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00:00All right, Dave, give us some music. We'll continue our symposium series as we walk up to the start of
00:05the regular season.
00:09All right, outline this again, because there was major confusion when we did this.
00:13All right, gentlemen, I'm going to give you eight quarterbacks this week. This is part two.
00:18The categories are this. They are a superstar.
00:23They are a playmaker. Quarterback can be a game manager, a scratch off, scratch off like a scratch off ticket.
00:33When you first get the ticket, you're thinking maybe I want a million dollars.
00:37But the more you scratch off the ticket, the more you realize this ticket is worthless.
00:41So the more you see a quarterback, he starts to lose value.
00:45And then the final one is stopgap. He's just here until next year's draft.
00:51Got it. OK, you guys ready? Yeah, I'll try this again.
00:54OK, let's start you off with something simple.
00:58We will go to Cincinnati. Joe Burrow.
01:02This is going to be controversial because he doesn't stay healthy when he's healthy.
01:07He's a superstar and he went to a Super Bowl.
01:11But I understand if people say scratch off that the more he's exposed, the more he can get hurt.
01:19I'm trying to play this by your rules.
01:21I think if he's healthy, he's one of the five best QBs in the sport.
01:25OK, but the problem, he ain't ever healthy.
01:28So you're saying scratch off. I don't know what I'm saying.
01:33It's so confusing.
01:34I will actually agree with this because I this is I've been a big Joe Burrow guy, especially after his
01:40remarkable season at LSU.
01:42And I'm just at the point with it where, like you said, Mike, when he's on there, when the best
01:47talents, but you can't promise he'll be out there the whole time.
01:51So I'll say scratch off. But with a little with a gold.
01:53You got to protect him. And the more you expose him, the more likely is to just die.
01:59It's I like this.
02:01This is this. I'm trying to play this game better since I butchered it when we did it last.
02:06You know what? Last think of last week is week zero.
02:08OK, we're here now.
02:10So I was thinking playmaker because he wins games for his team.
02:15He don't let these two sway.
02:17I'm not. I wasn't thinking scratch off at all.
02:19I'm I'm staying at playmaker.
02:21I believe that's what Joe Burrow is.
02:23OK, David, I'm going to go the same with you.
02:27I still think he's a playmaker, but I I see where you two are going with this.
02:32If I do this next year and he's hurt again, he's scratch.
02:35That's OK. He lost all.
02:37Well, he's going to be the Jets QB next year.
02:39So that'll be exciting.
02:40Or the Steelers.
02:41Something. I don't think I'll be in Cincinnati.
02:43OK, I thought this.
02:45The last one was easy.
02:46I think this one.
02:47This one may be easy.
02:50He we found out he just won the starting job.
02:53We go to Las Vegas.
02:55Kirk Cousins.
02:56Stopcat.
02:58He'll he'll be benched by week seven.
03:00I think this is the perfect guy to just be there six, seven weeks, steal a few dollars.
03:05And then they hand it over to his godson, weirdo Mendoza.
03:09Stopgap.
03:11Yeah, I'll go stopgap as well.
03:12If we're having this conversation about him about five to eight years ago, it'd be a much different thing.
03:16But he's at the end of his career.
03:18He was a game manager, to speak.
03:19Point. Yeah.
03:20Great.
03:20A good one.
03:21But he's a game manager.
03:22He is definitely a stopgap.
03:24It is time for the next quarterback.
03:27I join you.
03:28We're all going to say stopgap.
03:30Made over $300 million.
03:33My God.
03:34My God.
03:36Very rich stopgap.
03:37Right.
03:39Okay.
03:41David, we go to the Steel City.
03:45We go to Pittsburgh.
03:46He's trash.
03:48Aaron.
03:48That's not a category.
03:50Aaron Rodgers.
03:51Okay.
03:51I'll say it for David.
03:53Stopgap.
03:53But in the absence of actually having someone to give the job to, he is a stopgap.
03:59And they have to keep stopping the gap because they don't acquire a QB.
04:03He's a stopgap.
04:05He doesn't push the football down the field.
04:07He doesn't have the mobility he once had.
04:09He doesn't have the playmaking ability he once had.
04:11And I'm leaving out the fact that he's a horse's ass who sucks on tree bark as some offseason hallucinogen.
04:18So look, he's a stopgap.
04:20The difference is, his bum-ass team, they ain't got nobody waiting in the wings unless you consider Drew Aller
04:26stopgap.
04:28Will Levis is available.
04:29Oh, good Lord.
04:30What about Will Howard?
04:32Hey, hey, hey, David.
04:33You got nothing right now.
04:35Beggars can't be choosy.
04:38Yeah.
04:38For the sole reason that they don't have anyone in the wings or as a backup that you think, okay,
04:43by week eight they could start,
04:44I'm going to list Aaron Rodgers as a scratch-off for the sole reason that some people are still biting
04:48the hype.
04:49But once again, he's old and as the season goes on, you're going to realize, oh, it's Aaron Rodgers at
04:53this point in his career.
04:56I know.
04:57A year-to-year stopgap.
04:58Yeah, he's a year-to-year.
05:00They'll reset, though.
05:01David, because you don't have anybody in the wings and because I could easily see him coming out of retirement
05:07again,
05:08I'm going to say he's a gang manager.
05:09He does just enough to win games and to keep you out of the first overall pick.
05:16So I'm going to go gang manager for Aaron Rodgers.
05:21Let's go out to LA.
05:26Matthew Stafford.
05:28Superstar.
05:30I mean, he just won the MVP last year.
05:32I know he's at an advanced age, but he still can sling it with the best of them.
05:36He makes a ton of plays.
05:38Infinitely durable.
05:39Infinitely tough.
05:41Superstar.
05:43Yeah, superstar.
05:44Nothing more even.
05:45I always thought he was a superstar even going back to his Detroit days.
05:48People want to say, you know, oh, you know, Matthew Stattpadford, whatever the hell it was.
05:53But, yeah, no, he's an all-time superstar.
05:55Yeah, that's no question.
05:56He is a superstar, MVP-type guy after just winning it, but he could get another one.
06:02Yeah, you know what?
06:03It amazes me, but he's actually one of those few people who have gotten better.
06:07I don't know if it's the people around him or if it's the system, but he has gotten better
06:12because he was Pat Stafford or Stattpadford.
06:17Stattpadford.
06:18I'm going to go with the same superstar, so we're all agreeing.
06:20Oh, that was a good bit back in the day.
06:23All right, Michael.
06:24Michael, he used to be your quarterback, but now he's down in Indianapolis.
06:28We go with Daniel Jones.
06:30Oh, dear.
06:35It's between game manager and scratch-off.
06:39There is an element where he can make plays, but, again, the injuries.
06:43The more he makes plays, the more he detonates.
06:47I just think he's a scratch-off.
06:50You've got to protect him.
06:52A game manager is only as valuable as his ability to stay in the game.
06:56You've got to protect this guy.
06:57The minute he starts trying to make plays, which he can make, he dies.
07:01Scratch-off.
07:02I'm going game manager for Daniel Jones.
07:04I do see Mike's point about him being a scratch-off, but at the same time, I really liked what
07:08he did last year,
07:09and I feel like some of his injuries were a little fluky, like what, both legs end up dying.
07:13I mean, I felt bad for the guy, but, yeah, when he's on and he's playing right,
07:17and the supporting cast around him is game manager.
07:21The first category I thought of when the name was presented was scratch-off,
07:25but I'm going to go with the actual stopgap.
07:28I really and truly think that they are going to move on, and they probably want to move on.
07:33I just don't see them having a good year.
07:36Well, here's the good thing, David.
07:37You're not that far off because the Colts have shown, hey, we could draft a quarterback high,
07:41and if we don't like him, we will move on and get another one.
07:44So you may be right.
07:45Like, I look at how he played before he got injured, and I was shocked
07:50because I didn't think he was going to be that good listening to you,
07:53and then he goes to Andy, and it's like, who is this guy?
07:56There was a fleeting few weeks there where you went, what is this?
08:00I'm going to still give him a game manager status.
08:03I'm with Corbin.
08:04Okay.
08:05Let's go with Tennessee Titan quarterback Cam Ward.
08:11Playmaker.
08:13He's a playmaker.
08:14He's unconventional.
08:15It'll be a little bit of a high-wire act.
08:17He's not a scratch-off, though.
08:19His game is tied to pushing the football down the field, off-platform throws.
08:23He's got an absolutely nuclear arm.
08:25I'm going to say playmaker.
08:27I will be going playmaker as well, albeit the Titans were not great last year.
08:32They might not be great this year, but he has the makings of being a special talent
08:36in the NFL, in my opinion.
08:37Yeah, this is definitely based on projection because they didn't show any of that,
08:42but he started to show a little bit of that at the end of the year,
08:45being a playmaker, so I'm going to stick with playmakers as well.
08:48I'm going to agree with you three.
08:50I look at the tools that he has, and he was shaky, but he started getting better and better.
08:55They went out there, and they got him a wide receiver.
08:58We'll see how that works out.
08:59But, yes, he's got an arm.
09:01Let's see if he can just hone that talent and really get things done.
09:04But, yes, I'm going to give him a playmaker as well.
09:07I think it's also very difficult to just take a rookie.
09:09You're being drafted to a god-awful team, and then you're trying to put him in a different silo
09:14because, what, it didn't look like when he was at Washington State or Miami?
09:17No, he's still a playmaker.
09:19Like, I'm not willing to say this guy's Josh Rosen.
09:22There's a reason why a team has the number one pick.
09:25Correct.
09:25You don't have anything else.
09:26So, you put him around nothing when you draft him.
09:30We've been talking about this guy all day.
09:34Lions quarterback, Jared Goff.
09:36Game manager.
09:38That's what he is.
09:40Needs a great running game.
09:42Hard play action on 35% of dropbacks, and he'll put up a 4,000-yard season with 30 touchdowns.
09:48In the absence of those things, and you need him to be more of a playmaker, that ain't going to
09:53happen.
09:54Superstar.
09:54Forget about it.
09:55He's a high-level game manager that you can win a Super Bowl with, but he's a game manager.
10:01So, I will say he is a game manager 100%, but there are times he can be a little scratch
10:07-offish, in my opinion.
10:09There's moments where you're kind of towards the end of last season where, you know, everybody around him starts to
10:13die out,
10:14and you think, oh, you know, this is why he kind of needs everything to be at least an A
10:17- to be truly successful.
10:20I don't want to agree with everything you just said, Corbin, but I agree with everything you just said.
10:24Because I was almost pushing him to scratch-off, but he's not quite where Aaron Rodgers is, so I have
10:31to still say game manager.
10:32They are nothing alike.
10:33How dare you?
10:34I'm talking about age-wise.
10:35Eventually, he'll get to that age where he'll become the scratch-off, where, you know, he doesn't have things around
10:40him, and he'll be correct.
10:41Lost his value?
10:41Correct.
10:42Gotcha.
10:43But he hasn't.
10:44I'm going to agree with you guys.
10:45I think he is a game manager, and I know a lot of people see game manager as this dirty
10:50word, but I don't.
10:51It means, you know what?
10:53Let's punt the ball on fourth down if we have to.
10:56Let's not put the defense in a bad spot.
10:59It's a game manager.
11:00And when we can, let's score.
11:02Finally, last one.
11:05Kansas City Chief Quarterback, Patrick Mahomes.
11:08I know he's been turned into a little bit more of a game manager because they've had a really big
11:15talent erosion.
11:16He's still a superstar.
11:18He's still Pat Mahomes.
11:21And chips down, I got one game to win in this league.
11:24That's the guy I'm taking.
11:25He's a superstar.
11:27A superstar 100%.
11:28I'm 25 years old, and he is arguably one of the top three quarterbacks I've ever had the privilege to
11:34watch with my own two eyes.
11:38I'm going to stick with game manager here.
11:40Wow.
11:41I just think that's where he is in his career.
11:43Again, people look at it as a negative when you say that, but I'll say it again.
11:48Tom Brady was the greatest game manager in NFL history.
11:52You can still be outstanding as that, and I think he will for the rest of his career.
11:57Game manager.
11:59I'm going to disagree with you all.
12:01I'm going to still say he's a playmaker.
12:03He used to be a superstar, but now he's a playmaker where he can still extend the play.
12:10He can still pick up that fourth down, but he's not quite where he used to be where he was
12:15the end-all, be-all.
12:16And, yes, a lot of it is officially aided because the officials do bail out Kansas City at times.
12:22That'd be crazy.
12:23But I'm going to say that he is a playmaker.
12:27All right.
12:28That's part two of the quarterback symposium.
12:31Stick around.
12:32Part three will be coming up soon.
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