00:03PANNO NGA BA ICOMPYUTE ANG BOTO PARA SA CONVICTION O AKWITAL NI VICE PRESIDENT SARA DUTERTE?
00:09KINUNSULTA NA IMPEACHMENT COURT KAOGNAY NITO
00:12ANG APAT NA AMNICHI CURE O FRIENDS OF THE COURT
00:16NA MGA RITERADONG CHIEF JUSTICE AT ASSOCIATE JUSTICE NANG KORTE SUPREMA
00:20SA SALIGANG BATAS, KILANGAN NANG BOTO NANG TWO THIRDS
00:24NANG LAHAT NANG MEMBRO NANG SENADO PARA MAKONVICT
00:27AT KUNG 24 ANLAT NANG SENADOR, LABING-ANIM ANG TWO THIRDS NITO
00:31SABIN NANG TATLO SA AMNICHI CURE, MAARING MABAGO ANG PAGBABASIHAN BILANG NANG MGA SENADOR
00:38KAPWA BINANGGIT NI NA RETIRED CHIEF JUSTICE ARTEMIO PANGANIBAN
00:42AT RETIRED CHIEF JUSTICE RAINATO PUNO
00:45ANG KAPANGYARIHAN NANG SENADO SA IMPEACHMENT
00:47KABILANG ANG DESISYON SA ISSUE NANG THRESHOLD SA PAGBOTO
00:51ARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 SHOULD HAVE SIMPLY STATED
00:59THAT THE NUMBER OF VOTES TO CONVICT IS 16 PERIOD
01:08BUT ARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 DID NOT SAY SO
01:14INSTEAD THE LANGUAGE USE A FRACTION
01:21IT SAYS TWO THIRDS OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE SENATE
01:29BY USING TWO THIRDS
01:35THE NUMBER OF VOTES TO CONVICT WILL HAVE TO MOVE
01:41DEPENDING ON CERTAIN FACTORS
01:47BUT MORE THAN THAT, YOUR HONORS
01:51A STRICT STAND-ALONE LITERAL INTERPRETATION
01:56OF PARTICLE 11 SECTION 3.6 MAY RESULT IN ABSURDITIES
02:05AND MAY RESULT IN INJUSTICES
02:11WHICH WILL DEFIT THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSTITUTION
02:16REALITY SOMETIMES, YOUR HONORS,
02:20CHANGES THE DENOMINATOR IN MATHEMATICS
02:23IN THE SAME WAY, CONSTITUTIONAL INTERPRETATION
02:27CANNOT ALWAYS STOP AT ABSTRACT MATHEMATICS
02:32WE MUST LOOK AT THE INTENT
02:34AND THE PURPOSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS
02:38THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY OPERATE
02:41HINDI NAKADALO SI RETURN CHIEF JUSTICE
02:43LARIO DAVIDE JR. KAYA BINASA NA LANG
02:46ANG IPINADALAN NYANG POSISYON SA ISSUE
02:49CLEARLY THEN, THE BASIS OF COMPUTING,
02:51THE TWO THIRDS MUST BE THE NUMBER
02:53OF SENATORS WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO VOTE,
02:56NOT THE 24 IN THE PRESENT SENATE.
02:58ALL THOSE DISQUALIFIED BY REASON OF CAUSES
03:01EARLIER MENTIONED SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
03:03Tingin ni Davide, nakasama sa mga bumalangkas ng 1987 Constitution,
03:08hindi intensyon ng framers ng Constitution na isama sa all members
03:14ang mga na-expell na, mga hindi nakadala sa hearing,
03:17tulad ng mga nasa ibang bansa,
03:19yung mga nagtatago para hindi maaresto,
03:22yung mga naharap sa legal impediment or restraint,
03:25gaya ng naharap sa kasong plunder at iba pa.
03:28Pero hindi sang-ayon dito,
03:30si Retard Supreme Court Associate Justice Adolfo Azcuna,
03:33na isa rin sa framers ng 1987 Constitution.
03:37Sa jaraw, pinahirap ang requirement para hindi basta napapatalsik
03:42ang isang opisyal na halal ng taong bayan.
03:44That the reference in this provision is to all members of the Senate.
03:52As long as they are members of the Senate,
03:55they constitute the denominator and computing the threshold of two-thirds.
04:03Because all means all.
04:06Tinanong din ang impeachment court,
04:08pwede bang bumoto ang isang senator judge na hindi substantial
04:12ang paglahok sa trial?
04:14Sagot ni Puno,
04:15maaaring ikonsidera ng mga senator judge
04:18ang iba pa nilang kasamahan na nakakulong.
04:21Bagamat ideal daw na nakita ng isang judge
04:25ang testimonya na isang witness,
04:27pwede rin naman daw siyang magdesisyon
04:29batay sa mga dokumento.
04:30At sa mga korte,
04:32pwede rin daw na online ang witness.
04:34Tanong naman ni panganiban,
04:36makatotohanan at patas bang payagan
04:39ang mga absent na senador
04:41na bumoto kahit hindi naman nila narinig ang testimonya
04:45ng mga witness
04:45at hindi nakita ang kanilang kilos.
04:48You are tasked with a constitutional duty
04:51that cannot always be reduced
04:54to abstract arithmetic.
04:58Neither
05:01can such duty be performed
05:03in the shadows of absence,
05:06nor from legal impediments.
05:08I respectfully submit
05:09that only in this manner
05:11can your honours
05:13ensure a verdict
05:14that is fair to the parties,
05:16fair to your honours' peers,
05:19and ultimately,
05:21fair to our sovereign people.
05:24Sabi ni Ascuna,
05:25internal matter ito
05:27para sa impeachment court
05:28pero sa tingin niya,
05:29may ding payagan ng judge
05:31na nakapanumpa.
05:33Para kay Davide,
05:34ang senador na hindi nakadalo
05:36ng kahit isang sesyo
05:37ng impeachment court
05:38ay dapat ituring na tulad
05:40nung mga nasa
05:41labas ng horisdiksyon
05:42ng Pilipinas.
05:44Bago pa mag-umpisa
05:45ang mismong trial
05:46nitong Julio,
05:47nagpasya
05:48ang iniluklok na
05:49presiding officer
05:50na si Senador
05:51Cheez Escudero
05:52na labing-anim
05:53ang kailangan boto
05:54para makonvict.
05:56Sabi ni panganiban kanina,
05:58maaring baguhin ni Escudero
05:59ang kanyang naging pasya.
06:01Pero tugon ni Escudero,
06:03mas mainam na pagbotohan ito
06:05ng impeachment court
06:06para malinaw.
06:07Tanong naman ni Sen. Judge
06:08Kiko Pangilinan,
06:10kung gagawin
06:11ang pagbabagong ito
06:12sa kalagitnaan na
06:13ng impeachment proceedings,
06:15malalabag ba
06:15ang due process
06:16ng respondent
06:17na si Vice President
06:18Sara Duterte?
06:21Wala pa pong paglabag
06:23sapagkat hindi pa kayo
06:25bumoboto eh.
06:26In other words,
06:27it has not been implemented.
06:29You are doing this
06:32meeting so that
06:33you cannot be accused
06:34of grave abuse
06:35of discretion.
06:36Kung ang ginagawa po
06:38ay tinatalakay.
06:40Kung ano talaga yung
06:43meaning
06:47particular rule na yun,
06:51ay hindi po
06:52changing the rule yun.
06:54Ay tinatama lang yung
06:57dapat na maging
07:00interpretation
07:01ng rule.
07:03Dapat mag
07:04yung aakit sa
07:06Supreme Court
07:07mas demonstrate
07:08an injury.
07:12Paano mong i-de-demonstrate
07:14yung injury na yun?
07:17Kung wala pang
07:18final
07:20interpretation
07:21yung
07:22Senate.
07:24I fully
07:25concur with my
07:26colleagues,
07:27Your Honor,
07:28because the
07:29question
07:30of the
07:31interpretation
07:32of the
07:34two-thirds
07:34is a
07:35procedural
07:36matter.
07:38And
07:38procedural
07:39matters
07:40can be
07:40retroactive.
07:41There is
07:42no vested
07:43right
07:43to a
07:44procedure.
07:45Nagpatanong
07:46din ang mga
07:47abogado ng
07:47BICE sa
07:48pamamagitan
07:49ni Escudero.
07:50Kung maaari
07:51palang baguhin
07:52ang bilang
07:53ng botong
07:53itinakda
07:54ng saligang
07:55batas
07:55para sa
07:56mga
07:56kritikal
07:56na usapin,
07:57kagaya
07:58ng impeachment
07:59at
07:59deklarasyon
08:00ng
08:00martial law,
08:01ano po
08:02ang garantiya
08:03na hindi
08:03ito gagamitin
08:04para siguruhin
08:05ng isang
08:06pangulo
08:07o opisyal
08:08at kanyang
08:09mga
08:09kaalyado
08:09ay mananatili
08:10sa kapangyarihan
08:11at supili
08:12ng kanilang
08:13mga
08:13kalaban
08:13sa
08:14politika.
08:14Kaya
08:15nga po,
08:15yan po
08:15ang
08:16panganib
08:17na
08:19abusuhin
08:20ng isang
08:21pangulo
08:22the power
08:23of who
08:24can
08:24attend,
08:25who can
08:26prevent
08:28the
08:28fellow
08:29members
08:30from
08:30attending
08:31the
08:32proceedings.
08:33Sabi
08:34ni
08:34Senator
08:34Judge
08:35Pia
08:35Cayetano,
08:36may mga
08:37dahilan
08:37kung bakit
08:38wala sa
08:38impeachment
08:39trial
08:39ang mga
08:40kasamahan
08:40nila.
08:41We have
08:41two
08:42senators
08:42in jail.
08:43Another
08:43senator
08:44is in
08:44hiding
08:45because
08:45he was
08:45threatened
08:46na maglalabas
08:47ng
08:47ICC
08:47warrant.
08:48And
08:48then
08:48a
08:49fourth
08:49senator
08:49is
08:51on
08:51medical
08:51leave
08:51but
08:52she
08:52also
08:52was
08:53told
08:54na
08:54mapafiilan
08:54siya
08:54ng
08:55plunder
08:55cases.
08:55So
08:56I
08:57will
08:57tell
08:58you
08:58all
08:58now
08:58am
08:59I
08:59pressured?
09:00I
09:01am.
09:02I
09:03am.
09:08I
09:08fear
09:09for
09:09my
09:09liberty.
09:10Paalala
09:11ni
09:11puno
09:12kailangan
09:13matiyak
09:13na walang
09:14malalabag
09:14na
09:14karapatan
09:15para
09:15hindi
09:16ito
09:16maireklama
09:16sa
09:17Korte
09:17Suprema
09:17bilang
09:18grave
09:18abuse
09:19of
09:19discretion.
09:20Marereview
09:21lang
09:22po
09:22yan
09:22kapag
09:23kayong
09:24naging
09:25kapasyahan
09:26ng
09:27Senate
09:28Impeachment
09:30Court
09:31ay
09:32lalabag
09:33halimbawa
09:33doon
09:35sa
09:35karapatan
09:36ng
09:36isang
09:37respondent
09:38example
09:40karapatan
09:41to have
09:42judges
09:43who are
09:44fair
09:44and
09:45imparsyan.
09:46The
09:46Supreme
09:47Court
09:47has
09:48definite
09:48standards
09:50to follow
09:50to decide
09:52cases
09:52involving
09:53violations
09:54of due
09:55process.
09:55Sabi
09:56ni
09:57panganiban
09:57simple
09:58lang
09:58ang
09:58batayan
09:58kung
09:59dapat
09:59bang
09:59bumoto
10:00ang
10:00isang
10:00senator
10:01judge
10:01na
10:01hindi
10:02naman
10:02present
10:03sa
10:03trial.
10:04Are they
10:04in a
10:05position
10:05to know
10:05the
10:06truth
10:07so
10:07that
10:08they
10:08can
10:08render
10:08a
10:09fair
10:10judgment?
10:11If
10:12they're
10:12not
10:12in a
10:12position
10:13to know
10:13the
10:13truth
10:14then
10:15they
10:15should
10:15not
10:15dare
10:16vote
10:17and
10:17participate
10:18because
10:19that
10:19will
10:20be
10:20unfairness
10:21to
10:21our
10:21people.
10:21Ang
10:22hinahanap
10:23po
10:23ng
10:23ating
10:23bayan
10:24ay
10:26justicia
10:27mula
10:28sa
10:28Senado.
10:29I speak
10:30from the
10:30point of
10:30view
10:31of
10:32those
10:32of
10:33our
10:33people
10:33not
10:35from
10:35the
10:35point
10:35of
10:35view
10:35of
10:35the
10:36judges.
10:37Ako
10:37si
10:38Sandra
10:38Aguinaldo
10:39ang
10:39inyong
10:40saksi.
10:41Pwede
10:42nga bang
10:42panghimasukan
10:43ng
10:43Korte
10:44Suprema
10:44ang issue
10:45ng
10:45kung ilang
10:45boto
10:46ang
10:46kailangan
10:46para
10:46ma-convict
10:47o
10:47ma-acquit
10:48si
10:48Vice
10:48President
10:49Sara
10:49Duterte
10:49sa
10:50impeachment
10:50trial?
10:51Isa
10:51po
10:51yan
10:51sa
10:52mga
10:52issue
10:52na
10:52tinalakay
10:53sa
10:53pagharap
10:54ng
10:54Amici
10:54Curie
10:54o
10:55mga
10:55rehistad
10:56o
10:56retirado
10:56Mahistrado
10:57ng
10:57Korte
10:58Suprema.
10:59Ang
10:59pananaw
10:59ng
11:00ma-eksperto
11:00saksiha
11:01sa aking
11:02report.
11:06Noong
11:07simula pa lang
11:07ng impeachment
11:08trial ni
11:08Vice
11:08President
11:09Sara
11:09Duterte
11:10nabanggit
11:10ni
11:11Presiding
11:11Officer
11:11Chief
11:12Escudero
11:12na kung
11:13mayroong
11:13gustong
11:14kumestyon
11:14sa inilatag
11:15niyang
11:15labing
11:15anim
11:16na
11:16boto
11:16ang
11:16kailangan
11:17para
11:17ma-convict
11:18ang
11:18vice
11:18presidente
11:18pwede
11:19silang
11:20umakyat
11:20sa
11:20Korte
11:20Suprema.
11:21Pero
11:22kung
11:22sinasabi
11:23ng
11:231987
11:23Constitution
11:24na
11:26ang
11:27cases,
11:28pwede
11:29bang
11:29panghimasukan
11:29ng
11:30Korte
11:30Suprema
11:30ang
11:31issue
11:31ng
11:31voting
11:31threshold?
11:32Sa
11:33pananaw
11:33ni
11:33Atty.
11:34Adonis
11:34Gabriel,
11:35professor
11:35sa
11:35Sanbede
11:36University
11:36College
11:37of Law,
11:37isayan
11:38sa
11:38pinakamahalagang
11:39diskusyon
11:39sa
11:39pagharap
11:40ng
11:40mga
11:40retirado
11:40maestrado
11:41ng
11:41Supreme
11:41Court
11:42na
11:42next
11:42living
11:43Amici
11:43Curie
11:44sa
11:44Senate
11:44Impeachment
11:45Court.
11:45Pinakamahalagang
11:46punto
11:46dito
11:47Pia
11:47ay
11:47yung
11:48pag-confirm
11:48dun sa
11:49kapangyarihan
11:50ng Senado
11:51na mag-desisyon
11:51kung ano
11:52yung
11:54gagamitin
11:54nilang
11:55denominator.
11:56So,
11:57yun ang
11:58diniin
11:58ng apat
11:59na
11:59maestrado
12:00na
12:00merong
12:00mga
12:01issues
12:01na
12:02pwede
12:02nilang
12:02desisyonan.
12:03Importanyaan niya
12:04ang pagtalakay
12:05sa issue
12:05ng mga
12:06purely
12:06political
12:07question
12:07o yung
12:08mga
12:08tanong
12:08na
12:08pwedeng
12:09desisyonan
12:09ng
12:09Senate
12:09Impeachment
12:10Court
12:10at
12:11purely
12:11justiciable
12:12question
12:12na
12:13pwedeng
12:13i-review
12:14ng
12:14Supreme
12:14Court
12:14kung may
12:15grave
12:15abuse
12:15of
12:16discretion.
12:16Kailan
12:17po ba
12:17magiging
12:17justiciable
12:18question
12:18po
12:19itong
12:19issue
12:19na
12:19ito?
12:20Ang
12:21purely
12:21justiciable
12:22question
12:22ay mga
12:23question
12:23tungkol
12:24sa
12:24batas
12:25o
12:25sa
12:25doon
12:26sa
12:27konstitusyon.
12:28So,
12:28purely
12:28justiciable
12:29question
12:29implies
12:31violation
12:31of
12:32law
12:32or
12:32violation
12:32of
12:33the
12:33constitution.
12:34Purely
12:34political
12:34question
12:35ito
12:35yung
12:35mga
12:35question
12:36of
12:36wisdom
12:36or
12:37policy.
12:44Sa
12:45rules
12:45of
12:46the
12:46Senate
12:46kung
12:48makikita
12:49nyo,
12:50hindi
12:51po
12:51sinasubmit
12:52yan
12:52sa
12:53Korte
12:53Suprema
12:54para
12:54pagtibayin
12:55ng
12:55Korte
12:56Suprema.
12:58That
12:58shows
12:59the
12:59independence
13:00of
13:01the
13:01Senate
13:02Impeachment
13:03Court
13:03even
13:04in the
13:05making
13:06of
13:06its
13:07internal
13:08rules.
13:09Ay
13:09kay Puno
13:10papasok
13:10ang
13:11Korte
13:11Suprema
13:11kung may
13:12grave
13:12abuse
13:12of
13:12discretion.
13:13Mare-review
13:14lang po
13:15yan
13:15kapag
13:16kayong
13:17naging
13:18kapasyahan
13:19ng
13:20Senate
13:22Impeachment
13:23Court
13:24ay
13:25lalabag
13:25halimbawa
13:26doon
13:28sa
13:28karapatan
13:29ng
13:29isang
13:30respondent.
13:32Example,
13:33karapatan
13:33to have
13:34judges
13:36who are
13:37fair
13:37and
13:38impartial.
13:39That
13:39will
13:40be a
13:40violation
13:41of
13:41the
13:41due
13:42process
13:42clause
13:43of
13:44the
13:44Constitution
13:44and
13:46the
13:46Supreme
13:47Court
13:47has
13:47definite
13:48standards
13:49to
13:50follow
13:50to
13:51decide
13:51cases
13:52involving
13:53violations
13:54of
13:54due
13:54process.
13:55Si
13:56retired
13:56Supreme
13:57Court
13:57Associate
13:57Justice
13:58Adolf
13:58Ascuna
13:58naniniwalang
14:00fixed
14:00o hindi
14:01nagbabago
14:01ang
14:0116
14:02threshold.
14:03Kung
14:03ipipilit
14:04anya
14:04na magkaroon
14:04ng
14:05desisyon
14:05ng
14:05di
14:05binibilang
14:06ang
14:06mga
14:06senador
14:07na
14:07hindi
14:07nakakadalo
14:08sa
14:08mga
14:08pagginig,
14:09posibleng
14:09makwestiyon
14:10ito
14:10sa
14:10Korte
14:11Suprema.
14:11Baka
14:12magkaroon
14:13ng
14:13depekto
14:13yung
14:14judgment
14:14supposing
14:16there is
14:16a
14:16judgment
14:17of
14:17conviction
14:18maari
14:18pong
14:19i-reverse
14:20ng
14:20Supreme
14:20Court
14:21yan.
14:21Ang
14:22halimbawang
14:23inilatag
14:23sa
14:23kanya
14:23ni
14:24Senador
14:24Panfilo
14:24Lacson
14:25paano
14:25kung
14:26siyam
14:26na
14:26senador
14:26ang
14:27stranded
14:27sa
14:27Middle
14:27East
14:28at
14:28di
14:28talaga
14:28makabalik
14:29at
14:2915
14:29lang
14:30ang
14:30natira
14:30sa
14:31Pilipinas
14:31para
14:31maglitis.
14:32There can
14:33be no
14:34conviction
14:35based
14:36on
14:36the
14:37two
14:38thirds
14:38of
14:39all
14:39the
14:39members.
14:40There
14:40are
14:41occasions
14:41when
14:42accountability
14:43through
14:43impeachment
14:44will
14:45fail
14:45but
14:46there
14:46are
14:46other
14:46modes
14:47of
14:47accountability
14:48criminal
14:49case
14:49for
14:49instance
14:51for
14:51future
14:52of
14:52cases
14:52and
14:53ultimately
14:54the
14:55ballot
14:55box.
14:56Sa
14:56pananaw
14:57naman
14:57ni
14:57Retired
14:58Chief
14:58Justice
14:58Artemio
14:59Pangaliban
14:59Jr.,
15:00kailangan
15:00magkaroon
15:01pa rin
15:01na
15:01desisyon.
15:02Our
15:02constitution,
15:03therefore
15:04our people
15:04who ratified
15:05the
15:06constitution
15:06wanted
15:09the
15:10Supreme
15:10Court
15:10to
15:11settle
15:11this
15:11question
15:12then
15:12it
15:13should
15:13have
15:13provided
15:14that
15:14the
15:14constitution
15:15should
15:15be
15:16the
15:17tribunal
15:17that
15:18will
15:18decide
15:18impeachment
15:19cases.
15:20Hindi
15:20po
15:21ganun
15:21eh.
15:22Ang
15:22sinabi
15:22ng
15:22Constitution
15:23mga
15:24senador
15:24kayo
15:25po
15:25magde-decide
15:26kayo
15:27po
15:27ang
15:27hari
15:27rito
15:29kayo
15:29po
15:29ang
15:29masusunod.
15:30Political
15:31question
15:32means
15:32a
15:33question
15:33that
15:33should
15:34be
15:34decided
15:34by
15:35the
15:35people
15:36when
15:37a
15:37question
15:37should
15:38be
15:38decided
15:38by
15:39the
15:39people
15:39then
15:40the
15:40Supreme
15:40Court
15:41should
15:41be
15:41hands
15:41off.
15:42That's
15:43what's
15:43meant
15:44by a
15:44political
15:44question.
15:46Sa issue
15:47ng
15:47grave
15:47abuse
15:47of
15:47discretion
15:48paliwalag
15:48ni
15:49panganiban.
15:49Were you
15:50capricious?
15:51Were you
15:51whimsical?
15:52Were you
15:53arbitrary
15:54in
15:54making
15:55your
15:55decision?
15:56If you
15:57were
15:57debating
15:58about it
15:59and in fact
16:00you called
16:01on the
16:02sweethearts
16:02of the
16:03Supreme
16:03Court
16:05to help
16:06you
16:06with this
16:07short
16:08of telling
16:08you
16:08what
16:09the
16:09decision
16:09should
16:10be
16:10because
16:11we
16:11cannot
16:11do
16:12that
16:12we
16:13can
16:13only
16:13say
16:13you
16:14decide
16:15on
16:16the
16:16basis
16:16of
16:17the
16:17mandate
16:18given
16:18to
16:18you
16:19by
16:19our
16:19people
16:21Supreme
16:22Court
16:22should
16:23not
16:23intervene
16:24as a
16:24matter
16:24of
16:25fact
16:25from
16:26my
16:26personal
16:26point
16:27of
16:27view
16:27I
16:28think
16:28it
16:28should
16:28not
16:29interfere
16:29only
16:30in
16:31super
16:31grave
16:32abuse
16:32of
16:33discretion
16:33should
16:34it
16:34interfere
16:35Sa susunod na linggo
16:36kabilang sa ipinasapina ng Senate Impeachment Court
16:39ang kapatid ng Vice Presidente
16:41na si Davao City Mayor Bastet Duterte
16:43posibleng tumastigo siya sa September 23
16:46kagray sa kumpanya
16:47kung saan stockholder ang vicepresidente
16:49at kung may transaction ito sa city government
16:51wala pang payag tungkol dito si Mayor Duterte
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