit hindi based on facts?

22:20Eh,

22:20importante dun yan sa AOM

22:22at saka dun sa joint resolution.

22:24Dapat may success

22:25para maging ka,

22:27para ma-account mo,

22:28ma-justify mo

22:29yung labas ng pera.

22:30Pagkatapos ng paglilitis,

22:32humarap si Powa sa media.

22:34Anya,

22:34testigo siya sa ngayon

22:36kaya hindi pwedeng talakayin

22:37ang ibang nangyari sa trial.

22:39Pero sa tingin niya,

22:40ay naging patas naman

22:41ang lahat.

22:42Okay naman.

22:43I also wanted to thank

22:44the prosecution,

22:45si Atty. Tolosa.

22:47I think naman

22:49everything that happened today

22:50was quite fair.

22:51So I'd like to thank him for that.

22:53And of course,

22:54I'd like to thank

22:54ang aming defense counsel

22:56or lead counsel,

22:57Atty. Sheila,

22:59who, you know,

23:00really handled

23:01our side naman.

23:02I was a witness today

23:03so I have to be neutral

23:04and I cannot talk about

23:05anything that I testified on.

23:12You.

23:13You.

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