00:00And with us here at Fenway, a guy who we're going to talk to about a couple of things.
00:05He was down to the whole Jalen Brown extravaganza where no Celtics were there,
00:11just the mayor naming us, didn't even name a street after him, just gave him like a street sign, right?
00:15Yeah, just a street sign.
00:17It's like, okay, cool.
00:18And I got like weirdly emotional.
00:20Nice, you put my name on a sign.
00:22I think you could have done that on Canva before I showed up.
00:26I thought that was weird.
00:27I was like, oh, they're naming a street after him.
00:28They're like, no, they're just giving him a sign that happens to have his name on it.
00:31And that was very odd.
00:33But Justin Turpin is also a guy who's been down at camp ever since this thing started.
00:39And now he sits here as we look at this big roster that has finally settled.
00:44And Justin, thanks for coming out with us, man.
00:46We appreciate it.
00:47Yeah, of course.
00:47Thanks for having me on.
00:49So what do you make of the final cut and everything that you've seen?
00:54I know there's a lot of talk about how looking at what's here, it seems like Vrabel was right.
01:00Not a lot of depth, correct?
01:02Yeah, for sure.
01:03And I don't think there were many cuts on roster cut down day yesterday that were particularly surprising.
01:07I feel like this one was pretty straightforward.
01:09But there is certainly some interesting areas on the roster here.
01:13Isn't that interesting, though, that there was no surprises?
01:17Doesn't it tell you something about the roster?
01:19It tells you about the depth, that they don't have it.
01:20That there are no surprise cuts because they didn't really have to worry about that.
01:24The front line players are the front line players.
01:26And then what's behind them, there's still a lot to be desired.
01:29And I just want to real quick, sorry, Rich, just to inject this thought because it's been on my brain
01:34the last couple of days.
01:36Everybody's been talking about how lackadaisical the effort was in that last preseason game,
01:40how guys just had no energy, they were getting run on.
01:43It's because all those guys out there playing new, nothing they did in that game was going to make a
01:48difference.
01:49They were already decided who was making the team because they were in street clothes.
01:54So it almost makes that third preseason game.
01:56I'm not surprised guys weren't balling out.
01:59They also played that Saturday.
02:00Those guys got a ton of reps at the end of camp.
02:02At that point, you're just gassed.
02:04It was so condensed into the schedule where, yeah, of course they're not going to have it all at the
02:09end.
02:10And those guys, I'd push back a little bit.
02:12I think those guys would be trying to kind of make their last case for, if not the Patriots, another
02:16team, try to put that on film.
02:18So maybe I'd push back on that.
02:19But I think it was just how condensed the schedule was.
02:23They were just out of gas.
02:24Think about the hours wasted, Rich, for Terp at those preseason games.
02:28That's like nine hours of his life watching guys that did not make the roster.
02:32You should sue the NFL, get Glassman on the phone, or at least get a bye week or something.
02:36Dude, seriously, there's no surprises, and I agree with you, but there's one guy that was the talk of the
02:44town.
02:44No one could stop talking about this guy.
02:46He doesn't make the roster opening day, but now he does this year.
02:51No one's talking about it.
02:52Efton Chisholm.
02:52It's like, dude, this guy was like, everybody was talking about Efton Chisholm this time last year.
02:57Oh, he didn't make the team.
02:58And now he makes it.
02:59No one's talking about it.
03:00And that was partially like the Kayshawn booty trade.
03:02There's a lot of factors into that.
03:04Obviously, he's in a contract year.
03:06You want to let him kind of maximize his value.
03:08But also, that's a bet on Kyle Williams.
03:10In some ways, Efton Chisholm as well, where if you wanted to keep Kayshawn booty, the answer would have been
03:15just let Efton Chisholm go.
03:17But they clearly believe in him as well.
03:18So, yeah, I don't think there's a lot of talk about that because I think he did enough to solidify
03:23his spot where it really would have been super surprising had they cut him.
03:27Oh, my God.
03:28I'm sorry, Rich, to break in with breaking news.
03:31This is tragedy.
03:31The Cowboys have released Joe Milton.
03:34I cannot believe it.
03:36Oh, no.
03:37Bazooka Joe.
03:38Not Bazooka Joe.
03:39What is happening?
03:40That's two dumb teams.
03:41Two teams don't get it.
03:43Two teams, clearly, that he's played for do not get it.
03:46By the way, real quick.
03:48To start somewhere.
03:48Clearing a runway for someone?
03:50Speaking of that, did you hear about Will Levis?
03:52Like, Will Levis got released.
03:54Really?
03:54Yeah, he got released.
03:56And, like, when he was first drafted, that guy was supposed to be a franchise quarterback.
04:01Bring it back to Joe Milton because Ken's favorite player is Joe Milton.
04:05Sign him.
04:06I would grab him now.
04:07Cut Baron Morton.
04:08Get my man Joe back.
04:09Come on.
04:10Dude.
04:10If he goes to Cleveland.
04:11You need to call him.
04:12Oh, yeah.
04:12Cleveland's quarterback.
04:14Vikings.
04:14The Vikings.
04:15Well, I think they believe in Kyler.
04:16But, yeah, below him, there's not a whole lot there.
04:19What was the team you mentioned?
04:20Cleveland.
04:21Cleveland?
04:22They got a quarterback that's making a lot of money they're going with.
04:26But, yeah, wow.
04:27I'm sorry, Ken.
04:28That's tough, buddy.
04:29That is tough.
04:30Well, at least he was blocked there by Dak, so I'm fine with it.
04:32He'll land somewhere good.
04:34So, what position is going to kill the Patriots?
04:37I still really worry about their linebacker depth.
04:40Like, what is behind Christian Ellis and Robert Spillane?
04:43If one of those guys go down, you're in a lot of trouble.
04:45I think tight end's another one, but because you're putting a lot of pressure on Eli Raritan,
04:48obviously a rookie tight end, who showed flashes both as a blocker and a pass catcher in the preseason.
04:53But it's a lot different once you, you know, start playing teams once.
04:57The Patriots didn't see any starters in the preseason.
04:59For all the talk about the Patriots not playing their starters, they didn't see any either.
05:03So, what difference would it really have made?
05:05So, cornerbacks, another one, obviously, you feel really good about the duo or the trio
05:09if you had Marcus Jones in there as well with Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis.
05:13But what's behind them?
05:14I mean, a lot of those guys that we saw on Thursday when Dylan Gabriel completed 12 of his first
05:2015 passes
05:21and five straight drives.
05:22Craig Woods was out there, yeah.
05:23Craig Woods.
05:24Yeah, he had, like, these guys that, Kendall Vildor, like, I know he didn't make the team.
05:27That was a little bit of a surprising cut.
05:29But, you know, those guys that were out there, like Charles Woods,
05:32like, those guys are going to be second in line here.
05:34So, you know, you do highlight that.
05:35They did keep and retain.
05:39I bet you it's a record.
05:41Three undrafted rookie free agents.
05:43Like, we talk about maybe they're going to keep one.
05:46They kept three of them.
05:48Tanner Arkin, Khalil Jacobs, Channing Canada.
05:51Bang.
05:52They did pick up a tight end today on waivers, so I wonder what that means for Tanner Arkin.
05:56But he fits the mold of, like, a backup for Reggie Gilliam,
05:59who they've been managing throughout the offseason here.
06:02Partially that because of his age.
06:03But they also clearly are going to put some mileage on that body this year for him.
06:07And, you know, they're trying to keep him fresh.
06:08But Tanner Arkin can kind of be that guy where he's not really going to be as much of a
06:12tight end
06:12as he is a fullback.
06:13Question for all three of you guys.
06:15Real quick, Rich.
06:16Sure.
06:17Bigger question mark.
06:18O-line or pass rush?
06:19Because I have no idea what either of those units are going to look like when the season opens.
06:23Pass rush.
06:24I don't think it's close.
06:25Yeah, I think it's pass rush.
06:26Really?
06:26And I don't even think it's close.
06:28Well, O-line was, last we saw him was a mess.
06:30Will Campbell was a disaster.
06:31And I've not seen Vera Tucker on the field yet.
06:34I think Will Campbell is going to benefit greatly from playing next to Elijah Vera Tucker.
06:38Like, last year when you're playing next to Jared Wilson,
06:40those are two rookies on the left side of the line.
06:42Like, those guys are trying to figure it out.
06:44When you're playing next to an established veteran,
06:46a guy who went healthy as one of the best guards in football,
06:48and Elijah Vera Tucker, I think he's really going to benefit from that.
06:51And Jared Wilson, he's in a similar boat moving back to his natural position at center.
06:55I really don't worry about the top line.
06:57I know we've talked about this really throughout the summer,
06:59especially with the joint practices.
07:00When those guys struggle, when the line struggles in those practices and those sessions,
07:04it's obvious.
07:05And those guys become a story.
07:07And they weren't.
07:08And that includes two practices against one of the best defensive fronts in football,
07:13the Eagles.
07:13So I feel better about the line.
07:15And the pass rush is just, man, there's not a whole lot there.
